Its Not The WII Thats Killing The Gaming Industry, Its HD Gaming That Is

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its clearly HD gaming thats actually killing the industry. theres too many companies now who are either shutting down, going bankrupt or losing money this gen. This gen is taking a hard toll on third party companies.

I guess were not ready for HD gaming, cause third parties sure arent. Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to.

its because there force to, because they have to make up the money loss from developing these high quality games. We need to start figuring out what company is going to shut down or merge with another. HD gaming is killing this industry slowly, yet were putting the blame on nintendo, which is starting to give these companies a second shot.

The blame should go to HD gaming, because its killing companies and causing people to lose their jobs. whats the next gaming studio to shut down, seriously!
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#2 HappyAppe
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The economy sure isn't helping.

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Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. Rahnyc4
So, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way?
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#4 Rahnyc4
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it only means that nintendo had it planed out ahead of every one else. either that or they took a risk at the right time.
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#5 blackdreamhunk
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companies on consoles are going bankurpt, heck look at the history of consoles.

companies on the pc are being made, in fact pc gaming has already seen a few new companies and indie game devs

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#6 mamkem6
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No global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.

You would not said that in 2006/07

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[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. Jandurin
So, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way?

3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusives
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#8 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

companies on consoles are going bankurpt, heck look at the history of consoles.

companies on the pc are being made, in fact pc gaming has already seen a few new companies and indie game devs

Plenty of PC developers go down.
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[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. Jandurin
So, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way?

There only making more money, to make up the heavy loss from developing that game. If this was last gen, most of the games you see would stay exclusive to that native console. Exclusives is a deciding factor of what makes a great console. Most consoles of past wouldn't be as great as they were with out these key exclusives.
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3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesmubarakibnumar
Like what?
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#11 SecretPolice
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Progress through innovation and improvement may thin out the weak and make healthier the strong but is usually never a bad thing in the overall big picture. I love HD gaming and could never go back to the old days with only SD.
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oh where is interplay oh where atarri look at midway how they have all fallen left pc gaming only to die lol
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No global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.

You would not said that in 2006/07

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HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industry
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#14 insanewolfninja
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Its people like you that kill system wars.
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#15 blackdreamhunk
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Even sony are slowly falling apart just like sega and their consoles.
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#16 too_much_eslim
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I am sorry. evrytime I looked at teh sales charts I see wii fit and wii play, The fact people are buying that crap instead quality games is proof enough that it is not onlthe HD consoles hurting gaming.
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#17 killerfist
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nothing is killing the gaming industry. The industry is growing last time I checked.
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[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesJandurin
Like what?

Weeellll the tekkens,the final fantasies, the persons,ridge racer,virtua fighter etc i mean there are more 3rd party exlusives on the ps2 than the total combined number of ps3 and xbo360 games.
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#19 h575309
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The quality of gaming on the Wii is atrocious and people are still buying it up. Thats what people mean by Wii is killing gaming. I am pretty sure gaming is doing just fine since theres million sellers all over the place and this year has some of the best games of this generation.
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#20 RuinedMachine
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lol I like how you started your post with "clearly"



The reason there were so many exclusives on the PS2 last gen was because the console was a monster. Everybody had a PS2. You didn't have to take your game to the GC or Xbox because everyone had a PS2.


This gen though, that console is the Wii. And since devs aren't making their games for the Wii, they need to make it multiplatform betweem the PS3 and the 360 so that they can have the sales of two machines to make up for not having the sales of the highest selling console.


There's also the whole "world economic crysis" that you forgot to mention there.
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its clearly HD gaming thats actually killing the industry. theres too many companies now who are either shutting down, going bankrupt or losing money this gen. This gen is taking a hard toll on third party companies.

I guess were not ready for HD gaming, cause third parties sure arent. Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to.

its because there force to, because they have to make up the money loss from developing these high quality games. We need to start figuring out what company is going to shut down or merge with another. HD gaming is killing this industry slowly, yet were putting the blame on nintendo, which is starting to give these companies a second shot.

The blame should go to HD gaming, because its killing companies and causing people to lose their jobs. whats the next gaming studio to shut down, seriously! Rahnyc4

That's not a bad point, but I don't think you should use the term "HD gaming". You should really just say games designed to meet quality standards of the Xbox 360/PS3. Alot of these companies can't seem to keep up with technology, not even the good ones. Alot of these great games released recently will probably never see a profit, and with factors like piracy there isn't alot of room for improvement. The industry is far from dieing, but the expectations of developers is getting a bit too high, too quickly. Look at games like Haze, from the now (Sadly :( ) finished developer Free Radical. Very skilled developers produce one shody title that they put alot of work into, and the company is soon out of pocket. Things like this are very troubling, and the current recession dosn't help at all. The Wii atleast lets developers take it easy for a time, while they get everything straight.

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#22 Teuf_
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If game companies can't evolve and adapt with the times....well there's always handhelds.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusivesmubarakibnumar
Like what?

Weeellll the tekkens,the final fantasies, the persons,ridge racer,virtua fighter etc i mean there are more 3rd party exlusives on the ps2 than the total combined number of ps3 and xbo360 games.

Of corse there are more 3rd party games on PS2. It was the dominant console 2000-2006

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#24 Javy03
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Thats just silly. Truth is neither HD nor the Wii is "killing" the industy. HD gaming is moving gaming foward into what will become the new standard of visual content. Dev Companies closed, shut down and went bankrupt during the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS, and PS2 Era as well. They are companies that are in an industry that is always changing. If they can't adapt well to change they do poorly and close down or get eaten up by EA. Not to mention the fact that the Economy is making it hard on ALL buisnesses. Buisnesses are not easy to run and if not done properly can have a short life span. There are many variables that lead to a dev. company doing poorly. The Wii is bringing gaming into alot of new people's homes and expanding the gaming market. This is a good thing as well. However because Nintendo took such a different route in gaming it has made it difficult for 3rd party companies to make good games for this system without making it exclusive. Exclusive is not a word 3rd party devs. like to hear. Not to mention the fact that the audience they are targeting has caused a steep decline in the quality of their games.
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#25 mubarakibnumar
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lol I like how you started your post with "clearly"



The reason there were so many exclusives on the PS2 last gen was because the console was a monster. Everybody had a PS2. You didn't have to take your game to the GC or Xbox because everyone had a PS2.


This gen though, that console is the Wii. And since devs aren't making their games for the Wii, they need to make it multiplatform betweem the PS3 and the 360 so that they can have the sales of two machines to make up for not having the sales of the highest selling console.


There's also the whole "world economic crysis" that you forgot to mention there.
RuinedMachine

and apparently it is still not enough because there are only a handfull of western devs that are making profits.

The reality is that nintendo is making more profit than the entire industry.

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37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling.
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#27 blackdreamhunk
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entire industry but pc gaming lets remeber pc gaming is bigger than the wii and still makes more money than the wii
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#28 mubarakibnumar
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If game companies can't evolve and adapt with the times....well there's always handhelds. Teufelhuhn
Tell that to EA,Eidos,Take2,Midway and other failing western devs.
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#29 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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The reality is that nintendo is make more profit than the entire industry.

mubarakibnumar
Maybe the Wii hardware. 360 is still software king.
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#30 Rahnyc4
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I am sorry. evrytime I looked at teh sales charts I see wii fit and wii play, The fact people are buying that crap instead quality games is proof enough that it is not onlthe HD consoles hurting gaming.too_much_eslim
maybe, you know.. maybe they cant afford these HD consoles, you know giving the current economy.
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#31 Rahnyc4
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[QUOTE="killerfist"]nothing is killing the gaming industry. The industry is growing last time I checked.

thanks to nintendo.
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#32 blackdreamhunk
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yea lets look at all the new companies that were created and other companies that are doing well on the pc :P blizzard is bigger than EA and they are fine.
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[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]Jandurin
37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling.

A poorly made HD game needs at the least 500,000 units just to break even.
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[QUOTE="killerfist"]nothing is killing the gaming industry. The industry is growing last time I checked. Rahnyc4
thanks to nintendo.

Really? Half of the number of million sellers on the Nintendo are by Nintendo. Sounds like Nintendo is growing themselves. I'd say 85% of the million sellers sales are Nintendos alone.
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A poorly made HD game needs at the least 500,000 units just to break even.mubarakibnumar
I showed you MILLION sellers.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to. mubarakibnumar
So, making more money isn't a good idea? Or are you suggesting that multiplats, in fact, are killing the industry, or are bad in some way?

3rd party sure as hell werent thinking that way last gen when most high profile games were ps2 exclusives

Because the GC and Xbox ended the gen. with 20 something million units sold while the PS2 is still selling and is well above 110 million units sold. This gen. is not like last gen. Devs could make multiplats for GC, XBOX and PS2 and most did. You can't do that know, the Wii is too different so most multiplats are PS3/360/PC. Not to mention the fact that the PS3 and 360 are so close in total userbase make it worthwhile to make multiplats. The Wii may be dominating but it still doesnt allow for easy ports so a 3rd party dev would have to make the game exclusive to the Wii or a PS2/Wii port. Thats not something they like to do unless they are guaranteed sales and the Wii is not known for strong 3rd party sales.
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#37 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]

The reality is that nintendo is make more profit than the entire industry.

Jandurin
Maybe the Wii hardware. 360 is still software king.

Yup, I'd say that any dev/pub who made a good game for 360 have been pleased with their return on investment and is hard at work on another. :)
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[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]Jandurin
37 XB, 39 GC, 201 PS2, 21 PS3, 32 Wii 55 million sellers on XB360 Sure, it's not up to last gen's levels yet, but games are still selling.

top 5 multi-million dollar sellers are on the wii, whats your point? there selling millions, but is it actually making the companies that invested in these games money they've loss?
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And Wii is selling because it is more oriented for casuals.

Probably some girl will have more fun with Wii Fit than with Gears2 or MGS4.

No offense to hardcore girl gamers

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It's a combination of mainly two factors: the increased cost of producing a game, and the lack of a secondary, long-tail market for games.

You look at movies, they have get released into the theater where they do a 1-month run. But then after that, the DVD comes out and sells for years and years, everywhere. Same thing with music and books. A big sales explosion upon release, followed by years and years of slow but steady sales.

Videogames don't have that. If a game doesn't sell within the first two to three weeks of release, it's effectively dead. That's it. There is no other market the publisher can turn to for steady, long-term sales. The game will go into the "used game" bin at GameStop where it will be left to die, but the publisher doesn't see one red cent from those sales.

Combine that with the fact that hit game budgets are beginning to approach hit movie budgets, and you have the makings of an unhealthy entertainment industry. That's what the videogame industry is right now; unhealthy.

The game publishers are in an increasingly open war with the retailers because of this, and the publishers have been forced to make the business more and more hit-driven, far moreso than the music, movie or book businesses. In a hit-driven business, profits from the sale of a handful of hit games are used to finance the development of the games that lose money (which is most of them.) In the game business, the goal now isn't merely to create a hit, it's to create a franchise.

This is unsustainable, especially if the next generation of consoles brings a leap in technology, with the attendant leap in budgets.

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#41 h575309
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Its so so sad to me. I was in Best Buy the other day and all I saw were people buying up Wii's and Wii Play. I just wanted to tell every single one of them "Hey man, do you have any idea how lousy that game is?" I would love to tell them theyre buying an inferior product but who am I to tell what to buy and not to buy. I own a Wii myself haha (except its better used as a paperweight than a console). Nintendo and its CEOs are geniuses for coming up with a console that has fooled the general public into thinking its something great. Ill give them props for that. But my biggest fear (as far as gaming goes) is that Microsoft and Sony adapt this strategy in the next gen, and all I will have to choose from to play on my Xbox720 is All Star Cheer Squad 2 and Carnival Games 2010.
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#42 blackdreamhunk
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this article is a really good read

http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/17/recession-hits-the-game-industry/

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#43 heretrix
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[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

No global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.

You would not said that in 2006/07

Rahnyc4

HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industry

Nice. You you choose to ignore that maybe people aren't buying these games because of the economy. Awesome arguement there. HD gaming isn't killing anything. There is a global economic crisis going on. Even if there were no HD gaming you would still see studios closing.

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#44 doobie1975
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[QUOTE="mamkem6"]

No global economic crisis and recession are killing them not HD gaming.

You would not said that in 2006/07

Rahnyc4
HD gaming are killing them as well. There risking a lot of money to develop these high end games, to a loss. The fact that there investing so much and not making back as much as they spend is a factor of why HD gaming is killing this industry

so no dev's went bust before the advent of HD gaming then
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#45 blackdreamhunk
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I know I will still be getting games as long as there is an internet, I can look for jobs and play free games in a ression.

games like guildwars and maybe wow will be around

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#46 RuinedMachine
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The videogame industry also needs to get its head out its ass and stop thinking it can promote itself by doing nothing.

Maybe it's just me but I never see commercials for videogames. In the last year I think I've seen maybe 5 commercials for videogames, 3 of them maybe for the Wii, one for the PS3 and one for 360.

They need to start advertising like movies. People don't know squat about videogames. They don't know what's upcoming, they don't know what's good, they don't know what's what. And videogame companies have to start telling people all this if they want customers to buy their product.
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#47 thegoldenpoo
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You obviously weren't around in the early nineties when studios popped up, closed down, merged and re-invented themselves practically weekly

The games industry has been much more chaotic then it is now in the past, HD gaming isn't really doing any damage, we have 2 clear viable HD platforms that it is relatively simple to port from/to that have a stable user base, in the past we have had many more consoles fighting for a smaller market each with its own practically unique programming style. You REALLY had to go out and a limb to develop a game then, if the system you were working with suddenly became out of favor you could find yourself with staff that had to learn to code for something new all over again

things are pretty stable now, as seen by the flurry of First time and inde devs making games like The Witcher, STALKER, Braid etc etc. ;

just because some studios are closing dosen't mean we should abandon progress

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#48 blackdreamhunk
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It's also a good thing pc gaming doesn't needalot of adds. here is another link people should look at

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/12/17/why-the-nintendo-wii-is-really-the-console-in-trouble-yes-really/

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#49 wizardwd
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I seem to remember a gaming company that failed big time way before HD gaming was close. It's called Sega, and it all happened with the Dreamcast. Its normal for game companies to have bad times and the world economy isnt helping ether.
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#50 FatalDomain
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its clearly HD gaming thats actually killing the industry. theres too many companies now who are either shutting down, going bankrupt or losing money this gen. This gen is taking a hard toll on third party companies.

I guess were not ready for HD gaming, cause third parties sure arent. Theres a reason why companies are now making mostly multi-platform games on both xbox360/ps3, and its not because they want to.

its because there force to, because they have to make up the money loss from developing these high quality games. We need to start figuring out what company is going to shut down or merge with another. HD gaming is killing this industry slowly, yet were putting the blame on nintendo, which is starting to give these companies a second shot.

The blame should go to HD gaming, because its killing companies and causing people to lose their jobs. whats the next gaming studio to shut down, seriously! Rahnyc4

I dont agree with your statement about HD is the blame, but I agree with the logic. The only difference between this gen and others is that you have the means to access the health of the industry (forums, blogs, gaming sites). With that wealth of resources available, you are able to see the various mom and pop devs come and go from the business. Its no different from the Atari and NES days where there were many influential devs in the business that tanked when the next generation system launched (anyone remember Data East?).

"Its a dog eat dog world", "only the strong survive", "innovate or die" are all great quotes to live from. In a game where large portfolios and deep pockets still fight for a place in the market, it leave very lil space for the one or two hot IP camps...

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