Japan's 2ch. Replies To RPG Complaints (56K WTF??)

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

Not to mention JRPGs wouldn't exist without WRPGs.

asdasdrgr

JRPG's do have their problems, but so do WRPG's

everything almost every single fantasy WRPG dose is to take and rip-off the whole concept of j.r.r tolkein's books

which isnt very impressive,

however the lack in JRPG's evolving can be best discribed as the "eastern anwsere to FPS"

after IGN's blogs, they should make that next.

Oh, their responses are just teeming with intelligence and well thought out rebuttals..AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

100% agree with them :P.

jasonharris48

I just find them boring never liked any WRPG except Diablo.

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] I am waiting for the proof. You cannot just say if A didn't happen then B wouldn't happen. asdasdrgr

[QUOTE="ycole11"]

In previous generations, when i played a good rpg it would be hard for me to discern whether or not it was from Japan. (unless I already knew the developer) Nowadays, I can instantly tell a jrpg form a wrpg because the differences in quality are so great.

For example Star Ocean: the Last Hope Vs. Mass Effect

- I know these tiles have different game mechanics however, it is the things like character interaction, character development, plot development, story, and sometimes moral choices that star ocean and many other jrpg's this gen are lacking.

- Features such as full voice acting are almost always missing in jrpgs; very few people want to read blocks of text when playing a game.

- jrpgs are still my favoraite enre but it is a bit frustrating to see a lack of evolution in the genre.

Here's a couple of links to compare and contrast

Star Ocean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNpla6xNMsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_J0jjNibM&feature=related

Mass Effect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKrdD6Q4nGw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_RgV3tGgsc&feature=related

Kashiwaba

Sadly though SO4 was a medicore JRPG I find it better than Mass effect.

Everyone has to think about this in the right context Japan is only a nation of 110 million vs. the entire western hemisphere encompossing europe and north america which is like I dunno over a freakin billion people?

Do the math and you'll get it, a country that has roughly 1/10th the number of people and you expect them to foot the bill and compete with innovation coming from a much greater population? Get real folks.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"] [QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="ycole11"]

In previous generations, when i played a good rpg it would be hard for me to discern whether or not it was from Japan. (unless I already knew the developer) Nowadays, I can instantly tell a jrpg form a wrpg because the differences in quality are so great.

For example Star Ocean: the Last Hope Vs. Mass Effect

- I know these tiles have different game mechanics however, it is the things like character interaction, character development, plot development, story, and sometimes moral choices that star ocean and many other jrpg's this gen are lacking.

- Features such as full voice acting are almost always missing in jrpgs; very few people want to read blocks of text when playing a game.

- jrpgs are still my favoraite enre but it is a bit frustrating to see a lack of evolution in the genre.

Here's a couple of links to compare and contrast

Star Ocean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNpla6xNMsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_J0jjNibM&feature=related

Mass Effect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKrdD6Q4nGw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_RgV3tGgsc&feature=related

Human-after-all

Sadly though SO4 was a medicore JRPG I find it better than Mass effect.

Well I like my taste so I dont care about you.

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

I honestly do not understand why western people enjoy all that crap. All the silly anime characters, terrible bland stories. I could go on, but i wont.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"]

Sadly though SO4 was a medicore JRPG I find it better than Mass effect.

Kashiwaba

Well I like my taste so I dont care about you.

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

Stats_

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

100% agree with them :P.

Kashiwaba

I just find them boring never liked any WRPG except Diablo.

The IGN writer seems like hes trying to start some **** rather than positively suggest some changes. 2ch just reacted like a little kid.

I do agree with IGNs #5 and #10. #5 is just part of Japanese culture but I cant stand it. Makes me want to strangle those characters. Orihime anyone? #10 is how I felt when I saw FF13.

Im guessing the IGN writer played some Demons Souls, got mad, and decided to talk some ****.

The IGN writer seems like hes trying to start some **** rather than positively suggest some changes. 2ch just reacted like a little kid.

I do agree with IGNs #5 and #10. #5 is just part of Japanese culture but I cant stand it. Makes me want to strangle those characters. Orihime anyone? #10 is how I felt when I saw FF13.

Im guessing the IGN writer played some Demons Souls, got mad, and decided to talk some ****.

CZVA

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]If you compare recent WRPG and JRPG you will see who is clearly in the right here. What was the last amazingly good JRPG? Final Fantasy X?jasonharris48

Wow Im surprised at all the comments. Are people in the Westreally surprised? What makes there comments right or wrong really?

Just visit any FF or JRPG thread here and you'll see this hate is pretty minimal to the haters saying the JRPG genre hasn't changed, the chracters suck or look like girls, story, linear, etc etc etc.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

asdasdrgr

Not only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

The most annoying thin is JRPG's imo is the poor stories. The terrible character models that are either super feminine, or emo-centric. The gameplay is fine.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

asdasdrgr

this.

all fantasy WRPG's are about elfs, dwarfs, warriors and mages, the stroy is usually bad, while they concentrate on having a complecated character system

you dont feel the same conection to your character as you do with JRPG's

, see i can do the same,

dosent change the fact that its just an opinion

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]If you compare recent WRPG and JRPG you will see who is clearly in the right here. What was the last amazingly good JRPG? Final Fantasy X?dreman999

I actually agree with those forums posts.

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

The IGN writer seems like hes trying to start some **** rather than positively suggest some changes. 2ch just reacted like a little kid.

I do agree with IGNs #5 and #10. #5 is just part of Japanese culture but I cant stand it. Makes me want to strangle those characters. Orihime anyone? #10 is how I felt when I saw FF13.

Im guessing the IGN writer played some Demons Souls, got mad, and decided to talk some ****.

asdasdrgr

Especially since Demon's Soul..the best RPG to come out of Japan this gen is in reality pretty much pure wRPG gameplay wise

Not only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

The most annoying thin is JRPG's imo is the poor stories. The terrible character models that are either super feminine, or emo-centric. The gameplay is fine.

Stats_

:lol:

As opposed to a fake one that the player doesn't really care for.

Well good thing I like both sub genres although I've enjoyed JRPG's a lot more.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Persona 3 Fes, Persona 4, FFXII, Demon Souls, Digital Devil Saga 1,2 , MegaTen 3, Dragon Quest 8 were vastly superior to FFX. Heck I may dislike Lost Odyssey but it was better than FFX.

jasonharris48

Subtle in japan=5 foot spikey hair colored purople and bright red....

Subtle in japan=Announcing the exact attack your about to do so the entire enemy base understands then act suprised when they win.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

Stats_

Now only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] I guess you haven't played shin megami tensei or demon's souls. Could also say WRPG boil down to gay intercourse(dragon's age), so are wrpg gay It all comes down to opinion.asdasdrgr

Now only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

Also, Fable and fable 2. You can ask a bunch of town people to follow you and you have another small army. Or if you evil, bandits start following you too, you can have an army of them at once. So that's 2. Happy.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] Take out FF12 out of your statement and I'll totally agree with you.dreman999

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="CZVA"]

The IGN writer seems like hes trying to start some **** rather than positively suggest some changes. 2ch just reacted like a little kid.

I do agree with IGNs #5 and #10. #5 is just part of Japanese culture but I cant stand it. Makes me want to strangle those characters. Orihime anyone? #10 is how I felt when I saw FF13.

Im guessing the IGN writer played some Demons Souls, got mad, and decided to talk some ****.

AdrianWerner

Especially since Demon's Soul..the best RPG to come out of Japan this gen is in reality pretty much pure wRPG gameplay wise

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

Stats_

Not only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

The most annoying thin is JRPG's imo is the poor stories. The terrible character models that are either super feminine, or emo-centric. The gameplay is fine.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

Now only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

dreman999

Also, Fable and fable 2. You can ask a bunch of town people to follow you and you have another small army. Or if you evil, bandits start following you too, you can have an army of them at once. So that's 2. Happy.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] Demon's Souls is a JRPG(made in japan). I just made a point, you made a bad generalization and i made a worse one. About choices in WRPG, tell me a WRPG that lets you have the amount of hencemen or party members at once as much as pokemon? asdasdrgr

Also, Fable and fable 2. You can ask a bunch of town people to follow you and you have another small army. Or if you evil, bandits start following you too, you can have an army of them at once. So that's 2. Happy.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="dreman999"]Oblivion. All you need to do is start a bunch of escort quests and, bam, you got your self a small army.

Also, Fable and fable 2. You can ask a bunch of town people to follow you and you have another small army. Or if you evil, bandits start following you too, you can have an army of them at once. So that's 2. Happy.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] Demon's Souls is a JRPG(made in japan). I just made a point, you made a bad generalization and i made a worse one. About choices in WRPG, tell me a WRPG that lets you have the amount of hencemen or party members at once as much as pokemon? asdasdrgr

Also, Fable and fable 2. You can ask a bunch of town people to follow you and you have another small army. Or if you evil, bandits start following you too, you can have an army of them at once. So that's 2. Happy.

I stopped playing JRPGs after about the fifth one i tried (with the exception of Pokemon). They all looked and played the same so i quit trying them. They were all the same and, other than graphics (2d vs 3d), there was absolutely nothing to distinguish one from the other.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

asdasdrgr

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

Not only have i played the games you mentioned, I own Demon Souls

Anyone who's played Demon Souls can tell it's been influenced by WRPGs. The Megami Tensai series is justa huge cliche. WRPG's are gay cause you can have homosexual intercourse? That#s a choice you make, just like real life. Choice is somthing you won't be familiar with being a JRPG fan.

The most annoying thin is JRPG's imo is the poor stories. The terrible character models that are either super feminine, or emo-centric. The gameplay is fine.

hayato_

:lol:

As opposed to a fake one that the player doesn't really care for.

I love JRPGs and there are only a few WRPG games I like.

I prefer light-hearted stories rather than being all serious and gloomy...except Demon's Souls, that's unique.

I love JRPGs and there are only a few WRPG games I like.

I prefer light-hearted stories rather than being all serious and gloomy...except Demon's Souls, that's unique.

Theguy56

[QUOTE="Theguy56"]

I love JRPGs and there are only a few WRPG games I like.

I prefer light-hearted stories rather than being all serious and gloomy...except Demon's Souls, that's unique.

asdasdrgr

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Theguy56"]

I love JRPGs and there are only a few WRPG games I like.

I prefer light-hearted stories rather than being all serious and gloomy...except Demon's Souls, that's unique.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] Baroque has possibly the best rpg story, i prefer it to planescape and that is saying alot. It beats it by a milimeter.asdasdrgr

[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

asdasdrgr

Lmao. I lol'd when they claimed WRPG have poor stories. Especially compared to JRPG's that boil down to some teen kid with big hair crying about hope, faith and friendship.

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

Masculus

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"][QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]

Even though they have a point when it comes to the saturated shooter market they miss the point that JRPGs are a joke this generation, there has yet to be a must own JRPG title that hasn't been for an old console or for an handheld. Compared to the Snes - PS1 era it's nothing. Also pretty much all of IGN's points are accurate, especially. STEREOTYPICAL and CLICHÉ, which is why I stay, far far away from JRPGs, and so should you.

Rockman999

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

All i have to say to these asian fella:

That is all.

SparkyProtocol

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="asdasdrgr"] Demon's souls and Valkyria Chronicles were the only innovative RPG this gen and they were....da dad da... JRPGs. While dragon age is a dumbed down version of BG2? Witcher was innovative, but it isn't a WRPG, it was developed in EASTERN EUROPE. WRPG has to evolve imo. Enough of D and D from bioware and oblivion with guns from bethesda.asdasdrgr