it's baffling how the cancer of rampant piracy on the PC platform is overlooked

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

The fact that you guys can only come up with 2 games across all of you is all the proof I need.

arkephonic

Pretend for the sake of argument that the numbers are made up. The best you guys can do is Portal 2 and Orange Box selling better on PC?

That's all the proof I need.

There's about 1,000 multi-platform games, so go ahead and prove 500 more to me, and then we can BEGIN to debate. As of right now, it's just me steamrolling over all of you.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Still waiting for the source of your numbers,if you don´t provide one that we will all assume you just made them up.

Nanomage

Pretend for the sake of argument that the numbers are made up. The best you guys can do is Portal 2 and Orange Box selling better on PC?

That's all the proof I need.

Still waiting for your source.

The funniest part about this is that the 3 games you guys have listed have strong online components. You can't pirate the games and use the online components, making these games less susceptible to being pirated.

That said, you still have to list about 400 more multi-platform games that sold better on the PC before you can make any sort of argument.

Next up: Super Meat Boy.

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Pretend for the sake of argument that the numbers are made up. The best you guys can do is Portal 2 and Orange Box selling better on PC?

That's all the proof I need.

arkephonic

Still waiting for your source.

The funniest part about this is that the 3 games you guys have listed have strong online components. You can't pirate the games and use the online components, making these games less susceptible to being pirated.

That said, you still have to list about 400 more multi-platform games that sold better on the PC before you can make any sort of argument.

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

Nanomage

I'm actually about to go exercise. I'll make a thread about, what I believe to be common sense, and let some of the more dedicated users find sources for me.

I'll make the thread say, "What platform do multi-platform games sell more on, PC or consoles?"

Hopefully we'll get some good links in that one.

The Decline of PC gaming can be directly related to rampant piracy. Onlive might be the future of PC gaming if piracy doesn't stop. xhawk27

I'm actually about to go exercise. arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]I'm actually about to go exercise. clone01

Looks like someone's got the hots for me. Usually it's females, but whatever floats your boat.

I am gonna go work out, but I promise I'll be back!

Looks like someone's got the hots for me. arkephonic

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

So console hacking still requires a PC, that was my whole argument. I was saying that anyone hacking and pirating on consoles also does it on PC, so for every console pirate, you also have a PC pirate. This is why PC pirating will always overshadow console pirating. There are so many PC pirates out there, and only a fraction of the PC pirates pirate on consoles as well. My whole point is that EVERY pirate is a PC pirate, whether it is PC games or console games, they're all pirating from a PC.

peterw007

It's certainly possible for an overlap, but it hardly means it's a certainty.

Like I said earlier, the only way to stop both console and PC piracy is to heavily censor the internet, and no one wants to do that...so the existence of piracy is in stasis.

On one hand people are determined to beat it, but on the other hand it's impossible to beat because people value their digital freedom too much.

Except that if you knew anything about things like intranet and deep-web you'd know that even in a heavily censored internet that piracy and uncensored communication can and will ALWAYS be around. Hell, infact if you know anything that mainstream piracy comes FROM the deepweeb originally. Think of how 70's/80's pirating worked on a worldwide anonymous scale and you have deep web in a nut shell.

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

arkephonic

The problem is your rely on unknow source for your numbers... since you don't want to provide them. There's no place where you can get the numbers of sold games digital + retail world wide.

So, what's your point in the end ? To say that there's a pirating problem on PC ? Well, nobody said otherwise captain obvious... pirating a is world wide "problem" in the entertainment business.

What's obvious is you not wanting to share your source for numbers... almost as if you were ashamed/hiding something.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

Bebi_vegeta

The problem is your rely on unknow source for your numbers... since you don't want to provide them. There's no place where you can get the numbers of sold games digital + retail world wide.

So, what's your point in the end ? To say that there's a pirating problem on PC ? Well, nobody said otherwise captain obvious... pirating a is world wide "problem" in the entertainment business.

What's obvious is you not wanting to share your source for numbers... almost as if you were ashamed/hiding something.

Someone in this thread already stated that the numbers are from VGChartz.

All I was arguing was that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales continue to be so successful despite having to deal with both piracy and used game sales, whereas PC games only have to deal with piracy.

I think the fact that console software sales are where they are despite having to deal with piracy and used game sales is proof that console piracy is not a big issue, especially considering that all you ever hear about are complaints having to do with used game sales, and new, different ways to combat them.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It's certainly possible for an overlap, but it hardly means it's a certainty.

dj_pulserfan

Like I said earlier, the only way to stop both console and PC piracy is to heavily censor the internet, and no one wants to do that...so the existence of piracy is in stasis.

On one hand people are determined to beat it, but on the other hand it's impossible to beat because people value their digital freedom too much.

Except that if you knew anything about things like intranet and deep-web you'd know that even in a heavily censored internet that piracy and uncensored communication can and will ALWAYS be around. Hell, infact if you know anything that mainstream piracy comes FROM the deepweeb originally. Think of how 70's/80's pirating worked on a worldwide anonymous scale and you have deep web in a nut shell.

That's where you're wrong.

I have a very, very, very good idea of all of the different network protocols / client-to-client protocols responsible for pseudo-anonymous communication.

While the networks themselves may be very difficult to penetrate, removing access to the mechanisms that allow you to transmit illegal material is possible.

Suppose the government installed spyware on your computer that deleted all torrent clients, raided all of the seedbox and VPN services, and took down every mass torrent index.

Suppose that any database of magnet links, if found on your computer, would be immediately deleted and your computer flagged for inspection by the authorities.

Those radical initiatives would get rid of torrenting...but at the cost of becoming an internet police state.

Like I said, there's always a way.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

arkephonic

The problem is your rely on unknow source for your numbers... since you don't want to provide them. There's no place where you can get the numbers of sold games digital + retail world wide.

So, what's your point in the end ? To say that there's a pirating problem on PC ? Well, nobody said otherwise captain obvious... pirating a is world wide "problem" in the entertainment business.

What's obvious is you not wanting to share your source for numbers... almost as if you were ashamed/hiding something.

Someone in this thread already stated that the numbers are from VGChartz.

All I was arguing was that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales continue to be so successful despite having to deal with both piracy and used game sales, whereas PC games only have to deal with piracy.

I think the fact that console software sales are where they are despite having to deal with piracy and used game sales is proof that console piracy is not a big issue, especially considering that all you ever hear about are complaints having to do with used game sales, and new, different ways to combat them.

VGchartz doesn't even count DD if i'm not mistaken, which is a big pie for the PC market.

PC has it's issue, Console have their... and handheld also... like I said, it's all entertainment.

Of cours there's less pirating going on console... there's the renting and used games to help that.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

The problem is your rely on unknow source for your numbers... since you don't want to provide them. There's no place where you can get the numbers of sold games digital + retail world wide.

So, what's your point in the end ? To say that there's a pirating problem on PC ? Well, nobody said otherwise captain obvious... pirating a is world wide "problem" in the entertainment business.

What's obvious is you not wanting to share your source for numbers... almost as if you were ashamed/hiding something.

Bebi_vegeta

Someone in this thread already stated that the numbers are from VGChartz.

All I was arguing was that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales continue to be so successful despite having to deal with both piracy and used game sales, whereas PC games only have to deal with piracy.

I think the fact that console software sales are where they are despite having to deal with piracy and used game sales is proof that console piracy is not a big issue, especially considering that all you ever hear about are complaints having to do with used game sales, and new, different ways to combat them.

VGchartz doesn't even count DD if i'm not mistaken, which is a big pie for the PC market.

PC has it's issue, Console have their... and handheld also... like I said, it's all entertainment.

Of cours there's less pirating going on console... there's the renting and used games to help that.

Yeah, that's what I said.

I said that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales are as healthy as they are, despite having to deal with rental services, Gamestop, other used game stores, Craigslist, Ebay, all things that PC doesn't have to deal with.

The only thing holding PC software sales down is piracy, whereas console software has many variables to take into consideration, all of which are impactful, the least impactful being piracy. I truly believe that used game sales and rental services have a larger impact on console software sales than piracy does.

My main point was that piracy takes place on a PC, that's where the act takes place, whether it be pirating PC games or console games, the process is done on a PC. This means that every pirate has access to a PC, and not every pirate has access to a console. Plus, not every console gamer has access to a PC. I'm sure that this doesn't apply to 100% of pirates, but I think it's safe to assume that if a pirate is using their PC to pirate console games, they're also pirating PC games as well.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Someone in this thread already stated that the numbers are from VGChartz.

All I was arguing was that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales continue to be so successful despite having to deal with both piracy and used game sales, whereas PC games only have to deal with piracy.

I think the fact that console software sales are where they are despite having to deal with piracy and used game sales is proof that console piracy is not a big issue, especially considering that all you ever hear about are complaints having to do with used game sales, and new, different ways to combat them.

arkephonic

VGchartz doesn't even count DD if i'm not mistaken, which is a big pie for the PC market.

PC has it's issue, Console have their... and handheld also... like I said, it's all entertainment.

Of cours there's less pirating going on console... there's the renting and used games to help that.

Yeah, that's what I said.

I said that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales are as healthy as they are, despite having to deal with rental services, Gamestop, other used game stores, Craigslist, Ebay, all things that PC doesn't have to deal with.

The only thing holding PC software sales down is piracy, whereas console software has many variables to take into consideration, all of which are impactful, the least impactful being piracy. I truly believe that used game sales and rental services have a larger impact on console software sales than piracy does.

My main point was that piracy takes place on a PC, that's where the act takes place, whether it be pirating PC games or console games, the process is done on a PC. This means that every pirate has access to a PC, and not every pirate has access to a console. Plus, not every console gamer has access to a PC. I'm sure that this doesn't apply to 100% of pirates, but I think it's safe to assume that if a pirate is using their PC to pirate console games, they're also pirating PC games as well.

Even thought, console has other problems... it also has a reverse affect on pirating, IMO. People buy used games instead of pirating... people rent instead of pirating. You take those features out... pirating will be on the rise.

I would agree that a pirate main tool is a PC, and could be used for one or the other, or both.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

VGchartz doesn't even count DD if i'm not mistaken, which is a big pie for the PC market.

PC has it's issue, Console have their... and handheld also... like I said, it's all entertainment.

Of cours there's less pirating going on console... there's the renting and used games to help that.

Bebi_vegeta

Yeah, that's what I said.

I said that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales are as healthy as they are, despite having to deal with rental services, Gamestop, other used game stores, Craigslist, Ebay, all things that PC doesn't have to deal with.

The only thing holding PC software sales down is piracy, whereas console software has many variables to take into consideration, all of which are impactful, the least impactful being piracy. I truly believe that used game sales and rental services have a larger impact on console software sales than piracy does.

My main point was that piracy takes place on a PC, that's where the act takes place, whether it be pirating PC games or console games, the process is done on a PC. This means that every pirate has access to a PC, and not every pirate has access to a console. Plus, not every console gamer has access to a PC. I'm sure that this doesn't apply to 100% of pirates, but I think it's safe to assume that if a pirate is using their PC to pirate console games, they're also pirating PC games as well.

Even thought, console has other problems... it also has a reverse affect on pirating, IMO. People buy used games instead of pirating... people rent instead of pirating. You take those features out... pirating will be on the rise.

I would agree that a pirate main tool is a PC, and could be used for one or the other, or both.

I don't think that everyone who buys used or rents would pirate if they could no longer buy used or rent.

Believe it or not, morals do play a role in these kinds of things. It isn't illegal or morally wrong to rent something or buy something used from a credible store, but it is illegal and morally wrong to pirate something.

That's the main reason I have not and never will pirate something, because it's illegal and morally wrong to do.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

If my numbers are wrong, provide sources saying otherwise.

arkephonic

3rd attempt, still no source...

Not gonna get one either. My numbers stand until you can prove otherwise.

OK here's my numbers from my reliable source.

Mass Effect 3:

360 814,00

PS3 Elevtyseven

PC Infinity Billion

Your move.

Why don't you just admit you're quoting VGChartz so we can all have a good laugh and move on...

*Edit* Well good for you, kinda. You admitted it after someone else found out. VGChartz is nothing more than extrapolation from a small number of physical retailers. In other words, they guess about Physical sales, and don't consider DD sales at all. In other words, your numbers are worthless.

The only thing you need to know is that major publishers continue to put out many titles on the PC. Do you think they're doing so because they like losing money? Or might they know something you and VGChartz do not. :shock:

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Yeah, that's what I said.

I said that PC piracy is a bigger issue than console piracy, and this is indicative in the fact that console software sales are as healthy as they are, despite having to deal with rental services, Gamestop, other used game stores, Craigslist, Ebay, all things that PC doesn't have to deal with.

The only thing holding PC software sales down is piracy, whereas console software has many variables to take into consideration, all of which are impactful, the least impactful being piracy. I truly believe that used game sales and rental services have a larger impact on console software sales than piracy does.

My main point was that piracy takes place on a PC, that's where the act takes place, whether it be pirating PC games or console games, the process is done on a PC. This means that every pirate has access to a PC, and not every pirate has access to a console. Plus, not every console gamer has access to a PC. I'm sure that this doesn't apply to 100% of pirates, but I think it's safe to assume that if a pirate is using their PC to pirate console games, they're also pirating PC games as well.

arkephonic

Even thought, console has other problems... it also has a reverse affect on pirating, IMO. People buy used games instead of pirating... people rent instead of pirating. You take those features out... pirating will be on the rise.

I would agree that a pirate main tool is a PC, and could be used for one or the other, or both.

I don't think that everyone who buys used or rents would pirate if they could no longer buy used or rent.

Believe it or not, morals do play a role in these kinds of things. It isn't illegal or morally wrong to rent something or buy something used from a credible store, but it is illegal and morally wrong to pirate something.

That's the main reason I have not and never will pirate something, because it's illegal and morally wrong to do.

Meh, I admit it , I do some pirating on certain things, but not games... untill it actually hurts somebody... i'll stop.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Even thought, console has other problems... it also has a reverse affect on pirating, IMO. People buy used games instead of pirating... people rent instead of pirating. You take those features out... pirating will be on the rise.

I would agree that a pirate main tool is a PC, and could be used for one or the other, or both.

Bebi_vegeta

I don't think that everyone who buys used or rents would pirate if they could no longer buy used or rent.

Believe it or not, morals do play a role in these kinds of things. It isn't illegal or morally wrong to rent something or buy something used from a credible store, but it is illegal and morally wrong to pirate something.

That's the main reason I have not and never will pirate something, because it's illegal and morally wrong to do.

Meh, I admit it , I do some pirating on certain things, but not games... untill it actually hurts somebody... i'll stop.

If your guidelines in life are, "It's fair game unless I'm hurting someone", that's pretty bad.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I don't think that everyone who buys used or rents would pirate if they could no longer buy used or rent.

Believe it or not, morals do play a role in these kinds of things. It isn't illegal or morally wrong to rent something or buy something used from a credible store, but it is illegal and morally wrong to pirate something.

That's the main reason I have not and never will pirate something, because it's illegal and morally wrong to do.

arkephonic

Meh, I admit it , I do some pirating on certain things, but not games... untill it actually hurts somebody... i'll stop.

If your guidelines in life are, "It's fair game unless I'm hurting someone", that's pretty bad.

Yeah i'm a terrible human... I guess robin hood was also bad.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Meh, I admit it , I do some pirating on certain things, but not games... untill it actually hurts somebody... i'll stop.

Bebi_vegeta

If your guidelines in life are, "It's fair game unless I'm hurting someone", that's pretty bad.

Yeah i'm a terrible human... I guess robin hood was also bad.

Those are the worst kinds of pirates, the ones that have a sense of entitlement, the ones that think they're on the right end of some conspiracy theory, the ones that feel they need to steal from the rich like "Robin Hood", the ones that pirate media and games all day until they feel like it's, "worth their money".

Rather than justify it, why don't you just admit it's the wrong thing to do, it's morally wrong, legally wrong, but you do it because it's convenient and saves you some money.

If you have ever visited any of the Top torrent sites, you will see that 360 and wii piracy is almost as bad.

Oblivion

PC: 0.09

arkephonic

It's pathetic how many sales PC games get, even franchises that were once PC exclusive.

arkephonic

PC-centric IPs tend to sell more on PC, even after they go multiplat.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

If your guidelines in life are, "It's fair game unless I'm hurting someone", that's pretty bad.

arkephonic

Yeah i'm a terrible human... I guess robin hood was also bad.

Those are the worst kinds of pirates, the ones that have a sense of entitlement, the ones that think they're on the right end of some conspiracy theory, the ones that feel they need to steal from the rich like "Robin Hood", the ones that pirate media and games all day until they feel like it's, "worth their money".

Rather than justify it, why don't you just admit it's the wrong thing to do, it's morally wrong, legally wrong, but you do it because it's convenient and saves you some money.

You don't even know what I pirate... and there you go judging me like you know me or what I do.

Good for you that you don't pirate and your happy with that...

I'll admit it's illegal, but to say it's totaly wrong, I won't admit to that. Hey, you know what let's invade a country, that's legal right?

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yeah i'm a terrible human... I guess robin hood was also bad.

Bebi_vegeta

Those are the worst kinds of pirates, the ones that have a sense of entitlement, the ones that think they're on the right end of some conspiracy theory, the ones that feel they need to steal from the rich like "Robin Hood", the ones that pirate media and games all day until they feel like it's, "worth their money".

Rather than justify it, why don't you just admit it's the wrong thing to do, it's morally wrong, legally wrong, but you do it because it's convenient and saves you some money.

You don't even know what I pirate... and there you go judging me like you know me or what I do.

Good for you that you don't pirate and your happy with that...

I'll admit it's illegal, but to say it's totaly wrong, I won't admit to that. Hey, you know what let's invade a country, that's legal right?

:|

Hermits, I'm embarrassed for you.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Those are the worst kinds of pirates, the ones that have a sense of entitlement, the ones that think they're on the right end of some conspiracy theory, the ones that feel they need to steal from the rich like "Robin Hood", the ones that pirate media and games all day until they feel like it's, "worth their money".

Rather than justify it, why don't you just admit it's the wrong thing to do, it's morally wrong, legally wrong, but you do it because it's convenient and saves you some money.

arkephonic

You don't even know what I pirate... and there you go judging me like you know me or what I do.

Good for you that you don't pirate and your happy with that...

I'll admit it's illegal, but to say it's totaly wrong, I won't admit to that. Hey, you know what let's invade a country, that's legal right?

:|

Exactly...

Back then I bough music on casette... I don't have any casette players, what to do with these casettes? Is the music industrie going to give me songs back in MP3 so I can put them in my Iphone?

Let's say I want to watch Naruto (animation) translated in english... I can't even get the new episodes, I need to wait years before it gets here... that's how ridiculous it is.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

Hermits just keep stealing their games. I guess they are spending to much on there rigs to buy games. Hermits are so entited they steal games when they "don't like" some thing they did. Pricey is by far the biggest on pc but hermits will say bu bu bu teh xbox!

dontshackzmii

Piracy is bigger on PC but it is also a huge issue on consoles. Hence the posibility of no used games and constant online next gen.

lol sure it is you hermits really like to make stuff up don't you? Ps3 has pretty much zero piracy and pirates get their 360s bricked. Windows 8 is going to have a kill switch so enjoy stealing games while you still can.

Ps3 has tons of piracy since the hack. Hell, once everyone removes the padding and extra languages most games aren't much bigger than 360 releases. Even the supposed "blu-ray filling" Gran Turismo 5 is only 8 gigs LOL! 360 pirates get their bricks or at-least they use too but people have been able to change their console ID and remove bricks for YEARS now. Nice try fool.

It's baffling how the cancer of used game sales on consoles is overlooked.

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PC. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on consoles, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

arkephonic

I mean, if anything, you guys are just reinforcing my point and not even realizing it. Out of the hundreds upon hundreds of multi-platform games, you guys are struggling to even find a handful of them that sold the most on PS3. All you're doing by finding these examples is shooting yourselves in the foot, making it painfully obvious that the vast majority of multi-platform games sell the most on 360, considering you're having such a hard time finding these few and far between titles.

Have fun supporting my argument. :lol:

Have fun being an idiot without realizing that every generation since the start of video games we've always had one dominant platform while the rest sold resonably well on others just enough to keep up support. Hell, I'm surprised they even bother with the 360/Ps3/PC since the Wii has the most exclusives, most sales and highest scores out all consoles only rivaled by the PC.

Nice try though.

Rampant piracy is everywhere.

It's a return to the communist age...the idea that every man is entitled to anything he wants for free.

-

You can deal with it (SOPA), but whenever you try to, you get massive hordes of people unwilling to sacrifice their digital liberty to pursue initiatives that aren't guaranteed to work.

Piracy can be stopped...but nobody wants it to stop.

That's why it's an inconvenient truth.

Ultimately piracy exists because people on some fundamental level want it to survive.

There's just something incredibly gratifying in the ability to get whatever you want, whenever you want, for absolutely no cost to you.

peterw007

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Rampant piracy is everywhere.

It's a return to the communist age...the idea that every man is entitled to anything he wants for free.

-

You can deal with it (SOPA), but whenever you try to, you get massive hordes of people unwilling to sacrifice their digital liberty to pursue initiatives that aren't guaranteed to work.

Piracy can be stopped...but nobody wants it to stop.

That's why it's an inconvenient truth.

Ultimately piracy exists because people on some fundamental level want it to survive.

There's just something incredibly gratifying in the ability to get whatever you want, whenever you want, for absolutely no cost to you.

kaealy

True.The only way that would permantently stop piracy would be to shut down the entire entertainment industry.Piracy can't be stopped,it will always be there,in some form.Today,use of "illegal" sites on the Internet is the most popular pirating method,but even if they got taken down,pirates would switch their focus to something else...

But still,modern entertainment industry overexagerates the effects of piracy.Most of the time,its used only as an excuse for low sales when the product doesn't offer enough quality.When it comes to good products,they will always find their way to consumers willing to pay for them...

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Rampant piracy is everywhere.

It's a return to the communist age...the idea that every man is entitled to anything he wants for free.

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You can deal with it (SOPA), but whenever you try to, you get massive hordes of people unwilling to sacrifice their digital liberty to pursue initiatives that aren't guaranteed to work.

Piracy can be stopped...but nobody wants it to stop.

That's why it's an inconvenient truth.

Ultimately piracy exists because people on some fundamental level want it to survive.

There's just something incredibly gratifying in the ability to get whatever you want, whenever you want, for absolutely no cost to you.

kaealy

Yeah, many Americans have been brainwashed by the right into thinking what communism really means. Anyway you are right piracy will never be stopped, it's like stopping people from stealing. You see how well that is going. The real question is how much piracy is really affecting the bottom lines of the industry. If the the ideal situation happened where there was no piracy would that really translate into more profits for the publishers and the devs? Or would profits increase only slightly (or maybe even go down)? It's doubtful they would sky rocket like thy want you to believe. It's just too convenient of an excuse to let go of.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Oblivion

PC: 0.09

jg4xchamp

Just noticed it.

Oblivion just sold 90,000 untis on PC?

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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Oblivion

PC: 0.09

glez13

Just noticed it.

Oblivion just sold 90,000 untis on PC?

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You don't even know what I pirate... and there you go judging me like you know me or what I do.

Good for you that you don't pirate and your happy with that...

I'll admit it's illegal, but to say it's totaly wrong, I won't admit to that. Hey, you know what let's invade a country, that's legal right?

Bebi_vegeta

:|

Exactly...

Back then I bough music on casette... I don't have any casette players, what to do with these casettes? Is the music industrie going to give me songs back in MP3 so I can put them in my Iphone?

Let's say I want to watch Naruto (animation) translated in english... I can't even get the new episodes, I need to wait years before it gets here... that's how ridiculous it is.

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.glez13

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

:|

glez13

Exactly...

Back then I bough music on casette... I don't have any casette players, what to do with these casettes? Is the music industrie going to give me songs back in MP3 so I can put them in my Iphone?

Let's say I want to watch Naruto (animation) translated in english... I can't even get the new episodes, I need to wait years before it gets here... that's how ridiculous it is.

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.

Legal and subed in english... please point me out where, thank you. I'd be real interested in knowing how legal they are... and Naruto was one of many animation exemple.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Exactly...

Back then I bough music on casette... I don't have any casette players, what to do with these casettes? Is the music industrie going to give me songs back in MP3 so I can put them in my Iphone?

Let's say I want to watch Naruto (animation) translated in english... I can't even get the new episodes, I need to wait years before it gets here... that's how ridiculous it is.

Bebi_vegeta

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.

Legal and subed in english... please point me out where, thank you.

You can legally find the episodes at crunchyroll.com, and if you pay for a subscription, you can get the episodes right after they air in Japan with subtitles.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.

peterw007

Legal and subed in english... please point me out where, thank you.

You can legally find the episodes at crunchyroll.com, and if you pay for a subscription, you can get the episodes right after they air in Japan with subtitles.

Hmm, pretty cool. Looks like a netflix thing.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Exactly...

Back then I bough music on casette... I don't have any casette players, what to do with these casettes? Is the music industrie going to give me songs back in MP3 so I can put them in my Iphone?

Let's say I want to watch Naruto (animation) translated in english... I can't even get the new episodes, I need to wait years before it gets here... that's how ridiculous it is.

Bebi_vegeta

Isn't Naruto broadcasted worldwide since like a few years ago? There is some site that has the legal subs stream like a few hours or a day after the japanese broadcast.

Legal and subed in english... please point me out where, thank you. I'd be real interested in knowing how legal they are... and Naruto was one of many animation exemple.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/ The best site by far for legal anime simulcast in terms of amount of new series they get, site layout,Video player functionality,and video quality(1080p streaming if you pay for premium $7 a month). There also http://www.niconico.com/anime which for now is 720p and doesn't cost anything since there promoting.

What i find worse is that some gamers feel they have a reason to pirate because "It's teh better version"

Piracy sucks, it is a sad fact that pretty much every industry faces and it's a problem that is not going anywhere any time soon. I think that as legitimate pc gamers we are being screwed over because so many people do pirate. Developers see, whether true or not, that they will lose money developing games for pc, so we miss out on good games that we should be playing.

I don't like the argument that pirates will pirate only and never pay for a game if they could not pirate it. Some people will still not buy it and some will, simple. One can't think in absolutes in this situation. So in theory without piracy game sales may increase. They may also decrese, per those who say they pirate to "try the game out." Point is, we will never know unless there is no piracy, and since that is not gonna happen we just have to live with what we have. We will get some high end pc games, but we will also miss out on some big series because of it.