Is there any real or substantial reason to buy an X1 console?

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#201 commander
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@jereb31 said:
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Windows has come with inbuilt anti-virus and firewall for quite some time. Started in windows XP, developed into windows defender over the years. Installed and running as standard on every up to date version of windows for years. No user input required. I wouldn't call that an inconvenience. I would call that a convenience.

Your console also get's driver updates you know. Auto-installed and updated, just like on PC.

The controller is a preference thing, choose the control scheme you want to use, not anyone else's problem if you think they should also be using the same controller as you. They probably think that's a dumb idea. Besides, don't the consoles offer limited KB/M support on some games? Do they segregate the servers by control scheme in those games?

Pfff, caters to the experience despite allowing mixed control setup's on some games, also allowing 3rd party hardware to allow people to use KB/M on console. Cronus Max, Titan Two, Venom-X, Keymander, XIM 4 all seem to indicate that there are plenty of people using keyboard and mouse on consoles. Hackers are on both console and PC, hardly to seldom cross one on PC. But probably depends a lot on the games you play, official v other servers etc.

Of course the xboxone comes with drivers but it's a closed operating system. I cannot install drivers myself, nor can third party apps do that Everything is centralized, even your friends.

You're really grasping for straws when you mention adapters for mouse and keyboard on the console. This is just a very small part. and it doesn't even work properly btw, those adapters still have to convert a mouse input to the signal of an analog stick. The consoles don't have any native keyboard and mouse input for games. at least they don't have on the xbox.

So It does cater a controller experience that the pc is not capable of. and of course it's understandable you try to minimize it when you have made such a ridiculous statement like saying the pc is superior in every way.

Heck even managing windows with a controller is already a hassle.

and hackers is a pc problem, You might as well deny the light of the sun if you deny that. The most popular game on the pc is plagued by it (pugb) just like pretty much any fps/tps multiplayer game. The console has this problem a lot less, since it's a closed operating system.

Going to trim some of the paragraphs above, getting a bit of a long quote.

Exactly, drivers auto-install on the consoles the same as how they do on PC's. Though I can choose to disable, roll back or swap my drivers if I find it convenient to do so. Can you?

I would say grasping at straws is arguing about people using different controllers in games is unfair but let me try this approach. What about people who use steering wheels on consoles compared to controllers? Or flightsticks to controllers? Do the consoles cater to controller only servers in multiplayer games that support them?

This whole catering to people who want to use only controllers is just ridiculous. The console do such a good job at locking it down to only controllers they offer official support for non-controllers in game!

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/03/hori-racing-wheel-for-xbox-one-the-kotaku-review/

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tflight-hotas-one

Fortnite supports KB+M on PS4,

https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/battle-royale/royale-with-cheese/97485-ps4-balance-controller-vs-keyboard-mouse

Plus all the peripherals I mentioned before getting KB+M to work are still a thing.

What about the custom fighter controllers, https://www.gamingfactors.com/arcade-stick-fight-stick/#Best-Arcade-Stick-Xbox-360Xbox-OnePS4-and-PS3

Seems like the consoles cater to a lot of custom controllers man, maybe not as well as PC though? I'd say they cater to controllers about second to PC XD.

Didn't say hackers don't exist on PC, just that it's overblown by just about everybody who's trying to make a point.

How's that mod scene on consoles? Are the consoles still catering to modding or are they still catching up?

you're comparing steering wheels, fightsticks and flightsticks with mouse and keyboard vs controller? Like I said you're grasping for straws

and I already mentioned I was only sure about xbox, and after all this is still a thread about the xboxone x

overblown or not, hackers are a bigger problem on the pc than the xbox.

what does modding have to do with this? modding is defenitely an advantage for the pc, but that wasn't the point of the discussion now was it, you said that the pc is superior in everyway, and that's just a load of horseshit.

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#202 ReCloud
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@sealionact: the pro is as irrelevant as the x1x. Actually, a little less because it sells more than the x1x. But it og hardware is the relevant in the world.

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#203 Jereb31
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@commander said:
@jereb31 said:
@commander said:
@jereb31 said:

Windows has come with inbuilt anti-virus and firewall for quite some time. Started in windows XP, developed into windows defender over the years. Installed and running as standard on every up to date version of windows for years. No user input required. I wouldn't call that an inconvenience. I would call that a convenience.

Your console also get's driver updates you know. Auto-installed and updated, just like on PC.

The controller is a preference thing, choose the control scheme you want to use, not anyone else's problem if you think they should also be using the same controller as you. They probably think that's a dumb idea. Besides, don't the consoles offer limited KB/M support on some games? Do they segregate the servers by control scheme in those games?

Pfff, caters to the experience despite allowing mixed control setup's on some games, also allowing 3rd party hardware to allow people to use KB/M on console. Cronus Max, Titan Two, Venom-X, Keymander, XIM 4 all seem to indicate that there are plenty of people using keyboard and mouse on consoles. Hackers are on both console and PC, hardly to seldom cross one on PC. But probably depends a lot on the games you play, official v other servers etc.

Of course the xboxone comes with drivers but it's a closed operating system. I cannot install drivers myself, nor can third party apps do that Everything is centralized, even your friends.

You're really grasping for straws when you mention adapters for mouse and keyboard on the console. This is just a very small part. and it doesn't even work properly btw, those adapters still have to convert a mouse input to the signal of an analog stick. The consoles don't have any native keyboard and mouse input for games. at least they don't have on the xbox.

So It does cater a controller experience that the pc is not capable of. and of course it's understandable you try to minimize it when you have made such a ridiculous statement like saying the pc is superior in every way.

Heck even managing windows with a controller is already a hassle.

and hackers is a pc problem, You might as well deny the light of the sun if you deny that. The most popular game on the pc is plagued by it (pugb) just like pretty much any fps/tps multiplayer game. The console has this problem a lot less, since it's a closed operating system.

Going to trim some of the paragraphs above, getting a bit of a long quote.

Exactly, drivers auto-install on the consoles the same as how they do on PC's. Though I can choose to disable, roll back or swap my drivers if I find it convenient to do so. Can you?

I would say grasping at straws is arguing about people using different controllers in games is unfair but let me try this approach. What about people who use steering wheels on consoles compared to controllers? Or flightsticks to controllers? Do the consoles cater to controller only servers in multiplayer games that support them?

This whole catering to people who want to use only controllers is just ridiculous. The console do such a good job at locking it down to only controllers they offer official support for non-controllers in game!

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/03/hori-racing-wheel-for-xbox-one-the-kotaku-review/

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tflight-hotas-one

Fortnite supports KB+M on PS4,

https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/battle-royale/royale-with-cheese/97485-ps4-balance-controller-vs-keyboard-mouse

Plus all the peripherals I mentioned before getting KB+M to work are still a thing.

What about the custom fighter controllers, https://www.gamingfactors.com/arcade-stick-fight-stick/#Best-Arcade-Stick-Xbox-360Xbox-OnePS4-and-PS3

Seems like the consoles cater to a lot of custom controllers man, maybe not as well as PC though? I'd say they cater to controllers about second to PC XD.

Didn't say hackers don't exist on PC, just that it's overblown by just about everybody who's trying to make a point.

How's that mod scene on consoles? Are the consoles still catering to modding or are they still catching up?

you're comparing steering wheels, fightsticks and flightsticks with mouse and keyboard vs controller? Like I said you're grasping for straws

and I already mentioned I was only sure about xbox, and after all this is still a thread about the xboxone x

overblown or not, hackers are a bigger problem on the pc than the xbox.

what does modding have to do with this? modding is defenitely an advantage for the pc, but that wasn't the point of the discussion now was it, you said that the pc is superior in everyway, and that's just a load of horseshit.

Pretty sure the claim was that consoles cater to a level playing field of controllers.

"@commander said:

you ignore the fact that consoles have a lot of advantages too, not having to bother with hackers is one of them, and if you want to play with a controller vs controllers then the pc is already useless."

"and the controller is also a key difference in the system, the console is not only designed to be operated by a controller, it also ensure that your opponents will use a controller as well."

Seems consoles are designed to be operated by multiple different types of controllers, including keyboard and mouse in some cases.

If i'm grasping at straws, they are pretty big straws.

FYI I raised modding because you raised hacking, neither of which was part of our first argument. But I can agree, hacking is bigger on PC, just like the modding scene is bigger on PC.

"you said that the pc is superior in everyway, and that's just a load of horseshit."

So before you blow a gasket, here is what I actually said:

"Actually a PC is everything a console is and more."

"Consoles are no more convenient than PC, and can be cheaper than PC. But a console, 9/10's, offers a lesser experience to a PC version of a game."

As for the point of discussion, I jumped in around the convenience part of the conversation. If you want to get into PC's superiority over consoles be my guest. I don't think you will have a shortage of people to argue with about that.

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#204 organic_machine
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Let me first say that I own a Bone S, a PS4 standard, and a Switch. Between the Bone and my PS4, I use the PS4 more regularly. Having said that, I can completely understand why someone would choose the Bone over the PS4.

1) They share the vast majority of the same games. So choose one or the other and you'll be okay. Legit, the consoles are mostly identical in terms of library and value.

2) Not all people like movie games like Last of Us. Sorry. I enjoyed the Uncharted series. But unlike many linear games in the past (like the Half Life series, which gets exciting when you play creative runs like projectiles only), I have difficulty returning to games like Heavy Rain or Uncharted. They're great, don't get me wrong! But Forza and Halo have more staying power. The "first time" experience of the Sony exclusives are AWESOME though. But Halo 5, even as much of a disappointment as it was, was much more repayable than TLOU.

Granted, the PS4 has Bloodborne, which IMO is the reason I would choose a PS4 over a Bone. But still. Personal preference.

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#205 Fairmonkey
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The way i see it, there are exactly two reasons:

1. You dont want to game on PC

2. You dont like Playstation

I like PC and playstation so i literally have no reason to buy an xbox. Absolute worthless purchase

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#206 DragonfireXZ95
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@jereb31: You forgot about the Xim add-on.

Use mouse and keyboard with any game on the Xbone or PS4 for only 99.99. Take advantage and destroy in games that don't have auto aim, such as pubg and fortnite.

https://xim.tech/

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#207 IMAHAPYHIPPO
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You claim the number one reason people bought a 1X is to enjoy watching fanboys who don't like MS whine on the Internet. That's silliness.

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The number One reason tens of millions bought an X1 is because it's just so much fun watching those like yourself...

QQ

Totally worth the price of admission. lolol :P

So, you spent half a thousand dollars on a console simply so you can spend time on a message board paying attention to the complete strangers that didn't spend half a thousand dollars on said console? ....But what are you doing with your Xbox? I was playing Far Cry on mine, not worrying about people who didn't like Xbox.... Am I playing games wrong?

Wut? lolol :P

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#208  Edited By IMAHAPYHIPPO
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@jereb31: People spending money on Instagram are suckers.