Is there anyone here who use to love Nintendo but hates the Wii?

Im curious as I see alot of people who support the Wii most who seem to be hardcore sheep and im curious why? First let me say Nintendo use to be by far the company I supported the most up untill the end of the Gamecube. The fact of the matter is they have some of the best franchises in gaming history and theres to many good memorys there not to like them as a company. But as general hardcore gamer are you glad the Wii has succeded and do you realize what it would mean if other hardware companies went down the same path as Nintendo? Theres several points I want to make and get peopels opinion.

1. You realize Nintendo is the only hardware company that does not sell there console for a loss? Thats right the 360 cost Microsoft nearly $550 to make each console at launch wich they sold for $400 it cost Sony nearly $850 to make each PS3 wich they sold for $600. It only cost Nintendo what was esitmated to be $160 which they sold each wii for $250. Ive made this point before and rabbid wii fans say things along the lines of "well thats just good business dont blame Nintendo" and the fact of the matter Is I dont blame Nintendo I blame the people that bought a repackaged Gamecube with a gimmicky remote that took them 4 years to get it to work the way it was meant to.( motion Plus).......... If everyone followed this formula we would have consoles that were nearly 5 years behind the current pc hardware at launch with stripped down features that basically make it only a gaming console. Im not sure why companys like Sony and Microsoft dont get a little more credit for offering more bang for there buck .

2. People say its all about the games and although the wii has some good games( mostly made by Nintendo) it plays a host to loads of shovelware, do you think it would have been better if Nintndo spent a little more money on the console and provided a higher quality experience? Could you honestly tell me the best wii games wouldnt be better on the PS3 or the 360?

3. Of course Nintendo fans always point out that Sony and Microsoft are doing motion controls and hail Nintendoas the great innovator. But in all honesty motion controls started with the eye toy the wii just made it popular and as a gamer do you think its postive that any of these motion controls become a massive success? I would like each company to make some money off them as I dont want any of them to lose billions but I dont want them to become the focal point of the system .

Ps. Not bashing anything just want some reasonable views.

Wow, from arguing in the last thread to totally agreeing with you in this one....weird.

there's been alot of wii hate lately.

Anyways, the wii isn't just a re-packaged gamecube, it's more like a gamecube running at 1.5x the clock speed and with a little over twice the ram. And it's very low power consuming and effecient.

But yeah, it's using the gc's architecture.

I love Nintendo, don't like the wii too :P

contradictions FTW!

Me. Nintendo's consoles are too good for the crappy games they get.

I don't hate it, I just don't like what it has to offer.

me. Smash Bros is the only Nintendo series I'm not starting to get bored of that is still around (starfox, f-zero,mother, etc are all gone) and they just don't make new IPs like Sony does or I could even saw Microsoft (their first party sucks now, but they did at least introduce 1 new IP that became a hit this gen) there really aren't enough great 3rd party games that come to it as it misses pretty much every big multiplat that the other systems share.

hate motion controls, hate how nintendo thinks gamers don't want online these days. wii's online so basic, it makes psn look like a premium service. They didn't really push hardware any. (i didn't expect the best graphics, but they could have at least made the hardware noticable better than the first xbox's.)

I only hate the Wii due to problematic motion control stability (Skyward Sword demo anyone?) and the lack of 1080p + surround sound.

I don't necessarily hate it, I just sorta.... outgrew it. I basically grew up on the SNES and N64 (I had a PS and hardly touched it), but this gen, I just don't really care that much anymore.

1. You realize Nintendo is the only hardware company that does not sell there console for a loss?

I do realize that, and have forever. I'm not sure where the problem is.

2. People say its all about the games and although the wii has some good games( mostly made by Nintendo) it plays a host to loads of shovelware, do you think it would have been better if Nintndo spent a little more money on the console and provided a higher quality expereince? Could you honestly tell me the best wii games wouldnt be better on the PS3 or the 360?

Every popular system ever has been the host to loads of shovelware. That's what comes with the popularity. Also, I doubt the experience would have been better. What would have made them better aside from HD graphics? That's pretty much it for what the HD twins have on the Wii. Though in terms of multiplayer games the Wii's online is garbage.

3.Of course Nintendo fans always point out that Sony and Microsoft are doing motion contorls and hail Nintnedo as the great innovator. But in all honesty motion controls started with the eye toy the wii just made it popular and as a gamer do you think its postive that any of these motion controls become a massive success? I would like each company to make some money off them as I dont want any of them to lose billions but I dont want them to become the focal point of the system .

Well, the eye toy wasn't the first motion controller out there. Anyways, I like them. As a PC gamer I'm used to getting essentially the PS3/360 experience, but better in terms of graphics, custom content, online, etc. Motion controls for the Wii have made the system different from the PC instead of a stripped down version of the PC, and therefore the Wii experience compliments a PC incredibly well I think.

I know the PS3/360 have games the PC doesn't really have an equal for (Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts/Twisted Metal/MGS), but these are sacrifices I learned to live with. I'd much prefer a system with tons of originality in its' games than skimming through a bunch of highly rated shooters, and action games to find a handful of games I don't really think justify a $300 purchase on top of accessories/DLC/etc

TheSterls

I agree with you completely. I was the biggest Nintendo fanboy until the last year of the Gamecube. Nintendo hasn't made a new IP for their console system since Pikmin. I dont understand how in 10 years they still havent created a new character....

Also, since I've gotten a bit older I find it hard to play the same old Mario and Zelda games when there are great games out there with amazing stories and atmosphere.

1. You realize Nintendo is the only hardware company that does not sell there console for a loss?

2. People say its all about the games and although the wii has some good games( mostly made by Nintendo) it plays a host to loads of shovelware, do you think it would have been better if Nintndo spent a little more money on the console and provided a higher quality experience? Could you honestly tell me the best wii games wouldnt be better on the PS3 or the 360?

3. Of course Nintendo fans always point out that Sony and Microsoft are doing motion controls and hail Nintendoas the great innovator.

TheSterls

1. Nintendo was the only company at launch who didn't sell their system at a loss. Making your system more and more PC-like will add up the costs. Wii had the bare essentials needed.

2. How would they be better on the HD systems though? Besides HD, proper surround sound, and a better online interface there wouldn't be any difference (And the online interface isn't a problem for most games anyway.) Games like Red Steel 2 wouldn't be nearly as fun with a controller, but I won't deny I'd like it better if they were running in HD with 7.1.

3. I hail Nintendo as the innovater of motion controllers. Nunchuck is the successor to the Duck Hunt guns. Sony made the Eye Toy which seems (I may be wrong,) to be the first successful hands-free motion controls. Sony seemed to take their tech, combine it with the Wii plus make some improvements, and made the Move. MS seemed to take Sony's tech and improve upon it. Unfortuntely for them 95% of gamers have no interest in Kinect titles or controls. I welcome motion controllers (not just controls,) with open arms but having it be one or the other is a big no no IMO. You should have the ability to choose between both control schemes.

Nope I still love Nintendo and the Wii. Though I'm sure there's plenty of people are like what you describe in the topic title.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

1. You realize Nintendo is the only hardware company that does not sell there console for a loss?

I do realize that, and have forever. I'm not sure where the problem is.

2. People say its all about the games and although the wii has some good games( mostly made by Nintendo) it plays a host to loads of shovelware, do you think it would have been better if Nintndo spent a little more money on the console and provided a higher quality expereince? Could you honestly tell me the best wii games wouldnt be better on the PS3 or the 360?

Every popular system ever has been the host to loads of shovelware. That's what comes with the popularity. Also, I doubt the experience would have been better. What would have made them better aside from HD graphics? That's pretty much it for what the HD twins have on the Wii. Though in terms of multiplayer games the Wii's online is garbage.

3.Of course Nintendo fans always point out that Sony and Microsoft are doing motion contorls and hail Nintnedo as the great innovator. But in all honesty motion controls started with the eye toy the wii just made it popular and as a gamer do you think its postive that any of these motion controls become a massive success? I would like each company to make some money off them as I dont want any of them to lose billions but I dont want them to become the focal point of the system .

Well, the eye toy wasn't the first motion controller out there. Anyways, I like them. As a PC gamer I'm used to getting essentially the PS3/360 experience, but better in terms of graphics, custom content, online, etc. Motion controls for the Wii have made the system different from the PC instead of a stripped down version of the PC, and therefore the Wii experience compliments a PC incredibly well I think.

I know the PS3/360 have games the PC doesn't really have an equal for (Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts/Twisted Metal/MGS), but these are sacrifices I learned to live with. I'd much prefer a system with tons of originality in its' games than skimming through a bunch of highly rated shooters, and action games to find a handful of games I don't really think justify a $300 purchase on top of accessories/DLC/etc

Raymundo_Manuel

? What about Higher quality assets , effects and larger enviorments? If you put a wii game in 720p it would hardly look as good as a high quality PS3 or 360 title.Wii is HD graphics

You think the only thing PS3 and 360 offer over thewii is HD-Graphics? What about far higher quality assets , effects, , larger enviorments . If you took a Wii game and put it in 720p it will hardly look like a PS3 and 360 title. I guess since you use your PC for most of everything else the wii would seem ok to you but for pure console gamers i dont think anyone could own just a Wii.

I know, I was just playing star fox on my n64. Meanwhile, my wii is over there not getting much time.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

1. You realize Nintendo is the only hardware company that does not sell there console for a loss?

2. People say its all about the games and although the wii has some good games( mostly made by Nintendo) it plays a host to loads of shovelware, do you think it would have been better if Nintndo spent a little more money on the console and provided a higher quality experience? Could you honestly tell me the best wii games wouldnt be better on the PS3 or the 360?

3. Of course Nintendo fans always point out that Sony and Microsoft are doing motion controls and hail Nintendoas the great innovator.

ChubbyGuy40

1. Nintendo was the only company at launch who didn't sell their system at a loss. Making your system more and more PC-like will add up the costs. Wii had the bare essentials needed.

2. How would they be better on the HD systems though? Besides HD, proper surround sound, and a better online interface there wouldn't be any difference (And the online interface isn't a problem for most games anyway.) Games like Red Steel 2 wouldn't be nearly as fun with a controller, but I won't deny I'd like it better if they were running in HD with 7.1.

3. I hail Nintendo as the innovater of motion controllers. Nunchuck is the successor to the Duck Hunt guns. Sony made the Eye Toy which seems (I may be wrong,) to be the first successful hands-free motion controls. Sony seemed to take their tech, combine it with the Wii plus make some improvements, and made the Move. MS seemed to take Sony's tech and improve upon it. Unfortuntely for them 95% of gamers have no interest in Kinect titles or controls. I welcome motion controllers (not just controls,) with open arms but having it be one or the other is a big no no IMO. You should have the ability to choose between both control schemes.

1. Yes but why not sell it for 150$ I just find it funny they sell it for profit right from the start. One of the most intresting things to me as a gamer is to see what the new games look like for the next gen of consoles. When the first screenshots of Gears of War and MGS came out my jaw droped but with the Wii you had games that looked identical to what you got on the Gamecube and thats where they lost me.

2. As I said before A wii game even in 720p is going to look far worse then high quality PS3 or 360 titles. I for one think it would be cool to play a new zelda with God of War 3 type visuals( no it doesnt need all the blood to be good) .

3. I just dont see to many people making quality games with motion controls and the trend seems to be the same with the Move and Kinect .

I don't hate the Wii, but I strongly dislike Nintendo (and GC was my favorite console of last gen).

Console gaming by default is NOT 'hardcore' that would be the online pc gaming leagues that provide that! and as far as console gaming goes whats so bad about the wii? the controls are great when implemented properly and the gfx are fine.Pantburster

Thats absolute rubbish, hardcore gaming is anything that requries lots of time to play and things that the average non gamer couldnt get into. Saying there are no hardcore console games is simply a fanboyish statement. But from what Im understanding PC gamers seem to think all console makers should go the Wii route. Which thankfully will probalby never happen. Its also sad as I dont think they realize how much it would hurt the pc industry.

No, I still like Nintendo, and I have been satisfied with the Wii.

1. Yes but why not sell it for 150$ I just find it funny they sell it for profit right from the start. One of the most intresting things to me as a gamer is to see what the new games look like for the next gen of consoles. When the first screenshots of Gears of War and MGS came out my jaw droped but with the Wii you had games that looked identical to what you got on the Gamecube and thats where they lost me.

2. As I said before A wii game even in 720p is going to look far worse then high quality PS3 or 360 titles. I for one think it would be cool to play a new zelda with God of War 3 type visuals( no it doesnt need all the blood to be good) .

3. I just dont see to many people making quality games with motion controls and the treand seems to be the same with the Move and Kinect .

TheSterls

Why not sell it for profit right from the start? Perhaps the Gamecube left them in a really bad position but thats unlikely do to the DS success. They knew they'd have this gen locked down, heck they won the moment it released. I think we've started seeing entry-level/launch 360 and PS3 visuals but thats not much considering its still SD.

You're correct, but not all games look Cruis-N bad. Its amazing how much resolution, AA, and AF can do to visuals. Throw in some higher resolution textures and the games aren't far behind at all. I'd like a new Zelda with Crysis level visuals...no eff that. I'd like to see a new Zelda on The Witcher 2's engine. Its perfect for a high-end zelda game.

High quality? I must agree but quality is in the eye of the beholder. Move seems to be getting some more serious/hardcore support from Sony while Kinect will be nothing but a gimmick/casual item.

I don't like the fact that Nintendo makes a profit and is a company. I mad, I really mad.

System Wars has three topics:

1) I LOVE NINTENDO BUT I HATE THE WII!

2) SALES/YOU CAN'T PLAY SALES!

3) CRYSIS SCREENSHOTS.

If a #1 or #2 thread stays alive long enough, it will end up having its own Crysis screenshots.

What amazes me is that people with thousands of posts keep making the same three threads and pretend it's something incredibly original that nobody else has ever mentioned.

Me. Motion control isn't much to my liking, and I've never been a fan of Mario. The Wii has been rather dissapointing to say the least.

The only expections beings Monster Hunter Tri, and No More Heroes (which a possibly better version is comming to PS3 anyways... :? )

Here's hoping Nintendo goes for an actual CONTROLLER next gen (unlikely as it is), and a much better jump in hardware.

I don't like the fact that Nintendo makes a profit and is a company. I mad, I really mad.

DerpyMcDerp

OBJECTION! (I've been wanting to say this for awhile. I know you're kidding but its really fun to discuss with real/fake trolls)

If you don't like the fact that Nintendo makes profit and is a company, why do you embrace Activision and Black Ops?

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

1. Yes but why not sell it for 150$ I just find it funny they sell it for profit right from the start. One of the most intresting things to me as a gamer is to see what the new games look like for the next gen of consoles. When the first screenshots of Gears of War and MGS came out my jaw droped but with the Wii you had games that looked identical to what you got on the Gamecube and thats where they lost me.

2. As I said before A wii game even in 720p is going to look far worse then high quality PS3 or 360 titles. I for one think it would be cool to play a new zelda with God of War 3 type visuals( no it doesnt need all the blood to be good) .

3. I just dont see to many people making quality games with motion controls and the treand seems to be the same with the Move and Kinect .

ChubbyGuy40

Why not sell it for profit right from the start? Perhaps the Gamecube left them in a really bad position but thats unlikely do to the DS success. They knew they'd have this gen locked down, heck they won the moment it released. I think we've started seeing entry-level/launch 360 and PS3 visuals but thats not much considering its still SD.

You're correct, but not all games look Cruis-N bad. Its amazing how much resolution, AA, and AF can do to visuals. Throw in some higher resolution textures and the games aren't far behind at all. I'd like a new Zelda with Crysis level visuals...no eff that. I'd like to see a new Zelda on The Witcher 2's engine. Its perfect for a high-end zelda game.

High quality? I must agree but quality is in the eye of the beholder. Move seems to be getting some more serious/hardcore support from Sony while Kinect will be nothing but a gimmick/casual item.

Well if your Nintendo id sell it for whatever I can but Im not concerned about how much money a company makes im worried about what im getting for my money and when I realized what the wii was offering for the money i couldnt consider buying it especially when there best game at launch in my oponion( Zelda TP) was also on the gamecube and looked virtually identical.

Second yes it would be amazing to see Zelda on the Witchers 2 engine and the fact of the matter is the next consoles ( PS4 etc) would have no problem pulling that off. But the way Nintnedo is going you will not see a zelda that looks like the Witcher2 for about 12 more years . And its just sad to see all thsoe franchises held back because Nintendo wants to save money

Yep I think of all the motion controls the Move has the most potential as its basically being offered as an option for PS3 owners who want to expereince motion controls and being implemented in current games while the Kinect unfortiantley seems to be Microsofts new focus with loads of horrible shovelware.

System Wars has three topics:

1) I LOVE NINTENDO BUT I HATE THE WII!

2) SALES/YOU CAN'T PLAY SALES!

3) CRYSIS SCREENSHOTS.

If a #1 or #2 thread stays alive long enough, it will end up having its own Crysis screenshots.

What amazes me is that people with thousands of posts keep making the same three threads and pretend it's something incredibly original that nobody else has ever mentioned.

LordQuorthon

I dont see a whole lot of I love Nintnedo and hate the Wii, its mostly I hate the Wii or I love Nintendo. I also dont make to many threads and if it bugs you so much just move along.

I don't like the fact that Nintendo makes a profit and is a company. I mad, I really mad.

DerpyMcDerp

Thats pretty sad thats all you took from my post , but the fact of the matter is both Sony and Microsoft made profit they just did it without selling ridculously low end hardware at launch. I was hoping Nintendo could find a way to do the same thing.

The only folks who don't like the Wii are teenage boys, children and adults love Nintendo...

These threads are useless, the Wii won the war, it's over and the 360 and PS3 will never catch up.

The Wii is not what I wanted Nintendo to come out with, but its what we have and I do enjoy it. I am glad I bought one (again). I prefer my PS3 and even more so my PC, but the Wii has some great games and it makes it worth it.

Basically, we all know the Wii is a weak console and so forth. I'm not happy about it being weak, lacking HD, and such, but alas, I want to play Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, and so much more. The Wii (IMO) is not a good console to own by itself, but it is indeed worthy of a purchase for its many gems.

PS - the 3DS looks to satisfy my want's much more than the Wii had in terms of tech and such. I hope the next console goes in a similar direction.

nintendo games are still top notched if sony and ms did the exact same thing the wii did, go motion with outdated hardware the wii wouldnt be hated so much in the "hardcore" community. Its not the norm for this gen which is basically the odd man out.

the wii is a great system but the only people that realized are the ones that arent on a high horse.

if you dont like the wii thats fine thats your opinion which is cool

The only folks who don't like the Wii are teenage boys, children and adults love Nintendo...

These threads are useless, the Wii won the war, it's over and the 360 and PS3 will never catch up.

nintendofan73

fakeboys ftw!!! lol

I agree with you completely. I was the biggest Nintendo fanboy until the last year of the Gamecube. Nintendo hasn't made a new IP for their console system since Pikmin. I dont understand how in 10 years they still havent created a new character....

Also, since I've gotten a bit older I find it hard to play the same old Mario and Zelda games when there are great games out there with amazing stories and atmosphere.

Auroni

do new ips matter that much when they are usually the same architect of an old game with just new paint? seriously new ips generally fail and nintendo has ip they really need to tap into again (f-zero anyone?)

I used to like Nintendo but I hate the Wii. The N64, and Gamecube were better consoles for their time. The Wii may have motion controls but it's all null if the games themselves are running on archaic hardware.

Wii games have no physics systems, no HD, gameplay is tried.

It is apparent with the few multiplats on the Wii, such as Star Wars Force Unleashed. The Wii version is mediocre in comparison to 360/PS3 versions.

Nintendo is so good, they released a modestly powered console that had rock solid reliability at a sensible price, lets also not mention they introduced motion controls.

Even this past Christmas with the Wii and 360 being the exact same price, the Wii sold many more consoles than Microsoft, the crappy old Wii outsold the HD 360 at the exact same price.

By the end of 2011 the Wii will have sold 100 million worldwide, maybe even more...

Well if your Nintendo id sell it for whatever I can but Im not concerned about how much money a company makes im worried about what im getting for my money and when I realized what the wii was offering for the money i couldnt consider buying it especially when there best game at launch in my oponion( Zelda TP) was also on the gamecube and looked virtually identical.

Second yes it would be amazing to see Zelda on the Witchers 2 engine and the fact of the matter is the next consoles ( PS4 etc) would have no problem pulling that off. But the way Nintnedo is going you will not see a zelda that looks like the Witcher2 for about 12 more years . And its just sad to see all thsoe franchises held back because Nintendo wants to save money

Yep I think of all the motion controls the Move has the most potential as its basically being offered as an option for PS3 owners who want to expereince motion controls and being implemented in current games while the Kinect unfortiantley seems to be Microsofts new focus with loads of horrible shovelware.

TheSterls

And yet, with programs not allowed to be discussed on here, we can do simple texture mods that make a noticable amount of difference to TP. At the beginning ya I'd say it was too much. 100-150 seems just about right.

I wouldn't count that out yet. As I said above TP doesn't look all that bad with certain features. You should also take into account how Zelda on consoles has played out for the "big" Zelda games. OoT was a light-themed game while MM had a much more serious and dark tone. Wind Waker was obviously a light-themed due to art style while TP was a dark and serious tone also. Skyward Sword seems to be an adult Wind Waker so I'd only assume the next would be with the 2nd main guy in the Zelda production staff (Not Miyamoto, the one behind TP.) Hes the one behind the dark and serious themed Zeldas I believe. Nintendo pulls the best out of their own console so I wouldn't be surprised if the next Zelda after SS is shockingly good looking technically.

I dislike motion controls simply because they're impractical for most scenarios. Motion controllers however, have great potential. Like I said, I think both motion controllers and regular controllers should exist in all games, whether it takes advantage of the game or not. One reason I say this is personal. My dad can't play Wii games due to his muscle disabilities but he can play games with a KB/M and controller just fine. Other reason is that until we get true 1:1 tracking down with little to no interference and devs who know how to use them, they'll never take off. Having a controller scheme is perfect backup incase motion fails.

I used to like Nintendo but I hate the Wii. The N64, and Gamecube were better consoles for their time. The Wii may have motion controls but it's all null if the games themselves are running on archaic hardware.

Wii games have no physics systems, no HD, gameplay is tried.

It is apparent with the few multiplats on the Wii, such as Star Wars Force Unleashed. The Wii version is mediocre in comparison to 360/PS3 versions.

RECON64bit

Well good thing Nintendo systems aren't 3rd party puppies... Nintendo actually creates a ton of great games themselves....

3rd party support is just gravy on Nintendo systems, Ninty are the best console game makers, thats why 3rd party titles can't comete on the Wii... They aren't up to Ninty standards.

[QUOTE="DerpyMcDerp"]

I don't like the fact that Nintendo makes a profit and is a company. I mad, I really mad.

ChubbyGuy40

OBJECTION! (I've been wanting to say this for awhile. I know you're kidding but its really fun to discuss with real/fake trolls)

If you don't like the fact that Nintendo makes profit and is a company, why do you embrace Activision and Black Ops?

Hold It! (cue theme music)

All you have is circumstantial reasoning. I'm afraid that if you don't have any direct evidence to back up your claim, then your previous statement is useless.

Your Honor, my client remains innocent of the defense's accusation.

Yes...kinda. Since the beginning of my gaming days nintendo was always the first console I bought each gen starting with SNES. However this gen I haven't bought a wii and really have no desire to. I don't hate it there just aren't enough games that interest me for it to be worth it.

The hate that the Teenage boys have for the Wii is funny... Stop the arguing, the Wii smashed the 360/PS3...

One thing is for sure, Microsoft won't release ultra unreliable hardware ever again... Sony won't ever release another 400 or 500 dollar console..

No console will release at over 299 next generation, maybe even lower..

They finally realize that a modestly powered, more economical console will win the day, just like the Wii.

Why should we expect a company to sell at loss? Just because the other two are desperately trying to get a leg up on the other.Devil-Itachi

You dont have to expect anything, If you are happy with buying hardware that is about 5 years old for nearly twice of what its worth then you can do it. Hell Nintendo will do great with fans like you.

I enjoy the Nintendo Wii.

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]Why should we expect a company to sell at loss? Just because the other two are desperately trying to get a leg up on the other.TheSterls

You dont have to expect anything, If you are happy with buying hardware that is about 5 years old for nearly twice of what its worth then you can do it. Hell Nintendo will do great with fans like you.

Nintendo has done great with fans like us... a console is NOT a PC, there is simply no need to put bleeding edge hardware on a console, just ask Sony who released a 400 dollar PS3 and Microsoft who released the 360 with bad Motherboards RROD, even the slim models tend to run pretty hot...

Microsoft and Sony got their butts handed to them by Nintendo and it's old hardware... At the end of the day it's the innovation and games that carry a system.

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]Why should we expect a company to sell at loss? Just because the other two are desperately trying to get a leg up on the other.TheSterls

You dont have to expect anything, If you are happy with buying hardware that is about 5 years old for nearly twice of what its worth then you can do it. Hell Nintendo will do great with fans like you.

*raises hand*

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]Why should we expect a company to sell at loss? Just because the other two are desperately trying to get a leg up on the other.Devil-Itachi

You dont have to expect anything, If you are happy with buying hardware that is about 5 years old for nearly twice of what its worth then you can do it. Hell Nintendo will do great with fans like you.

Making the Wii more powerful back then would not have made sense, Nintendo factored in Cost, Reliability and performance...

Evidently Nintendo made the right choices and beat Microsoft and Sony... Maybe those two companies should invest more in their software studios and actually make more quality games themselves.

Yeah used love nintendo, hate the wii. Especially the idiots who didn't know what they were buying when it first came out and paid 500+ for it :/emperorzhang66

$500 for a Wii?

Where did they buy that at?