Killzone 3 sales are disappointing. KZ2's launch may outsell (link)

I find this one to be a lot better than theone he got.

Demonjoe93

Someone mind letting me know what has happened the past 200 posts, and why MGS is in a Killzone VGChartz sales thread?

That is unfortunate since killzone 3 is actually a really really good game. Stupid reviewers got the reviews wrong. Killzone 2 sucked and killzone 3 is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53cX2XRfsg

Dude, don't even bother wasting your time with this guy. I've seen a lot of his posts before and I've come to believe that he's just a troll. Whenever I see his posts they're stupid inflammatory comments hating on just about everything that's popular (except Call of Duty and Halo which he prefers to dick-ride, also for trolling reasons probably too), Nintendo, Metal Gear Solid, Killzone, Battlefield, I'm pretty surethis guy hates on everything just to piss people off.

Demonjoe93

No offense but your not really helping your case with that terrible pic, not to mention the fact that MGS cannot touch Warhead with a 10 foot pole.

Ultra_Combo

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]

Nope, not at all. :) Hope this doesn't make you...*blush*

:lol::lol::lol:

Demonjoe93

No offense but your not really helping your case with that terrible pic, not to mention the fact that MGS cannot touch Warhead with a 10 foot pole.

I find this one to be a lot better than theone he got.

Not even Top 5 on consoles.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

The reviews praised the multiplayer. You fail.

Demonjoe93

But can we agree it's worse than Black Ops?

No. I have Black Ops; it's good, but it's no AAA game and it's certainly not better than Killzone 3, or Killzone 2 for that matter. Killzone 3 may not have a dozen different kind of perks for kill streaks and to equip but what it does have is the Warzone mode which is fantastic, an Operations mode with cutscenes featuring players who do objectives, more balanced maps (at least more so than the last game where ISA would always win) that don't seem like they're designed to camp like some of the maps I've played in Black Ops cough*WMD*cough, maps have a large variety and strategic uniqueness to them like that one place with the jet-packs, the other place with the mechs, a snow place that emphasises the ability to snipe and to avoid getting sniped and other nice places. Of course Killzone 3 is far from perfect, I hate how everyone now gets proximity mines, brutal melee is just cheap and unfair at times, I'll be right on top of them and try to use it and won't work, but they'll by like five feet away from me and manage to pull it off and it really gets excessive when people do itwith the Infiltrator **** and I miss custom games. Despite some of those dumb changes to Killzone the multiplayer I stillfindbetter than Black Ops because due tomap designthere's more camping, more cheap ways to die(my favorite example is when somebody will get a machine gun in a chopper and start spawn-camping us), anda lower skill ceiling due to perks.

So no, I really can't say Killzone 3's multiplayer is worse than Black Ops.

9.0 > 8.5.

88 > 85.

That is unfortunate since killzone 3 is actually a really really good game. Stupid reviewers got the reviews wrong. Killzone 2 sucked and killzone 3 is awesome.

nhh18

Couldn't agree more. I have no idea how KZ2 got AAA score with a worst plot, less varied gameplay and horrible horrible controls. KZ2 should have got a 8.0 and KZ3 a 9.0.

It seems every thread with the name "killzone" in it turns into a Crysis graphics thread.Its so exciting.

wouldn't be surprised, the multiplayer is largely a POS, and the campaign is just laughable.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

That is unfortunate since killzone 3 is actually a really really good game. Stupid reviewers got the reviews wrong. Killzone 2 sucked and killzone 3 is awesome.

3rdbass

Couldn't agree more. I have no idea how KZ2 got AAA score with a worst plot, less varied gameplay and horrible horrible controls. KZ2 should have got a 8.0 and KZ3 a 9.0.

I heard they spent alot of time and effort trying to make this game 3D. Well most people don't even have 3D tv's right now. Some people still don't even have HD tv's. They should have spent the 3D budget on either Marketing or better MP if they wanted to increase sales.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

wouldn't be surprised, the multiplayer is largely a POS, and the campaign is just laughable.

Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

wouldn't be surprised, the multiplayer is largely a POS, and the campaign is just laughable.

MFDOOM1983

True. Killzone 2 is an example.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Because bad games get 8.5's....SHR3DD3D

True. Killzone 2 is an example.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Some even manage AAA scores....MFDOOM1983

True. Killzone 2 is an example.

Pretty much. Killzone 2, with its short and generic campaign, uninteresting characters and horrible story line and terrible controls, as well as clumsy, unrealistic gameplay, accompanied by its unplayable multiplayer mode, got an 9.0 is still beyond me.

I think Crysis got its very high score in the same way, as well.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

wouldn't be surprised, the multiplayer is largely a POS, and the campaign is just laughable.

Bread_or_Decide

They certainly have.

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

Crysis 2 is more than Killzone 3 though. it has the graphics and the nanosuit feature in its gameplay...killzone3 is just a FPS, thats it. it is just graphics and no substance...at least crysis 2 has a little something different to it.

LucidJubilation

Infiltrator has speed, and the ability to disguise as the enemy. Also takes less time to activate explosive objectives.

Marksmen has the ability to cloak, while also jamming radar.

All ****s and unlock the use of extra armour, anytime prior to spawning you can activiate the use of this skill.

I'll just keep going since so many in here haven't even played the game lol.

Tactician has the ability to pull up radar to show enemy locations for team mates or spot and mark enemies that will show up as icons on his screen. While also have Ataks for air support. While also having the ability to activate tactical spawn points while also having a much faster take over time of capture points.

Engineer can deploy turrents, fix ammo crates repair exo's, while also having the ability to hack a enemy turrent and take it over as his own.

Medics can deploy a bot that provides cover fire while healing or just to give you a heads up on enemy locations. The ability to heal team mates while giving them a full load out of ammo and explosives. Also the ability to revive himself one time aswell (The Walking Dead) :)

Oh yea this game has no substance at all huh :roll:

the nanosuit is all in one though and you dont have to jump through hoops to switch things up. you can use the abilities when you feel like it and intermingle them. its just different friend, for console members at least. i'm sure you can see that can't you? or are you going to name some more ****s for me? the game is shallow, regular, nothing new or impressive to it. how can people say there r no new unique experiences out there then depend a game that does nothing new.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

wouldn't be surprised, the multiplayer is largely a POS, and the campaign is just laughable.

Verge_6

They certainly have.

what? yet another overly hyped PS3 exclusive (teh Graphics) sells poorly.

who would have ever thunk it?

wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Sony doesnt market their games, now would it?

this is all the 360 GOT Killzoned remarks coming home to roost, but i didnt think it would happen this soon.

Gears 3 and Forza 3 will fly off the shelves (not bad for a system that according to cows has been on its Last Legs since 2006), score thru the roof in reviews, and get lambasted by the same cows who are now ''Once again'' in damage control mode over this latest PS3 sales flop.

the world is still waiting for Sony to re-think their busines strategy of sinking millions into development of exclusives that DONT sell and into a strategy that turns a profit like MS did with Kinect.

looks like sell outs Microsoft and Nintendo were on to something and folks STILL dont get it.

keep turning out those exclusives that dont sell sony, you'll hit paydirt soon.......i guess. meanwhile dead in the water with no exclusives 360 continues to laugh while the Brinks truck pulls up to the office at redmond washington on a now Hourly basis.

let the flaming and damage control begin.bryn8150

Bravo post. But as usual, Cows are going to either downplay it or ignore it.

Also, MS has proved that you don't need a ton of 1st party exclusives to try to be successful. Remember, quality over quantity.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

True. Killzone 2 is an example.

SHR3DD3D

Pretty much. Killzone 2, with its short and generic campaign, uninteresting characters and horrible story line and terrible controls, as well as clumsy, unrealistic gameplay, accompanied by its unplayable multiplayer mode, got an 9.0 is still beyond me.

I think Crysis got its very high score in the same way, as well.

[QUOTE="3rdbass"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

That is unfortunate since killzone 3 is actually a really really good game. Stupid reviewers got the reviews wrong. Killzone 2 sucked and killzone 3 is awesome.

-ArchAngeL-777-

Couldn't agree more. I have no idea how KZ2 got AAA score with a worst plot, less varied gameplay and horrible horrible controls. KZ2 should have got a 8.0 and KZ3 a 9.0.

1-Marksmen, if radar is jammed you know he is within about a 15-20 yard radius. You have awareness that counter acts it.

2- Infiltrator, you can cross hair him or pop a few shots at someone. Just me randomly running around does a infiltrator get by me. Your just crysing now. also a tactician see's his red dot on screen.

3- Spawn grenades were no more than a spawn killing machine. KZ2 was filled with spawn camping and spawn grenade camping. Tactical spawns are awesome, but they should have had squad leader spawning aswell.

4- Auot balancing and switch sides is coming in the upcoming patch.

5- They are currently looking into having 12 man squad system. Everyone and their brother knows that servers is better. But how many games actually have server listings now? Thanks to Halo lol.

6-K3 maps wrecks KZ2 maps. Once again KZ2 maps it was overly easy to just spawn rape the other team. Heck they were even using spawn grenades and tossing them into the other team default spawn area. I think ppl coming about what you are complaining about are just mad they can't spawn rape ppl as much or as easily in KZ3

7-Player motion in KZ2 was a chore and while I got use to it and enjoyed it. It sucks to the motion and feel of your character now in KZ3. Its not even debateable. People weren't even finishing the SP in KZ2 cause of it. Much less really getting into the MP side of the game cause of it. I could play 3 matches in KZ2 and feel like I had lifted weights for the day. While KZ3 I can play and not even feel slightly wore out from the game.

GG's just need to add more maps to Operations and they already have some for Warzone on its way. The game and MP is just awesome. Played all day and not once got spawn camped. KZ2 it was notorious for having game that you couldn't even get out of your spawn.

Remember, quality over quantity.

garland51

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

VoodooHak

[QUOTE="bryn8150"]

what? yet another overly hyped PS3 exclusive (teh Graphics) sells poorly.

who would have ever thunk it?

wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Sony doesnt market their games, now would it?

this is all the 360 GOT Killzoned remarks coming home to roost, but i didnt think it would happen this soon.

Gears 3 and Forza 3 will fly off the shelves (not bad for a system that according to cows has been on its Last Legs since 2006), score thru the roof in reviews, and get lambasted by the same cows who are now ''Once again'' in damage control mode over this latest PS3 sales flop.

the world is still waiting for Sony to re-think their busines strategy of sinking millions into development of exclusives that DONT sell and into a strategy that turns a profit like MS did with Kinect.

looks like sell outs Microsoft and Nintendo were on to something and folks STILL dont get it.

keep turning out those exclusives that dont sell sony, you'll hit paydirt soon.......i guess. meanwhile dead in the water with no exclusives 360 continues to laugh while the Brinks truck pulls up to the office at redmond washington on a now Hourly basis.

let the flaming and damage control begin.garland51

Bravo post. But as usual, Cows are going to either downplay it or ignore it.

Also, MS has proved that you don't need a ton of 1st party exclusives to try to be successful. Remember, quality over quantity.

well luckily PS3 when it comes to exclusives it had quality exclusives in quantity.. as for 360 well Halo reach (released sept 2010) was the last quality exclusive and the next one will be out later on this year.. so 360 has quality exlusives but i wish there were a bit more..

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

I didn't say they didn't enjoy the MP or the gameplay, I only claimed they enjoyed its graphics the most. ;)

Which you can clearly see from the review, on "The Good", that astonishing visuals appear to be the most positive aspect of the game.

SHR3DD3D

Umm where are you pulling that from. Hell the astonishing visuals good mark is the last thing they add. Dude just stop. Your really reaching for something that isint there and its making you look silly.

Well, if anything, it's probably not going to be the campaign or multiplayer that make them want to return to Killzone 3. :)

Admit it, you're probably playing CoD on your PS3 right now.

You probably also helped make Black Ops become the best-selling PS3 game in history, destroying all exclusives.

LMAO First off no im not playing cod and the only reason I own it is cause my uncle bought it for me. I could have lived without it. I also only play MP if my friend ask me if I want to play and I play not because I want to play the game but because hes my friend. ALso again stop pulling BS out of your bum.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

GreyFoXX4

I acknowledge those differences, but they all seem relatively incremental for sequel. More/different enemies, next chapter in the story, some technical upgrades... I would think those are expected. If they do only what's expected, they lose much, if not all, of they're 'Wow' potential.

Killzone 2 benefited from being on brand new hardware that could handle GG's ambition. That was their hook. It worked and their praise is well-deserved.

KZ3 just seems to fall flat in that regard, and I think the sales lend some credence to that idea. Maybe it just comes down to marketing. What bullet points could ads latch onto? The only thing people seemed to focus on was, again, the visuals. I saw a little buzz about the melee kills, but it didn't amount to much in terms of getting people excited.

"Huge" difference between the two? I think you're exaggerating.

I'm not questioning the overall quaility of the game. I'm just trying to figure out why KZ3 isn't as big of a deal as KZ2 was.

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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Umm where are you pulling that from. Hell the astonishing visuals good mark is the last thing they add. Dude just stop. Your really reaching for something that isint there and its making you look silly.

finalfantasy94

Well, if anything, it's probably not going to be the campaign or multiplayer that make them want to return to Killzone 3. :)

Admit it, you're probably playing CoD on your PS3 right now.

You probably also helped make Black Ops become the best-selling PS3 game in history, destroying all exclusives.

LMAO First off no im not playing cod and the only reason I own it is cause my uncle bought it for me. I could have lived without it. I also only play MP if my friend ask me if I want to play and I play not because I want to play the game but because hes my friend. ALso again stop pulling BS out of your bum.

So you're unique, or something? Mostly online games sell well on the PS3.

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

VoodooHak

Usally sequels suffer from this Gears 1-2 didint have that big of leap ether. Cod mw1-2 hell if anything it got worse.

Altho I can only vouch for myself, I strongly believe the reason K3 isn't selling as good asits sequelis because of the many justified complaints derived from K2. I personally was too turned off from K2 that I decide not to pick up its sequel, and I feel many people did the same. I don't think it has too much to do with Sony doing a terrible job at marketing it. COD has sequels after sequels and it does a fine job at maintaining it's fanbase.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

Well, if anything, it's probably not going to be the campaign or multiplayer that make them want to return to Killzone 3. :)

Admit it, you're probably playing CoD on your PS3 right now.

You probably also helped make Black Ops become the best-selling PS3 game in history, destroying all exclusives.

SHR3DD3D

LMAO First off no im not playing cod and the only reason I own it is cause my uncle bought it for me. I could have lived without it. I also only play MP if my friend ask me if I want to play and I play not because I want to play the game but because hes my friend. ALso again stop pulling BS out of your bum.

So you're unique, or something? Mostly online games sell well on the PS3.

Umm what does this comment have to do with anything. Unless you missed the part I bolded in which you said people wont come back for the mp which is complete bs.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

finalfantasy94

Usally sequels suffer from this Gears 1-2 didint have that big of leap ether. Cod mw1-2 hell if anything it got worse.

Modern Warfare 2 was a hundred times more polished and more entertaining than CoD4. It's correct that Gears 2 was a disaster compared to the original, though.

Altho I can only vouch for myself, I strongly believe the reason K3 isn't selling as good asits sequelis because of the many justified complaints derived from K2. I personally was too turned off from K2 that I decide not to pick up its sequel, and I feel many people did the same. I don't think it has too much to do with Sony doing a terrible job at marketing it. COD has sequels after sequels and it does a fine job at maintaining it's fanbase.

dark-warmachine

Umm cod is marketed quite well. KZ3 was not marketed well.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

LMAO First off no im not playing cod and the only reason I own it is cause my uncle bought it for me. I could have lived without it. I also only play MP if my friend ask me if I want to play and I play not because I want to play the game but because hes my friend. ALso again stop pulling BS out of your bum.

finalfantasy94

So you're unique, or something? Mostly online games sell well on the PS3.

Umm what does this comment have to do with anything. Unless you missed the part I bolded in which you said people wont come back for the mp which is complete bs.

No offence, but I don't think KZ3's multiplayer--being clumsy and a generic CoD clone--will be a huge hit. GG doesn't know how to do a good multiplayer, that will attract many gamers for months and years.

If Killzone 4 is released and fails, people won't go back to Killzone 3, they will probably go back to CoD, for having a superior MP mode.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

So you're unique, or something? Mostly online games sell well on the PS3.

SHR3DD3D

Umm what does this comment have to do with anything. Unless you missed the part I bolded in which you said people wont come back for the mp which is complete bs.

No offence, but I don't think KZ3's multiplayer--being clumsy and a generic CoD clone--will be a huge hit. GG doesn't know how to do a good multiplayer, that will attract many gamers for months and years.

If Killzone 4 is released and fails, people won't go back to Killzone 3, they will probably go back to CoD, for having a superior MP mode.

DO you have any proof you played the MP? Also KZ3 is far from clumsy or generic(since class base system spices it up sorta like BFBC2). Its a much better experiance then COD.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I'm still playing through the campaign, but so far, I'm failing to see what sets KZ3 significantly apart from 2. The story and presentation, sure. I'll give it that. Tweaking the gunplay. OK. I can buy that.

What about something significant? Something that should make people sit up and take notice other than the visuals?

I'm surprised no one's played the "Killzone 2.5" card yet. Or maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Of course, I'll withhold judgment until I finish, but so far, KZ3 hasn't endeared itself to me.

SHR3DD3D

Usally sequels suffer from this Gears 1-2 didint have that big of leap ether. Cod mw1-2 hell if anything it got worse.

Modern Warfare 2 was a hundred times more polished and more entertaining than CoD4. It's correct that Gears 2 was a disaster compared to the original, though.

MW2 was the worse COD. Unbalanced mp and crap story.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Umm where are you pulling that from. Hell the astonishing visuals good mark is the last thing they add. Dude just stop. Your really reaching for something that isint there and its making you look silly.

finalfantasy94

Well, if anything, it's probably not going to be the campaign or multiplayer that make them want to return to Killzone 3. :)

Admit it, you're probably playing CoD on your PS3 right now.

You probably also helped make Black Ops become the best-selling PS3 game in history, destroying all exclusives.

LMAO First off no im not playing cod and the only reason I own it is cause my uncle bought it for me. I could have lived without it. I also only play MP if my friend ask me if I want to play and I play not because I want to play the game but because hes my friend. ALso again stop pulling BS out of your bum.

This.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

So you're unique, or something? Mostly online games sell well on the PS3.

SHR3DD3D

Umm what does this comment have to do with anything. Unless you missed the part I bolded in which you said people wont come back for the mp which is complete bs.

No offence, but I don't think KZ3's multiplayer--being clumsy and a generic CoD clone--will be a huge hit. GG doesn't know how to do a good multiplayer, that will attract many gamers for months and years.

If Killzone 4 is released and fails, people won't go back to Killzone 3, they will probably go back to CoD, for having a superior MP mode.

Killzone 3's multiplayer is almost nothing like Call of Duty's. Where are you getting this stuff from?

Check you sources first before putting article up. VGchartz is as accurate as trying to kill a fly with a heavy axe.

dreman999

This videoperfectly summarises my feelings about the game.

i blame geohot and lg for slow ps3 and ps3 games sales from now on. after these issues are cleared the ps3 will continue to sell by the boatloads and close the gap for sure

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Umm what does this comment have to do with anything. Unless you missed the part I bolded in which you said people wont come back for the mp which is complete bs.

finalfantasy94

No offence, but I don't think KZ3's multiplayer--being clumsy and a generic CoD clone--will be a huge hit. GG doesn't know how to do a good multiplayer, that will attract many gamers for months and years.

If Killzone 4 is released and fails, people won't go back to Killzone 3, they will probably go back to CoD, for having a superior MP mode.

DO you have any proof you played the MP? Also KZ3 is far from clumsy or generic(since class base system spices it up sorta like BFBC2). Its a much better experiance then COD.

I always read a lot of reviews of games and watch videos of them. And I must honestly say, things aren't looking very good for Killzone 3...

It's already flopped in sales in the UK and critics didn't like the game as much as Killzone 2. Are you seriously saying it's going to suddenly be a gigantic hit, outselling the best-selling PS3 game in history, Black Ops, and that it will manage to attract 1 million unique PSN users to its multiplayer mode 2 years after release, like Halo 3 managed to?

i blame geohot and lg for slow ps3 and ps3 games sales from now on. after these issues are cleared the ps3 will continue to sell by the boatloads and close the gap for sure

_SWAG_

hmm, could be

but a LOT of pple have no idea who that even is

This videoperfectly summarises my feelings about the game.

gamedude234