Killzone 2 did what Halo 3 should have done, but didn't.

Halo 3 used an updated Halo 2 engine sadly, it should had been built from scratch for the 360.

gameplay>>graphics

Yeah, lets rag on Halo 3 for not being a graphical powerhouse.

Nevermind critical acclaim, praised gameplay, and all the success it has - clearly the lack of AA is more important :|

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curse halo for being worth every penny

Yeah, lets rag on Halo 3 for not being a graphical powerhouse.

Nevermind critical acclaim, praised gameplay, and all the success it has - clearly the lack of AA is more important :|

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I think all games are made to make money

So the large streamed enviornments, tons of enemies and physics-enabled objects, and realistic light and shadows didn't matter?

I have 2 PS3's but I can't agree on KZ2 being better than anything. The controls just took away from a great atmosphere and graphics of the game. What were they thinking of introducing this game with horrible controls. That really took away from Killzone's great graphics.

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Yeah, lets rag on Halo 3 for not being a graphical powerhouse.

Nevermind critical acclaim, praised gameplay, and all the success it has - clearly the lack of AA is more important :|

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If you want to throw a term stagnation around, you should direct it at Killzone and to yourself for that matter. If mere enhancements and animation are your idea of how a game should progress, then you need to join us here in 2009. Halo 3 showed us how powerful fun features can be. Forge, the theater and all the community sharing tools are what keep Halo 3 at the top of the most played 360 games 2 years after its release..

For all it's graphical shine, that doesn't seem to help Killzone 2's staying power.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Yeah, lets rag on Halo 3 for not being a graphical powerhouse.

Nevermind critical acclaim, praised gameplay, and all the success it has - clearly the lack of AA is more important :|

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How so? I've played al three extensively and I say Halo 3 deserved all the praise it gets. It's campaign, while not as strong as Halo: CE, is argubably at least on par with that Halo 2. And it's online mode, in my honest opinion, fixed all of the problems of its predecessor. On top of this, it refined the gameplay that made the series great. Obviously, it's gameplay has to be doing something right as it stills logs on nearly 1 million unique users daily and is STILL one of the most popular online games years after its release.

Are you seriously telling me that all due to acclaim and hype of the first Halo?

I have 2 PS3's but I can't agree on KZ2 being better than anything. The controls just took away from a great atmosphere and graphics of the game. What were they thinking of introducing this game with horrible controls. That really took away from Killzone's great graphics.

3rdbass

So...Killzone 2 has better looking graphics, so that mean its better than Halo 3? Halo 3 is pretty much better than Killzone 2 in every single way (except for the graphics, ofcourse).

I actually play R2. I have never really played COD4. LOL. R2 had better controls than KZ2 and personally I feel is a beterr game also.

KZ2 certainly is a graphical showcase of the PS3's capabilities, but 360 already has Gears of War and Gears 2 to do the talking for them. That and we don't play games for graphics. As much as I like KZ2, I disagree with this point. NYrockinlegend

gameplay>>graphics

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gameplay>>graphics

ps3wizard45

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gameplay>>graphics

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]gameplay and graphics > gameplay

That is, be a graphical showcase of the systems capabilities. Halo the first was fun, yes, but what really set it apart was how amazing it looked, it was THE showcase for the original Xbox. Halo 3 did not deliver. And, since this is SWs, here's some more flamebait. Halo 3 isn't even worthy of the Halo moniker since it clearly was made for the sole purpose of cashing in and didn't deliver on the original's purpose...to evolve console technology and push the boundaries of what had been done. Now it's more like "Combat devolved". Deathtransit

All that non-sense about graphics is totally made up by you.

Games aren't made to support fanboy arguments and insecurity. Bungie sets up their goals, not you.

Guys, I'm on a PS3 browser, I can't quote many words. Voodoo- I don't really see how people can call KZ2 stagnant or generic when the haters are criticising it because it DOES play and feel different and doesn't play like COD4. R2 is generic but not KZ2.Deathtransit

Then use a real browser. In the meantime, so whatif it plays different, it's still generic and doesn't come close to halo 3 in terms of community or replayability...

[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="Avian005"]That doesn't make any sense.

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get online, look how many people are playing kz2 compared to halo 3 or cod 4 or 5. people will play the better game in terms of options and gameplay. kz2 has absolutely nothing fantastic in the mp area in comparison to the other big fps games. which is exactly why i got bored of it after a week of playing it online.

Guys, I'm on a PS3 browser, I can't quote many words. Voodoo- I don't really see how people can call KZ2 stagnant or generic when the haters are criticising it because it DOES play and feel different and doesn't play like COD4. R2 is generic but not KZ2.Deathtransit

It's stagnant because it brings little new to the table other than refinements of existing game aspects. Halo 3 offered up great graphics, even greater gameplay wrapped up in excellent community features that few other titles have, all in a single retail package.

Equally stagnant is the idea that graphics are what make and break a game.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="mtradr43"]especially since kz2 is missing one of those.mtradr43

get online, look how many people are playing kz2 compared to halo 3 or cod 4 or 5. people will play the better game in terms of options and gameplay. kz2 has absolutely nothing fantastic in the mp area in comparison to the other big fps games. which is exactly why i got bored of it after a week of playing it online.

Kudos to you for lasting a week. I was back to playing COD after a few days...

Kicknurass. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Halo 3 wouldn't be nearly as huge if the first hadn't branded gamers like it did.Deathtransit

Hype and popularity can help sell games at first, but when the rubber meets the road, it has to deliver the gaming goods if it's going to be reviewed as consistently as it has. It has to be good if people are still playing it and enjoying it 2 years after release.

Having the Matrix name didn't help make Enter the Matrix a quality title. The Star Wars name didn't help the glut of sub-standard Star Wars games out there. So no.... a brand helps, but it has to actually BE good to be labelled as such.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Guys, I'm on a PS3 browser, I can't quote many words. Voodoo- I don't really see how people can call KZ2 stagnant or generic when the haters are criticising it because it DOES play and feel different and doesn't play like COD4. R2 is generic but not KZ2.MizFitAwesome

Then use a real browser. In the meantime, so whatif it plays different, it's still generic and doesn't come close to halo 3 in terms of community or replayability...

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get online, look how many people are playing kz2 compared to halo 3 or cod 4 or 5. people will play the better game in terms of options and gameplay. kz2 has absolutely nothing fantastic in the mp area in comparison to the other big fps games. which is exactly why i got bored of it after a week of playing it online.

Kudos to you for lasting a week. I was back to playing COD after a few days...

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]gameplay and graphics > gameplay

[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="Avian005"]That doesn't make any sense.

Episode_Eve

obviously the gameplay. compared to halo or cod, you have less/ worse maps, less gametypes, less players online, bad mechanics, etc. looking at the two, i cannot see how you can enjoy kz2 more than the others unless you enjoy not getting as much out of your mp as you should be. as far as sp is concerned, its about the same as all other fps games, though i found it less exciting than cods sp adventures.

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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]Guys, I'm on a PS3 browser, I can't quote many words. Voodoo- I don't really see how people can call KZ2 stagnant or generic when the haters are criticising it because it DOES play and feel different and doesn't play like COD4. R2 is generic but not KZ2.Deathtransit

Then use a real browser. In the meantime, so whatif it plays different, it's still generic and doesn't come close to halo 3 in terms of community or replayability...

Dud, don't start arguing meaningless movies with videogames. Mall Cop was realesed at a point which is concidered a dead point for movie releases. The best timeframe for quality moves is thee Summer and Holiday seasons.

Back on topic, Halo had a proven pedigree, KZ didn't, whose fault was that? Saying KZ2 is in leagues with Halo 3 is like trying to sayWolverine: Xmen Origens is better then the Dark Knight. Halo 3is king and Killzone 2 is the court Jester. Deal with it...

Voodoo- I'm not saying Halo 3 is bad, it just didn't deliver on what the first Halo was all about, neither did the second really. Half the fun of the first was playing through the fantastic campaign at the hardest setting with a buddy and being amazed by what the Xbox was capable of. Halo Reach thankfully will have new engine and hopefully a better campaign . Halo 3 is overpraised and massively popular because it's HALO.Deathtransit

That where we disagree...

Halo was never about graphics. Even on the original Xbox, it was outclassed by Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell and Escape from Butcher Bay.

Halo has always been about community play. Halo 1 had some of most addicting gameplay of any console shooter, which is why it was so popular. Halo 2 built on this with a robust and engaging online component - Halo 3 refined that online experience with better incorporation with Bungie.net, Forge, Theatre mode, and community sharing features.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="mtradr43"] especially since kz2 is missing one of those.mtradr43

obviously the gameplay. compared to halo or cod, you have less/ worse maps, less gametypes, less players online, bad mechanics, etc. looking at the two, i cannot see how you can enjoy kz2 more than the others unless you enjoy not getting as much out of your mp as you should be. as far as sp is concerned, its about the same as all other fps games, though i found it less exciting than cods sp adventures.

Which one? I'd like to know.Episode_Eve

obviously the gameplay. compared to halo or cod, you have less/ worse maps, less gametypes, less players online, bad mechanics, etc. looking at the two, i cannot see how you can enjoy kz2 more than the others unless you enjoy not getting as much out of your mp as you should be. as far as sp is concerned, its about the same as all other fps games, though i found it less exciting than cods sp adventures.

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obviously the gameplay. compared to halo or cod, you have less/ worse maps, less gametypes, less players online, bad mechanics, etc. looking at the two, i cannot see how you can enjoy kz2 more than the others unless you enjoy not getting as much out of your mp as you should be. as far as sp is concerned, its about the same as all other fps games, though i found it less exciting than cods sp adventures.

mtradr43

If "online players" and number of "game types" dictate the quality of gameplay then TF2 should be one of the worst MP shooters this gen (which makes absolutely no sense).

[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Most of your concerns are opinions. By the general consensus, KZ2 has great gameplay. Less players online doesn't make the gameplay bad :|.Episode_Eve

If "online players" and number of "game types" dictate the quality of gameplay then TF2 should be one of the worst MP shooters this gen (which makes absolutely no sense).

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[QUOTE="mtradr43"] sometimes it does. considering more people are still playing halo 3 right now than are playing kz2 right now, i think you can say that halo 3 has better gameplay. especially when you factor in the fact that psn is free so more people have access to it than live.rybe1025

If "online players" and number of "game types" dictate the quality of gameplay then TF2 should be one of the worst MP shooters this gen (which makes absolutely no sense).

Would you agree that the Halo series has always been more about multiplayer action than graphics though? The first Halo isn't remembered for being a graphical juggernaut, its remembered because of crazy fun LAN parties (among other things)