Japan's 2ch. Replies To RPG Complaints (56K WTF??)

Sorry if old.

Found this in Kotaku.

Last week, website IGN published a list of ten ways to fix Japanese role-playing games. Japan's 2ch., the largest internet forum in the world, has responded.

IGN's list criticized things in Japanese role-playing games like the lifeless environments, linear gameplay, stereotypical stories and traditional battle systems. (Read the full list here.) 2ch., where users post anonymously, has responded.

Keep in mind: These remarks were posted anonymously by people on the internet. Some of the remarks might be serious, some might not be. They do point to a larger sentiment, however.

"Oblivion and Fallout fanatics are exponentially more annoying than any Final Fantasy fanatic."

"Hey foreigners: we find your first-person shooters boring as **** What do you say to that?"

"When I see all the 'sniping' and corpse-desecrating 'teabagging' going on in US games, the thought of what what foreigners do when they get mad [in real life] freaks me out."

"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."

"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

"Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei"

"I call 'cultural differences'!"

"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."

"Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones."

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Another cultural clash?? JRPG vs WRPG again?? Its like Endless WAR!!

Jrpgs > Wrpgs

Alot of that's just

Amusing fail though.

This is going to be a interesting thread.

So.

Alot ofpeople in the West complain endlessly about JRPGs. Its just the people taste that is a matter of opinion.

Honestly, those really look no different than people who bash jRPGs for not being like wRPGs. :P

I see more Americans playing JRPGs than I ever see any japanese playing a WRPG

Wow, the pro-JRPG side of this isn't getting the most intelligent bunch of supporters. (At least, not based on that 2chan group...)

I've always been a big fan of (some) JRPGs, especially the DQ, FF and Tales series. However, the fact that the genre as a whole is in desperate need of a revamp cannot be ignored. A few top notch JRPGs this generation made a fairly strong showing both in sales and critical reception, but nothing nearing the craze last console gen. This is due to stagnation. One can only play the same tired quest wearing different clothes so many times before the tedium begins to sink in...

It seems like Japanese people don't even try Wrpgs. They sound just as ignorant.

I see more Americans playing JRPGs than I ever see any japanese playing a WRPG

RadecSupreme

Well, I seriously doubt you see many Japanese people.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

I see more Americans playing JRPGs than I ever see any japanese playing a WRPG

Yandere

Well, I seriously doubt you see many Japanese people.

Obviously but I have met many Japanse people at my college and talked to them about games and stuff. Many of them are foreign exchanged students.

I suppose its nice to know that trolling isnt exclusive to america and europe :P

I agree with almost all of that list.

And Dragon Age is not a "true RPG". It's just an adventure game with dialog choices and RPG elements with boring combat if you want to get technical.

It seems like Japanese people don't even try Wrpgs. They sound just as ignorant.

NoobisMaxcimus

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

Gamingcucumber

[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

asdasdrgr

If a wrpg like dragon age cant wow those japanese gamers than i have no hope in them ever finding out what a true rpg is all about.bigboss5ak

:lol:

I don't know why, but I found that centance hillarious.

[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

asdasdrgr

Yeah you're completely correct. And you know why? Because they broke the mold of what a JRPG should be, which was what IGN was talking about.

I personally much prefer WRPG's over JRPG's and yet even i can find fun JRPG's to play and own.

I don't see the same on the other side of the pond.

Frankly i feel there is something deeply culturally 'unfair' about it all.

A cultural exchange is happening between the two sides, and one side doesn't even want to try out a Western game.

I take the comments of Yoichi Wada of Square Enix as a point of reference.

Link Here

We don't have a derogatory term for other peoples game, There is a stereotype to a genre (but you can do that for every genre of every medium).

But to me... this speaks more about Japan and how it views itself and the world around it, more then it does just about our games.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

NoobisMaxcimus

Yeah you're completely correct. And you know why? Because they broke the mold of what a JRPG should be, which was what IGN was talking about.

Oh, their responses are just teeming with intelligence and well thought out rebuttals..AAllxxjjnn

Agreed. Though we see much of the same thing in System Wars (naturally) with Westerners :P

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[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] Demon's souls and Valkyria Chronicles were the only innovative RPG this gen and they were....da dad da... JRPGs. asdasdrgr

Yeah you're completely correct. And you know why? Because they broke the mold of what a JRPG should be, which was what IGN was talking about.

Innovative is synonymous with WRPGs :P. Just joking that's completely wrong.

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Oh, their responses are just teeming with intelligence and well thought out rebuttals..lundy86_4

Agreed. Though we see much of the same thing in System Wars (naturally) with Westerners :P

They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

I rest my case.

I agree with almost all of that list.

And Dragon Age is not a "true RPG". It's just an adventure game with dialog choices and RPG elements with boring combat if you want to get technical.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Oh, their responses are just teeming with intelligence and well thought out rebuttals..WAIW

Agreed. Though we see much of the same thing in System Wars (naturally) with Westerners :P

Undoubtedly.

However it's hardly indicative of everybody.

Even here in the mess of System Wars we have some genuinely good posters.

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

Masculus

They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

I rest my case.

Storm_Marine

:lol:

Yeah, not one of the best ventures i've seen in terms of story and character design.

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Agreed. Though we see much of the same thing in System Wars (naturally) with Westerners :P

lundy86_4

Undoubtedly.

However it's hardly indicative of everybody.

Even here in the mess of System Wars we have some genuinely good posters.

Mhmm, thanks for the compliment.

And what's with the picture of the little girl for? Is it about the bad character design?

They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

I rest my case.

Storm_Marine

I agree with almost all of that list.

And Dragon Age is not a "true RPG". It's just an adventure game with dialog choices and RPG elements with boring combat if you want to get technical.

They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

I rest my case.

Storm_Marine

Not really... There are a lot of good ones like...

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

Masculus

I personally much prefer WRPG's over JRPG's and yet even i can find fun JRPG's to play and own.

I don't see the same on the other side of the pond.

Frankly i feel there is something deeply culturally 'unfair' about it all.

A cultural exchange is happening between the two sides, and one side doesn't even want to try out a Western game.

I take the comments of Yoichi Wada of Square Enix as a point of reference.

Link Here

We don't have a derogatory term for other peoples game, There is a stereotype to a genre (but you can do that for every genre of every medium).

But to me... this speaks more about Japan and how it views itself and the world around it, more then it does just about our games.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

Silenthps

That picture mixed with your sentence too well.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

Yandere

That picture mixed with your sentence too well.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"] Looks like the internet's not much different over there.Yandere

Undoubtedly.

However it's hardly indicative of everybody.

Even here in the mess of System Wars we have some genuinely good posters.

Mhmm, thanks for the compliment.

And what's with the picture of the little girl for? Is it about the bad character design?

Haha you're welcome :P

Well, Star Ocean's character design, whilst ok, isn't the best i've seen. Plus the story wasn't great.

Good game though.

I agree with almost all of that list.

And Dragon Age is not a "true RPG". It's just an adventure game with dialog choices and RPG elements with boring combat if you want to get technical.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="WAIW"] Looks like the internet's not much different over there.Yandere

Undoubtedly.

However it's hardly indicative of everybody.

Even here in the mess of System Wars we have some genuinely good posters.

Mhmm, thanks for the compliment.

And what's with the picture of the little girl for? Is it about the bad character design?

Stare at her eyes for a few minutes and see if you retain your sanity.