Killzone 2 only used half the PS3's processing power!!!

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

no way dude. Black ops looks average. And I can respect you're opinion, but how does black ops have great fire effect, but killzone 2 has bad fire?

Anastasia1997

Black Ops is INCONSISTENT,but some levels really do look exquisite.Like that Vietnam City,Vorkuta,WMD etc.

I just linked you a video of WMD,just look at it and be honest and say what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka2d6Ng5ko

Fast Forward to 8:02...

And here are fire effects...much better than KZs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07zxwCJDc

Cmon dude...YOU posted the pictures couple pages ago,it looks crapish...here is the video full of KZ fire :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4p70wznu8

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Naw Im saying that Black Ops runs at 60fps smoothly(at least on 360,on ps3 10fps less on avg) but in lots of instances looks better than big majority of FPS running at 30fps.Thats why i said-look at their depth of field quality(some of the best i have seen on consoles but its 60fps),lighting,fire effects(great fire effects),skin shader,wet shader,character models etc.Its great,really is.

Bus-A-Bus

no way dude. Black ops looks average. And I can respect you're opinion, but how does black ops have great fire effect, but killzone 2 has bad fire?

Black Ops is INCONSISTENT,but some levels really do look exquisite.Like that Vietnam City,Vorkuta,WMD etc.

I just linked you a video of WMD,just look at it and be honest and say what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka2d6Ng5ko

Fast Forward to 8:02...

And here are fire effects...much better than KZs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07zxwCJDc

my bad. The fire looks pretty good.

But i will stay with my statement that COD looks average. They got 60fps out of it only because it's sub hd. It's a ways away from killzone, RAGE and crysis 2.

Which means the exact same thing.

Regardless of whether you think KZ2 only used 50% of PS3's processing performance, or that they are claiming they managed to optimize it to the point where 50% additional processing performance became available, they are claiming PS3's processing power is twice as capable as what KZ2 achieved.

Quite frankly I think this is getting pathetic. Every game they pull this, it's like they think it's all that's needed to get PS3 gamers hyped. Then again, they had them believing they were buying a super computer during launch; so "more power" probably is all that's needed to send some of them bouncing...

AnnoyedDragon

I still laugh at all the promises they made.

Saying the 4D 120FPS crap.

They also said it would be much much faster than two 6800ultras.

And then they tried showing prerendered videos of games.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

no way dude. Black ops looks average. And I can respect you're opinion, but how does black ops have great fire effect, but killzone 2 has bad fire?

theuncharted34

Black Ops is INCONSISTENT,but some levels really do look exquisite.Like that Vietnam City,Vorkuta,WMD etc.

I just linked you a video of WMD,just look at it and be honest and say what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka2d6Ng5ko

Fast Forward to 8:02...

And here are fire effects...much better than KZs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07zxwCJDc

my bad. The fire looks pretty good.

But i will stay with my statement that COD looks average. They got 60fps out of it only because it's sub hd. It's a ways away from killzone, RAGE and crysis 2.

Yea but they are slightly upping the res...at least on 360 version,by COD 11 it will probably be 720p at this tempo :P

Kiddin...if they upped res at 720p they could probably get about 50fps on avg.Thats not bad with all chaos its going around in COD games...

Well judging by DF analysis 360 version runs at 57fps avg. if Im not mistaking.

No.I have all COD on 360 and best moments from Black Ops simply look better than MW2,no contest.

Bus-A-Bus

You are comparing the 360 versions so your point is moot.

Until you play the PC versions of all the games you won't know what I mean.

Modern Warfare 2 looked a lot better and was running on a newer updated engine than Black Ops.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Black Ops is INCONSISTENT,but some levels really do look exquisite.Like that Vietnam City,Vorkuta,WMD etc.

I just linked you a video of WMD,just look at it and be honest and say what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka2d6Ng5ko

Fast Forward to 8:02...

And here are fire effects...much better than KZs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07zxwCJDc

Bus-A-Bus

my bad. The fire looks pretty good.

But i will stay with my statement that COD looks average. They got 60fps out of it only because it's sub hd. It's a ways away from killzone, RAGE and crysis 2.

Yea but they are slightly upping the res...at least on 360 version,by COD 11 it will probably be 720p at this tempo :P

Kiddin...if they upped res at 720p they could probably get about 50fps on avg.Thats not bad with all chaos its going around in COD games...

If you think i'm buying call of duty 11... :P

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well judging by DF analysis 360 version runs at 57fps avg. if Im not mistaking.

No.I have all COD on 360 and best moments from Black Ops simply look better than MW2,no contest.

Hakkai007

You are comparing the 360 versions so your point is moot.

Until you play the PC versions of all the games you won't know what I mean.

Modern Warfare 2 looked a lot better and was running on a newer updated engine than Black Ops.

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well judging by DF analysis 360 version runs at 57fps avg. if Im not mistaking.

No.I have all COD on 360 and best moments from Black Ops simply look better than MW2,no contest.

Bus-A-Bus

You are comparing the 360 versions so your point is moot.

Until you play the PC versions of all the games you won't know what I mean.

Modern Warfare 2 looked a lot better and was running on a newer updated engine than Black Ops.

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

what engine are they using? a continually enhanced ID tech 4? or a continually enhanced ID tech 2? or 3?

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

You are comparing the 360 versions so your point is moot.

Until you play the PC versions of all the games you won't know what I mean.

Modern Warfare 2 looked a lot better and was running on a newer updated engine than Black Ops.

theuncharted34

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

what engine are they using? a continually enhanced ID tech 4? or a continually enhanced ID tech 2? or 3?

updated(by IW) MW engine>>MW2

updated(by Treyarch) WAW engine(formerly updated MW engine)>>Black Ops

Yea but they are slightly upping the res...at least on 360 version,by COD 11 it will probably be 720p at this tempo :P

Kiddin...if they upped res at 720p they could probably get about 50fps on avg.Thats not bad with all chaos its going around in COD games...

Bus-A-Bus

Adding res could drop performance significantly. But no one will ever know the performance impact unless they get to test it out.

I can tell you that Black Ops was not running anywhere near 60fps most of the time.

And it runs like crap on PC.....I wish they would fire all the developers who ported it over to the PC because they are a disgrace.

First patch took away stuttering but still left low fps and CPU performance problems, second and third patch made the game go back to stuttering.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

Bus-A-Bus

what engine are they using? a continually enhanced ID tech 4? or a continually enhanced ID tech 2? or 3?

updated(by IW) MW engine>>MW2

updated(by Treyarch) WAW engine(formerly updated MW engine)>>Black Ops

but I mean the first call of duty. they used a version of ID tech and have been enhancing that ever since.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Yea but they are slightly upping the res...at least on 360 version,by COD 11 it will probably be 720p at this tempo :P

Kiddin...if they upped res at 720p they could probably get about 50fps on avg.Thats not bad with all chaos its going around in COD games...

Hakkai007

Adding res could drop performance significantly. But no one will ever know the performance impact unless they get to test it out.

I can tell you that Black Ops was not running anywhere near 60fps most of the time.

And it runs like crap on PC.....I wish they would fire all the developers who ported it over to the PC because they are a disgrace.

First patch took away stuttering but still left low fps and CPU performance problems, second and third patch made the game go back to stuttering.

I know that PC version had problems...and about upped res performance Im just taking from prospective of PC gamer,what happens when i up res by ~25%.

Im very "allergic" to frame drops and I rarely experienced those in Black Ops,and DF say the same thing.Performance are very good,57fps at average.

[QUOTE="Anastasia1997"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Black Ops is INCONSISTENT,but some levels really do look exquisite.Like that Vietnam City,Vorkuta,WMD etc.

I just linked you a video of WMD,just look at it and be honest and say what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka2d6Ng5ko

Fast Forward to 8:02...

And here are fire effects...much better than KZs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07zxwCJDc

Cmon dude...YOU posted the pictures couple pages ago,it looks crapish...here is the video full of KZ fire :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4p70wznu8

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

Bus-A-Bus

Your point is not valid unless you stay in the confines of consoles.

You cannot make a statement that encompasses the game as a whole because the PC versions are the ones with the best graphics.

Your statement was Black Ops looks better than World at War.

It was not Black Ops on the 360 looks better than World at War on the 360.

My statement encompasses the max potential of the games because I am using the platform which displayed them at the highest settings.

And yes World of War looks better than Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 looks better than both.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

what engine are they using? a continually enhanced ID tech 4? or a continually enhanced ID tech 2? or 3?

theuncharted34

updated(by IW) MW engine>>MW2

updated(by Treyarch) WAW engine(formerly updated MW engine)>>Black Ops

but I mean the first call of duty. they used a version of ID tech and have been enhancing that ever since.

Oh that,yes.Bungie also uses enhanced Halo 2 engine,Lionhead also uses it for Fable etc. ;)

I still laugh at all the promises they made.

Saying the 4D 120FPS crap.

They also said it would be much much faster than two 6800ultras.

And then they tried showing prerendered videos of games.

Hakkai007

What disturbs me is the ones that maintained the pre-launch hype even after it came out. Fine, if you are a little out of touch with reality; you may have believed Sony was selling you a super computer in the form of a assembly line console. Particularly with all the CGI footage and tech demos they showed; claiming they represented the consoles capabilities.

But after... even at the end of 2010; believing PS3 is a super computer? That's disturbing. I've actually spoken to some people who are convinced Killzone 2 in game beat the visuals in the CPI trailer...

You can forgive Sony for their ridiculous over hype prior to launch, they were just trying to sell units. But the number of times they have claimed "more power!" after launch is getting ridiculous, it's pretty much a requirement every few games at this point.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

what engine are they using? a continually enhanced ID tech 4? or a continually enhanced ID tech 2? or 3?

theuncharted34

updated(by IW) MW engine>>MW2

updated(by Treyarch) WAW engine(formerly updated MW engine)>>Black Ops

but I mean the first call of duty. they used a version of ID tech and have been enhancing that ever since.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

How so?My point is as valid as yours.When i play MW2 on my 360 and then go to play Black Ops,BO clearly comes ahead when it comes to graphics.No doubt about it...maybe on PC is different,probably is...

Hakkai007

Your point is not valid unless you stay in the confines of consoles.

You cannot make a statement that encompasses the game as a whole because the PC versions are the ones with the best graphics.

Your statement was Black Ops looks better than World at War.

It was not Black Ops on the 360 looks better than World at War on the 360.

My statement encompasses the max potential of the games because I am using the platform which displayed them at the highest settings.

And yes World of War looks better than Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 looks better than both.

Well of course I'm talking about 360 versions man.MW2 on PC surely looks better than Black Ops on 360...no brainer...

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Hey Bus-A-Bus, dont you have some juicy Crysis news to tell? I'm getting desperate for a fix. Just a taste???

Bus-A-Bus

Have you seen newest scans? :)

Indeed!

I got so excited I had my wife get me a second 460GTX for christmas (prematurely). I love her!

Edit: And Crysis as well of course :P

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

updated(by IW) MW engine>>MW2

updated(by Treyarch) WAW engine(formerly updated MW engine)>>Black Ops

gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf

but I mean the first call of duty. they used a version of ID tech and have been enhancing that ever since.

In my opinion to :)

I know that PC version had problems...and about upped res performance Im just taking from prospective of PC gamer,what happens when i up res by ~25%.

Im very "allergic" to frame drops and I rarely experienced those in Black Ops,and DF say the same thing.Performance are very good,57fps at average.

Bus-A-Bus

Well if you go by PC games it depends on things like RAM, VRAM etc. etc.

Going from 1600x1024 to 1680x1050 could drop performance by a lot.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Hey Bus-A-Bus, dont you have some juicy Crysis news to tell? I'm getting desperate for a fix. Just a taste???

Filthybastrd

Have you seen newest scans? :)

Indeed!

I got so excited I had my wife get me a second 460GTX for christmas (prematurely). I love her!

Edit: And Crysis as well of course :P

LOL :D I think we could get some news for Christmas...maybe Crytek are not releasing anything since all that they released was couple month older builds than the day they showed it.What a stupid stupid decision...:lol:

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

I know that PC version had problems...and about upped res performance Im just taking from prospective of PC gamer,what happens when i up res by ~25%.

Im very "allergic" to frame drops and I rarely experienced those in Black Ops,and DF say the same thing.Performance are very good,57fps at average.

Hakkai007

Well if you go by PC games it depends on things like RAM, VRAM etc. etc.

Going from 1600x1024 to 1680x1050 could drop performance by a lot.

Indeed,I was talking about general examples that happened to me.

Well of course I'm talking about 360 versions man.MW2 on PC surely looks better than Black Ops on 360...no brainer...

Bus-A-Bus

.....sigh..I never mentioned the 360 version.

I am talking about the highest potential so I am comparing "both" yes "both" on the PC and Modern Warfare 2 looks much better than Black Ops, even World at War looks better.

[QUOTE="gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

but I mean the first call of duty. they used a version of ID tech and have been enhancing that ever since.

Bus-A-Bus

In my opinion to :)

not mine :P

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf"] Gotta admit quake 3 engine first used in 1999 lol, and all they've been doing is just updating it as they go along all this time. the games look pretty goddamn good for updated quake 3 engine look better than halo reach to me honestly.theuncharted34

In my opinion to :)

not mine :P

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well of course I'm talking about 360 versions man.MW2 on PC surely looks better than Black Ops on 360...no brainer...

Hakkai007

.....sigh..I never mentioned the 360 version.

I am talking about the highest potential so I am comparing "both" yes "both" on the PC and Modern Warfare looks much better than Black Ops, even World at War looks better.

Oh the irony!

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

In my opinion to :)

gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf

not mine :P

teh foliage you say? :P

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well of course I'm talking about 360 versions man.MW2 on PC surely looks better than Black Ops on 360...no brainer...

Hakkai007

.....sigh..I never mentioned the 360 version.

I am talking about the highest potential so I am comparing "both" yes "both" on the PC and Modern Warfare looks much better than Black Ops, even World at War looks better.

Well I respectively disagree.

Oh the irony!

theuncharted34

What irony?

Well I respectively disagree.

Bus-A-Bus

How would you know?

You never played the PC version of both games.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Oh the irony!

Hakkai007

What irony?

nobody mentioned the pc version.

nobody mentioned the pc version.

theuncharted34

He said Black Ops looks better so you have to compare them at their highest potential.

He never said Black Ops on the 360 looks better than the other 360 CoD games.

I think it was around 60% in KZ2, which is pretty good. Only UC2 is said to be using a 100% in the best looking scenes in the game. It looks like KZ2 has been improved a bit, and considering that they can add CO-OP, splitscreen, and more stuff on screen at once, they must have improved they're engine.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well I respectively disagree.

Hakkai007

How would you know?

You never played the PC version of both games.

I have played WAW on PC and NO,it does not look better than Black Ops.Thats all Im saying.Black Ops on consoles looks better than WAW,and Black Ops on PC looks better than WAW.I know you are mad at unoptimized PC version of BO but you are taking this to far...

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

nobody mentioned the pc version.

Hakkai007

He said Black Ops looks better so you have to compare them at their highest potential.

He never said Black Ops on the 360 looks better than the other 360 CoD games.

says who? he was comparing the console versions.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Well I respectively disagree.

Bus-A-Bus

How would you know?

You never played the PC version of both games.

I have played WAW on PC and NO,it does not look better than Black Ops.Thats all Im saying.Black Ops on consoles looks better than WAW,and Black Ops on PC looks better than WAW.I know you are mad at unoptimized PC version of BO but you are taking this to far...

I think it was around 60% in KZ2, which is pretty good. Only UC2 is said to be using a 100% in the best looking scenes in the game. It looks like KZ2 has been improved a bit, and considering that they can add CO-OP, splitscreen, and more stuff on screen at once, they must have improved they're engine.

Martin_G_N

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

nobody mentioned the pc version.

Hakkai007

He said Black Ops looks better so you have to compare them at their highest potential.

He never said Black Ops on the 360 looks better than the other 360 CoD games.

I thought it was logical to conclude that we were talking about console versions here.And when I said that 360 version of Black Ops looks better than any older COD you turned your story around...oh misunderstanding :)

says who? he was comparing the console versions.

theuncharted34

His first statement never mention a console.

Overall my statement is more correct because it is both games at their best.

It's like I if run two games at medium settings and say A looks better than B but ignore that on high settings B looks better than A.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

So if you guys believe GG and other Sony 1st party studios when they say that "game x cant be done on console y" or "we only use 33.46% of ps3 power" do you now believe KZ2 can be done on 360?I mean...after all,it only uses 50% of its power :P

Anastasia1997

lol, i cant believe people still believe PR crap like this :Pnavyguy21

I thought it was logical to conclude that we were talking about console versions here.And when I said that 360 version of Black Ops looks better than any older COD you turned your story around...oh misunderstanding :)

Bus-A-Bus

So I am supposed to assume you were talking about 360? Sorry but I don't read minds here.

There was no official title in the thread that said "only discussing console titles".

Unless you state that you meant "360 only" then you were including the PC version.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

says who? he was comparing the console versions.

Hakkai007

His first statement never mention a console.

Overall my statement is more correct because it is both games at their best.

It's like I if run two games at medium settings and say A looks better than B but ignore that on high settings B looks better than A.

Black Ops maxed out looks better than WAW maxed out,and so does 360 version in comparison with 360 version of WAW.Here,simple as that.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]lol, i cant believe people still believe PR crap like this :Pjohnnyblazed88