Jeff Keighley: "Halo Reach will be a huge leap forward"

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#101 PBSnipes
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MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

spinecaton

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

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#102 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

Reach for the milkage

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MGS4 is hailed as the greatest game ever, every new Mario game is met with wet pants, and yet a 4th Halo game is milkage. Love the hypocrisy.

halo 3, ODST, Halo Wars and Halo Reach...all in less then 3 years

ODST and Halo Wars are spin-offs of the main game. Should I list all the MGS spin-offs and Mario spin-offs? I'll be here all week.
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#103 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

PBSnipes

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

Oh I forgot about those too! Dang!

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#104 gamer-adam1
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We all know how it ends but I wonder if they will show the pillar of autumn jumping away

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#105 sikanderahmed
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

PBSnipes

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

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#106 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

sikanderahmed

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

Who cares if a series is "milked" or not, the games are good so who cares.

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#107 SpruceCaboose
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None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

sikanderahmed
Point is I don't think giving the fans what they are demanding is milkage. I liken milkage to the Police Academy movies. When the games are no longer being asked for my the fans and the quality drops progressively, the franchise is being milked. Game series like Spyro and Crash were milked to me. The Mario games proper, MGS, Halo, etc are all high quality and the fans want them. Therefore I don't consider that milkage in any way shape or form.
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#108 sikanderahmed
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

spinecaton

None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

Who cares if a series is "milked" or not, the games are good so who cares.

yup i dont care much as well...but i had to bring it up just for lulz

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#109 Doctor-McNinja
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Hype like this only ever leads to people being disappointed. Still, i'm glad to hear it'll all be in-game footage. Bungie have finally learned to only show something off when it's in a finished state, as opposed to a work in progress.
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#110 BiggGaming
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The problem is HALO REACH will not have to be a huge leap to sell millions of copies.

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#111 slvrraven9
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Rarely are things as cool or exciting as we're told they're going to be. But I did like all that talk about ,"This is not CGI." Kind of exciting. :Pmusicalmac
agreed, that part alone raised my hopes to the sky for this game. almost put it on an Uncharted 2 kinda level is what i thought back to when i read that....
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#112 SpruceCaboose
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Hype like this only ever leads to people being disappointed. Still, i'm glad to hear it'll all be in-game footage. Bungie have finally learned to only show something off when it's in a finished state, as opposed to a work in progress. Doctor-McNinja
Like the hype ruined Uncharted 2?
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#113 jamejame
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

sikanderahmed

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

Its not milked if people love it and want more. This is the last Halo game for Bungie, people are ****ing excited for it. CoD on the other hand, is milked, because people (at least the majority of them that I know)would wait two years for a new title rather than one if that meant the could see more significant changes. The CoD games are really seeing barely any change from title to title,though I do appreciate some of the minute changes MW2 brought to the table. Halo: Reach is changing up the formula quite a bit though. If its not a rehash and if people demand it, I don't understand how thats milking.

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#114 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Rarely are things as cool or exciting as we're told they're going to be. But I did like all that talk about ,"This is not CGI." Kind of exciting. :Pslvrraven9
agreed, that part alone raised my hopes to the sky for this game. almost put it on an Uncharted 2 kinda level is what i thought back to when i read that....

Well, I'm only really excited about that because I've actually read the book about Reach, and I think it would make a great game. To hear it may be pretty, too? Neat. :)
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#115 Doctor-McNinja
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People's definitions of what milking is are getting a bit extreme. There's been one proper, standalone Halo game this gen so far. Then there's been an RTS spin-off by another developer and an add-on to Halo 3 in the form of ODST. Yet people want to say this series is milked? :? Releasing a new Call of Duty and multiple guitar heros every year is milking, not continuing development on a beloved and quality franchise.
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#116 Doctor-McNinja
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"] Well, I'm only really excited about that because I've actually read the book about Reach, and I think it would make a great game. To hear it may be pretty, too? Neat. :)

I really, really, really hope it follows the story in the book and not some side-story taking place during the same time. I'd be so disappointed if that were the case. Like you said, the story in the Fall of Reach would make an amazing game, though i doubt they'll be going all the way back to the creation of the spartans. Still, just the invasion of reach itself would make a sweet game.
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#117 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="musicalmac"] Well, I'm only really excited about that because I've actually read the book about Reach, and I think it would make a great game. To hear it may be pretty, too? Neat. :)

I really, really, really hope it follows the story in the book and not some side-story taking place during the same time. I'd be so disappointed if that were the case. Like you said, the story in the Fall of Reach would make an amazing game, though i doubt they'll be going all the way back to the creation of the spartans. Still, just the invasion of reach itself would make a sweet game.

Based on the ODST cutscenes and Bungie's love of narrative, I would not put it past visiting the early SPARTANS in some form. I also expect Bungie to go less linear and more like ODST in Reach in portions of the game.
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#118 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

Reach for the milkage

sikanderahmed

MGS4 is hailed as the greatest game ever, every new Mario game is met with wet pants, and yet a 4th Halo game is milkage. Love the hypocrisy.

halo 3, ODST, Halo Wars and Halo Reach...all in less then 3 years

actually its 2 true series sequels, 1 spinoff made by the company that was supposed to be DLC and another that was made by a diff company. still no matter the time frame its no more milkage that said mentioned games....

and BTW the timeframe is exactly 3 years. Halo 3 Sept 07', Halo Reach Sept 10' Every 3 years. EXACTLY the amount of time they take inbetween every new halo game.

Halo C.E. 2001

Halo 2 2004

Halo 3 2007

Halo Reach 2010

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#119 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"] I really, really, really hope it follows the story in the book and not some side-story taking place during the same time. I'd be so disappointed if that were the case. Like you said, the story in the Fall of Reach would make an amazing game, though i doubt they'll be going all the way back to the creation of the spartans. Still, just the invasion of reach itself would make a sweet game.

I dunno, I can see them starting from the top. If you think about it, that would be a good way to include the obligatory "Look up. Look down. Feel good?" :P

I just want to fight side by side more Spartans. Perhaps the reason they decided to overhaul the engine is so that human character models would look better, simply because they're starting from the top. I dunno, a guy can dream. :P

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#120 clone01
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A huge leap forward in Halo means not much since the other games are basically the same game over and over.RedruM_I
yeah, kind of like the GOW series.
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#121 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]A huge leap forward in Halo means not much since the other games are basically the same game over and over.clone01
yeah, kind of like the GOW series.

Hey, GoW sequels add more gore and boobies.
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#122 h575309
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

MGS4, Metal Gear Solid Touch, Metal Gear Solid Rising...all in less then 2-3 years

Why do people act like Halo is the only game that does this?

Don't forget Portable Ops and Peacewalker!

None of those games listed above can be found on same console...there is no MGS touch, portable ops or peacewalker on ps3...only MGS4 and MGS Rising. Halo 3, ODST, Reach and Halo Wars can be found on same system and all of them (except Reach) were released within 2 years....and Reach will be released before the 3rd year is complete. also lets just say MGS really is milked...so what? does that change the fact that halo isnt? same goes for mario

the franchise is being milked just as much, regardless of system. and seriously, if your going to complain about milking how about guitar hero, rock band, mario games? bungie has put out 2 games 2 years apart. thats not exactly milking.
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#123 foxhound_fox
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Halo... "leap forward"? Not likely. It's success comes from using old ideas well... not making new ones.

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#124 93soccer
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I seriously can't wait till december 12th. It's gonna be intense. This game is a 1st day purchase for sure
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#125 93soccer
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]A huge leap forward in Halo means not much since the other games are basically the same game over and over.SpruceCaboose
yeah, kind of like the GOW series.

Hey, GoW sequels add more gore and boobies.

I seriously hope you were joking with that comment cause thats not exactly a "huge leap forward"
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#126 h575309
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Halo... "leap forward"? Not likely. It's success comes from using old ideas well... not making new ones.

foxhound_fox
At least give Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have made quality games in the past, and Im sure they would want the last in the Halo fps franchise to go out with a bang.
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#127 slvrraven9
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Halo... "leap forward"? Not likely. It's success comes from using old ideas well... not making new ones.

foxhound_fox
which is why Reach is lauded, because theyre using new ideas. you probably missed that part of the scope of this game
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#128 Zero_epyon
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Hmmmmmmm, hope so

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Yes hopefully they can get up to uncharted levels ;)
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#129 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="clone01"] yeah, kind of like the GOW series.93soccer
Hey, GoW sequels add more gore and boobies.

I seriously hope you were joking with that comment cause thats not exactly a "huge leap forward"

In all seriousness, all games do this. And they all claim it's leaps and bounds over the previous games. In the background and coding yes it's better. But the experiences are usually the same. In the example of GOW, I played the demo for part 3 over the weekend and yes there have been several improvements to the fighting and an extra bar for addition powers. But when you get to the meat of it, it's still another hack and slash button mashing 3rd person GOW game. So the same can be said for halo
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#130 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

"At the VGAs, we actually go down on to the Planet Reach and see this game for the first time. It's all going to be in-game stuff. This is not CG. This is not live-action like all the kids on twitter are speculating. You will get a first glimpse at the world of Reach, which is phenomenal. I think it's going to be the biggest game of next year by far. Folks love ODST and though it was great but when people see the huge leap forward Bungie is taking with Reach, I don't know if you seen it yet, but everyone that I talked to that's been on the team and seen it is incredibly excited about that time."

My hype just increased, a lot.:lol:

Same here. :lol:
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#131 foxhound_fox
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At least give Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have made quality games in the past, and Im sure they would want the last in the Halo fps franchise to go out with a bang. h575309

And here I thought Halo 3 was supposed to be the "last" game in Bungie's franchise.

I can't give Bungie the benefit of the doubt, because all they've ever really shown me is the ability to take old ideas, streamline them together well and not actually come up with anything new or ground-breaking. I, unlike most people, will remain sceptical.

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#132 rogerjak
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Blah, blah and more blah! Up to now they have been force feeding us hype. People are already calling this the best game ever without seeing anything substancial. For their sake I hope it lives up to the massive hype.

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#133 Broman6015
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Last time Keighley hyped up the internet it was for a Modern Warfare 2 teaser trailer that sucked. So excuse me if I'm not too excited :P

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#134 Doctor-McNinja
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[QUOTE="h575309"] At least give Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have made quality games in the past, and Im sure they would want the last in the Halo fps franchise to go out with a bang. foxhound_fox


And here I thought Halo 3 was supposed to be the "last" game in Bungie's franchise.

I can't give Bungie the benefit of the doubt, because all they've ever really shown me is the ability to take old ideas, streamline them together well and not actually come up with anything new or ground-breaking. I, unlike most people, will remain sceptical.

Why is it that whenever Halo is discussed, the expression 'it does nothing new!' always crops up? What did Uncharted 2 do which is new? What did MGS4 do which is new? What did Forza 3 do which is new, or practically any game released over the last few years?

Every game released this year practically - what have they done which is new? Every new major release is just an effort to entertain you and make the game as fun as it can possibly be, which is certainly the remit with Halo. Every time bungie adds anything - forge mode, file share,whatever - the response is also 'x did that five years ago'.

So? Why do we only judge Halo's quality in terms of innovations? How many FPS games are innovative? They're not trying to do anything new. They have a story and they have an art ****and they have an incredibly tight ****of gameplay. What else do they need?

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#135 rockzo
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[QUOTE="rockzo"]

A huge leap in Console Graphics=Really small change in the eyes of a pc gamer.

Your stilla gen away from Crysis at very high settings Consolites.

Sorry.

GulliversTravel

You clearly havent played UC2:?

Sorry but i choose not to waste my time with any console games.

Watching paint dry sounds like it would be more fun then UC2 or any console game.

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#136 Doctor-McNinja
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Blah, blah and more blah! Up to now they have been force feeding us hype. People are already calling this the best game ever without seeing anything substancial. For their sake I hope it lives up to the massive hype.

rogerjak
I'm fairly sure bungie haven't said anything about the game whatsoever, other than that it exists. I dont get where the force-fed hype that you're refering to is coming from. :P
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#137 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

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Hmmmmmmm, hope so

Zero_epyon

Yes hopefully they can get up to uncharted levels ;)

After people see Reach, instead of Uncharted 2, it will be more like:

Uncharted Who... :P

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#138 GulliversTravel
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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="rockzo"]

A huge leap in Console Graphics=Really small change in the eyes of a pc gamer.

Your stilla gen away from Crysis at very high settings Consolites.

Sorry.

rockzo

You clearly havent played UC2:?

Sorry but i choose not to waste my time with any console games.

Watching paint dry sounds like it would be more fun then UC2 or any console game.

Yes the houlier than thou attitude, the sad thing is that Uncharted 2 is probably the second best looking game out there after Crysis. And yes, im a PC gamer too, the difference is i dont think its blasphemy to appreciate console graphics too.
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#139 mayceV
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[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Halo... "leap forward"? Not likely. It's success comes from using old ideas well... not making new ones.

At least give Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have made quality games in the past, and Im sure they would want the last in the Halo fps franchise to go out with a bang.

I bet it'll be more like "BOOOOOM" but time will tell and the first clue is dropped dec 12
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#140 rogerjak
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[QUOTE="rogerjak"]

Blah, blah and more blah! Up to now they have been force feeding us hype. People are already calling this the best game ever without seeing anything substancial. For their sake I hope it lives up to the massive hype.

Doctor-McNinja

I'm fairly sure bungie haven't said anything about the game whatsoever, other than that it exists. I dont get where the force-fed hype that you're refering to is coming from. :P

"You will get a first glimpse at the world of Reach, which is phenomenal. I think it's going to be the biggest game of next year by far."

Need I say more?

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#141 SpiritOfFire117
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I bet it'll be more like "BOOOOOM" but time will tell and the first clue is dropped dec 12mayceV
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#142 h575309
Member since 2005 • 8551 Posts
[QUOTE="rockzo"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="rockzo"]

A huge leap in Console Graphics=Really small change in the eyes of a pc gamer.

Your stilla gen away from Crysis at very high settings Consolites.

Sorry.

You clearly havent played UC2:?

Sorry but i choose not to waste my time with any console games.

Watching paint dry sounds like it would be more fun then UC2 or any console game.

LOL oh your so silly.
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#143 mayceV
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[QUOTE="mayceV"]I bet it'll be more like "BOOOOOM" but time will tell and the first clue is dropped dec 12SpiritOfFire117
Nice sig. ;)

thanks
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#144 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="rogerjak"]

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="rogerjak"]

Blah, blah and more blah! Up to now they have been force feeding us hype. People are already calling this the best game ever without seeing anything substancial. For their sake I hope it lives up to the massive hype.

I'm fairly sure bungie haven't said anything about the game whatsoever, other than that it exists. I dont get where the force-fed hype that you're refering to is coming from. :P

"You will get a first glimpse at the world of Reach, which is phenomenal. I think it's going to be the biggest game of next year by far."

Need I say more?

If you knew the significance behind the subtitle and how it relates to the series, you would see why. Though that last part does take it a bit far. Still I don't see how it's "force-fed" hype.
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#145 Doctor-McNinja
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"You will get a first glimpse at the world of Reach, which is phenomenal. I think it's going to be the biggest game of next year by far."

Need I say more?

rogerjak
Which was said today, and not by bungie. So again where's the 'up to now they have been force feeding us hype.' :|
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#146 Wasdie  Moderator
Member since 2003 • 53622 Posts

Yays. I just hope we get a huge epic feel from this one.

I love Bungie games, I know they can't do me any wrong.

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#147 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="h575309"] At least give Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have made quality games in the past, and Im sure they would want the last in the Halo fps franchise to go out with a bang. Doctor-McNinja


And here I thought Halo 3 was supposed to be the "last" game in Bungie's franchise.

I can't give Bungie the benefit of the doubt, because all they've ever really shown me is the ability to take old ideas, streamline them together well and not actually come up with anything new or ground-breaking. I, unlike most people, will remain sceptical.

Why is it that whenever Halo is discussed, the expression 'it does nothing new!' always crops up? What did Uncharted 2 do which is new? What did MGS4 do which is new? What did Forza 3 do which is new, or practically any game released over the last few years?

Every game released this year practically - what have they done which is new? Every new major release is just an effort to entertain you and make the game as fun as it can possibly be, which is certainly the remit with Halo. Every time bungie adds anything - forge mode, file share,whatever - the response is also 'x did that five years ago'.

So? Why do we only judge Halo's quality in terms of innovations? How many FPS games are innovative? They're not trying to do anything new. They have a story and they have an art ****and they have an incredibly tight ****of gameplay. What else do they need?

The point is that no game series can be leaps and bounds better than previous games in that serious. If it is it won't be that game anymore or it'll be a different genre. like halo going 3rd person and still being as addicting would be a huge leap for the series. Halo wars was supposed to be a huge leap because it was rts.

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#148 LittleMan429
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Mass Effect 2 will be roughly %100 better than Halo Reach

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#149 deactivated-5dd711115e664
Member since 2005 • 8956 Posts

Dare I say it? TRIPLE-wielding?!?!?!?

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#150 Gta3-fan334
Member since 2004 • 1499 Posts

I have a feeling that ODST was an introduction of Reach's main characters (i.e. Buck, etc...).