Killzone 3 sales are disappointing. KZ2's launch may outsell (link)

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

No offence, but I don't think KZ3's multiplayer--being clumsy and a generic CoD clone--will be a huge hit. GG doesn't know how to do a good multiplayer, that will attract many gamers for months and years.

If Killzone 4 is released and fails, people won't go back to Killzone 3, they will probably go back to CoD, for having a superior MP mode.

SHR3DD3D

DO you have any proof you played the MP? Also KZ3 is far from clumsy or generic(since class base system spices it up sorta like BFBC2). Its a much better experiance then COD.

I always read a lot of reviews of games and watch videos of them. And I must honestly say, things aren't looking very good for Killzone 3...

It's already flopped in sales in the UK and critics didn't like the game as much as Killzone 2. Are you seriously saying it's going to suddenly be a gigantic hit, outselling the best-selling PS3 game in history, Black Ops, and that it will manage to attract 1 million unique PSN users to its multiplayer mode 2 years after release, like Halo 3 managed to?

This right here kills anything you have to say about the game and gameplay itself. If you havent played and put any time into it then how do you form an opinion on it. Also sales doesint equal quality.

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gamedude234

Ill give him custom games and thats about it. I pretty much disagree with everythign els. Also him saying your lieing to yourself makes him come off as a dbag plan and simple.

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gamedude234

i see what he's saying but alot of it is talking out of his a$$.

i think people forgot that it's a business...

I can't play a million people, don't need a million or ven close to that. I've had more fun playing the die hards on UT3 than anything else this gen. Worst lem argument ever.Deathtransit

that's not the smartest answer either if you think having one million people playing the game it's only good if you play them all....you think they would keep the servers up if there few people playing?

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"] I can't play a million people, don't need a million or ven close to that. I've had more fun playing the die hards on UT3 than anything else this gen. Worst lem argument ever.CheveLoco

that's not the smartest answer either if you think having one million people playing the game it's only good if you play them all....you think they would keep the servers up if there few people playing?

cod2 servers said hi

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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"] I can't play a million people, don't need a million or ven close to that. I've had more fun playing the die hards on UT3 than anything else this gen. Worst lem argument ever.eboyishere

that's not the smartest answer either if you think having one million people playing the game it's only good if you play them all....you think they would keep the servers up if there few people playing?

cod2 servers said hi

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gamedude234

The fanboyism in this thread is strong.

8.5 is a great score, and KZ3 is a great game. Even if it flopped, it's fun. Deal with it.

i enjoyed kz3 alot more than kz2, the fact that its sales are low is a little sad as its a really fun game.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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BedBugMan

I think he did focus a bit too much on the negative. But... he does articulate his reasons.

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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VoodooHak

I think he did focus a bit too much on the negative. But... he does articulate his reasons.

Yea but saying things like theres no denying what I say which was basicly no improvementfrom KZ2 makes him look pretty much like a joke. You can have your opinion but when people come off and say "im right and theres no denying it" it makes you look like a joke.

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[QUOTE="BedBugMan"] It's amazing he starts the game saying it's a good game then spends the rest of the 15 minutes completely bashing the game. finalfantasy94

I think he did focus a bit too much on the negative. But... he does articulate his reasons.

Yea but saying things like theres no denying what I say which was basicly no improvementfrom KZ2 makes him look pretty much like a joke. You can have your opinion but when people come off and say "im right and theres no denying it" it makes you look like a joke.

As with anything in life, if you cut through the hyperbole, he makes decent points that obviously come from playing the game. Those points don't suddenly become void because he says everyone else is wrong. Well, can you form a logical argument to refute what he says?

Exactly which point(s) do you disagree with? Why? What's your counter-point?

^crackdown beta deal for halo 3 was a lil worse

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gamedude234

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I think he did focus a bit too much on the negative. But... he does articulate his reasons.

VoodooHak

Yea but saying things like theres no denying what I say which was basicly no improvementfrom KZ2 makes him look pretty much like a joke. You can have your opinion but when people come off and say "im right and theres no denying it" it makes you look like a joke.

As with anything in life, if you cut through the hyperbole, he makes decent points that obviously come from playing the game. Those points don't suddenly become void because he says everyone else is wrong. Well, can you form a logical argument to refute what he says?

Exactly which point(s) do you disagree with? Why? What's your counter-point?

do I have to:P. I wrote why im on the other side so many times. Well let me just put it sort. This is more in a geniral sense not just focusing on his vid. I agree that no custom matches and no online co-op was a dumb move. Thats about it. I dont really want vehicals in my KZ game the series never felt like it should have it and it was never a staple of the series.I would understand if lets say battelfield 3lacked vehicals and people were mad since thats a staple of the series its well known for it. Iv never had a problem with the marksman class and have been able to handel them. The inflatrator class also is easy to handle if you get caught off guard by them then thats good since thats the job of the class. To catch you off guard. Its also not a problem to tell whos friend or foe if youra tact then you can see by the dot if your not you can see by your aiming.

Im not trying to defend these class cause I use them hell all I use really is medic and sometimes tact. Im just saying from my experiance they are not a problem. I also dont miss spawn grenades even though I love KZ2 they were a headace in my eyes. It made all the matches a giant cluster with grenade and rocket spaming. Which was another issue in KZ2 which I have yet to see on KZ3. The gameplay feels tight and Ihave yet to feel cheated in the game. Iv never ran intoa big camping problem ether.To be honest all I really miss from KZ2 is the weight and maybe the mix up skills. These are just some of my thoughts on my experiance.

I will wait for another source to confirm this, but I have to say the MP for Killzone 3 is the only reason why I am waiting for a price drop instead of paying full prices for it.

I agree.

I mean, I think the PS3 kids are afraid, after word of mouth and reading reviews, that Killzone 3 is trash in comparison with KZ2, this leading to them not buying it. After all, Killzone 3 was a flop and only scored 8.5, I think it may have actually changed their minds, and made them buy Black Ops, and make it the best-selling PS3 game in history.

SHR3DD3D

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

I agree.

I mean, I think the PS3 kids are afraid, after word of mouth and reading reviews, that Killzone 3 is trash in comparison with KZ2, this leading to them not buying it. After all, Killzone 3 was a flop and only scored 8.5, I think it may have actually changed their minds, and made them buy Black Ops, and make it the best-selling PS3 game in history.

ShadowNinja87

It'll end up selling millions just as 2 did. Just needs the buzz to catch. On top of that, don't use VGchartz. Just stop. KZ3's mp and sp are great. Great game overall.

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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rybe1025

Nah you wish he was here because he was the biggest lem in SW.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

DO you have any proof you played the MP? Also KZ3 is far from clumsy or generic(since class base system spices it up sorta like BFBC2). Its a much better experiance then COD.

finalfantasy94

I always read a lot of reviews of games and watch videos of them. And I must honestly say, things aren't looking very good for Killzone 3...

It's already flopped in sales in the UK and critics didn't like the game as much as Killzone 2. Are you seriously saying it's going to suddenly be a gigantic hit, outselling the best-selling PS3 game in history, Black Ops, and that it will manage to attract 1 million unique PSN users to its multiplayer mode 2 years after release, like Halo 3 managed to?

This right here kills anything you have to say about the game and gameplay itself. If you havent played and put any time into it then how do you form an opinion on it. Also sales doesint equal quality.

Longevity = / = popularity.

Sure, a game may sell well thanks to hype, and in reality be trash. However, when people are still playing it actively long time after its release, it's probably good. ;)

Oh, and don't say that's because 360 gamers have nothing else to play. 360 gamers buy more games than PS3 gamers, and the 360 has a bigger library of high-quality games.

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

Masenkoe

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

SHR3DD3D

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

Nothing really makes them professional. THey just get paid to tell us an opinion.

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

SHR3DD3D

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]It seems like people learned from their mistake of buying KZ2SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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johny300

Nah you wish he was here because he was the biggest lem in SW.

wat did u expect

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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johny300

Nah you wish he was here because he was the biggest lem in SW.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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johny300

Nah you wish he was here because he was the biggest lem in SW.

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

SHR3DD3D

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

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gamedude234

i'm all "omg! how is it not possible to come close to meeting standards set 5 years ago???"

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

The quality of Black Ops just doesn't match Killzone 3 IMO.

finalfantasy94

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

Nothing really makes them professional. THey just get paid to tell us an opinion.

It's worth more than yours. :)

They get paid, remember. They've been in the industry for many years, and aren't biased.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

Yet, it outscores it. :)

The majority of professional game critics (accompanied by millions of people) happen to disagree with you...

SHR3DD3D

Nothing really makes them professional. THey just get paid to tell us an opinion.

It's worth more than yours. :)

They get paid, remember. They've been in the industry for many years, and aren't biased.

Everyone is biased.

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

I agree.

I mean, I think the PS3 kids are afraid, after word of mouth and reading reviews, that Killzone 3 is trash in comparison with KZ2, this leading to them not buying it. After all, Killzone 3 was a flop and only scored 8.5, I think it may have actually changed their minds, and made them buy Black Ops, and make it the best-selling PS3 game in history.

ShadowNinja87

Very simple.

Killzone 3 was hyped AAAE - AAAAE, but only managed AAE.

(=Flop.)

Meh. As long as some people enjoy the game sales don't matter. Lol I am not suprised trolls are rushing to this trend. But fanboyism is retarded some people need to get laid or something. All I can say it that at least Sony has games/ excluisves this year unlike MS. Killzone 3 isn't bad at all really it just that some people want it to be a campfest COD clone. But if it was a COD clone it would get knocked for that so.. What's the point in bashing it?ShadowNinja87

This. It always cracks me up when non-gamers label gamers as overweight, non-social, lames who would rather level up than spend time with a attractive woman. Reading the moronic post in this threads and others, can you blame people for throwing the labeling around?? Console gamers are truly braindead.....

[QUOTE="ShadowNinja87"]Meh. As long as some people enjoy the game sales don't matter. Lol I am not suprised trolls are rushing to this trend. But fanboyism is retarded some people need to get laid or something. All I can say it that at least Sony has games/ excluisves this year unlike MS. Killzone 3 isn't bad at all really it just that some people want it to be a campfest COD clone. But if it was a COD clone it would get knocked for that so.. What's the point in bashing it?kobedaGOAT

This. It always cracks me up when non-gamers label gamers as overweight, non-social, lames who would rather level up than spend time with a attractive woman. Reading the moronic post in this threads and others, can you blame people for throwing the labeling around?? Console gamers are truly braindead.....

It flopped. It wasn't good enough. Just get over it.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="gamedude234"]

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johny300

Nah you wish he was here because he was the biggest lem in SW.

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="ShadowNinja87"]Meh. As long as some people enjoy the game sales don't matter. Lol I am not suprised trolls are rushing to this trend. But fanboyism is retarded some people need to get laid or something. All I can say it that at least Sony has games/ excluisves this year unlike MS. Killzone 3 isn't bad at all really it just that some people want it to be a campfest COD clone. But if it was a COD clone it would get knocked for that so.. What's the point in bashing it?SHR3DD3D

This. It always cracks me up when non-gamers label gamers as overweight, non-social, lames who would rather level up than spend time with a attractive woman. Reading the moronic post in this threads and others, can you blame people for throwing the labeling around?? Console gamers are truly braindead.....

It flopped. It wasn't good enough. Just get over it.

Get over what? I don't even own a single Killzone title. Thanks for proving me point kid. Lastly, to "get over" something I must have some kind of feelings towards said subject. Not to be confused with you since I guareentee you've posted in this thread atleast 5-10 times. Don't worry, you'll surpass pubity one day and your idiotic console groupie craze will seem, well, idiotic...........

[QUOTE="SHR3DD3D"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

This. It always cracks me up when non-gamers label gamers as overweight, non-social, lames who would rather level up than spend time with a attractive woman. Reading the moronic post in this threads and others, can you blame people for throwing the labeling around?? Console gamers are truly braindead.....

kobedaGOAT

It flopped. It wasn't good enough. Just get over it.

Get over what? I don't even own a single Killzone title. Thanks for proving me point kid. Lastly, to "get over" something I must have some kind of feelings towards said subject. Not to be confused with you since I guareentee you've posted in this thread atleast 5-10 times. Don't worry, you'll surpass pubity one day and your idiotic console groupie craze will seem, well, idiotic...........

I'm a fanboy, suddenly, for stating a well-known fact in SW...?

Ask anyone, and they will tell you that KZ3 flopped.

After Killzone 2 gained a 91 score on MC, I doubt many cows were expecting its hotly anticipated and much-hyped sequel to only manage 85.

You guys can hate on Killzone all you want, but all i care about is that i enjoyed playing Killzone 2 and 3, and there are thousands on playing online. A review doesn't mean it flopped, its just the reviewers opinion. CWEBB04z

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finalfantasy94

Ill give him custom games and thats about it. I pretty much disagree with everythign els. Also him saying your lieing to yourself makes him come off as a dbag plan and simple.

actually, 90% of the video is factual. Are you saying you disagree with the fact that there is no map editor? or disagreeing with the fact that the infiltrator is overpowered? or that there is no onion co-op? those are facts.

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BedBugMan

actually, he says its good, then states the flaws, and then rates the game a 7.0-7.5. Since when is 7.5 bad? in fact, since when is 8.5 bad?

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]It seems like people learned from their mistake of buying KZ2SAGE_OF_FIRE

Not horrible, but not great. KZ3 seems better, but thats not enough for me to buy it.