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Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. Rahnyc4So, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way?
companies on consoles are going bankurpt, heck look at the history of consoles.
companies on the pc are being made, in fact pc gaming has already seen a few new companies and indie game devs
[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. JandurinSo, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way? 3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusives
companies on consoles are going bankurpt, heck look at the history of consoles.
companies on the pc are being made, in fact pc gaming has already seen a few new companies and indie game devs
Plenty of PC developers go down.[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. JandurinSo, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way? There only making more money, to make up the heavy loss from developing that game. If this was last gen, most of the games you see would stay exclusive to that native console. Exclusives is a deciding factor of what makes a great console. Most consoles of past wouldn't be as great as they were with out these key exclusives.
3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesmubarakibnumarLike what?
HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industryNo global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.
You would not said that in 2006/07
mamkem6
[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesJandurinLike what? Weeellll the tekkens,the final fantasies, the persons,ridge racer,virtua fighter etc i mean there are more 3rd party exlusives on the ps2 than the total combined number of ps3 and xbo360 games.
its clearly HD gaming thats actually killing the industry. theres too many companies now who are either shutting down, going bankrupt or losing money this gen. This gen is taking a hard toll on third party companies.
I guess were not ready for HD gaming, cause third parties sure arent. Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to.
its because there force to, because they have to make up the money loss from developing these high quality games. We need to start figuring out what company is going to shut down or merge with another. HD gaming is killing this industry slowly, yet were putting the blame on nintendo, which is starting to give these companies a second shot.
The blame should go to HD gaming, because its killing companies and causing people to lose their jobs. whats the next gaming studio to shut down, seriously! Rahnyc4
That's not a bad point, but I don't think you should use the term "HD gaming". You should really just say games designed to meet quality standards of the Xbox 360/PS3. Alot of these companies can't seem to keep up with technology, not even the good ones. Alot of these great games released recently will probably never see a profit, and with factors like piracy there isn't alot of room for improvement. The industry is far from dieing, but the expectations of developers is getting a bit too high, too quickly. Look at games like Haze, from the now (Sadly :( ) finished developer Free Radical. Very skilled developers produce one shody title that they put alot of work into, and the company is soon out of pocket. Things like this are very troubling, and the current recession dosn't help at all. The Wii atleast lets developers take it easy for a time, while they get everything straight.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesmubarakibnumarLike what? Weeellll the tekkens,the final fantasies, the persons,ridge racer,virtua fighter etc i mean there are more 3rd party exlusives on the ps2 than the total combined number of ps3 and xbo360 games.
Of corse there are more 3rd party games on PS2. It was the dominant console 2000-2006
lol I like how you started your post with "clearly"
The reason there were so many exclusives on the PS2 last gen was because the console was a monster. Everybody had a PS2. You didn't have to take your game to the GC or Xbox because everyone had a PS2.
This gen though, that console is the Wii. And since devs aren't making their games for the Wii, they need to make it multiplatform betweem the PS3 and the 360 so that they can have the sales of two machines to make up for not having the sales of the highest selling console.
There's also the whole "world economic crysis" that you forgot to mention there.
RuinedMachine
and apparently it is still not enough because there are only a handfull of western devs that are making profits.
The reality is that nintendo is making more profit than the entire industry.
WasntAvailable37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling.
If game companies can't evolve and adapt with the times....well there's always handhelds. TeufelhuhnTell that to EA,Eidos,Take2,Midway and other failing western devs.
Maybe the Wii hardware. 360 is still software king.The reality is that nintendo is make more profit than the entire industry.
mubarakibnumar
I am sorry. evrytime I looked at teh sales charts I see wii fit and wii play, The fact people are buying that crap instead quality games is proof enough that it is not onlthe HD consoles hurting gaming.too_much_eslimmaybe, you know.. maybe they cant afford these HD consoles, you know giving the current economy.
[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]Jandurin37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling. A poorly made HD game needs at the least 500,000 units just to break even.
[QUOTE="killerfist"]nothing is killing the gaming industry. The industry is growing last time I checked. Rahnyc4thanks to nintendo. Really? Half of the number of million sellers on the Nintendo are by Nintendo. Sounds like Nintendo is growing themselves. I'd say 85% of the million sellers sales are Nintendos alone.
A poorly made HD game needs at the least 500,000 units just to break even.mubarakibnumarI showed you MILLION sellers.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. mubarakibnumarSo, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way? 3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusives Because the GC and Xbox ended the gen. with 20 something million units sold while the PS2 is still selling and is well above 110 million units sold. This gen. is not like last gen. Devs could make multiplats for GC, XBOX and PS2 and most did. You can't do that know, the Wii is too different so most multiplats are PS3/360/PC. Not to mention the fact that the PS3 and 360 are so close in total userbase make it worthwhile to make multiplats. The Wii may be dominating but it still doesnt allow for easy ports so a 3rd party dev would have to make the game exclusive to the Wii or a PS2/Wii port. Thats not something they like to do unless they are guaranteed sales and the Wii is not known for strong 3rd party sales.
[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]Maybe the Wii hardware. 360 is still software king.Yup, I'd say that any dev/pub who made a good game for 360 have been pleased with their return on investment and is hard at work on another. :)The reality is that nintendo is make more profit than the entire industry.
Jandurin
[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]Jandurin37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling. top 5 multi-million dollar sellers are on the wii, whats your point? there selling millions, but is it actually making the companies that invested in these games money they've loss?
It's a combination of mainly two factors: the increased cost of producing a game, and the lack of a secondary, long-tail market for games.
You look at movies, they have get released into the theater where they do a 1-month run. But then after that, the DVD comes out and sells for years and years, everywhere. Same thing with music and books. A big sales explosion upon release, followed by years and years of slow but steady sales.
Videogames don't have that. If a game doesn't sell within the first two to three weeks of release, it's effectively dead. That's it. There is no other market the publisher can turn to for steady, long-term sales. The game will go into the "used game" bin at GameStop where it will be left to die, but the publisher doesn't see one red cent from those sales.
Combine that with the fact that hit game budgets are beginning to approach hit movie budgets, and you have the makings of an unhealthy entertainment industry. That's what the videogame industry is right now; unhealthy.
The game publishers are in an increasingly open war with the retailers because of this, and the publishers have been forced to make the business more and more hit-driven, far moreso than the music, movie or book businesses. In a hit-driven business, profits from the sale of a handful of hit games are used to finance the development of the games that lose money (which is most of them.) In the game business, the goal now isn't merely to create a hit, it's to create a franchise.
This is unsustainable, especially if the next generation of consoles brings a leap in technology, with the attendant leap in budgets.
this article is a really good read
http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/17/recession-hits-the-game-industry/
[QUOTE="mamkem6"]HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industryNo global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.
You would not said that in 2006/07
Rahnyc4
Nice. You you choose to ignore that maybe people aren't buying these games because of the economy. Awesome arguement there. HD gaming isn't killing anything. There is a global economic crisis going on. Even if there were no HD gaming you would still see studios closing.
[QUOTE="mamkem6"]HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industry so no dev's went bust before the advent of HD gaming thenNo global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.
You would not said that in 2006/07
Rahnyc4
I know I will still be getting games as long as there is an internet, I can look for jobs and play free games in a ression.
games like guildwars and maybe wow will be around
You obviously weren't around in the early nineties when studios popped up, closed down, merged and re-invented themselves practically weekly
The games industry has been much more chaotic then it is now in the past, HD gaming isn't really doing any damage, we have 2 clear viable HD platforms that it is relatively simple to port from/to that have a stable user base, in the past we have had many more consoles fighting for a smaller market each with its own practically unique programming style. You REALLY had to go out and a limb to develop a game then, if the system you were working with suddenly became out of favor you could find yourself with staff that had to learn to code for something new all over again
things are pretty stable now, as seen by the flurry of First time and inde devs making games like The Witcher, STALKER, Braid etc etc. ;
just because some studios are closing dosen't mean we should abandon progress
It's also a good thing pc gaming doesn't needalot of adds. here is another link people should look at
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/12/17/why-the-nintendo-wii-is-really-the-console-in-trouble-yes-really/
its clearly HD gaming thats actually killing the industry. theres too many companies now who are either shutting down, going bankrupt or losing money this gen. This gen is taking a hard toll on third party companies.
I guess were not ready for HD gaming, cause third parties sure arent. Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to.
its because there force to, because they have to make up the money loss from developing these high quality games. We need to start figuring out what company is going to shut down or merge with another. HD gaming is killing this industry slowly, yet were putting the blame on nintendo, which is starting to give these companies a second shot.
The blame should go to HD gaming, because its killing companies and causing people to lose their jobs. whats the next gaming studio to shut down, seriously! Rahnyc4
I dont agree with your statement about HD is the blame, but I agree with the logic. The only difference between this gen and others is that you have the means to access the health of the industry (forums, blogs, gaming sites). With that wealth of resources available, you are able to see the various mom and pop devs come and go from the business. Its no different from the Atari and NES days where there were many influential devs in the business that tanked when the next generation system launched (anyone remember Data East?).
"Its a dog eat dog world", "only the strong survive", "innovate or die" are all great quotes to live from. In a game where large portfolios and deep pockets still fight for a place in the market, it leave very lil space for the one or two hot IP camps...
Game On...
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