Its hardly a fair fight; $250 3DS versus $250 PS Vita

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

becouse 3DS graphic is so bad casual dont care about it. i mean what the reason for buying 3DS when smarthphone can do better.

interestingly i probably will get this and use it as my main multimedia device. i rarely use my phone and my phone suck (also cheap and small so i dont care about being steal or lost)

r12qi

then again DS is $100 cheaper than PSP. now 3DS is as same as Vita. it's no brainer for non nintendo fan (including casual) to buy Vita offer 3DS

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"]

The one with analog controls.

Bigboi500

I feel like Sony doesn't get handheld gaming at all. The main people that buy handhelds are hardcore/loyal Nintendo and Sony fans, and kids. With this type of info, Sony should be pushing for their franchises like Jak and Daxtor, Ratchet, and Sly to be on the handheld before they even think about any other games.

Lil Big Planet and MN racers is a start, but even then their brand isn't as recognized by kids (and parents) as Mario, and Mario kart.

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] The DS had bad graphics compared to the PSP and smart phones, it's sold more than twice as much than the PSP (or nearly twice as much) and made nintendo lots of money . The Wii has much worse graphics than the 360 and PS3, it's sold much more than both of them. I fail to see the point you're trying to make. You may buy it for the multimedia functionality but for me I already have things in my pocket that can watch videos, access the internet, be used to make calls among other things, the only buying point for me is the games.soulitane

then again DS is $100 cheaper than PSP. now 3DS is as same as Vita. it's no brainer for non nintendo fan (including casual) to buy Vita offer 3DS

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

r12qi

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

then again DS is $100 cheaper than PSP. now 3DS is as same as Vita. it's no brainer for non nintendo fan (including casual) to buy Vita offer 3DS

r12qi

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

I'm very impressed with the Vita and I already have a 3DS. Might as well have the best of both worlds. I think I'm gonna primarily play on handhelds next gen.

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] What do you mean including casual? Are you saying that it's a no brainer for a casual to get a Vita? They offer different experience, so it's not really a no brainer. soulitane

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

ehh have you seen Vita game?. it offer harcore game like uncharted to small game like sound shape. not to mention vita will have strong support from mobile game maker becouse of familiar achitecture and game engine and connetivity to smartphone thanks to PSsuite.

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

Bigboi500

This. The PSP was significantly more powerful than the DS.

It all comes down to software and where as both sides have their heavy hitters, I believe Nintendo will "win" the handheld race this gen with their mega-hits like Pokemon and Mario. With that said, the word win is in quotation marks for a reason: it all doesn't matter, in my opinion. I feel the Vita and 3DS are going to appeal two different markets. I also believe the Vita will do significantly better than the PSP.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

if you Casual gamer and want dedicated gaming system. Vita is obvious choice offer 3DS. it have more graphical power, more input device like dual analog. offer more multimedia contecn. those at same priced. as 3DS

r12qi

ehh have you seen Vita game?. it offer harcore game like uncharted to small game like sound shape. not to mention vita will have strong support from mobile game maker becouse of familiar achitecture and game engine and connetivity to smartphone thanks to PSsuite.

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] It's not an obvious choice, it comes down to personal preference, does it have the games they want though? You haven't mentioned anything about the games, what if the Vita doesn't have the games they want? In the end at the moment we can't say which will be more popular, non of your points can be substantiated considering we know next to nothing about the games that are on the Vita.soulitane

ehh have you seen Vita game?. it offer harcore game like uncharted to small game like sound shape. not to mention vita will have strong support from mobile game maker becouse of familiar achitecture and game engine and connetivity to smartphone thanks to PSsuite.

assuming the game is not using button...

and not too powerfull like uncharted

Why 3DS won't fail? Because Nintendo can draw on franchises like:

Super Mario
Paper Mario
Pokemon
Zelda
Kirby
Starfox
Donkey Kong
Mario Kart
Smash Bros.
WarioWare
Advanced Wars
Fire Emblem
Kid Icarus
Metroid
Animal Crossing
Pikmin
F-Zero
Wave Race
Professor Layton
Chibi-Robo
Punch-Out!!
Excitebike
Earthbound
Golden Sun
Custom Robo
needless to say, etc.

Brought to you courtesy of...

Nintendo EAD 1,2,3,4,5
Nintendo SPD
Project Sora
Game Freak
HAL Labs
Retro Studios
Intelligent Systems
Brownie Brown
Monolith Soft
Grezzo
etc.

Oh yeah, and I hear third parties might make a game or two as well. Something about Resident Evil, Contra, Blazblue, Shin Megami Tensei, Ace Combat, Metal Gear, Mega Man Legends, Cave Story, Kingdom Hearts and the like?

I think too many people are jumping the gun when they start declaring the 3DS dead. Will Vita be a threat to the 3DS? Yes, but the most important thing to remember is that games sell systems. Many of this gen's best selling games were from Nintendo and it looks like Nintendo is not taking any chances when it comes to the 3DS' library. The system is not even a year old, and we're already getting a 3D Mario, a Zelda game, Starfox, and other games to help the libary.

Now, the thing most people assume is that Vita will defeat the 3DS because it launches at the same price point and boasts superior hardware and features. While this is a fine argument, its overlooks one key element. Nintendo has more room to drop the 3DS' price to counter any momentum Vita may gain at launch. By using less-powerful hardware, Nintendo can drop the price as needed. From what I've read, Vita is using 400 hundred dollar technology that is being sold at a loss. Clearly, Sony is banking that Nintendo won't drop the price of the 3DS immediately and their superior hardware will lure away customers that were eying the 3DS.

The battle could be close, but if Nintendo decides to drop the price of the 3DS then Sony could be in trouble. If they are taking losses with the Vita, then they can't risk facing Nintendo in a price war. If they lower the price to counter Nintendo, then they risk losing more money. If they stay at 250 dollars and Nintendo drops the 3DS to 200 dollars then consumers may go for the cheaper 3DS.

In the end, Sony is taking a huge gamble with the Vita. I do see it doing well, but it still faces an uphill battle against Nintendo. Everyone seems to be forgetting that Nintendo has defeated every contender that has tried to take over their leadership of the handheld market. Arguably, there is no one that understands handhelds and the marketplace better then Nintendo.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

ehh have you seen Vita game?. it offer harcore game like uncharted to small game like sound shape. not to mention vita will have strong support from mobile game maker becouse of familiar achitecture and game engine and connetivity to smartphone thanks to PSsuite.

r12qi

assuming the game is not using button...

and not too powerfull like uncharted

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] Hardcore? Uncharted? Not really. I've seen most of the games that have been announced for the Vita. So now I can play the games that devs make for my phone that I already carry around with me everywhere on another device?soulitane

assuming the game is not using button...

and not too powerfull like uncharted

well if you think somthing like angry bird: yes

if you think somthing like uncharted and anything plublised by sony: no

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

assuming the game is not using button...

and not too powerfull like uncharted

r12qi

well if you think somthing like angry bird: yes

if you think somthing like uncharted and anything plublised by sony: no

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

aroxx_ab

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

aroxx_ab

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

Once again, people of all ages play Mario and other Nintendo games.

Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?

Pokemon does not have monster sales with every entry just because of only Kids. A good number of adults of both genders play Pokemon as well.

If anything, Nintendo are masters are creating games that people of all ages can enjoy.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

aroxx_ab

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

I'm sure Ninty games are aim for everyone.

*sigh* Are we declaring the 3DS dead already... again? Did nobody learn anything from last time around? How will the 3DS survive? Because it's getting a crap ton of games, that's how. Before this year is over, it will have Super Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, BlazBlue, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Super Mario, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Luigi's Mansion, Shin Megami Tensei, Cave Story... by the time the PS Vita launches, the 3DS will have a significantly entrenched library. GAMES SELL SYSTEMS. Should I buy the VIta just for Uncharted, or do I go for the 3DS, with so many good games akready? Seems like a laughably easy choice... Yes, the Vita will get more games too, but the 3DS has already established a lead, in terms of both hardware sales and software available, that will be almost impossible to overcome by that point.charizard1605

Indeed it will be fine (more than fine) because of games (and the brand). I am not extremely happy with the 3DS hardware and price, but I am with the Vita, that said, I cannot deny myself the joy of the amazing lineup the 3DS has. It is amazing really, and if all the games coming are as good as they should be, I will have no choice but to buy one. I cannot believe they are bringing Super Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, OoT, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus and more to the 3DS before the end of the year.

Nintendo is in deep ****. 3DS graphics look awful compared to the Vita, and Nintendo has no price advantage.

The price does make the decision harder for me. But the difference with Nintendo is that they have the "charm". The problem with the PSP was that its games felt like watered down PS2 ports, where as the DS had fun and unique handhelds games. But now the playing field has evened out a bit with PSVita having two analogs and two touch pads.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

aroxx_ab

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

The next product I may end up buying from Nintendo will be the Wii U, but as of now I am iffy of it.

I have always been for Sony and Nintendo, but Nintendo really let me down with the Wii.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

aroxx_ab

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

Haven't heard that one since 2003.

Nintendo fans on this site have become incredibly stalwart in thier defence of the big N.

Well if The Vita can pull off, Call of duty and battlefield console experience on the go? things will get intereseting

Nintendo is in deep ****. 3DS graphics look awful compared to the Vita, and Nintendo has no price advantage.

RawDeal_basic

Again, they have more room to drop the 3DS' price to counter the Vita. Because Nintendo is using less powerful hardware fir the 3DS, the can more readily drop the price without taking massive losses.

From everything I've read about the Vita, Sony is trying to sell 400 dollar hardware at a loss in the hopes of building up their userbase. Because of this, it will be much harder for Sony to engage in a price war if Nintendo decides to drop the price of the 3DS.

Do you honestly think Nintendo will keep the 3DS at 250 dollars forever? Trust me, if they sense sales are lagging or Sony is gaining momentum they will drop the price for the 3DS. And if they can time it around the release of a major title like Pokemon, then they can shut down Sony very quickly.

Sony is taking a massive gamble that banks on the hope that the 3DS remains 250 dollars. If Nintendo decides to drop the price, then we could see a repeat of the battle between the DS and the PSP.

Don't forget, Nintendo dropped the price of the DS several times over its lifespan. Its foolish to think they won't do the same thing with the 3DS. One advantage of using less powerful hardware is the fact that the price can be dropped more easily with fewer risks of taking bigger losses.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]*sigh* Are we declaring the 3DS dead already... again? Did nobody learn anything from last time around? How will the 3DS survive? Because it's getting a crap ton of games, that's how. Before this year is over, it will have Super Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, BlazBlue, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Super Mario, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Luigi's Mansion, Shin Megami Tensei, Cave Story... by the time the PS Vita launches, the 3DS will have a significantly entrenched library. GAMES SELL SYSTEMS. Should I buy the VIta just for Uncharted, or do I go for the 3DS, with so many good games akready? Seems like a laughably easy choice... Yes, the Vita will get more games too, but the 3DS has already established a lead, in terms of both hardware sales and software available, that will be almost impossible to overcome by that point.NaveedLife

Indeed it will be fine (more than fine) because of games (and the brand). I am not extremely happy with the 3DS hardware and price, but I am with the Vita, that said, I cannot deny myself the joy of the amazing lineup the 3DS has. It is amazing really, and if all the games coming are as good as they should be, I will have no choice but to buy one. I cannot believe they are bringing Super Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, OoT, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus and more to the 3DS before the end of the year.

Sheep are crazy.

3rd Party developers have always been the key to success.

Gamecube and N64 had the first party games but it pales in comparison to the library of PS1/2.

Let's not pronounce any winner yet before it even starts.

But if you're gonna compare the hardware of PS Vita and3DS vs their price...it does pale in comparison. I Hope this gives Ninty an incentive to a price cut.

nitekids2004

Sheep are crazy.

3rd Party developers have always been the key to success.

Gamecube and N64 had the first party games but it pales in comparison to the library of PS1/2.

Let's not pronounce any winner yet before it even starts.

But if you're gonna compare the hardware of PS Vita and3DS vs their price...it does pale in comparison. I Hope this gives Ninty an incentive to a price cut.

nitekids2004

Nintendo handhelds have always had great third party support, so this is not much of a concern for the 3DS yet. Besides, the 3DS has great third-party support with numerous companies pledging their support for the system.

Could that change? Of course, but third party support is not currently an issue for the 3DS.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]*sigh* Are we declaring the 3DS dead already... again? Did nobody learn anything from last time around? How will the 3DS survive? Because it's getting a crap ton of games, that's how. Before this year is over, it will have Super Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, BlazBlue, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Super Mario, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Luigi's Mansion, Shin Megami Tensei, Cave Story... by the time the PS Vita launches, the 3DS will have a significantly entrenched library. GAMES SELL SYSTEMS. Should I buy the VIta just for Uncharted, or do I go for the 3DS, with so many good games akready? Seems like a laughably easy choice... Yes, the Vita will get more games too, but the 3DS has already established a lead, in terms of both hardware sales and software available, that will be almost impossible to overcome by that point.charizard1605

Indeed it will be fine (more than fine) because of games (and the brand). I am not extremely happy with the 3DS hardware and price, but I am with the Vita, that said, I cannot deny myself the joy of the amazing lineup the 3DS has. It is amazing really, and if all the games coming are as good as they should be, I will have no choice but to buy one. I cannot believe they are bringing Super Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, OoT, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus and more to the 3DS before the end of the year.

GC and N64 had all the Ninty 1st party games but got stomped in library by PS 1/2...

oh well.. /shrug

Nintendo fans on this site have become incredibly stalwart in thier defence of the big N.

Well if The Vita can pull off, Call of duty and battlefield console experience on the go? things will get intereseting

Zaibach

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

aroxx_ab

Once again, people of all ages play Mario and other Nintendo games.

Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?

Pokemon does not have monster sales with every entry just because of only Kids. A good number of adults of both genders play Pokemon as well.

If anything, Nintendo are masters are creating games that people of all ages can enjoy.

Ya all can play Kidtendos games, same way all can watch movies for kids. Sometimes it can be fun even for grown up people. Yeah they get one or two games like Ninja gaiden but for every game like that they get kinda 100 kiddo games.

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Yeah it's not a fair fight with the 3DS having all those great games and Vita only having Uncharted...

slothboyadvance

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

Haven't heard that one since 2003.

Ya because all knows it already so not needed to mention.

Little Big Planet with touchscreen integration is by far the best promise of a handheld game ever.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Indeed it will be fine (more than fine) because of games (and the brand). I am not extremely happy with the 3DS hardware and price, but I am with the Vita, that said, I cannot deny myself the joy of the amazing lineup the 3DS has. It is amazing really, and if all the games coming are as good as they should be, I will have no choice but to buy one. I cannot believe they are bringing Super Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, OoT, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus and more to the 3DS before the end of the year.

nitekids2004

GC and N64 had all the Ninty 1st party games but got stomped in library by PS 1/2...

oh well.. /shrug

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Sheep are crazy.

3rd Party developers have always been the key to success.

Gamecube and N64 had the first party games but it pales in comparison to the library of PS1/2.

Let's not pronounce any winner yet before it even starts.

But if you're gonna compare the hardware of PS Vita and3DS vs their price...it does pale in comparison. I Hope this gives Ninty an incentive to a price cut.

caryslan2

Nintendo handhelds have always had great third party support, so this is not much of a concern for the 3DS yet. Besides, the 3DS has great third-party support with numerous companies pledging their support for the system.

Could that change? Of course, but third party support is not currently an issue for the 3DS.

Right now, I don't see the 3rd Party Support on 3DS (lineup is meh tbh). It will really depend on sales. Developers have often flocked to the best selling console/handheld.

It may be another GBA/DS or it may beanother PSP.. who knows.

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Great games for "kids" ya, as always with Kidtendo.

aroxx_ab

Haven't heard that one since 2003.

Ya because all knows it already so not needed to mention.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Sheep are crazy.

3rd Party developers have always been the key to success.

Gamecube and N64 had the first party games but it pales in comparison to the library of PS1/2.

Let's not pronounce any winner yet before it even starts.

But if you're gonna compare the hardware of PS Vita and3DS vs their price...it does pale in comparison. I Hope this gives Ninty an incentive to a price cut.

charizard1605

But expect bigger third party support on vita at the end. consider smaal dev already in like vanillaware and acquire and much bigger support on game engine like unreal 3 and cryengine

[QUOTE="caryslan2"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Sheep are crazy.

3rd Party developers have always been the key to success.

Gamecube and N64 had the first party games but it pales in comparison to the library of PS1/2.

Let's not pronounce any winner yet before it even starts.

But if you're gonna compare the hardware of PS Vita and3DS vs their price...it does pale in comparison. I Hope this gives Ninty an incentive to a price cut.

nitekids2004

Nintendo handhelds have always had great third party support, so this is not much of a concern for the 3DS yet. Besides, the 3DS has great third-party support with numerous companies pledging their support for the system.

Could that change? Of course, but third party support is not currently an issue for the 3DS.

Right now, I don't see the 3rd Party Support on 3DS (lineup is meh tbh). It will really depend on sales. Developers have often flocked to the best selling console/handheld.

It may be another GBA/DS or it may beanother PSP.. who knows.

GC and N64 had all the Ninty 1st party games but got stomped in library by PS 1/2...

oh well.. /shrugnitekids2004

Nintendo has had a solid dominance over the handheld market for over two decades. Its a different scenario.

The 3DS really looks over-priced next to the PS Vita. Either Sony is losing a ton of money or Nintendo is really ripping you off. I dont see how the 3DS can hold its price point when the Vita launches.

Videodogg

They're selling it at a loss.

Nintendo is ripping you off

Considering its hardware isn't as capable as what the Vita is toting, then yes, they are ripping us off.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Exactly. Yeah, the 3DS hardware is not as powerful as it *could* be... but then, the DS was incredibly underpowered too. Remember how that turned out? It was the games that sold the DS. The 3DS seems to be getting more games in its first year than any other system till date. We're talking about a major Mario title, a major Zelda title, a major Mario Kart title, the return of two dormant franchises (Kid Icarus and Star Fox), fan favorites (Luigi's Mansion and Paper Mario) as well as third party support like Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil... and all of this *before* the system is even a year old. Now that's a lineup that trumps any other. But apparently, the people on this board are too busy playing with specs and numbers to care much about the games. Ah well. Their loss.charizard1605

GC and N64 had all the Ninty 1st party games but got stomped in library by PS 1/2...

oh well.. /shrug

Sheep are always saying the 1st Party Games will win it for them.... but look at N64 and GC. 3DS still lacks 3rd Party Support IMO. Its too early to start proclaiming a winner.

TC is just pointing out the hardware difference and the price. Didn't even understood why it suddenly shifted to games.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]GC and N64 had all the Ninty 1st party games but got stomped in library by PS 1/2...

oh well.. /shrugKaze_no_Mirai

Nintendo has had a solid dominance over the handheld market for over two decades. Its a different scenario.

Doesn't matter. THey had a dominance in the console market for a decade as well. Every gen, its a restart.