Is there any real or substantial reason to buy an X1 console?

Not sure what you mean exactly about system maintenance. I am assuming you mean taking care of the OS installed on the Xbox/PC? In that case, you are responsible for both the Xbox and the PC it's functionally the same EULA as far as I am aware.

No, it didn't backfire, we are all aware of day 1 patches on PC and console. I was pointing out that there is no real difference rather than PC being superior. Or rather it's certainly no 5 seconds and your in type situation on consoles.

Yeah, look. If we are going to dig down into it you might find PC to be less convenient during the purchasing stages. You are right, if you are building one, you will need to figure out how to do that and what to buy. If you are buying a pre-built, you still need an idea of what to buy, but nothing beyond looking at minimum requirements of latest games.

I wouldn't exactly call it a master stroke towards console superiority though.

of course it backfired, you're plainly ignoring the facts. A console will never ask you to install third party software. This has nothing to do with patches. The consoles have a closed operating system, the pc doesn't.

You're comparing apples with oranges, consoles have always set themselves apart , the convenience is not such a big perk anymore like it used to be and so is the difference in available games but there's still the major difference between controlller and mouse with it comes to internet play.

This is basically the same as advocating a formule 1 race car to someone that needs a car to transport his family. It may be faster , that person has no use for it and it's less convenient overall.

@recloud: I always wonder this and I can never reach a conclusion or a reason"

Then do not buy one.

I wonder why people buy bottled water. Here in NYC the tap water is great Imo. I see no viable reason to buy it. See, life is completely subjective to our preferences and sometimes needs.

I, personally do not understand why people ask this question. I ponder that it is to listen to themselves and the pop culture agree with their reasoning therefore reinforcing their own decision. As if a person truly needs anyone elses approval for their decisions on entertainment.

But lol some people are weak ass followers that need others approval.

@jereb31: yes, It is 5 seconds, if I don't care about patches, I can put a disc on ps4 and in 5 seconds it's ready to play

5 seconds

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/707208-gran-turismo-6/73168223

Well if by backfiring or ignoring facts you mean, pointing out that PC and Console both have day 1 patches and neither has an advantage in that area, you got me, I shot myself in the foot on that one. But for your clarity it was a response to the comment that console:

"On console, at least on ps4. You turn the PS4 on, it downloads and installs the latest OS, the game is ready to play in under 5s, if it needs. to be updated, it'll download and install the minute you insert the disc."

Clearly an exaggeration on time frames and no different to PC.

You tell me where the advantage lies in this scenario.

Buy a game on Steam, install, play.

Buy a game on console, install, play.

Both devices auto update there OS, drivers and game.

Both devices can use digital downloads.

Well, no a console doesn't ask you to install 3rd party software, but you certainly have the option too. But since when is third party software an issue on anything? Are you trying to say that it's a disadvantage somehow?

I don't think it's quite as simple as apples and oranges, or formula 1 race car to family van or whatever. How about, family van (console) to a range of family vans (PC) that can be everything from cheaper to far more expensive but also far better to far worse.

And that whole controller vs mouse argument angle..... I find it an awkward argument to take seriously. It's sort of like a primary control setup vs only controller setup situation.

PC can obviously use whatever controller you want, some people might use a controller that they like because they are more comfortable with it, they might also under perform because of that choice. I don't feel that that is a genuine negative reflection of PC but rather that persons choice of control setup. But hey, at least you have the option on PC right.

So I haven't been doing the same thing on PC since the dawn of PC gaming?

@MonsieurX: sweetie, it's 2018 and we've moved on to PS4, did you know that mostly games install quickly? Did you know PS4 games install a small part that's necessary for playing the initial part of the game and then it install everything else while you're playing the game?

https://kotaku.com/you-can-be-playing-a-new-ps4-game-in-45-seconds-or-less-1462949507

Ok, 5 seconds is too short, but it's less than a minute. And HZD that it's the game that takes the longest to install on ps4 takes less than 15 minutos to do the full install.

Do your research before trying to make a point.

Yeah, PC's have been doing the light and full install thing since at least..... Fallout 2 comes to mind anyway. In fact blizzard games for quite some time.

But to be absolutely clear, you are saying that from not installed to installed, consoles will install games (in general) quicker than PC?

@jereb31: in my experience, yes, it does install quicker. Still, we're talking about convenience, so don't try and move goal posts and the thread is not about the pc, it's about consoles, so leave PC out of the equation.

Not moving any goalposts, just addressing the claim made. I find it a stretch to outright ridiculous to claim that consoles install games quicker than a PC without some crutch to assist consoles or something to inhibit PC. I mean consider consoles weaker cpu and hard drives.

@jereb31: do you still deny that consoles are more CONVENIENT than PCs?

Like I mentioned before.

Buying a console to buying a PC seems to be more convenient for a console. You guys are right, you need to know a little more about PC's to get what you want compared to a console.

But the whole installing and playing games portion. Nah, no way. Essentially no difference.

@SecretPolice said:

The number One reason tens of millions bought an X1 is because it's just so much fun watching those like yourself...

QQ

Totally worth the price of admission. lolol :P

So, you spent half a thousand dollars on a console simply so you can spend time on a message board paying attention to the complete strangers that didn't spend half a thousand dollars on said console? ....But what are you doing with your Xbox? I was playing Far Cry on mine, not worrying about people who didn't like Xbox.... Am I playing games wrong?

@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:

@SecretPolice said:

The number One reason tens of millions bought an X1 is because it's just so much fun watching those like yourself...

QQ

Totally worth the price of admission. lolol :P

So, you spent half a thousand dollars on a console simply so you can spend time on a message board paying attention to the complete strangers that didn't spend half a thousand dollars on said console? ....But what are you doing with your Xbox? I was playing Far Cry on mine, not worrying about people who didn't like Xbox.... Am I playing games wrong?

Spending thousands of dollars to appear popular seems to sum up instagram as a whole XD

I am talking about third party software that changes the operating system. my xbox doesn't need antivirus, driver updates, or whatever that is needed to make the system work, this is all one package for my convenience done by xbox.

It is as simple as apples and oranges, it's a closed operating system vs an open one.

and the controller is also a key difference in the system, the console is not only designed to be operated by a controller, it also ensure that your opponents will use a controller as well.

The mouse is a superior device for aiming but not for personal comfort. The latter is certainly debatable, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people prefer the controller, but playing against mouse/keyboard is a disadvantage.

The console caters for this experience, and you cannot have this on the pc. If you decide to play with a controller, then you will still come up against mouse and keyboard players, not to mention you can run into hackers as well, which is pretty much non existant on the console.

Ask yourself one question before you do. Are you a console-only gamer that likes retro gaming in 4K? If not, then the answer is...

Yes, the console caters to the casual. Casuals favor convenience too.

Don't forget there are KBM players on console, as well as hackers. Lets just pretend they dont exist because the numbers are small.

Because I wanted one. I work on PCs all days long and the last thing I want to do is get home and play more games on PC. I understand technically PCs are superior, but I wanted the best experience to play 3rd party games on console and the Xbox One X fills out that need perfectly. Just like the reason I bought a PS4 Pro. I wanted my PS exclusives to look and run at their best. I bought the Switch because of the mobility and the great exclusives they have. So with all three consoles all of my needs are meet perfectly. I get the best 3rd party exclusive performance, and great exclusives from Sony and Nintendo. There are a few Microsoft games that I do enjoy and I would hate to miss them like Ori, Gears, Halo, Cuphead, and Forza so those are just an added bonus.

BTW I have a PC with an i7, and a 1070. I just use it to play WoW when the expansions come out. :P

4K HDR + Atmos Discs Playback (Better than PC)

4K HDR+ Atmos Streaming (Better than PC)

4K HDR + Atmos Gaming (Better than PC)

More convenient than PC

All these things make it superior to my GTX 1080 PC in the living room

Windows has come with inbuilt anti-virus and firewall for quite some time. Started in windows XP, developed into windows defender over the years. Installed and running as standard on every up to date version of windows for years. No user input required. I wouldn't call that an inconvenience. I would call that a convenience.

Your console also get's driver updates you know. Auto-installed and updated, just like on PC.

The controller is a preference thing, choose the control scheme you want to use, not anyone else's problem if you think they should also be using the same controller as you. They probably think that's a dumb idea. Besides, don't the consoles offer limited KB/M support on some games? Do they segregate the servers by control scheme in those games?

Pfff, caters to the experience despite allowing mixed control setup's on some games, also allowing 3rd party hardware to allow people to use KB/M on console. Cronus Max, Titan Two, Venom-X, Keymander, XIM 4 all seem to indicate that there are plenty of people using keyboard and mouse on consoles. Hackers are on both console and PC, hardly to seldom cross one on PC. But probably depends a lot on the games you play, official v other servers etc.

Didn't we discover that ATMOS is natively supported by windows sonic in another thread? Actually, if you grab that 1080 or GPU see if it works. I'm curious if it was just FUD. Try and hookup the sound output through the GPU HDMI out to your ATMOS reciever when you get a chance.

MS has a good marketing team lol. They live with the 360 hype still

Got m3giovela32 on their side too. people who just throw money around cause they can.

For Xbox One, Microsoft is responsible for it's GPU driver update and any problems associated with it.

For Windows PC, when NVIDIA releases semi-broken WHQL driver that cause boot loop on certain GTX 1060 setup, Microsoft is NOT responsible. My old timer relatives will be lost with NVIDIA's semi-broken WHQL driver incidents i.e. they ask for IT support. NVIDIA wouldn't diagnose and fix the machine.

There's a reason why Apple's iOS and Microsoft's Xbox One machines are locked down.

Yeah, but how does having a gpu update released to xbox from microsoft that causes problems any different to the user, from one being released to pc from nvidia.

Both are causing problems. On xbox you have to wait for a hotfix from microsoft and on pc you would have to wait for a hot fix from Nvidia. Or, as you mentioned, perform a work around on PC until a hotfix is released. At least you can try and do a work around on PC.

Edit: You didn't mention work around. But you can still try and solve the issues yourself on PC instead of just waiting.

1. Xbox One hardware set is more predictable from Microsoft's POV while PC hardware set is less predicable from NVIDIA's POV.

Xbox One is a close box system, hence Microsoft has full responsibility over Xbox One's software maintenance.

2. That's the end user taking responsibility. My "I don't give a damn, I just want it to work and I wouldn't pay for additional IT support" relatives are lost on basic IT support and knowledge-base.

"I don't give a damn" end users doesn't give a damn about PC's self service advantage.

The success for Apple's iOS shows "I don't give a damn" end users doesn't care about Windows PC's kitbash self service advantage.

@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:

@SecretPolice said:

The number One reason tens of millions bought an X1 is because it's just so much fun watching those like yourself...

QQ

Totally worth the price of admission. lolol :P

So, you spent half a thousand dollars on a console simply so you can spend time on a message board paying attention to the complete strangers that didn't spend half a thousand dollars on said console? ....But what are you doing with your Xbox? I was playing Far Cry on mine, not worrying about people who didn't like Xbox.... Am I playing games wrong?

Wut? lolol :P

Iunno. Microsoft online? Halo? Forza? Sea of Thieves? Friends who owns Xbox? A controller that isn't shit?

4k Netflix and 4k old games.

@ocinom: Yup. As well as proper non-compressed 4k movies on UHD discs, new 4k 3rd party games, new 4k 1st party games, Dolby Atmos, better HDR support, Gamepass, better controllers, quieter hardware .... but yeah, Netflix and BC are a cool bonus.

@sealionact: What new 4k 1st party games? Better controllers and quieter hardware? There's no proof on those.

so in short, lots of reasons to buy one.

Thanks for sorting that out.

@sealionact: Again, OG hardware. Since that's relevant, the x1x flopped.

PC does have an advantage...downloads are slow as hell on a PS4 and Xbox One but they are what you pay for on a PC.

@ocinom: Ooh lets see. Sea of Thieves, Forza 7, PUBG, Halo Wars 2, Super Lucky's Tale, Recore Definitive - all 4k, all released less than a year ago with Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2 and Ori still to come.
Proof of quieter hardware? Here ya go.
Xbox One X vs Pro sound levels measured.
Proof that the controllers are better? Well how do you prove that? You can't. You can argue and have opinions. I'll argue that the standard X1 controller is better than the DS4 in that the battery life on the DS4 is woeful, due mostly to the inability to turn off the redundant light which reflects off the screen. On Xbox, you can choose to use standard AA batteries which last way longer, use rechargeable batteries, or use the battery pack which still gives longer battery life than the DS4.
The DS4 speaker is underused as well as the trackpad. The stick layout is...unique, and the thumbsticks are less textured, making slipping possible. The triggers are better on the Xbox controller due to haptic feedback (Lacking on DS4), and actually feeling like a trigger. On top of that, Xbox controllers work out of the box with PC, whereas DS4 needs a dongle.
Then of course, there's the Elite controller which Sony simply doesn't have an answer to.
That's my argument ..... what's yours?

So no good games at 4k?

Unholy cowzerzzz...

The rektage is brutally savage. lol :P

@Diddies: Need some help moving those goalposts?
Lol....Moo Cows are getting itchy udders....

@recloud: Hey, you were the one who mentioned the X1X in your question - or was I just supposed to agree with you and call the X1 a "Netflix and BC box with no games at all"?
Oh, and if the X1X flopped, what did the Pro do?

@sealionact:

1.List of mediocre games
2. One website show more.
3. Still subjective with the best controller. It's just your opinion

But please do enjoy hyping XB1X. For the rest of us who makes good life decisions PS4 is the way to go

@ocinom:
1. You asked for recent 4k 1st party games, then shifted the goalposts because you were provided with a list of recent 1st party 4k games and didn't have a suitable comeback.
2. You asked for proof. I provided a link from Dualshockers who measured in dB the noise levels. Again - with no suitable retort - you grasp at straws and ask for another link. Awkward.
So here is another.

Second noise measurement

3. You repeated my statement about controllers being opinion, instead of rising to my challenge of providing your reasoning for thinking DS4 is a better controller. Whoopsy.

Now do the following. Find a mirror. Look at it. Raise your forefinger to your mouth and make a "Shhhh...." sound. Repeat ad infinitum. Google "ad infinitum".

If you can read my sig, then maybe you can tell I am a PC gamer. lol Sea of Thieves, Forza 7, PUBG, Halo Wars 2, Super Lucky's Tale, Recore Definitive...are these games really to be proud of? lol

Sea of Thieves - Horrible

Forza 7 - okay-good...best one on the list

PUBG - broken on the one

Halo Wars 2 - not a good RTS

Super Lucky's Tale - horrible game

Recore - horrible game.

You are literally bragging about games that people laugh at. lol

@Diddies: Please....stop embarrassing yourself. You're hijacking a post that asked for 1st party 4k games on X1X, and changing the debate to another question - hence my "moving goalposts" post.
Honestly .... move on.

@sealionact: I’ll move on as you have embarrassed yourself once again.

Of course the xboxone comes with drivers but it's a closed operating system. I cannot install drivers myself, nor can third party apps do that Everything is centralized, even your friends.

You're really grasping for straws when you mention adapters for mouse and keyboard on the console. This is just a very small part. and it doesn't even work properly btw, those adapters still have to convert a mouse input to the signal of an analog stick. The consoles don't have any native keyboard and mouse input for games. at least they don't have on the xbox.

So It does cater a controller experience that the pc is not capable of. and of course it's understandable you try to minimize it when you have made such a ridiculous statement like saying the pc is superior in every way.

Heck even managing windows with a controller is already a hassle.

and hackers is a pc problem, You might as well deny the light of the sun if you deny that. The most popular game on the pc is plagued by it (pugb) just like pretty much any fps/tps multiplayer game. The console has this problem a lot less, since it's a closed operating system.

Because it's cheap.

Going to trim some of the paragraphs above, getting a bit of a long quote.

Exactly, drivers auto-install on the consoles the same as how they do on PC's. Though I can choose to disable, roll back or swap my drivers if I find it convenient to do so. Can you?

I would say grasping at straws is arguing about people using different controllers in games is unfair but let me try this approach. What about people who use steering wheels on consoles compared to controllers? Or flightsticks to controllers? Do the consoles cater to controller only servers in multiplayer games that support them?
This whole catering to people who want to use only controllers is just ridiculous. The console do such a good job at locking it down to only controllers they offer official support for non-controllers in game!
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/03/hori-racing-wheel-for-xbox-one-the-kotaku-review/

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tflight-hotas-one

Fortnite supports KB+M on PS4,

https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/battle-royale/royale-with-cheese/97485-ps4-balance-controller-vs-keyboard-mouse

Plus all the peripherals I mentioned before getting KB+M to work are still a thing.

What about the custom fighter controllers, https://www.gamingfactors.com/arcade-stick-fight-stick/#Best-Arcade-Stick-Xbox-360Xbox-OnePS4-and-PS3

Seems like the consoles cater to a lot of custom controllers man, maybe not as well as PC though? I'd say they cater to controllers about second to PC XD.

Didn't say hackers don't exist on PC, just that it's overblown by just about everybody who's trying to make a point.

How's that mod scene on consoles? Are the consoles still catering to modding or are they still catching up?