Joystiq : Sony DESTROYS any hope of Jailbreaking/Pirating on PS3.

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#1 Easyle
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http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/11/report-sony-could-remotely-disable-jailbroken-ps3s/

Impressive.

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#2 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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This isn't even true.
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#3 Kashiwaba
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Seems fake but you never know.

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#4 Easyle
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This isn't even true. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Yes it is. Read the entire article.

It makes sense as well, if you think about it.

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#5 foxhound_fox
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So this is "the powah of teh cell!" huh?

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#6 Cruse34
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If its true I hope it gets done

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#7 pppjjj
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This is clearly a scare tactics move that Sony is using against hackers.

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#9 Espada12
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So, just don't go online if you jail break?

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#10 DarkLink77
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It has to be connected to the internet for that to work. I'm sure that'll be really easy to get around.

If someone wants to pirate on your system badly enough, you cannot stop them. You'd think people would have learned this by now.

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#11 biosolids
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I wouldnt say they DESTROYED any hopes of jailbreak... first off they would NEVER go as far as rendering console unuseable, they would probably just ban you off PSN l ike they did with the psp or xbox live, so you can still jailbreak your ps3, never go online with it and be perfectly fine.

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#12 tagyhag
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Sony PR.
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#13 Easyle
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This is clearly a scare tactics move that Sony is using against hackers.

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Microsoft has done it.. in the millions as well.
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#14 Easyle
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I wouldnt say they DESTROYED any hopes of jailbreak... first off they would NEVER go as far as rendering console unuseable, they would probably just ban you off PSN l ike they did with the psp or xbox live, so you can still jailbreak your ps3, never go online with it and be perfectly fine.

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Eh, it grabs peoples attention. Also, if your never going online, then there really is no point of playing most games anyways. Unless you have a God of War 3, Fallout 3 type of game.
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#15 pppjjj
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Yea but The article says that Sony could render the console useless that doesn't make any sense if you think about it.

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#16 Shirokishi_
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Scare tactic.

The worst they can do is ban PSN accounts.

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#17 ShuichiChamp24
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So...what's to stop some one from not connecting to the internet?

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#18 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]This isn't even true. Easyle

Yes it is. Read the entire article.

It makes sense as well, if you think about it.

There wont be any unauthorized content since the key makes it authorized.
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#19 PSdual_wielder
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If in case this is real, sony would only be limited to disabling ps3s that have been hacked and with psn accounts, so that they can brick your console 'legally'. lol

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#20 SaltyMeatballs
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Lol, no just no. I will believe it when I see it.
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#22 shadow8585
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This simply is not true. It is a scare tactic. The news of the jailbreak spread much further than the actual hacker community and Sony is trying to combat against those who want to get free PS3 games and make their own hacks for online but dont know much more than that.
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#23 gamecubepad
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Will never happen. The best they could do is keep you off PSN. That's what MS does, seems to work on some level. Although, it will be a bit harder for Sony in the long run.

I believe that's enough. People who are devoted PS3 fans aren't going to risk a perma-ban, or cat and mouse games with Sony just steal a game from a dev they love and support. I think Uncharted 3 will sell the same amount of copies whether, or not, the ability exist to pirate it.

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#24 Easyle
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M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.
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#25 sonny2dap
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from what I understand the consoles running pirate games using the recent hack would be indistinguishable from consoles running legit copies.
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#26 Kashiwaba
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from what I understand the consoles running pirate games using the recent hack would be indistinguishable from consoles running legit copies.sonny2dap

Not if SONY knows something that hackers don't know about :P.

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#27 dommeus
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[QUOTE="Easyle"][QUOTE="biosolids"]

I wouldnt say they DESTROYED any hopes of jailbreak... first off they would NEVER go as far as rendering console unuseable, they would probably just ban you off PSN l ike they did with the psp or xbox live, so you can still jailbreak your ps3, never go online with it and be perfectly fine.

Eh, it grabs peoples attention. Also, if your never going online, then there really is no point of playing most games anyways. Unless you have a God of War 3, Fallout 3 type of game.

Without online you aren't missing out on much. Singleplayer is where it is 'at'.
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#28 Easyle
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[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]from what I understand the consoles running pirate games using the recent hack would be indistinguishable from consoles running legit copies.Kashiwaba

Not if SONY knows something that hackers don't know about :P.

Exactly. The hackers are simply assuming that Sony is just going to sit on their ass and just watch them try and ruin their system. Not going to happen.
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#29 Giancar
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Who said this? Sony or Digital Foundry?
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#30 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.Easyle
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.
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#31 hiryu3
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like I have said in all these thread, You can always hack a hack. I hope they do it
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#32 Bigboi500
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I hope they ban the **** out of hackers PSN accounts.

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#33 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Easyle"]M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.SAGE_OF_FIRE
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.

Even on 360 there isn't any hardware in case you don't know even hack on 360 is a soft mod (Homebrew).

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#34 Easyle
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[QUOTE="Easyle"]M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.SAGE_OF_FIRE
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.

Ok, but to go online you still have to sign into their servers. There probably will be something to detect that will differentiate people that are hacking from people that aren't and then Sony would swoop in. (Hopefully).
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#35 DroidPhysX
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Lol, no just no. I will believe it when I see it.SaltyMeatballs
It took 4 years to hack the PS3....

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#36 foxhound_fox
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I think Uncharted 3 will sell the same amount of copies whether, or not, the ability exist to pirate it.

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I can almost guarantee that with this new authorization key hack, the piracy rates for Uncharted 3 are going to trump piracy rates for any game in the history of gaming. Maybe not Doom level, but surely higher than anything we've seen so far this generation.

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#37 jalexbrown
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California courts have already ruled that it's illegal for a corporation to brick a unit for being jailbroken. Even if this was by some chance true (I'm skeptical), I doubt Sony would really get far pushing the courts.
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#38 ps3_owns_360Wii
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Never underestimate teh Cell!

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[QUOTE="Easyle"]M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.SAGE_OF_FIRE
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.

Well...unless Sony wanted to scan hard drives on log-in against a database of "illegal" files/programs/whatever. Even if they went through all that work, though, the best they could legally do would be ban the person from PSN. That sounds like a lot of work for not much of a payoff.
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[QUOTE="Easyle"]M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.SAGE_OF_FIRE
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.

This is how I understood it worked, presumably any auto-report feature built into the ps3 would only report problems/modifications made, since this exploit utilises Sony's own key's the PS3 would interpret any hacked code as legit, as far as the ps3's concerned the code is perfectly legit and therefore would report nothing. maybe I'm missing something, oh well we'll wait and see.
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#41 xXDrPainXx
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If it can be created it can be undone. It's always going to be a cat and mouse game when it comes down to this kind of stuff.
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="Easyle"]M$ has done it in the past.. I don't know why people are thinking thats its simply not possible.Easyle
This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything.

Ok, but to go online you still have to sign into their servers. There probably will be something to detect that will differentiate people that are hacking from people that aren't and then Sony would swoop in. (Hopefully).

Unless Sony bricks every PS3 and copy of software in circulation, it ain't happening.

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#43 Easyle
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[QUOTE="Easyle"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] This is different. Microsoft released an update that detected changes with the hardware and would ban that specific console from playing on Xbox Live. With the Ps3 there isn't any hardware modifications at all. You use the same key that Sony uses to authorize content, there is no way for Sony to detect anything. DucksBrains

Ok, but to go online you still have to sign into their servers. There probably will be something to detect that will differentiate people that are hacking from people that aren't and then Sony would swoop in. (Hopefully).

Unless Sony bricks every PS3 and copy of software in circulation, it ain't happening.

All we have so far are a bunch of hackers words to go on. Sony hasn't said much of anything yet.. I wouldn't really count them out yet.
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#44 Shinobi120
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It has to be connected to the internet for that to work. I'm sure that'll be really easy to get around.

If someone wants to pirate on your system badly enough, you cannot stop them. You'd think people would have learned this by now.

DarkLink77

I agree. All hackers, etc., are going to do is find another way around it.

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#45 Mrmccormo
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It has to be connected to the internet for that to work. I'm sure that'll be really easy to get around.

If someone wants to pirate on your system badly enough, you cannot stop them. You'd think people would have learned this by now.

DarkLink77
But if you have pre-loaded your router settings, the PS3 will automatically connect to the internet, even if you don't automatically log in to PSN. That's the point of this article. Hackers would have to delete router information, hack, get some kind of CFW that doesn't show up to Sony, and then set back up their router settings.
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#46 carljohnson3456
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They couldnt with the "master key" hacked consoles though could they?
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#47 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Easyle"][QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

Ok, but to go online you still have to sign into their servers. There probably will be something to detect that will differentiate people that are hacking from people that aren't and then Sony would swoop in. (Hopefully).Easyle

Unless Sony bricks every PS3 and copy of software in circulation, it ain't happening.

All we have so far are a bunch of hackers words to go on. Sony hasn't said much of anything yet.. I wouldn't really count them out yet.

You're still negating the fact that it would be illegal for Sony to brick PS3s; this was already tested in court with the iPods, and it was decided that all Apple could do was disallow access to their networks.
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#48 ShuichiChamp24
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

It has to be connected to the internet for that to work. I'm sure that'll be really easy to get around.

If someone wants to pirate on your system badly enough, you cannot stop them. You'd think people would have learned this by now.

Mrmccormo

But if you have pre-loaded your router settings, the PS3 will automatically connect to the internet, even if you don't automatically log in to PSN. That's the point of this article. Hackers would have to delete router information, hack, get some kind of CFW that doesn't show up to Sony, and then set back up their router settings.

Why not just turn off your router?

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#49 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

It has to be connected to the internet for that to work. I'm sure that'll be really easy to get around.

If someone wants to pirate on your system badly enough, you cannot stop them. You'd think people would have learned this by now.

ShuichiChamp24

But if you have pre-loaded your router settings, the PS3 will automatically connect to the internet, even if you don't automatically log in to PSN. That's the point of this article. Hackers would have to delete router information, hack, get some kind of CFW that doesn't show up to Sony, and then set back up their router settings.

Why not just turn off your router?

If you don't want to play online games you can.

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#50 mike_on_mic
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This is very possible. The only way to prevent it would be to disconnect it form any network that was publicly facing.