It begins. Wii-U systems clearanced out at Costco

and it's all because people want to see more graphics instead of playing games.

Game Developers look at the system and think "It needs more Polygons, then it will sell." and promptly ignore the system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DarthSatan

That made me facepalm so hard I almost broke my own nose. Miss the ENTIRE point much?

Seems like TC is desprate for attention.

After I turned 12 I ceased to care about Nintendo, I like playing games that aren't designed for little kids.

DarthSatan

[QUOTE="L0mak"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] No arguments left...let's use sales!MonsieurX

It does have good games, but Nintendoland hasn't turned out to be the big system-seller that Wii Sports was for the Wii.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]Nintendo in 2012 gave us a console that produces the same visuals as a 2006 console... Has a deluxe version with 32GB storage... charges more than the last two consoles they have made... What self respecting gamer on this forum gives a f*** about the future of this console?runbleduck

People keep saying this and I think all you need new glasses. Tell me, what game on the xbox 360 had these quality of visuals at this LARGE OF SCALE. The only games of scale would be Skyrim and Fallout, and neither look nearly as good as Project X, let alone the draw distance of Project X from the video are much greater than those games. No game on the 360/PS3 has pulled of this level of detail plus that large scale of a map. Personally I haven't seen to many on the 360 even look that good on small levels and if they did it has no AA and is sub HD. If Monolith can do this with that large scale of a game, then image what a smaller game would look like. Imagine what Retro Studio's could do if they put metroid on it.

and it's all because people want to see more graphics instead of playing games.

Game Developers look at the system and think "It needs more Polygons, then it will sell." and promptly ignore the system.

LegatoSkyheart

Well, people want good games for a new system of course, but it's also about whether or not the actual system impresses people in one way or another.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]Nintendo in 2012 gave us a console that produces the same visuals as a 2006 console... Has a deluxe version with 32GB storage... charges more than the last two consoles they have made... What self respecting gamer on this forum gives a f*** about the future of this console?clr84651

Not a hard concept to grasp

Only die hard Nintendo fans would pay $150 more for a Wii U over a PS3 or 360. The Wii U is nothing more than a crappier version of a PS3/360 with a tablet controller and 99% fewer games. 

Wow still haven't sold out. Expect them to reduce the prices further down more. runbleduck

Hey idiot.You never answered my post.:P

Seems the Dreamcast comparisons are lining up after all.ReachRises

What reach3?

[QUOTE="runbleduck"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Have you seen Project X trailer?ryangcnx-2

People keep saying this and I think all you need new glasses. Tell me, what game on the xbox 360 had these quality of visuals at this LARGE OF SCALE. The only games of scale would be Skyrim and Fallout, and neither look nearly as good as Project X, let alone the draw distance of Project X from the video are much greater than those games. No game on the 360/PS3 has pulled of this level of detail plus that large scale of a map. Personally I haven't seen to many on the 360 even look that good on small levels and if they did it has no AA and is sub HD. If Monolith can do this with that large scale of a game, then image what a smaller game would look like. Imagine what Retro Studio's could do if they put metroid on it.

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

[QUOTE="runbleduck"] The one that looks like a mediocre xbox 360 (a 2005 console) game?Cranler

People keep saying this and I think all you need new glasses. Tell me, what game on the xbox 360 had these quality of visuals at this LARGE OF SCALE. The only games of scale would be Skyrim and Fallout, and neither look nearly as good as Project X, let alone the draw distance of Project X from the video are much greater than those games. No game on the 360/PS3 has pulled of this level of detail plus that large scale of a map. Personally I haven't seen to many on the 360 even look that good on small levels and if they did it has no AA and is sub HD. If Monolith can do this with that large scale of a game, then image what a smaller game would look like. Imagine what Retro Studio's could do if they put metroid on it.

Everyone obviously already knows that.Unless project x releases in the next year or so.

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

People keep saying this and I think all you need new glasses. Tell me, what game on the xbox 360 had these quality of visuals at this LARGE OF SCALE. The only games of scale would be Skyrim and Fallout, and neither look nearly as good as Project X, let alone the draw distance of Project X from the video are much greater than those games. No game on the 360/PS3 has pulled of this level of detail plus that large scale of a map. Personally I haven't seen to many on the 360 even look that good on small levels and if they did it has no AA and is sub HD. If Monolith can do this with that large scale of a game, then image what a smaller game would look like. Imagine what Retro Studio's could do if they put metroid on it.

super600

Everyone obviously already knows that.Unless project x releases in the next year or so.

Seriously the Wii U should be priced at $150-$199. 

clr84651

Meh even at $50 off I wouldn't buy one. In fact I wouldn't buy one for $50.Rattlesnake_8

You're crazy.

Even if the console only ends up getting 5 games that you really like (and it's very safe to say that it'll get more than that in its lifetime), surely that's worth the $50 cost of admission.

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

sailor232

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

sailor232

Yeah just look at the good looking pc games are so expensive to make compared to equivalent console ports :roll:

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"] Who said "hardcore"?... I said gamer. No elitism here so don't assume.[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]Nintendo in 2012 gave us a console that produces the same visuals as a 2006 console... Has a deluxe version with 32GB storage... charges more than the last two consoles they have made... What self respecting gamer on this forum gives a f*** about the future of this console?Grey_Eyed_Elf

show me a game that looks as good as Project X on current hardware with that scale?

The real irony is that the 3DS finally started making Nintendo a profit again, and now all the profit being made by the 3DS is being swallowed up by the losses on the Wii U.Timstuff

do you have proof to what your claiming?

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

Cranler

BO2 has money spent on a large team pumping out a yearly release, that and the biggest advertising campain in gaming. What would had happened if TW2 or Metro were flops?? Its a fact that the more graphics, bigger game world etc, the bigger the production, the bigger the costs, what happens if that game doesnt do too well? Thats alot of money and time down the drain. All you guys are asking for these magnificent masterpieces, some will pull it off yes, but others wont and it will really really hurt them.

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

El_Garbanzo

Yeah just look at the good looking pc games are so expensive to make compared to equivalent console ports :roll:

Just look at all the studios that dont exist anymore, or had to merge to stay alive.

The prices will be nice and ripe come fall :)

Nintendo just announced they had recorded a loss for the 2nd year in a row and their projections for the Wii U dropped from 5.5 million at the end of March to 4 million. That means IF they hit their 4 million mark projection, they will have only sold 200K more of their original shipment. Ouch.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="sailor232"]

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

sailor232

BO2 has money spent on a large team pumping out a yearly release, that and the biggest advertising campain in gaming. What would had happened if TW2 or Metro were flops?? Its a fact that the more graphics, bigger game world etc, the bigger the production, the bigger the costs, what happens if that game doesnt do too well? Thats alot of money and time down the drain. All you guys are asking for these magnificent masterpieces, some will pull it off yes, but others wont and it will really really hurt them.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]The real irony is that the 3DS finally started making Nintendo a profit again, and now all the profit being made by the 3DS is being swallowed up by the losses on the Wii U.Mario1331

do you have proof to what your claiming?

[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

sailor232

Yeah just look at the good looking pc games are so expensive to make compared to equivalent console ports :roll:

Just look at all the studios that dont exist anymore, or had to merge to stay alive.

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]

Yeah just look at the good looking pc games are so expensive to make compared to equivalent console ports :roll:

Cranler

Just look at all the studios that dont exist anymore, or had to merge to stay alive.

Cough cough THQ

Cough cough THQ

sailor232

a sad exception. :(

Not many people bought their games at full price. Not even me.

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Witcher 2 and Metro 2033 have much better graphics than Call of Duty yet the budget of those two games combined are probably not even half of Black Ops 2 budget. Black Ops 2 is possibly the ugliest aaa game of last year as well. Cranler

BO2 has money spent on a large team pumping out a yearly release, that and the biggest advertising campain in gaming. What would had happened if TW2 or Metro were flops?? Its a fact that the more graphics, bigger game world etc, the bigger the production, the bigger the costs, what happens if that game doesnt do too well? Thats alot of money and time down the drain. All you guys are asking for these magnificent masterpieces, some will pull it off yes, but others wont and it will really really hurt them.

So because of TW2 you think every game has a chance of being made on a 8 million or small budget, looking better than that (thats what is discussed with all the nextbox and ps4 will trounce the wiiU threads)  and succeding? So MW 2 had a budget of 45-50 million, what do you think a true next gen version would cost then? What happens if it flops, the multiplayer is crap, it still took 2 years to make in your example and most of it is cut/paste, I hope everyone will enjoy waiting a hell of a long time for there games.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]Nintendo in 2012 gave us a console that produces the same visuals as a 2006 console... Has a deluxe version with 32GB storage... charges more than the last two consoles they have made... What self respecting gamer on this forum gives a f*** about the future of this console?Cranler

[QUOTE="super600"]Anyway isn't that flash memory not harddrive memory?Zeviander

Yes because I want a HDD hanging out from my console, that looks so slick. Im sorry but Sony did it the best you can buy a 1tb HDD and stick it in the system without anyone knowing the diffrence. 

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="super600"]Anyway isn't that flash memory not harddrive memory?AM-Gamer

Yes because I want a HDD hanging out from my console, that looks so slick. Im sorry but Sony did it the best you can buy a 1tb HDD and stick it in the system without anyone knowing the diffrence. 

64 GB USB Stick for $35.

add that to 32 GB and you get 96 GB. (72 if you have an 8gb)

Space is not issue for the WiiU now.

Drop it to $200 and I will get one immediately.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="sailor232"]

Just look at all the studios that dont exist anymore, or had to merge to stay alive.

sailor232

Cough cough THQ

Add this to the skyscraping pile of western media nonsense. Self fullfilling prophecy.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="sailor232"]

BO2 has money spent on a large team pumping out a yearly release, that and the biggest advertising campain in gaming. What would had happened if TW2 or Metro were flops?? Its a fact that the more graphics, bigger game world etc, the bigger the production, the bigger the costs, what happens if that game doesnt do too well? Thats alot of money and time down the drain. All you guys are asking for these magnificent masterpieces, some will pull it off yes, but others wont and it will really really hurt them.

sailor232

So because of TW2 you think every game has a chance of being made on a 8 million or small budget, looking better than that (thats what is discussed with all the nextbox and ps4 will trounce the wiiU threads)  and succeding? So MW 2 had a budget of 45-50 million, what do you think a true next gen version would cost then? What happens if it flops, the multiplayer is crap, it still took 2 years to make in your example and most of it is cut/paste, I hope everyone will enjoy waiting a hell of a long time for there games.

Nintendo in 2012 gave us a console that produces the same visuals as a 2006 console... Has a deluxe version with 32GB storage... charges more than the last two consoles they have made... What self respecting gamer on this forum gives a f*** about the future of this console?Grey_Eyed_Elf

To be fair no self respecting gamer would game just on a 360 or PS3 either.

If the quality of the graphics increases the cost so much then why is Shenmue one of the highest budget games of all time? Why did Halo 3 have a higher budget than Crysis? Theirs so many other factors involved than just graphics quality. Cutscenes, voice acting, music, scripting. Look at the GTA 4 mods. GTA 4 had bad graphics even for 2007 yet modders in their spare time transformed it into a game that looked like it was from the future. Cranler

...Shenmue was pretty damn advanced for its time. Halo 3, at the time, was new tech. That costed, but obviously most went to marketing. Crysis was an exclusive on PC, so costs were naturally much lower. Sony has spent a great deal of money for the engines that power the God of War games and whatever Naughty Dog has crafted. That stuff is NOT cheap.

GTA4 modded is only good for screenshots. It has many flaws, not to mention still runs like sh!t for nearly everyone.

Hmm, Christmas 2013 sale, 199.99 with WW U pack in :o I'm there. :D

I cant wait for all these next gen systems to come out, watch all these studios lose money, studios go bankrupt because the public expect every game to be 5 times more graphical, more AI, more effects, grander worlds. That all costs an arm and a leg on current consoles, how much money and time are developers willing to chuck into a single game?

sailor232

Witcher 2 and Crysis say hi.I'm only expecting the ones that waste tons of money on development and marketing to go bankrupt.

Nintendo is doomed, folks. Every price drop means a system is failing... oh, wait...