Is the Wii irrelevant to SW?

[QUOTE="farnham"]

Is this some kind of listwars

The Wii had Excite Truck, Zelda TP, RE 4 Wii Edition, RE UC, Zack and Wiki, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Tales of Symphonia 2, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Endless ocean, Trauma Center and many other great games.. The Wii aint awful at all..

What im saying is that the PS2 had a much diverse high quality lineup in the later years.. 2004, 2005, 2006 were the best years for PS2 no doubt..

And you are listing games from 2002 btw

opex07

All of the games I listed came out between 2000 and 2001.

your list is made up of 2 last gen ports, 4 games that scored below 7.0 and a few worthwhile games, it doesn't even come anywere close to the games available for the PS2.

uh your so called score system is not a scale that measures anything objectively

back when the PS2 was released pretty much every enthusiast press loved it and were hyped to death... similar to the 360 launch

look at examples like the perfect 10 for tony hawk 3.. i like the game but its far from perfect.. or the 9.0 and 8.8 for kameo... far from it..

the wii however was hated by pretty much every enthusiast press.. they did not even play the games...

So yeah.. your argument seems lame to me..the fact is that those games all sold well (especially wii sports is still being played and talked about.. cant say that about DMC.. even if it is a better game by hardcore standards)

Zelda TP is hardly a last gen port as it was released earlier then the GC version.. RE4 Wii edition is actually a completely different game from the original since the controlls changed dramatically (i have both and i consider them as completely different experiences)

And you seem to forget the point..

I was saying the wii will get better support in the future.. you said that does not matter because we are already 2 years in its lifecycle

Whats wrong with Wii fit I mean.. are there any laws that prohibit gamers from loosing some weight..?

farnham

I dont think third party devs ever were sad that Madden got such great sales on the PS2..

farnham

And its not like Zelda T, RE4 and Mario Galaxy bombed on the Wii..
farnham

And I would think that Golden Axe would have done much better on the Wii.. they wouldnt have pushed the tech that they did not have and would have focused on gameplay.. That aside.. An exclusive will always gather a lot of attention..
farnham

Look at the Conduit.. it looks like **** compared to most of the 360 and PS3 shooters.. yet it is exclusive to the Wii and thats why it is in the spotlight.. and it will probably generate more money there.

farnham

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

So you want to spin things are try to pretend that the Wii isn't irrelevant to SW?

• It sells the most Hardware
• Its sells the most Software
• According to GS (This is SW which you are on) it has better exclusives overall then the PS3
• It has a GOTY

Yet its not relevant....?

You say its not releveant but....

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Because the fact of the matter is this, it is relevant. You look on the forums and there is a Wii board, you look at the tabs on GS there is a Wii tab. You look for reviews there are Wii games there.

I mean get serious first people want to get rid of the PC out of SW and now the same with Wii? This is like being a sore sport after losing a competition. Problem is none of you guys are competiting for anything here so why is it such a big deal?

Nintendo Wii is a game system, it has games, it has new games made for it, its a console, it is successful. It is relevant to SW to say otherwise would be in FACT telling yourself FALSE.

I'll just never understand. Oh Kurt :evil:

TAKE_IT_BACK

Thank you Blackbond. Oh, and nice GIFs.

Excellent post

Zelda TP is hardly a last gen port as it was released earlier then the GC version

farnham

uh your so called score system is not a scale that measures anything objectively

back when the PS2 was released pretty much every enthusiast press loved it and were hyped to death... similar to the 360 launch

look at examples like the perfect 10 for tony hawk 3.. i like the game but its far from perfect.. or the 9.0 and 8.8 for kameo... far from it..

the wii however was hated by pretty much every enthusiast press.. they did not even play the games...

So yeah.. your argument seems lame to me..the fact is that those games all sold well (especially wii sports is still being played and talked about.. cant say that about DMC.. even if it is a better game by hardcore standards)

Zelda TP is hardly a last gen port as it was released earlier then the GC version.. RE4 Wii edition is actually a completely different game from the original since the controlls changed dramatically (i have both and i consider them as completely different experiences)

And you seem to forget the point..

I was saying the wii will get better support in the future.. you said that does not matter because we are already 2 years in its lifecycle

farnham

I'm sure my argument seems "lame" to you since it does not support your claims, but my argument holds much more weight when compared to conspiracy theories of reviewers not playing games, or that sales make a game good when incidents like that of 50 cent bulletproof where extremely poor games sale extremely well all the time.

both RE4 and Zelda TP are ports, both were designed for the gamecube, the only thing that was changed is the way you go about doing the same thing available on the gamecube control wise.

I Also did not argue that it doesn't matter if the Wii starts getting good games 2 years into its life, I'm arguing that its unlikely that its support will change during this gen since devs have had a long time to see that the Wii is selling well, but continue to announce games for only the 360/PS3/P, and curent software sales suggest that they would have a much better chance at selling there games on other systems than the Wii, since original quality games have sold poorly when compared to other consoles on the Wii. Only 2 original quality games have sold over a million on the Wii while on the 360 alone 13 have sold a million and more.

I'm sure a Toyota Corolla outsells the Lamborghini. Doesn't mean it's a better car.GinoNYC

the fact of the matter is the Wii is not a next gen gaming platform...

Myzz617

It's as much CURRENT gen as the 360 and Ps3 is

and every lame has their own opinion. What makes the WII apart of this current Gen???

Myzz617

It had it's release in this console generation.

No opinions involved, it's fact.

I also agree with the TC. The Wii simply does not compete for the same consumer that would buy a PS3 or 360. The Wii is in the same casual consumer product catagory much like a Jane Fonda Fitness dvd or Elmo doll.Videodogg

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"]I'm sure a Toyota Corolla outsells the Lamborghini. Doesn't mean it's a better car.NoSpeakyEnglish

oh, snap!

why, he has a good point.

clone01

QFT = Quoted for truth:P

don't use it though, It'll get you moderated. "disruptive posting"

Meh, I don't think the Wii is irrelevant so much as there's been a lack of recent releases for sheep to brag about. The last big title was Mario Kart Wii and that was in april.

don't use it though, It'll get you moderated. "disruptive posting"

killerfist

ahhh, my apologies. i was thinking that meant something else.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

why, he has a good point.

killerfist

QFT = Quoted for truth:P

don't use it though, It'll get you moderated. "disruptive posting"

Yes I just found that out. Talk about OVER moderating.

The PC is irrelevant to SW. The simple fact that PC gamers dont realize is that console gamers all have PCs,, we just dont care about gaming on them. I roll my eyes everytime some PC gamer boasts about the graphics... whatever dude, nobody caressignore

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="clone01"]

why, he has a good point.

kingtito

QFT = Quoted for truth:P

don't use it though, It'll get you moderated. "disruptive posting"

Yes I just found that out. Talk about OVER moderating.

You can still say those, but also post something that adds to the discussion. Its only a problem if you just put "QFT"

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="clone01"]

why, he has a good point.

kingtito

QFT = Quoted for truth:P

don't use it though, It'll get you moderated. "disruptive posting"

Yes I just found that out. Talk about OVER moderating.

Meh, I don't think the Wii is irrelevant so much as there's been a lack of recent releases for sheep to brag about. The last big title was Mario Kart Wii and that was in april.

Lionheart08

This argument can be used for every Console

PS3 = Blue-Ray player and not a console so should not be counted in SW's and also is a Multi-media device and not a Console.

360 = Has very little exclusives which are not ported to PC so should not be counted on SW's and also a multi-media device.

PC = Not a Console so should not be counted on SW's

Wii = Last Gen hardware and no games worth talking about for immature people so should not be counted on SW's and also the only actual console this generation as its only priority is to play games.

One thing which confuses me though is this! The 360/PS3 are Multi-media Devices so should we change the name of SW's to Multi-Media Wars?

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

So you want to spin things are try to pretend that the Wii isn't irrelevant to SW?

• It sells the most Hardware
• Its sells the most Software
• According to GS (This is SW which you are on) it has better exclusives overall then the PS3
• It has a GOTY

Yet its not relevant....?

You say its not releveant but....

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Because the fact of the matter is this, it is relevant. You look on the forums and there is a Wii board, you look at the tabs on GS there is a Wii tab. You look for reviews there are Wii games there.

I mean get serious first people want to get rid of the PC out of SW and now the same with Wii? This is like being a sore sport after losing a competition. Problem is none of you guys are competiting for anything here so why is it such a big deal?

Nintendo Wii is a game system, it has games, it has new games made for it, its a console, it is successful. It is relevant to SW to say otherwise would be in FACT telling yourself FALSE.

I'll just never understand. Oh Kurt :evil:

DaSorcerer77

Thank you Blackbond. Oh, and nice GIFs.

Excellent post

Eh, Wii was in its prime from its release, up until SSBB. From then on it just slowly faded away. Some games almost brought it back, but people would get excited over a loaf of bread if you starve them for long enough. Boom Blox is a fun game but I wouldn't buy it unless it's one of those last resort type of things. That's what the Wii has left now-- last resorts. De Blob is a game I can't wait to play, but if that came out on PS3, I wouldn't exactly be eager to buy it.

All I can hope for is that their Q1 '09 games turn out to be kick-ass.

Like someone already mentioned, it's not about the definition of what a system is. It's about the market each system caters for. I find car comparisons a good analogy. Let's say there are 2 groups of fans, 1 group for Lamborgini, another for Ferarri. They are arguing on which of the two types of cars are better. Well, it's a level playing field because at least both are sports cars. Then there is another group who are Toyota fans who come into the picture claiming Toyota is better than both Ferrari and Lamborgini just because it sells better. The irony is that Toyota sales ARE better, but the bigger question is this - does Toyota provide what sports car fans want? The answer is no. And it's fair for sports car fans to not include Toyota in their argument. It's it's technically incorrect for Toyota fans to claim that Toyota is within league just because it's a car.

For most of you, your argument is like this - Lamborgini is a car, Ferrari is a car, and since Toyota is a car, Toyota must be included in the debate. That is rubbish

Eh, Wii was in its prime from its release, up until SSBB. From then on it just slowly faded away. Some games almost brought it back, but people would get excited over a loaf of bread if you starve them for long enough. Boom Blox is a fun game but I wouldn't buy it unless it's one of those last resort type of things. That's what the Wii has left now-- last resorts. De Blob is a game I can't wait to play, but if that came out on PS3, I wouldn't exactly be eager to buy it.

All I can hope for is that their Q1 '09 games turn out to be kick-ass.

Lyphe2k

On the contrary, it was quiet up until Q3 2007. It was exceptionally strong from Q3 '07 through Q2 '08, and now it is back to where it was pre-Q3 07.

Even Nintendo clearly states that its a toy company, not a videogame company.WillieBeamish

YES, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, THE WII COUNTS. we are not ignoring a console just because it's winning.

Like someone already mentioned, it's not about the definition of what a system is. It's about the market each system caters for. I find car comparisons a good analogy. Let's say there are 2 groups of fans, 1 group for Lamborgini, another for Ferarri. They are arguing on which of the two types of cars are better. Well, it's a level playing field because at least both are sports cars. Then there is another group who are Toyota fans who come into the picture claiming Toyota is better than both Ferrari and Lamborgini just because it sells better. The irony is that Toyota sales ARE better, but the bigger question is this - does Toyota provide what sports car fans want? The answer is no. And it's fair for sports car fans to not include Toyota in their argument. It's it's technically incorrect for Toyota fans to claim that Toyota is within league just because it's a car.

For most of you, your argument is like this - Lamborgini is a car, Ferrari is a car, and since Toyota is a car, Toyota must be included in the debate. That is rubbish

jhcho2

The car analogy is fundamentally flawed because it's based upon an argument which states that power is the most important feature in both cars and console. What really matters is how well in each machine is how well it serves the customer and their desires.

Lamborginis aren't compared to Toyotas simply because they each serve vastly different purposes and they each perform well in different areas. Game consoles however all serve the primary function of entertaining people with games. The Wii excels at this and so it is absolutely in the same league as the PS3 and 360

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Like someone already mentioned, it's not about the definition of what a system is. It's about the market each system caters for. I find car comparisons a good analogy. Let's say there are 2 groups of fans, 1 group for Lamborgini, another for Ferarri. They are arguing on which of the two types of cars are better. Well, it's a level playing field because at least both are sports cars. Then there is another group who are Toyota fans who come into the picture claiming Toyota is better than both Ferrari and Lamborgini just because it sells better. The irony is that Toyota sales ARE better, but the bigger question is this - does Toyota provide what sports car fans want? The answer is no. And it's fair for sports car fans to not include Toyota in their argument. It's it's technically incorrect for Toyota fans to claim that Toyota is within league just because it's a car.

For most of you, your argument is like this - Lamborgini is a car, Ferrari is a car, and since Toyota is a car, Toyota must be included in the debate. That is rubbish

Popadophalis

The car analogy is fundamentally flawed because it's based upon an argument which states that power is the most important feature in both cars and console. What really matters is how well in each machine is how well it serves the customer and their desires.

Lamborginis aren't compared to Toyotas simply because they each serve vastly different purposes and they each perform well in different areas. Game consoles however all serve the primary function of entertaining people with games. The Wii excels at this and so it is absolutely in the same league as the PS3 and 360

but yea the wii is part of this gen and no i wont back that up any more because i dont want to be modded again

The Wii was the exclusive home to last year's GOTY and highest rated game. This more than anything, make it relevant as a console and the world/history of videogames.

Its a game system.

It has games.

Its part of this generation.

I think so.

I'm sure a Toyota Corolla outsells the Lamborghini. Doesn't mean it's a better car.GinoNYC

bad analogy

lamborghinis are aimed towards a niche market.....lamborghini and ferrari are not interested in outselling the tyota corolla whatsoever. they sure as hell don't want to see their cars all over the street.

sony and MS were trying to outsell the competition with the PS3 and 360. the wanted 360s and PS3s to be in every household. they failed.

huge difference between the strategies of lamborghini and Sony/MS.

The car analogy is fundamentally flawed because it's based upon an argument which states that power is the most important feature in both cars and console. What really matters is how well in each machine is how well it serves the customer and their desires.

Lamborginis aren't compared to Toyotas simply because they each serve vastly different purposes and they each perform well in different areas. Game consoles however all serve the primary function of entertaining people with games. The Wii excels at this and so it is absolutely in the same league as the PS3 and 360

Popadophalis

There is where i personally think you are wrong. Everything that we buy no matter for what the primary function is hugely influence by personal preferrence. To say that consoles merely entertain people with complete disregard for hardware, power and graphics is to say that people buy cars merely for transportation purposes and nothing else. It's true that the primary function of a car is to get us from point A to point B, but apart from that, the sexyness of the car, along with the pick up and top speed all play a role in the preferrence of the buyer, and in turn creates a market categorization. Case in point, the market categorization of ps3 and 360 fans are more close in competition compared with Wii fans. It's about the market which the product is catered for, not merely the primary function.

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"]I'm sure a Toyota Corolla outsells the Lamborghini. Doesn't mean it's a better car.JB730

bad analogy

lamborghinis are aimed towards a niche market.....lamborghini and ferrari are not interested in outselling the tyota corolla whatsoever. they sure as hell don't want to see their cars all over the street.

sony and MS were trying to outsell the competition with the PS3 and 360. the wanted 360s and PS3s to be in every household. they failed.

huge difference between the strategies of lamborghini and Sony/MS.

Yes they are, if they could, but they can't because their market is relatively small. Just because they don't need to outsell their competition doesn't mean they don't want to. Every business would want to outsell other businesses if they can.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="GinoNYC"]I'm sure a Toyota Corolla outsells the Lamborghini. Doesn't mean it's a better car.jhcho2

bad analogy

lamborghinis are aimed towards a niche market.....lamborghini and ferrari are not interested in outselling the tyota corolla whatsoever. they sure as hell don't want to see their cars all over the street.

sony and MS were trying to outsell the competition with the PS3 and 360. the wanted 360s and PS3s to be in every household. they failed.

huge difference between the strategies of lamborghini and Sony/MS.

Yes they are, if they could, but they can't because their market is relatively small. Just because they don't need to outsell their competition doesn't mean they don't want to. Every business would want to outsell other businesses if they can.

the point was that laborghini isn't TRYING to outsell the tyota corolla. at a $200,000 price point, they aren't aiming their car towards the average person. lamborghini and ferrari are targeting a small niche market.

sony and MS are targeting the mainstream market.

thats what my point was. the difference between the two approaches is very obvious.

[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]The car analogy is fundamentally flawed because it's based upon an argument which states that power is the most important feature in both cars and console. What really matters is how well in each machine is how well it serves the customer and their desires.

Lamborginis aren't compared to Toyotas simply because they each serve vastly different purposes and they each perform well in different areas. Game consoles however all serve the primary function of entertaining people with games. The Wii excels at this and so it is absolutely in the same league as the PS3 and 360

jhcho2

There is where i personally think you are wrong. Everything that we buy no matter for what the primary function is hugely influence by personal preferrence. To say that consoles merely entertain people with complete disregard for hardware, power and graphics is to say that people buy cars merely for transportation purposes and nothing else. It's true that the primary function of a car is to get us from point A to point B, but apart from that, the sexyness of the car, along with the pick up and top speed all play a role in the preferrence of the buyer, and in turn creates a market categorization. Case in point, the market categorization of ps3 and 360 fans are more close in competition compared with Wii fans. It's about the market which the product is catered for, not merely the primary function.

Everything you've described is all icing on the cake. The primary purpose of a car is the most important thing to a consumer, which is why the majority will purchase a Toyota over a Ferrari due to it's cost efficient versatility.

With consoles however the primary function of a console -playing games- is exactly the across the competition so people base their decision upon the extras which appeal to them the most thus the extras are just different icings on the same cake. The 360 and PS3 share a large number of similar extras such as HD video playback, hardrives, online and HD visuals which is why the competition between them is so close. Wii removed itself from the quest to become a multi-media centre which is why it has become such an unmitigated success but that is no reason to call it irrelevant.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"][QUOTE="Popadophalis"]The car analogy is fundamentally flawed because it's based upon an argument which states that power is the most important feature in both cars and console. What really matters is how well in each machine is how well it serves the customer and their desires.

Lamborginis aren't compared to Toyotas simply because they each serve vastly different purposes and they each perform well in different areas. Game consoles however all serve the primary function of entertaining people with games. The Wii excels at this and so it is absolutely in the same league as the PS3 and 360

Popadophalis

There is where i personally think you are wrong. Everything that we buy no matter for what the primary function is hugely influence by personal preferrence. To say that consoles merely entertain people with complete disregard for hardware, power and graphics is to say that people buy cars merely for transportation purposes and nothing else. It's true that the primary function of a car is to get us from point A to point B, but apart from that, the sexyness of the car, along with the pick up and top speed all play a role in the preferrence of the buyer, and in turn creates a market categorization. Case in point, the market categorization of ps3 and 360 fans are more close in competition compared with Wii fans. It's about the market which the product is catered for, not merely the primary function.

Everything you've described is all icing on the cake. The primary purpose of a car is the most important thing to a consumer, which is why the majority will purchase a Toyota over a Ferrari due to it's cost efficient versatility.

With consoles however the primary function of a console -playing games- is exactly the across the competition so people base their decision upon the extras which appeal to them the most thus the extras are just different icings on the same cake. The 360 and PS3 share a large number of similar extras such as HD video playback, hardrives, online and HD visuals which is why the competition between them is so close. Wii removed itself from the quest to become a multi-media centre which is why it has become such an unmitigated success but that is no reason to call it irrelevant.

And don't you think that the relevance of the Wii in system wars depend pretty much on whether owners of ps3 and 360 think it is relevant? I am an owner of both the ps3 and 360. And personally, I don't care much about the Wii or whether it outsells ps3 and 360 because the Wii doesn't give me what i want. I think this way, and there are many others if not most who think this way. So that means the Wii fans are practically self proclaiming the Wii to be relevent to the console wars despite majority of the people in System Wars not giving a rat's a** about the Wii.

And don't you think that the relevance of the Wii in system wars depend pretty much on whether owners of ps3 and 360 think it is relevant? I am an owner of both the ps3 and 360. And personally, I don't care much about the Wii or whether it outsells ps3 and 360 because the Wii doesn't give me what i want. I think this way, and there are many others if not most who think this way. So that means the Wii fans are practically self proclaiming the Wii to be relevent to the console wars despite majority of the people in System Wars not giving a rat's a** about the Wii.

jhcho2

In reality what a bunch of 360/PS3 owners think doesn't really matter because a) a fair amount of them own a wii as a secondary console :P and b) the wii is a gaming console which waging war on the 360/PS3 so it should naturally have a place in System Wars regardless of its graphics power.

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saintpatrice

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