Is the Wii irrelevant to SW?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"][QUOTE="mushroom_kid"]

The Wii is irrelelvant, because it has already won and the only thing left to fight for is 2nd place.

PC gamer here btw, dont own any consoles

Eddie-Vedder

What has the Wii won? They sell more copies of Windows than Wii's so why aren't Hermits bragging about that? Because they know that it would be like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a Cessna. They might both have a few vague similarities, but making any useful comparisons is pretty much impossible.

Give it up already. The Wii IS a console and the Wii is winning hands down. Stop trying to exclude it just because you want your PS3 to move into 2nd place.

And only a cow would try and dismiss a console's sales just because his console of choice isn't winning. Games have and always will be subjective, sales aren't however. Whine and cry all you like, the fact still remains that the Wii is winning/won this console war. Nothing you say or do can change that.

I suppose you could ignore why the Wii is winning and focus on the equally inept blunders of Sony and Microsoft..mdisen2

and focus on the equally inept blunders of Sony and Microsoft.. mdisen2

Can't say I really see your point here....

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

Honestly, I don't understand why people bring up sales here. Shouldn't system wars be about the system themselves and not how many buy them? It's like forming arguments based on the bandwagon mentality.

When it comes down to it, yes, Wii has better sales. This is because it appeals to a much wider audience. Do you really think your mother is going to pick up a 360 so she can play Gears of War 2? No, of course not. But she might pick up a Wii because she can play fun little games with Wii sports or games like that.

When your console appeals to people who aren't even gamers, of course you're going to sell well. But in any legitimate gaming argument, Wii owners know that their games don't even compare. And that's why Wii doesn't seem relevant here.

LittleHands134

Wouldn't that be more subjective than fact? Isn't it just an opinion when it comes to which games are better? We're not talking graphics here but the actual games.

The fact remains when the PS2 doninated last gen all you heard about were sales. Now that it's in 3rd, looking to stay that way, it's all about games????? When it comes to which console is winning,won or going to win it all comes down to sales. That's how it's always been, can't change that now just because the PS3/360 isn't winning.

Of course you heard about sales back then, it makes sense to compare two consoles on sales when they're very similar. Even though I would prefer to compare systems by their quality, sales in that way is perfectly fine. What you can't do though, is compare sales of a console that targets a completely different audience to consoles that target a more traditional hardcore audience. You still see PS3 and 360 being compared by sales and no one complains about this because it makes sense, but you can't toss Wii in here when the majority of the people who purchased Wii don't have an interest in non-casual consoles.

Have you wondered why almost every single Wii commercial shows a family playing casuals games together? Real gamers are not their main concern any more, they're secondary to the new audience.

So because YOU don't like or think the Wii games are any good, you automatically exclude it from the console race? The Wii targets gamers just the same as the 360/PS3. The difference is they also target non gamers. You don't like or agree with it that's fine but the fact still remains it's just as relevant as any of the other consoles, especially when it comes to system wars.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

Honestly, I don't understand why people bring up sales here. Shouldn't system wars be about the system themselves and not how many buy them? It's like forming arguments based on the bandwagon mentality.

When it comes down to it, yes, Wii has better sales. This is because it appeals to a much wider audience. Do you really think your mother is going to pick up a 360 so she can play Gears of War 2? No, of course not. But she might pick up a Wii because she can play fun little games with Wii sports or games like that.

When your console appeals to people who aren't even gamers, of course you're going to sell well. But in any legitimate gaming argument, Wii owners know that their games don't even compare. And that's why Wii doesn't seem relevant here.

Eddie-Vedder

Wouldn't that be more subjective than fact? Isn't it just an opinion when it comes to which games are better? We're not talking graphics here but the actual games.

The fact remains when the PS2 doninated last gen all you heard about were sales. Now that it's in 3rd, looking to stay that way, it's all about games????? When it comes to which console is winning,won or going to win it all comes down to sales. That's how it's always been, can't change that now just because the PS3/360 isn't winning.

C.l.u.e.l.e.s.s. The PS2 had one of if not the greatest library of games of any single console ever. Learn to contextualize.

Not questioning it's library but when we talk about who won last gen, we're talking about sales. Every cow and his momma bring up the 120+ million PS2's sold and still being sold.

Maybe the clueless one here is YOU. I'm not the one trying to disregard 1 of the 3 consoles to suit my needs. I own all three including a gaming PC so who wins the war doesn't effect me.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

Honestly, I don't understand why people bring up sales here. Shouldn't system wars be about the system themselves and not how many buy them? It's like forming arguments based on the bandwagon mentality.

When it comes down to it, yes, Wii has better sales. This is because it appeals to a much wider audience. Do you really think your mother is going to pick up a 360 so she can play Gears of War 2? No, of course not. But she might pick up a Wii because she can play fun little games with Wii sports or games like that.

When your console appeals to people who aren't even gamers, of course you're going to sell well. But in any legitimate gaming argument, Wii owners know that their games don't even compare. And that's why Wii doesn't seem relevant here.

kingtito

Wouldn't that be more subjective than fact? Isn't it just an opinion when it comes to which games are better? We're not talking graphics here but the actual games.

The fact remains when the PS2 doninated last gen all you heard about were sales. Now that it's in 3rd, looking to stay that way, it's all about games????? When it comes to which console is winning,won or going to win it all comes down to sales. That's how it's always been, can't change that now just because the PS3/360 isn't winning.

Of course you heard about sales back then, it makes sense to compare two consoles on sales when they're very similar. Even though I would prefer to compare systems by their quality, sales in that way is perfectly fine. What you can't do though, is compare sales of a console that targets a completely different audience to consoles that target a more traditional hardcore audience. You still see PS3 and 360 being compared by sales and no one complains about this because it makes sense, but you can't toss Wii in here when the majority of the people who purchased Wii don't have an interest in non-casual consoles.

Have you wondered why almost every single Wii commercial shows a family playing casuals games together? Real gamers are not their main concern any more, they're secondary to the new audience.

So because YOU don't like or think the Wii games are any good, you automatically exclude it from the console race? The Wii targets gamers just the same as the 360/PS3. The difference is they also target non gamers. You don't like or agree with it that's fine but the fact still remains it's just as relevant as any of the other consoles, especially when it comes to system wars.

I never said it has anything to do with my how I see Wii. It's basic sales, you don't compare things that target different audiences and expect a serious answer.

It's like I made a game and a friend of mine made a game. I made my game to be interesting for younger audiences and non-gamers, he made his game for hardcore audiences.

I can't go up to him and say, "Haha, Dave. Looks like my game that was bought by completely different types of people sold many more copies than yours. It's fair to say my game was far superior."

It doesn't work like that, fair sales comparisons always have to show that the products targeted the same audiences or it's irrelevant. I'd bet you that if you took out each Wii purchase done by non-gaming people, and just looked at the actual Wii gamers, the sales would be far lower than the PS3 or 360.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"][QUOTE="mushroom_kid"]

Eddie-Vedder

And only a cow would try and dismiss a console's sales just because his console of choice isn't winning. Games have and always will be subjective, sales aren't however. Whine and cry all you like, the fact still remains that the Wii is winning/won this console war. Nothing you say or do can change that.

First off I'm more of a hermit then I am a cow, and we've all agreed that the Wii won/is going to win saleswise, were talking about games and the wii isn't even worth mentioning. Sheep always enter these threads with the same mindset, "I NEED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THE WII SELLS LIKE HOTCAKES!" You guys use that excuse for everything it really is pathetic.

Once again you're talking about something that's completely subjective. Which games are better are nothing more than someone's OPINION and in no way, shape or form FACT. Can you understand the difference between fact and opinion?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Irrelevant? No. But you wouldn't be too wrong in saying the real war is between the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least, that's how I see it.

surrealnumber5

it must make fanboys sick to know the "real" consoles were born to be runner-ups fighting it out for 3,4th place between the home systems and 5th, 6th place this gen

I think your logic is a bit flawed. The only people who consider the Wii to be in the same race as the 360/PS3 are Wii fanboys.

For example, my perception of the Wii is that its a handheld game system that's tethered to an external display & A/C power supply.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

I never said it has anything to do with my how I see Wii. It's basic sales, you don't compare things that target different audiences and expect a serious answer.

It's like I made a game and a friend of mine made a game. I made my game to be interesting for younger audiences and non-gamers, he made his game for hardcore audiences.

I can't go up to him and say, "Haha, Dave. Looks like my game that was bought by completely different types of people sold many more copies than yours. It's fair to say my game was far superior."

It doesn't work like that, fair sales comparisons always have to show that the products targeted the same audiences or it's irrelevant. I'd bet you that if you took out each Wii purchase done by non-gaming people, and just looked at the actual Wii gamers, the sales would be far lower than the PS3 or 360.

LittleHands134

The Wii IS targeting the same audience....GAMERS. Just because it ALSO targets casuals doesn't mean you can dismiss it. What do you think games like LBP, Guitar Hero, Rock Band ...ect target? They're not targeting the hard core. Last time I checked people of all ages enjoy those games. Wouldn't that put then in the same catagory as the Wii now that it's also targeting casuals?

The point is you can't decide a winner in the console race based soley off games.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Irrelevant? No. But you wouldn't be too wrong in saying the real war is between the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least, that's how I see it.

WillieBeamish

it must make fanboys sick to know the "real" consoles were born to be runner-ups fighting it out for 3,4th place between the home systems and 5th, 6th place this gen

I think your logic is a bit flawed. The only people who consider the Wii to be in the same race as the 360/PS3 are Wii fanboys.

For example, my perception of the Wii is that its a handheld game system that's tethered to an external display & A/C power supply.

Really??? I'm not a Wii fanboy and I consider it to be part of the console race.

*NEWS FLASH* Your opinion is NOT a fact.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

I never said it has anything to do with my how I see Wii. It's basic sales, you don't compare things that target different audiences and expect a serious answer.

It's like I made a game and a friend of mine made a game. I made my game to be interesting for younger audiences and non-gamers, he made his game for hardcore audiences.

I can't go up to him and say, "Haha, Dave. Looks like my game that was bought by completely different types of people sold many more copies than yours. It's fair to say my game was far superior."

It doesn't work like that, fair sales comparisons always have to show that the products targeted the same audiences or it's irrelevant. I'd bet you that if you took out each Wii purchase done by non-gaming people, and just looked at the actual Wii gamers, the sales would be far lower than the PS3 or 360.

kingtito

The Wii IS targeting the same audience....GAMERS. Just because it ALSO targets casuals doesn't mean you can dismiss it. What do you think games like LBP, Guitar Hero, Rock Band ...ect target? They're not targeting the hard core. Last time I checked people of all ages enjoy those games. Wouldn't that put then in the same catagory as the Wii now that it's also targeting casuals?

The point is you can't decide a winner in the console race based soley off games.

Do you really think Wii is targeting gamers as their main audience? They just aren't. You get two casual games for every one rehashed Gamecube game they toss together. The difference is that LBP, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band are the minority. That's three games right there compared to the vast majority of Wii games.

PS3 and 360 are gamer consoles with casuals as an afterthought.

Wii is a casual console with gamers as an afterthought.

That's really what it comes down to.

i have both a ps3 and a wii and i havent touched my wii in months because of my ps3 mario got old, cant get into zelda tp and ssbb sucked now ps3 i play everyday

this topic is still alive?

seriously, get over it. Wii is a gaming console (a SYSTEM)..this is SYSTEM Wars..not PCPS360 Wars.:roll:

this topic is still alive?

seriously, get over it. Wii is a gaming console (a SYSTEM)..this is SYSTEM Wars..not PCPS360 Wars.:roll:

killerfist

the fact of the matter is the Wii is not a next gen gaming platform...so lets categorize it as last gen with Ps2 and xbox. No more wasted keystrokes for the Wii convo 4 me.

All this talk about excluding the Wii because of the "target audience" is just silly. The audience a company targets is just as valid a decision and focusing on HD, including a BR player, etc... Nintendo made a vastly different choice than the other companies and is being rewarded by getting a larger audience and marketshare. Sounds like a good decision.

It's not just the casuals that are being attracted to the Wii. I think you'll find a lot of older gamers like myself much more interested in some of the Wii's gems like Z&W, Endless Ocean, Nights, Elebits, de Blob as well as the old Nintendo standards. I'm sorry, I look at the other systems and truely couldn't care less about 90% of their generic looking action, racing, sports, fps games. I know I don't represent the norm on this site, but I'm sure there and a few people like me out there that without the Wii offering something different would have left console gaming this gem.

As for game scores, you're right. Taken as a whole the PS3 and 360 have higher rated libraries. This being said, a lot of people convienantly forget that the Wii more than stacks up to the other two in terms of exclusives. Personally, since I've always owned more than one system, I think quality exclusives serve a console much better than multiplats.

I also agree with the post that brought up the fact that the rules have changed since last gen. All I heard was PS2 120+ mil, XB 24 mil, GC 22 mil. It may be true that the PS2 also had the best library, but no one went around saying "PS2 147 AAA, XB 85 AAA, GC 58 AAA"

Look at all the Wii hate/ love threads that are generated all over the internets

the Wii is relevent and you know it

lol? Business Wars? Wrong forum dude. I've tried to argue this objectivily and politely but Wii fanboys always come in with their business, and they need money and bla bla bla I don't give a ****. Nintendo can win the sales war, that doesn't mean gamers should bow down and praise them, we go where the games are period.Eddie-Vedder

wow, i thought i had offered a fairly compelling argument. sorry, but really, if you think that MS, or Sony, or Ninty care about anything else than your money, you're kidding yourself.

and i enjoy how you completely disregarded the first half of my post which refutes the argument that the Wii has no games. they may not be games you like, but nevertheless, they are there, and many of them scored quite well.

Yes, I am well aware that this is System wars, not PS3 vs 360 wars or PC vs Console wars. That still doesn't make it easy to compare a scooter to a pair of sports cars.

For me, the Wii isn't a game console, its a toy. Even Nintendo clearly states that its a toy company, not a videogame company. Yes, we are all aware that the Wii sells. But so do watermellons, and I don't see people comparing succulent mellons to game consoles either.

I like my Wii. I think its got some great diversions on it like Wii Sports, which I will dust off on occasion. I plan on getting Wii fit for my wife because she likes to do Yoga, and it would help legitimize getting a Wii since the "games" surely don't do that.

It just seems pointless to include the Wii in System Wars. If we do, that just opens the floodgates for other pointless things to compare to game consoles, like alarm clocks and digital wrist watches.

Comments?

WillieBeamish

If you can buy it at toys'r'us it is a toy. And last time I checked all three are there.

people seem to forget why the PS2 had the best games last gen

it was dated, the development was ass and it had a horrible controller

but it sold gangbusters...

same is happening to the Wii.. and the process will only get faster.. mark my words

for thirdparties the wii is the best opportunity to make big bucks

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="WillieBeamish"][QUOTE="mushroom_kid"]

The Wii is irrelelvant, because it has already won and the only thing left to fight for is 2nd place.

PC gamer here btw, dont own any consoles

Eddie-Vedder

What has the Wii won? They sell more copies of Windows than Wii's so why aren't Hermits bragging about that? Because they know that it would be like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a Cessna. They might both have a few vague similarities, but making any useful comparisons is pretty much impossible.

Give it up already. The Wii IS a console and the Wii is winning hands down. Stop trying to exclude it just because you want your PS3 to move into 2nd place.

what, in his statement, suggests that he is a wii fanboy?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I agree with the TC and I can't STAND people that say"Wii is number 1, the other fight is for second place" WHAT? Screw sales, system wars is about GAMES, the wii doesn't count and if it does it's so far behind the other platforms it's not even worth discussing, seriously people stop talking about sales, they mean nothing to us, if the Wii gets more games cause of it then maybe it'll be worth talking about, sales alone don't win a games race.Tylendal

Why not, they do every single other gen. Besides, games are a matter of opinion. I have yet to see any game on the PS3 or 360 that I'd rather have than Endless Ocean, which is exclusive to the Wii.

yep, i see countless cow and lemming threads talking about "teh sales."

funny how people are so short sighted

the console with most of the sales get the best support in the future

in 2009, 2010 and 2011 we will se a huge shift from 360, PS3 development to Wii development

especially in japan

you cant fool yourself by saying.. sales dont matter.. because they do

I think your logic is a bit flawed. The only people who consider the Wii to be in the same race as the 360/PS3 are Wii fanboys.

WillieBeamish

umm. no. i own and play all three. i think it is you that doesn't realize that all three consoles, and PC, are systems. this is system wars. end thread.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

this topic is still alive?

seriously, get over it. Wii is a gaming console (a SYSTEM)..this is SYSTEM Wars..not PCPS360 Wars.:roll:

Myzz617

the fact of the matter is the Wii is not a next gen gaming platform...so lets categorize it as last gen with Ps2 and xbox. No more wasted keystrokes for the Wii convo 4 me.

That's about as dumb a statement I've read all morning.

The Wii is a current gen system just like the 360/PS3. The ONLY next gen systems will be PS4/720/Wii2.

[QUOTE="Myzz617"][QUOTE="killerfist"]

this topic is still alive?

seriously, get over it. Wii is a gaming console (a SYSTEM)..this is SYSTEM Wars..not PCPS360 Wars.:roll:

kingtito

the fact of the matter is the Wii is not a next gen gaming platform...so lets categorize it as last gen with Ps2 and xbox. No more wasted keystrokes for the Wii convo 4 me.

That's about as dumb a statement I've read all morning.

The Wii is a current gen system just like the 360/PS3. The ONLY next gen systems will be PS4/720/Wii2.

and every lame has their own opinion. What makes the WII apart of this current Gen???

PS3 and 360 are losing development money and development resources to the wii and will continue to do so.. the trend will only increase as the dominance of the system will come clearer and clearer

do you really think that the people at EA, Activision, UBI, Sega, Square Enix and Namco Bandai will look at holiday 2008 and be happy...

they have two dwindling next gen systems which they invested heavily in and now they have games like Endwar, PoP, Mirrors Edge, Dead Space, Madden, Sonic Unleashed, Fallout 3, Guitar Hero WT, Rockband 3 etc. etc. all competing for an audience of about 30 million people.. While there is an fastly expanding audience of another 30 million people that get ANimal Crossing and Wii Music...

I mean lets say Sonic Unleashed, Mirrors Edge and PoP will not catch the attention of the hardcore people as much just because they have to go against resistance 2, gears 2 and Fable 2.. Lets say they could have sold double of the money with half of the development cost in Q4 2008 if they had put it on wii..

do you seriously think that those companies will keep developing for 360 and PS3 exclusively..?

funny how people are so short sighted

the console with most of the sales get the best support in the future

in 2009, 2010 and 2011 we will se a huge shift from 360, PS3 development to Wii development

especially in japan

you cant fool yourself by saying.. sales dont matter.. because they do

farnham

We are almost 3 years into this gen, 2 of which the Wii was released, Devs are still announcing games for the 360/PS3/PC and will probably continue to do so when they can make far more money making a game for 3 different platforms instead of one.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

I never said it has anything to do with my how I see Wii. It's basic sales, you don't compare things that target different audiences and expect a serious answer.

It's like I made a game and a friend of mine made a game. I made my game to be interesting for younger audiences and non-gamers, he made his game for hardcore audiences.

I can't go up to him and say, "Haha, Dave. Looks like my game that was bought by completely different types of people sold many more copies than yours. It's fair to say my game was far superior."

It doesn't work like that, fair sales comparisons always have to show that the products targeted the same audiences or it's irrelevant. I'd bet you that if you took out each Wii purchase done by non-gaming people, and just looked at the actual Wii gamers, the sales would be far lower than the PS3 or 360.

LittleHands134

The Wii IS targeting the same audience....GAMERS. Just because it ALSO targets casuals doesn't mean you can dismiss it. What do you think games like LBP, Guitar Hero, Rock Band ...ect target? They're not targeting the hard core. Last time I checked people of all ages enjoy those games. Wouldn't that put then in the same catagory as the Wii now that it's also targeting casuals?

The point is you can't decide a winner in the console race based soley off games.

Do you really think Wii is targeting gamers as their main audience? They just aren't. You get two casual games for every one rehashed Gamecube game they toss together. The difference is that LBP, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band are the minority. That's three games right there compared to the vast majority of Wii games.

PS3 and 360 are gamer consoles with casuals as an afterthought.

Wii is a casual console with gamers as an afterthought.

That's really what it comes down to.

The Wii IS targeting gamers, just not the hardcore. Just because it doesn't target what YOU think are gamers doesn't mean it's not a fact. I'm a gamer and most of the games I've played on my Wii I thought were a lot of fun. I can't say the same for my PS3/360.

The 360/PS3 have put out a lot of games that are trying to appeal to the casual. They just haven't been as successful as the Wii.

What it really comes down to are games. Last time I checked the Wii plays games and is being marketed as a gaming console. I can't say the same for the PS3/movie player.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

funny how people are so short sighted

the console with most of the sales get the best support in the future

in 2009, 2010 and 2011 we will se a huge shift from 360, PS3 development to Wii development

especially in japan

you cant fool yourself by saying.. sales dont matter.. because they do

opex07

We are almost 3 years into this gen, 2 of which the Wii was released, Devs are still announcing games for the 360/PS3/PC and will probably continue to do so when they can make far more money making a game for 3 different platforms instead of one.

So what.. remember the first two years of the PS2..? 2000 and 2001.. those were aweful

The PS2 had its best years in 2005 and 2006... 2006 was the launchyear of the 360 remember..?

that aside.. if you consider the DC last gen was almost 8 years long... even longer if you consider the fact that the PS2 is still worth buying with games like Persona 4 still comming out..

I mean lets say Sonic Unleashed, Mirrors Edge and PoP will not catch the attention of the hardcore people as much just because they have to go against resistance 2, gears 2 and Fable 2.. Lets say they could have sold double of the money with half of the development cost in Q4 2008 if they had put it on wii..

farnham

So what.. remember the first two years of the PS2..? 2000 and 2001.. those were aweful

The PS2 had its best years in 2005 and 2006... 2006 was the launchyear of the 360 remember..?

that aside.. if you consider the DC last gen was almost 8 years long... even longer if you consider the fact that the PS2 is still worth buying with games like Persona 4 still comming out..

farnham

the PS2 had such games as Tekken, SSX, midnight club, Timesplitters, Metal gear solid 2, Grand theft auto, grand turismo, devil may cry, final fantasy x, jack and dexter, Ico, twisted metal, ace combat, silent hill, etc.. in its first two years all of which are considered to be or be apart of some the greatest series ever in their genres. The PS2 was far from awful.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

I mean lets say Sonic Unleashed, Mirrors Edge and PoP will not catch the attention of the hardcore people as much just because they have to go against resistance 2, gears 2 and Fable 2.. Lets say they could have sold double of the money with half of the development cost in Q4 2008 if they had put it on wii..

Teufelhuhn

i was making a random suggestion

the title in specific was not that important

lets say golden axe beast rider then.. lets assume it flops.. the devs spend a lot of money and time creating this and they will lament for not have chosen the wii since there is less competition on that platform

Is this some kind of listwars

The Wii had Excite Truck, Zelda TP, RE 4 Wii Edition, RE UC, Zack and Wiki, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Tales of Symphonia 2, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Endless ocean, Trauma Center and many other great games.. The Wii aint awful at all..

What im saying is that the PS2 had a much diverse high quality lineup in the later years.. 2004, 2005, 2006 were the best years for PS2 no doubt..

And you are listing games from 2002 btw

Same with the DS

2005 and 2006 were nothing compared to the stuff that was released on the DS in 2007 and 2008...

[QUOTE="mdisen2"]I suppose you could ignore why the Wii is winning and focus on the equally inept blunders of Sony and Microsoft..LittleHands134

and focus on the equally inept blunders of Sony and Microsoft.. mdisen2

Can't say I really see your point here....

How is that a blunder? Do you know what the word means?

this topic is still alive?

seriously, get over it. Wii is a gaming console (a SYSTEM)..this is SYSTEM Wars..not PCPS360 Wars.:roll:

killerfist

At least someone hear is being sensible.

i was making a random suggestion

the title in specific was not that important

lets say golden axe beast rider then.. lets assume it flops.. the devs spend a lot of money and time creating this and they will lament for not have chosen the wii since there is less competition on that platform

farnham

For me, the Wii isn't a game console, its a toy.

WillieBeamish

Every single console that has evern been produced is, by definition, a toy. I know this fact makes you feel like less of a man, but you are going to have to learn to deal with it sooner or later, sport.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

i was making a random suggestion

the title in specific was not that important

lets say golden axe beast rider then.. lets assume it flops.. the devs spend a lot of money and time creating this and they will lament for not have chosen the wii since there is less competition on that platform

Teufelhuhn

Whats wrong with Wii fit I mean.. are there any laws that prohibit gamers from loosing some weight..?

I dont think third party devs ever were sad that Madden got such great sales on the PS2..

And its not like Zelda T, RE4 and Mario Galaxy bombed on the Wii..

And I would think that Golden Axe would have done much better on the Wii.. they wouldnt have pushed the tech that they did not have and would have focused on gameplay.. That aside.. An exclusive will always gather a lot of attention..

Look at the Conduit.. it looks like **** compared to most of the 360 and PS3 shooters.. yet it is exclusive to the Wii and thats why it is in the spotlight.. and it will probably generate more money there.

So you want to spin things are try to pretend that the Wii isn't irrelevant to SW?

• It sells the most Hardware
• Its sells the most Software
• According to GS (This is SW which you are on) it has better exclusives overall then the PS3
• It has a GOTY

Yet its not relevant....?

You say its not releveant but....

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Because the fact of the matter is this, it is relevant. You look on the forums and there is a Wii board, you look at the tabs on GS there is a Wii tab. You look for reviews there are Wii games there.

I mean get serious first people want to get rid of the PC out of SW and now the same with Wii? This is like being a sore sport after losing a competition. Problem is none of you guys are competiting for anything here so why is it such a big deal?

Nintendo Wii is a game system, it has games, it has new games made for it, its a console, it is successful. It is relevant to SW to say otherwise would be in FACT telling yourself FALSE.

I'll just never understand. Oh Kurt :evil:

Is this some kind of listwars

The Wii had Excite Truck, Zelda TP, RE 4 Wii Edition, RE UC, Zack and Wiki, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Tales of Symphonia 2, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Endless ocean, Trauma Center and many other great games.. The Wii aint awful at all..

What im saying is that the PS2 had a much diverse high quality lineup in the later years.. 2004, 2005, 2006 were the best years for PS2 no doubt..

And you are listing games from 2002 btw

farnham

All of the games I listed came out between 2000 and 2001.

your list is made up of 2 last gen ports, 4 games that scored below 7.0, 1 unreleased game and a few worthwhile games, it doesn't even come anywere close to the games available for the PS2.

So you want to spin things are try to pretend that the Wii isn't irrelevant to SW?

• It sells the most Hardware
• Its sells the most Software
• According to GS (This is SW which you are on) it has better exclusives overall then the PS3
• It has a GOTY

Yet its not relevant....?

You say its not releveant but....

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Because the fact of the matter is this, it is relevant. You look on the forums and there is a Wii board, you look at the tabs on GS there is a Wii tab. You look for reviews there are Wii games there.

I mean get serious first people want to get rid of the PC out of SW and now the same with Wii? This is like being a sore sport after losing a competition. Problem is none of you guys are competiting for anything here so why is it such a big deal?

Nintendo Wii is a game system, it has games, it has new games made for it, its a console, it is successful. It is relevant to SW to say otherwise would be in FACT telling yourself FALSE.

I'll just never understand. Oh Kurt :evil:

Blackbond

Thank you Blackbond. Oh, and nice GIFs.