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#2 PS3_3DO
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Best Next Gen racer. 8)

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Very pretty Infiniti

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#4 aaronmullan
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Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.
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#5 BioShockOwnz
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Geeze, that game gets better the more I see it. Forza 3 truly does have the best car models and racing environments.

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#6 PS3_3DO
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Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.aaronmullan

Show me a sim racer that has better? yeah that's right there are none.

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.PS3_3DO

Show me a sim racer that has better? yeah that's right there are none.

Well, this game was praised for its realisic environments. All I see is bland as hell environments and stunning looking cars.
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#8 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.aaronmullan

Show me a sim racer that has better? yeah that's right there are none.

Well, this game was praised for its realisic environments. All I see is bland as hell environments and stunning looking cars.

Have you been to a track?
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Have you been to a track?JigglyWiggly_
Yes. And sand does look like repeating textures, does it?

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#10 Camer999
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Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.aaronmullan

The track is completely 3D, this is not a fantasy track. The fantasy tracks will blow your mind.:|

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#11 Camer999
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Have you been to a track?aaronmullan

Yes. And sand does look like repeating textures, does it?

They could fix it by release, doesn't GT have repeating textures?

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#12 rybe1025
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This is how I see the GT Vs Forza thing-

GT- Is like some model. She has always got by on her looks and never had to worry about anything else. In the end the model is all looks and no substance.

Forza -Is the nerdy girl in high school that grew into a hottie. She always had tons of brains and was not ugly but not a full blown hottie. Several years later though the zits are gone, the braces on her teeth are off and she has become a hottie, She still has all the brains just the looks to go with it.

GT looks great but same as Forza. Forza also looks great but same as GT Forza also can add to the list better customization, better A.I., better damage, better physics, better car trading and so on.

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Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.aaronmullan
Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.
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someone should also tell the guys developing forza that brake discs very very very rarely get that bright during the day. NASCAR brakes are easy to see at night on the short tracks but during the day you never see them glow like that.
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.PS3_3DO

Show me a sim racer that has better? yeah that's right there are none.

I don't think I've seen any other completely missing spectators in the stands either.
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.Jrfanfreak88
Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.

Yes because most people that play racing games spend more time looking in the stands then actually watching the road. Oh wait, that's GT racing....

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Have you been to a track?Camer999

Yes. And sand does look like repeating textures, does it?

They could fix it by release, doesn't GT have repeating textures?

They have repeating textures but I've noticed in GT5P that sometimes they'll have foliage next to the track that moves when the cars go by or spectators that move or take pictures when the car is near.
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.MizFitAwesome

Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.

Yes because most people that play racing games spend more time looking in the stands then actually watching the road. Oh wait, that's GT racing....

Yeah well maybe if you've ever watched a race you'd know PEOPLE go to the RACES to WATCH the event take place. Do you think other sports games should just model the empty stadium too and not include any fans? Please.
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.MizFitAwesome

Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.

Yes because most people that play racing games spend more time looking in the stands then actually watching the road. Oh wait, that's GT racing....

Also, why would you make that comment in the first place? If we are just supposed to be watching the roads then who the heck cares about the environments? Are empty seats somehow more important than non-empty seats? Are distant mountains more important that thousands of camera flashes?
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#20 Ross_the_B0SS
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Cool but I'm actually sick of seeing screenshots. I want more videos.

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#21 Jrfanfreak88
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Cool but I'm actually sick of seeing screenshots. I want more videos.

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Agreed.
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[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"] Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.Jrfanfreak88

Yes because most people that play racing games spend more time looking in the stands then actually watching the road. Oh wait, that's GT racing....

Yeah well maybe if you've ever watched a race you'd know PEOPLE go to the RACES to WATCH the event take place. Do you think other sports games should just model the empty stadium too and not include any fans? Please.

Cows were fine with no damage, so I'm pretty sure lems are fine with no dumb *** spectators that run around like dweebs if you touch the barricade (AKA: Prologue). Maybe they'd be worthy if they looked and acted realistic, but they have awful A.I.

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[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"] Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.Jrfanfreak88

Yes because most people that play racing games spend more time looking in the stands then actually watching the road. Oh wait, that's GT racing....

Also, why would you make that comment in the first place? If we are just supposed to be watching the roads then who the heck cares about the environments? Are empty seats somehow more important than non-empty seats? Are distant mountains more important that thousands of camera flashes?

So obviously you areadmitting that GT fans are worried more aboutstyle over substance. When I play a racing sim, I race. I'm not worried about what's in the stands. BTW, if you try to look closely at the 'fans' in most sports games, they look like cardboard cutouts, so why would anyone really care about something so meaningless? You GT fans sure are the most insecure bunch...

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Cows were fine with no damage, so I'm pretty sure lems are fine with no dumb *** spectators that run around like dweebs if you touch the barricade (AKA: Prologue). Maybe they'd be worthy if they looked and acted realistic, but they have awful A.I.

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Just for the record I have never been fine with no damage. All I'm saying is I find it silly that people brag about the environments and fail to see they are all deserted! Racing is the second biggest spectator sport (in terms of attendance) in the world so to me Le Mans looks awfully funny with nobody there watching the race.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Cows were fine with no damage, so I'm pretty sure lems are fine with no dumb *** spectators that run around like dweebs if you touch the barricade (AKA: Prologue). Maybe they'd be worthy if they looked and acted realistic, but they have awful A.I.

Jrfanfreak88

Just for the record I have never been fine with no damage. All I'm saying is I find it silly that people brag about the environments and fail to see they are all deserted! Racing is the second biggest spectator sport (in terms of attendance) in the world so to me Le Mans looks awfully funny with nobody there watching the race.

But look at Prologue. They're silly.

Did Turn 10 say there were no spectators at all?

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So obviously you areadmitting that GT fans are worried more aboutstyle over substance. When I play a racing sim, I race. I'm not worried about what's in the stands. BTW, if you try to look closely at the 'fans' in most sports games, they look like cardboard cutouts, so why would anyone really care about something so meaningless? You GT fans sure are the most insecure bunch...

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No my complaint is that Forza 3 is said to have the most realistic environments ever seen yet they are missing the most essential item that makes them seem more real. If fans weren't important why do we see them in every other sports game out there? The most intoxicating thing about being at a race are the spectators. Do you know what it is like to be in a race track full of 200,000 people, all standing, and cheering so loud that they are louder than the 43 800hp cars on the track? You and everyone else can care less about fans being in the game, but the fact is that in real life without fans the tracks, teams, drivers, and races do not exist. I'm not insecure at all about GT. It has NASCAR in it, what more could I possibly want?
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Cows were fine with no damage, so I'm pretty sure lems are fine with no dumb *** spectators that run around like dweebs if you touch the barricade (AKA: Prologue). Maybe they'd be worthy if they looked and acted realistic, but they have awful A.I.

BioShockOwnz

Just for the record I have never been fine with no damage. All I'm saying is I find it silly that people brag about the environments and fail to see they are all deserted! Racing is the second biggest spectator sport (in terms of attendance) in the world so to me Le Mans looks awfully funny with nobody there watching the race.

But look at Prologue. They're silly.

Did Turn 10 say there were no spectators at all?

They didn't say that BUT every picture and movie I have seen so far I have not been able to see people in the stands which is just weird. They are empty at the track shown at E3 and the one at Le Mans. Will the game have them? Maybe. But, from what I can tell it does not. Also, never said prologue's spectators were perfect, they are very 2007, but having people at the track, in my opinion, is important and I'd rather have them than not.
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Although GT5 will be better, Forza 3 is still going to own. Besides there two completely different experiences. I mean, why not play both. Right? It's getting ridiculous now these threads. How I see it, is that Forza 3 is a very realistic version of Need for speed. If i can say that. You'd be a complete fool to miss both GT5 and Forza 3.

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.Jrfanfreak88
Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.

Forza 2 had animated spectators in the stands. I think it's pretty fair to assume Forza 3 will have them as well when the game ships.
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Did Turn 10 say there were no spectators at all?

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Also, there's many pics of Forza 2 that show spectators all over the place and then some that show empty grandstands so just maybe Forza 3 will have them added in later OR with some racing games there are versions of the track that are empty for test/practice sessions and then a version of the track that is full of people for races.
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#31 Epoq
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I'm with Jrfanfreak88 on this one. Forza 3 may have some of the best graphics yet seen in a racing game, great physics, excellent car models, accurate sound, and the game is probably going to be fun to play... but I won't be buying this one since there aren't any people in the stands. I want my spectators gosh dangit!

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.Jrfanfreak88
Have you noticed that all of the race tracks are empty? No fans in the stands at all. At least GT5P has animated spectators at most tracks.

Thats a sad attempt to nitpick. In forza 2, during races, the stands were full, during free run, tuning, or hotlap, they were empty. They would even cheer at a close finishes sometimes. It depends on what you are doing. Suzuka must just be weird or something, That is the only bad looking track we've seen so far. Even then it's only that one texture. Tuskuba(right?) looks awesome, that mountian place looks awesome, I can't wait until we see a city track.
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#33 SpinoRaptor24
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No spectators? Big deal.

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Guys. Anyone whos played forza 2, knows that there are only spectators during races, not during free run/test drive

Heck, I think gt5P is like that too.

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#35 Jrfanfreak88
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No spectators? Big deal.

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No spectators? Not real.
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#36 Epoq
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Well then, let's take a look at a screenshot from GT5 shall we?



Uh oh, WHERE ARE THE SPECTAORS?!? *wets pants*

:p

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I want to see some gameplay not photo shopped screens.
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Guys. Anyone whos played forza 2, knows that there are only spectators during races, not during free run/test drive

Heck, I think gt5P is like that too.

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Well on the videos it says "start race" when he selects to begin a race. They aren't practicing or test driving I don't think?
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Well "IF" I can get total and complete set-up control, tire deformation, real time telemetry, accurate and consistent physics...I could give a rats *** about the backgrounds and spectators...

Are we really at that level on backgrounds and spectators?.....Nevermind.. Clearly it is

Blahhh..I liked it before when this genre was "boring and not appealing to everyone"

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Well then, let's take a look at a screenshot from GT5 shall we?



Uh oh, WHERE ARE THE SPECTAORS?!? *wets pants*

:p

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GT5P has spectators at this track. Find me a picture or movie of Forza 3 gameplay that has fans and I'll give you a cookie ;)

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#41 SpinoRaptor24
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No spectators? Big deal.

Jrfanfreak88

No spectators? Not real.

Yeah because spectators are going to be a core aspect in Forza 3's gameplay.

:roll:

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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Guys. Anyone whos played forza 2, knows that there are only spectators during races, not during free run/test drive

Heck, I think gt5P is like that too.

Well on the videos it says "start race" when he selects to begin a race. They aren't practicing or test driving I don't think?

Well, I think thats just one of those things, forza 2 is like that, I'm on suzukla, trying to recreate that crappy picture, and when I hit pause, it says finish race in the menu, even though I'm in test drive. Thats not a good indicator. That crappy suzuka texture for the gravel pits, the really noticalbe one, is also in forza 2, except in forza 2, I never noticed it until now.
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Well "IF" I can get total and complete set-up control, tire deformation, real time telemetry, accurate and consistent physics...I could give a rats *** about the backgrounds and spectators...

Are we really at that level on backgrounds and spectators?.....Nevermind.. Clearly it is

Blahhh..I liked it before when this genre was "boring and not appealing to everyone"

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Haha dude someone has to make system wars fun tonight :P This is my payback to all you who didn't read my 4 paragraph post yesterday.
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[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Guys. Anyone whos played forza 2, knows that there are only spectators during races, not during free run/test drive

Heck, I think gt5P is like that too.

Well on the videos it says "start race" when he selects to begin a race. They aren't practicing or test driving I don't think?

Well, I think thats just one of those things, forza 2 is like that, I'm on suzukla, trying to recreate that crappy picture, and when I hit pause, it says finish race in the menu, even though I'm in test drive. Thats not a good indicator. That crappy suzuka texture for the gravel pits, the really noticalbe one, is also in forza 2, except in forza 2, I never noticed it until now.

So instead of "practice sessions" is it practice races?
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[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Guys. Anyone whos played forza 2, knows that there are only spectators during races, not during free run/test drive

Heck, I think gt5P is like that too.

Well on the videos it says "start race" when he selects to begin a race. They aren't practicing or test driving I don't think?

Well, I think thats just one of those things, forza 2 is like that, I'm on suzukla, trying to recreate that crappy picture, and when I hit pause, it says finish race in the menu, even though I'm in test drive. Thats not a good indicator. That crappy suzuka texture for the gravel pits, the really noticalbe one, is also in forza 2, except in forza 2, I never noticed it until now.

It does say "pre-race" at the top of the screen when the menu comes up to start race, access assists, or quit race.
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[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"] Well on the videos it says "start race" when he selects to begin a race. They aren't practicing or test driving I don't think?Jrfanfreak88
Well, I think thats just one of those things, forza 2 is like that, I'm on suzukla, trying to recreate that crappy picture, and when I hit pause, it says finish race in the menu, even though I'm in test drive. Thats not a good indicator. That crappy suzuka texture for the gravel pits, the really noticalbe one, is also in forza 2, except in forza 2, I never noticed it until now.

So instead of "practice sessions" is it practice races?

No, it's that when your in the menu, as long as your gonna do anything that involves driving the car, it referres to it as a race. But still, if you do it through free run, and test drive, there are no spectators.
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#47 Jrfanfreak88
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No spectators? Big deal.

SpinoRaptor24

No spectators? Not real.

Yeah because spectators are going to be a core aspect in Forza 3's gameplay.

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They were! There was going to be a new mode in Forza 3 where you have to find your "fans in the stands". Basically you had to find 8 fans that are wearing your teams colors, much like that one Wii game where you have to find the lookalikes in a crowd! You recruit these fans to your pit crew but if you recruit one with the wrong colors then they will slow you down on pit stops! Unfortunately this idea was scrapped for some new fangled race rewind thing that we've already seen in a Grid. In my opinion this will hurt sales tremendously.
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#48 Jrfanfreak88
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Well "IF" I can get total and complete set-up control, tire deformation, real time telemetry, accurate and consistent physics...I could give a rats *** about the backgrounds and spectators...

Are we really at that level on backgrounds and spectators?.....Nevermind.. Clearly it is

Blahhh..I liked it before when this genre was "boring and not appealing to everyone"

masiisam
Oh, and don't worry, once Forza III and GT5 get reviewed nobody will care about them anymore and we'll get scoffed at for liking racing games haha. Actually, probably for liking motorsports in general :(
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#49 real45
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color look so washed out in these pics. it looks really promising though.

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#50 thelastguy
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Geeze, that game gets worse the more I see it. So much for Forza having the best environments.aaronmullan

Agreed, doesn't look as good as that initial trailer