Of course Killzone 3 has better graphics, hell Killzone 2 still has better graphics than 99% of the games out there. IMO Killzone is also the better game.
ShadowMoses900
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
Killzone 3 still KILLZOWNS Halo 4 (no 56k)
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The artstyle for Halo 4 looks much better than Killzone 3. I agree with you about Killzone being boring, both graphically and gampley wise. At leas Uncharted and God of War both have good artstyles too and they're fun to play.[QUOTE="EYE-OF-HORUS999"]
I personally like Halo 4 look better(I'm not a Lem)...
Also Killzone is the most boring shooter I've ever played. The ending in Killzone 3 was so retarded and it felt rushed.
Avian005
The Killzone series had potential, but the games were just stale and generic. I agree Uncharted and GOW both had amazing artstyles!
gpuking... Is a huge cow.
I like how he carefully chose to ignore one of the more graphically intensive parts of Halo 4.
So if we're going to start posting empty rooms To make it fair.
Don't quit your day job. You wouldn't get away with posting that crap on Beyond 3D and you know it.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Of course Killzone 3 has better graphics, hell Killzone 2 still has better graphics than 99% of the games out there. IMO Killzone is also the better game.
super600
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
[QUOTE="super600"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Of course Killzone 3 has better graphics, hell Killzone 2 still has better graphics than 99% of the games out there. IMO Killzone is also the better game.
ShadowMoses900
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
All those games have improved textures,shadows, lightning compared to KZ3.The difference for some of the higher PC games compared to killzone is noticeable and a big difference at times.
[QUOTE="super600"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Of course Killzone 3 has better graphics, hell Killzone 2 still has better graphics than 99% of the games out there. IMO Killzone is also the better game.
ShadowMoses900
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="super600"]
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
TheDidact
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="super600"]
Witcher 2(PC),BF3(PC),that new stars war game and more.
super600
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
All those games have improved textures,shadows, lightning compared to KZ3.The difference for some of the higher PC games compared to killzone is noticeable and a big difference at times.
You didn't even bother watching my comparisons. If you did you would know that I am right, there is not a vast difference like the fanboys pretend there is. Maybe with mods and whatnot yes, but vanilla wise no.
Halo still trumps Killzone in terms of creativity, modes, community, FUN, and more. No other console FPS has as much user generated content as Halo 3 or Reach. In fact, many community-created modes such as Infection and Griftball are integrated into matchmaking along with community maps. I'd like to see Killzone do this.[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
ShadowMoses900
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
Did you play custom games? That's where the fun is now. Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3Ul9NaZqM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ODGV3V3iI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4duo_VAo0 These are just a few. Halo also popularized Rooster Teeth and Machinima (Two of the biggest YouTube Channels) with shows like Red vs Blue and Arby n the Chief (Which I recommend you check out. There is a lot of Lem bashing, especially in the episode God's Work where Mastur Chief tries to stop the Arbiter from playing Demon's Souls on his PS3)
Halo still trumps Killzone in terms of creativity, modes, community, FUN, and more. No other console FPS has as much user generated content as Halo 3 or Reach. In fact, many community-created modes such as Infection and Griftball are integrated into matchmaking along with community maps. I'd like to see Killzone do this.[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
ShadowMoses900
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
then you are in a very small and blind minority[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="TheDidact"]Halo still trumps Killzone in terms of creativity, modes, community, FUN, and more. No other console FPS has as much user generated content as Halo 3 or Reach. In fact, many community-created modes such as Infection and Griftball are integrated into matchmaking along with community maps. I'd like to see Killzone do this.TheDidact
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
Did you play custom games? That's where the fun is now. Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3Ul9NaZqM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ODGV3V3iI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4duo_VAo0 These are just a few. Halo also popularized Rooster Teeth and Machinima (Two of the biggest YouTube Channels) with shows like Red vs Blue and Arby n the Chief (Which I recommend you check out. There is a lot of Lem bashing, especially in the episode God's Work where Mastur Chief tries to stop the Arbiter from playing Demon's Souls on his PS3) red vs blue>>>>>>>killzone 2[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="TheDidact"]Halo still trumps Killzone in terms of creativity, modes, community, FUN, and more. No other console FPS has as much user generated content as Halo 3 or Reach. In fact, many community-created modes such as Infection and Griftball are integrated into matchmaking along with community maps. I'd like to see Killzone do this.TheDidact
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
Did you play custom games? That's where the fun is now. Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3Ul9NaZqM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ODGV3V3iI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4duo_VAo0 These are just a few. Halo also popularized Rooster Teeth and Machinima (Two of the biggest YouTube Channels) with shows like Red vs Blue and Arby n the Chief (Which I recommend you check out. There is a lot of Lem bashing, especially in the episode God's Work where Mastur Chief tries to stop the Arbiter from playing Demon's Souls on his PS3)I don't hate lems, they are just misguided people like all the other fanboys who are trying to justify their purchase. Fanboys are just stupid regardless of their faction.
Halo did a lot for the industry, that cannot be denied. However this gen it has not done much at all (which doesn't really matter), I have played custom games on Halo 3, I know it has a ton of features (more features does not make a game better though, quality > quantity), but overall I find Halo to be an ok game series. I find other shooters like COD and KZ to be the better games. Everyone has their own different opinion.
Also I found Halo to have mediocore campaigns this gen. I am aware of Machinma and those other various channels.
[QUOTE="super600"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I disagree. I don't see a massive difference between those games and KZ3.
Killzone 3 Walkthrough Part 4 in 1080P [Killzone PS3 Gameplay]
The Witcher 2 - PC - HD GamePlay Video 3 - Environments
Battlefield 3 Gameplay (PC HD)
Star Wars 1313 Gameplay [HD]
They all look amazing, but as you can see none of them have a big difference over the other. The fanboys will exaggerate but KZ3 rivals these games in graphics. This is a testament to how poweful the PS3 is, no other console can do this.
ShadowMoses900
All those games have improved textures,shadows, lightning compared to KZ3.The difference for some of the higher PC games compared to killzone is noticeable and a big difference at times.
You didn't even bother watching my comparisons. If you did you would know that I am right, there is not a vast difference like the fanboys pretend there is. Maybe with mods and whatnot yes, but vanilla wise no.
I already know how all those games look and they look noticeable better then all PS3 games maybe even obliterate them.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="TheDidact"]Halo still trumps Killzone in terms of creativity, modes, community, FUN, and more. No other console FPS has as much user generated content as Halo 3 or Reach. In fact, many community-created modes such as Infection and Griftball are integrated into matchmaking along with community maps. I'd like to see Killzone do this.mems_1224
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
then you are in a very small and blind minorityMinority? Yes. However I don't care and majority does not mean right.
Blind? Not at all. It is just a difference of opinion. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the one who is blind here.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="super600"]
All those games have improved textures,shadows, lightning compared to KZ3.The difference for some of the higher PC games compared to killzone is noticeable and a big difference at times.
super600
You didn't even bother watching my comparisons. If you did you would know that I am right, there is not a vast difference like the fanboys pretend there is. Maybe with mods and whatnot yes, but vanilla wise no.
I already know how all those games look and they look noticeable better then all PS3 games maybe even obliterate them.
The video comparisons prove otherwise. But you can believe what you want.
then you are in a very small and blind minority[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
ShadowMoses900
Minority? Yes. However I don't care and majority does not mean right.
Blind? Not at all. It is just a difference of opinion. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the one who is blind here.
There are such things as right opinion and wrong opinion, though.
[QUOTE="OB-47"]
[QUOTE="soulitane"]Cool, now how about gameplay?ShadowMoses900
That's the question all Killzone fans fear the most.
Why? I'm a KZ fan, I find it has far superior gameplay to any Halo game out there. The guns feel powerful and have kick, the AI is superior, the melee is etreamely brutal, the multiplayer is addicting and insanely deep. KZ is also a high scoring series as well. So what is so bad about it's gameplay exactly?
How the hell is the multiplayer deep? I enjoy it but KZ3 butchered KZ2's insanely well made MP.
Also, the AI in Killzone is pretty awesome, but it never is allowed to show it's potential. More often then not, you're in a corridor blasting anything in front of you.
then you are in a very small and blind minority[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
ShadowMoses900
Minority? Yes. However I don't care and majority does not mean right.
Blind? Not at all. It is just a difference of opinion. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the one who is blind here.
Just give up dude. Even cows in this thread have said they would rather have Halo. You're just mad because your 360 broke and you can't afford a new one to play Halo 4.[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Did you play custom games? That's where the fun is now. Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3Ul9NaZqM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ODGV3V3iI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4duo_VAo0 These are just a few. Halo also popularized Rooster Teeth and Machinima (Two of the biggest YouTube Channels) with shows like Red vs Blue and Arby n the Chief (Which I recommend you check out. There is a lot of Lem bashing, especially in the episode God's Work where Mastur Chief tries to stop the Arbiter from playing Demon's Souls on his PS3) red vs blue>>>>>>>killzone 2Sarge can kick Rico's @$$ anytime and anywhere. And Caboose could have killed the entire Helghast army just by setting foot on their planet.I disagree, I have had way more fun with KZ this gen than I have Halo. I find KZ to be the superior game and far more satisfying, Halo just isn't what it used to be. But to each his own.
mems_1224
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] then you are in a very small and blind minority FrozenLiquid
Minority? Yes. However I don't care and majority does not mean right.
Blind? Not at all. It is just a difference of opinion. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the one who is blind here.
There are such things as right opinion and wrong opinion, though.In some things yes. However not when it comes to games or art or music etc...those are entirely subjective. It's like having an opinion on your favorite color and someone preferring your least favorite, neither of you are wrong in any sense of the word.
[QUOTE="soulitane"]Cool, now how about gameplay?OB-47
That's the question all Killzone fans fear the most.
cuz KZ doesnt have gameplay? is something wrong with KZ's gameplay? its pretty standard with just a few cool little things here and there[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="OB-47"]
That's the question all Killzone fans fear the most.
OB-47
Why? I'm a KZ fan, I find it has far superior gameplay to any Halo game out there. The guns feel powerful and have kick, the AI is superior, the melee is etreamely brutal, the multiplayer is addicting and insanely deep. KZ is also a high scoring series as well. So what is so bad about it's gameplay exactly?
How the hell is the multiplayer deep? I enjoy it but KZ3 butchered KZ2's insanely well made MP.
Also, the AI in Killzone is pretty awesome, but it never is allowed to show it's potential. More often then not, you're in a corridor blasting anything in front of you.
Yeah when people said the A.I in Killzone was good, I had to search thoroughly for it. Poor level design, and poor decision on having articulate animations really f*cked up the decent A.I programming in Killzone. One of the reasons Halo's A.I animations weren't as lifelike as other games, was because it actually affected the gameplay. The more frames of animation you need, the longer it takes for the A.I to perform an action. Guerilla Games either didn't know that little gem of information, or they did, but decided to ignore it.[QUOTE="OB-47"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Why? I'm a KZ fan, I find it has far superior gameplay to any Halo game out there. The guns feel powerful and have kick, the AI is superior, the melee is etreamely brutal, the multiplayer is addicting and insanely deep. KZ is also a high scoring series as well. So what is so bad about it's gameplay exactly?
FrozenLiquid
How the hell is the multiplayer deep? I enjoy it but KZ3 butchered KZ2's insanely well made MP.
Also, the AI in Killzone is pretty awesome, but it never is allowed to show it's potential. More often then not, you're in a corridor blasting anything in front of you.
Yeah when people said the A.I in Killzone was good, I had to search thoroughly for it. Poor level design, and poor decision on having articulate animations really f*cked up the decent A.I programming in Killzone. One of the reasons Halo's A.I animations weren't as lifelike as other games, was because it actually affected the gameplay. The more frames of animation you need, the longer it takes for the A.I to perform an action. Guerilla Games either didn't know that little gem of information, or they did, but decided to ignore it.Killzone has great AI, perhaps you are referring to your teamates as their AI may not be the best. But the enemy AI is top notch, I don't see how you missed it. The level design is also well done.
What's great about KZ is when you play it on harder settings, the game doesn't throw more enemies at you nor do they do more damage either, they simply get more intelligent. It makes the game far more challenging than other FPS games I find.
Looks just about the same to me.
Yeah when people said the A.I in Killzone was good, I had to search thoroughly for it. Poor level design, and poor decision on having articulate animations really f*cked up the decent A.I programming in Killzone. One of the reasons Halo's A.I animations weren't as lifelike as other games, was because it actually affected the gameplay. The more frames of animation you need, the longer it takes for the A.I to perform an action. Guerilla Games either didn't know that little gem of information, or they did, but decided to ignore it.[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="OB-47"]
How the hell is the multiplayer deep? I enjoy it but KZ3 butchered KZ2's insanely well made MP.
Also, the AI in Killzone is pretty awesome, but it never is allowed to show it's potential. More often then not, you're in a corridor blasting anything in front of you.
ShadowMoses900
Killzone has great AI, perhaps you are referring to your teamates as their AI may not be the best. But the enemy AI is top notch, I don't see how you missed it. The level design is also well done.
What's great about KZ is when you play it on harder settings, the game doesn't throw more enemies at you nor do they do more damage either, they simply get more intelligent. It makes the game far more challenging than other FPS games I find.
errr...yes they doThere are such things as right opinion and wrong opinion, though.[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Minority? Yes. However I don't care and majority does not mean right.
Blind? Not at all. It is just a difference of opinion. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the one who is blind here.
ShadowMoses900
In some things yes. However not when it comes to games or art or music etc...those are entirely subjective. It's like having an opinion on your favorite color and someone preferring your least favorite, neither of you are wrong in any sense of the word.
What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] There are such things as right opinion and wrong opinion, though.FrozenLiquid
In some things yes. However not when it comes to games or art or music etc...those are entirely subjective. It's like having an opinion on your favorite color and someone preferring your least favorite, neither of you are wrong in any sense of the word.
What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.No. To me KZ is the better game and that isn't wrong, it's called an opinion. You don't seem to understand debate rehtoric. There are some things you can debate and some things you cannot. You cannot prove that Halo better than Killzone or vice versa.
What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
In some things yes. However not when it comes to games or art or music etc...those are entirely subjective. It's like having an opinion on your favorite color and someone preferring your least favorite, neither of you are wrong in any sense of the word.
ShadowMoses900
No. To me KZ is the better game and that isn't wrong, it's called an opinion. You don't seem to understand debate rehtoric. There are some things you can debate and some things you cannot. You cannot prove that Halo better than Killzone or vice versa.
We use GS scores to determine whats better. Show me a Killzone game that ever scored a 9.5 or 9.7 here.No, I'm referring to the enemy A.I. It's well noted that Killzone's A.I will stuff up if you do more than just cover-shoot. Like I said, there are too many frames of animation for Killzone's A.I to think on-the-fly, so you can literally run around and knife them to death. Halo famously has less frames of animation, so the A.I can react much faster. It doesn't look as pretty, but it certainly does the job. Also, conjecture is not your friend.Killzone has great AI, perhaps you are referring to your teamates as their AI may not be the best. But the enemy AI is top notch, I don't see how you missed it. The level design is also well done.
What's great about KZ is when you play it on harder settings, the game doesn't throw more enemies at you nor do they do more damage either, they simply get more intelligent. It makes the game far more challenging than other FPS games I find.
ShadowMoses900
I am renewing my XBLG just for Halo 4 soon. I made Killzone 3 youtube videos a few weeks ago. I am going nowhere here.
What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
In some things yes. However not when it comes to games or art or music etc...those are entirely subjective. It's like having an opinion on your favorite color and someone preferring your least favorite, neither of you are wrong in any sense of the word.
ShadowMoses900
No. To me KZ is the better game and that isn't wrong, it's called an opinion. You don't seem to understand debate rehtoric. There are some things you can debate and some things you cannot. You cannot prove that Halo better than Killzone or vice versa.
First learn how to spell rhetoric before you tell me that I don't understand it. You can prove Halo is better than Killzone. It's never about proving, though. Sometimes, it's just about admitting it.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.JohnnyCageMK
No. To me KZ is the better game and that isn't wrong, it's called an opinion. You don't seem to understand debate rehtoric. There are some things you can debate and some things you cannot. You cannot prove that Halo better than Killzone or vice versa.
We use GS scores to determine whats better. Show me a Killzone game that ever scored a 9.5 or 9.7 here.I don't care what GS reviewed it. I gave KZ3 a 9, I gave Halo 3 a 7. This is my opinion and the only one I care about.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] What you've stated there, is an opinion on the subjective qualities of art. It's an opinion, and it's actually wrong :P. Aesthetics, which is a branch of philosophy, has more often than not led to the conclusion that there is objectively quality in all forms of artistic mediums. Having a favourite colour is not an opinion, it's a preference. So, in relation to video games, let me make an argument. Lately I've been playing quite a bit of Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. I enjoy its casual simulation properties of winning over friends/pissing girls off. I preferit over many other games in the Xbox library. But if I were to have the opinion that it is one of the better 360 exclusive out there, it would be a wrong opinion, because the truth is there are objectively better games out there. Likewise, you may prefer Killzone if it tickles your fancy. But when you try to form the opinion that it is more enjoyable that other games, you need to derive your argument from the facts. That's where opinions, even in artistic analysis, can be wrong: if you interpret the facts incorrectly, you will undoubtedly come to the wrong conclusion.FrozenLiquid
No. To me KZ is the better game and that isn't wrong, it's called an opinion. You don't seem to understand debate rehtoric. There are some things you can debate and some things you cannot. You cannot prove that Halo better than Killzone or vice versa.
First learn how to spell rhetoric before you tell me that I don't understand it. You can prove Halo is better than Killzone. It's never about proving, though. Sometimes, it's just about admitting it.Attacking a slight grammar mistake is a sign of a person that cannot argue effectively. I used to work for the Democratic Party, I saw these kind of tactics from the Republicans all the time, just in different ways. It's a method one uses to avoid an argument they know they cannot win.
If Halo is so much better than Killzone like you claim, then prove it. You say you can do it, I want to see it. Prove to me that Halo is better than Killzone.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]No, I'm referring to the enemy A.I. It's well noted that Killzone's A.I will stuff up if you do more than just cover-shoot. Like I said, there are too many frames of animation for Killzone's A.I to think on-the-fly, so you can literally run around and knife them to death. Halo famously has less frames of animation, so the A.I can react much faster. It doesn't look as pretty, but it certainly does the job. Also, conjecture is not your friend.Killzone has great AI, perhaps you are referring to your teamates as their AI may not be the best. But the enemy AI is top notch, I don't see how you missed it. The level design is also well done.
What's great about KZ is when you play it on harder settings, the game doesn't throw more enemies at you nor do they do more damage either, they simply get more intelligent. It makes the game far more challenging than other FPS games I find.
FrozenLiquid
I find it funny how it's often the games that are said to have "the smartest AI" usually have these videos of how bad they are when you don't play to the script.
Why'd you stop working for them? Got a full time job being an idiot on System Wars? The worst thing you could've done was tell me you were a self-important douche-bag, coz now I see you arguing almost every day on System Wars. You should have told me you were a 11 year old school kid. Then I would've been impressed. You've got a bit of a reputation here, anyhow. It's not a pretty reputation. Even campzor can't find the integrity to defend you right now. You can start by replying to my other comment about Killzone's A.I. You can use your fantastic Democratic rhetoric skills to fact find, fact check, and re-engineer the argument to serve your purpose. Consider the animation cycles, the way the levels are designed, the Team A.I/Enemy A.I dynamic, and the use of scripted events to help encourage Killzone's A.I to perform at its fullest potential. I've got my popcorn and its sitting on Michael Jackson's lap. I'm actually excited to be debating a full on professional who previously worked for the Democrats. Apologies if the debate will be slow, because I've totally got to do some unimportant things like cooking dinner and filing my taxes this evening. But later on tonight I'll jump on System Wars to further debase myself.I used to work for the Democratic Party, I saw these kind of tactics from the Republicans all the time, just in different ways. It's a method one uses to avoid an argument they know they cannot win.
If Halo is so much better than Killzone like you claim, then prove it. You say you can do it, I want to see it. Prove to me that Halo is better than Killzone.
ShadowMoses900
No, I'm referring to the enemy A.I. It's well noted that Killzone's A.I will stuff up if you do more than just cover-shoot. Like I said, there are too many frames of animation for Killzone's A.I to think on-the-fly, so you can literally run around and knife them to death. Halo famously has less frames of animation, so the A.I can react much faster. It doesn't look as pretty, but it certainly does the job. Also, conjecture is not your friend.[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Killzone has great AI, perhaps you are referring to your teamates as their AI may not be the best. But the enemy AI is top notch, I don't see how you missed it. The level design is also well done.
What's great about KZ is when you play it on harder settings, the game doesn't throw more enemies at you nor do they do more damage either, they simply get more intelligent. It makes the game far more challenging than other FPS games I find.
OB-47
I find it funny how it's often the games that are said to have "the smartest AI" usually have these videos of how bad they are when you don't play to the script.
Yeah, and it's considered "the smartest A.I" from a small, deluded minority. There use to be two of them: the Crysis fans, and the Killzone fans. One group gave up. The other didn't.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Why'd you stop working for them? Got a full time job being an idiot on System Wars? The worst thing you could've done was tell me you were a self-important douche-bag, coz now I see you arguing almost every day on System Wars. You should have told me you were a 11 year old school kid. Then I would've been impressed. You've got a bit of a reputation here, anyhow. It's not a pretty reputation. Even campzor can't find the integrity to defend you right now. You can start by replying to my other comment about Killzone's A.I. You can use your fantastic Democratic rhetoric skills to fact find, fact check, and re-engineer the argument to serve your purpose. Consider the animation cycles, the way the levels are designed, the Team A.I/Enemy A.I dynamic, and the use of scripted events to help encourage Killzone's A.I to perform at its fullest potential. I've got my popcorn and its sitting on Michael Jackson's lap. I'm actually excited to be debating a full on professional who previously worked for the Democrats. Apologies if the debate will be slow, because I've totally got to do some unimportant things like cooking dinner and filing my taxes this evening. But later on tonight I'll jump on System Wars to further debase myself.I used to work for the Democratic Party, I saw these kind of tactics from the Republicans all the time, just in different ways. It's a method one uses to avoid an argument they know they cannot win.
If Halo is so much better than Killzone like you claim, then prove it. You say you can do it, I want to see it. Prove to me that Halo is better than Killzone.
FrozenLiquid
If your going to be immature about this then there is nothing further to discuss. Killzone is a better game than Halo, at least in my opinion and that's all that I care about. I respect people that think the opposite, unfortunately you do not seem to do so.
And if you want to know, I stopped working for the Democratic Party because I don't believe the two party system is healthy for America. I believe it divides us and I'm an Independent. I have gotten requests to work for the Republican party as well but I choose not to, I don't like the direction the party as a whole has taken lately. There are also things that go on behind the scenes in both parties that you don't want to know about.
That being said, I am still actively involved in the political scene and still do work for parties and candidates from time to time, I just consider myself more of a mercenary per se and not a party loyalist.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Why'd you stop working for them? Got a full time job being an idiot on System Wars? The worst thing you could've done was tell me you were a self-important douche-bag, coz now I see you arguing almost every day on System Wars. You should have told me you were a 11 year old school kid. Then I would've been impressed. You've got a bit of a reputation here, anyhow. It's not a pretty reputation. Even campzor can't find the integrity to defend you right now. You can start by replying to my other comment about Killzone's A.I. You can use your fantastic Democratic rhetoric skills to fact find, fact check, and re-engineer the argument to serve your purpose. Consider the animation cycles, the way the levels are designed, the Team A.I/Enemy A.I dynamic, and the use of scripted events to help encourage Killzone's A.I to perform at its fullest potential. I've got my popcorn and its sitting on Michael Jackson's lap. I'm actually excited to be debating a full on professional who previously worked for the Democrats. Apologies if the debate will be slow, because I've totally got to do some unimportant things like cooking dinner and filing my taxes this evening. But later on tonight I'll jump on System Wars to further debase myself. a few weeks ago he was here "researching" and studying SW for a company :lol: the dude is a compulsive liar. i honestly never believe a word he says.I used to work for the Democratic Party, I saw these kind of tactics from the Republicans all the time, just in different ways. It's a method one uses to avoid an argument they know they cannot win.
If Halo is so much better than Killzone like you claim, then prove it. You say you can do it, I want to see it. Prove to me that Halo is better than Killzone.
FrozenLiquid
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Why'd you stop working for them? Got a full time job being an idiot on System Wars? The worst thing you could've done was tell me you were a self-important douche-bag, coz now I see you arguing almost every day on System Wars. You should have told me you were a 11 year old school kid. Then I would've been impressed. You've got a bit of a reputation here, anyhow. It's not a pretty reputation. Even campzor can't find the integrity to defend you right now. You can start by replying to my other comment about Killzone's A.I. You can use your fantastic Democratic rhetoric skills to fact find, fact check, and re-engineer the argument to serve your purpose. Consider the animation cycles, the way the levels are designed, the Team A.I/Enemy A.I dynamic, and the use of scripted events to help encourage Killzone's A.I to perform at its fullest potential. I've got my popcorn and its sitting on Michael Jackson's lap. I'm actually excited to be debating a full on professional who previously worked for the Democrats. Apologies if the debate will be slow, because I've totally got to do some unimportant things like cooking dinner and filing my taxes this evening. But later on tonight I'll jump on System Wars to further debase myself. a few weeks ago he was here "researching" and studying SW for a company :lol: the dude is a compulsive liar. i honestly never believe a word he says.I used to work for the Democratic Party, I saw these kind of tactics from the Republicans all the time, just in different ways. It's a method one uses to avoid an argument they know they cannot win.
If Halo is so much better than Killzone like you claim, then prove it. You say you can do it, I want to see it. Prove to me that Halo is better than Killzone.
mems_1224
Here is the office I used to work for: Democratic Party of Oregon
The research thing was not a few weeks ago, it was several months ago. And it was obvious that I was trolling, can't believe you didn't notice that considering you do the same thing on here all the time.
My University has an intern-job program with political parties for students that take Government classes etc...and a variety of other such classes.
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