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wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
3picuri3
Well said.
KillZone dev:
I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the aboveAlways-Honest
It was a great reply, but he really should have left this sentence out of his post. Showing that a ignorant fanboy is getting on your nerves is not the smart thing to do in this business (or any)
[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]
KillZone dev:
I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the above_Pedro_
It was a great reply, but he really should have left the this sentence out of his post. Showing that a ignorant fanboy is getting on your nerves is not the smart thing to do in this business (or any)
Agreed but the rest of his post was well written and every professional. 1/2 the repliers here aren't even reading what he wrote lol.
Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Wasdielol, I believe the only ones pwned so far have been the developers of the original Killzone, because that game stunk and brings into question the ability for them to make a great game. So where is K2?
[QUOTE="NathanDrake"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
stephant_6
I think his response was well written.
Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.
And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???
He just demonstrated unprofessionalism in my opinion.
by commenting and stating his opinion?
[QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
Udsen
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]
KillZone dev:
I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the abovenajentus
It was a great reply, but he really should have left the this sentence out of his post. Showing that a ignorant fanboy is getting on your nerves is not the smart thing to do in this business (or any)
Agreed but the rest of his post was well written and every professional. 1/2 the repliers here aren't even reading what he wrote lol.
Yeah it seems like it. I find it funny that responding to something like this is judged unprofessional, but even posts from fanboys like these may reflect how many people think. By giving a detailed and well written post you ensure that people are put at ease. Sure you can let the game speak for itself, but it's better to have people buy your game who have faith in it rather than have people whore are sceptical about it. People like that are much more likely to nitpick on your game and stop praising games for their other qualities.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.dhjohns
How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.
I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.
You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.
Agreed. He needs to develop his energies at developing the game and not responding to silly internet comments. There are millions of these. The way to shut them up- make a good game. :shock:
exactly - just shows he's insecure. if he had any pride or faith in the project he'd have just kept his mouth shut and let the game do the talking.
there are now 3 devs ill never buy games from - this guy, Jaffe for his whining about calling all cars, and Jeff Minter for his space giraffe cry-fest. they all act no better than the worst system wars posters, whining and crying and being all angry over the freaking internet. EMO devs :P
[QUOTE="najentus"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]
KillZone dev:
I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the above_Pedro_
It was a great reply, but he really should have left the this sentence out of his post. Showing that a ignorant fanboy is getting on your nerves is not the smart thing to do in this business (or any)
Agreed but the rest of his post was well written and every professional. 1/2 the repliers here aren't even reading what he wrote lol.
Yeah it seems like it. I find it funny that responding to something like this is judged unprofessional, but even posts from fanboys like these may reflect how many people think. By giving a detailed and well written post you ensure that people are put at ease. Sure you can let the game speak for itself, but it's better to have people buy your game who have faith in it rather than have people whore are sceptical about it. People like that are much more likely to nitpick on your game and stop praising games for their other qualities.
Totally agree.
[QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
NathanDrake
I think his response was well written.
Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.
And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???
i would realize that he knows NOTHING about my game and that if my game is as good as the industry insiders were saying, that that alone would make that individual eat their words.lol, I believe the only ones pwned so far have been the developers of the original Killzone, because that game stunk and brings into question the ability for them to make a great game. So where is K2? still in pre-alpha :lol:[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Danthegamingman
[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
dhjohns
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
Considering from what we've seen, it technically is, or is one of. I lol @ absense of logic.
[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
Udsen
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
Considering from what we've seen, it technically is, or is one of. I lol @ absense of logic.
take a GOOD look at the textures again and then please come back.[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
Nedemis
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
Considering from what we've seen, it technically is, or is one of. I lol @ absense of logic.
take a GOOD look at the textures again and then please come back.ive been saying that for ages but cows dont listen, killzne 2 has horrible textures!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All they need to do is shut up and deliver.
The rest is moaning and excuse-making.
Many of this truths apply to any and every console on the market.
ROFL target render my a$$, at e3 Ive seen multiple devs saying all that crap sony showed was realtime motorstorm was realtime killzone and many mmore, yeah you could blame sony for going out and hier 3d animaters (no part of the dev team) to create these target renders) and then claim them to be real time but sony has been full of crpa lately. and the dev team could easily said it wasnt real time, but the didnt instead they kept the mouth closed and left the crap to continue until a member of the 3d animator team (not part of gurrila games or sony) came forward and said it sont came and pay them to make the renders. sony is full of crap.amorbis1001
Indeed. His suggestion that the Sony rep was wrong in saying it was real footage at E3 is a bold faced LIE. Their own people at E3 said it was real and plenty of videos have been circulated as evidence.
Now they want to rewrite history? Let's not play revisionist. Just shutup and deliver.
[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
Udsen
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
Considering from what we've seen, it technically is, or is one of. I lol @ absense of logic.
So screen-shots, and videos off teh net (which can't be verfified) counts as legitimate sources? Also, from what I have seen, it isn't that impressive. However, unlike you I will withhold judgment until the game is released. Nice logic eh? ;)
[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]ROFL target render my a$$, at e3 Ive seen multiple devs saying all that crap sony showed was realtime motorstorm was realtime killzone and many mmore, yeah you could blame sony for going out and hier 3d animaters (no part of the dev team) to create these target renders) and then claim them to be real time but sony has been full of crpa lately. and the dev team could easily said it wasnt real time, but the didnt instead they kept the mouth closed and left the crap to continue until a member of the 3d animator team (not part of gurrila games or sony) came forward and said it sont came and pay them to make the renders. sony is full of crap.Dreams-Visions
Indeed. His suggestion that the Sony rep was wrong in saying it was real footage at E3 is a bold faced LIE. Their own people at E3 said it was real and plenty of videos have been circulated as evidence.
Now they want to rewrite history? Let's not play revisionist. Just shutup and deliver.
Karma is mean sometimes, isn't it? :lol: Nice to see you still post Dreams. Not as active lately huh?
[QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
NathanDrake
I think his response was well written.
Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.
And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???
i'd feel motivated - and excited about the prospect of that writer having to eat his words when the game is released.
i certainly wouldn't feel compelled to write out a freaking letter to mr. internet and the fanboys pleading my case and explaining why i'm angry. that **** is for you personal blog and journal - to the professional world it just makes you look immature and undisciplined.
of course plenty of people in system wars will support him and think he spoke well - that's because we're in system wars, where plenty o' immature people think acting that way makes sense. that all negativity should be addressed.
he's a childish man, insecure and threatened. there's no other explanation for a response like that. especially the freaking melodramatic beginning where he feels it's necessary to preface how angry he is, and how he's started and re-started several times in his anger. who gives a ****. grow up mr. dev - i'm not sure if this is the guy responsible for killzone 1, if so then it kinda makes sense (i'd be fragile too after releasing that stinkbomb of a game). but at the end of the day any professionaly with a good head on his shoulders knows when to talk - and when to keep his mouth shut. this guy apparently doesn't - which is why i called him emo and unprofessional, and why i'll never support the dev house he works for ;)
In the end the fanboy will have the last laugh because they don't have to buy that mediocre game called Killzone.
I don't know about "shut up and deliver," but try to keep your cool. Not doing so sends a message that you're not so sure that he is wrong.
You're developing a sequel to a very-hyped disappointing game. He doesn't have anything to prove, you do.
The best way to make haters clam up is to produce a great game. In other words...shut up, and get back to work.Verge_6
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="amorbis1001"]ROFL target render my a$$, at e3 Ive seen multiple devs saying all that crap sony showed was realtime motorstorm was realtime killzone and many mmore, yeah you could blame sony for going out and hier 3d animaters (no part of the dev team) to create these target renders) and then claim them to be real time but sony has been full of crpa lately. and the dev team could easily said it wasnt real time, but the didnt instead they kept the mouth closed and left the crap to continue until a member of the 3d animator team (not part of gurrila games or sony) came forward and said it sont came and pay them to make the renders. sony is full of crap.dhjohns
Indeed. His suggestion that the Sony rep was wrong in saying it was real footage at E3 is a bold faced LIE. Their own people at E3 said it was real and plenty of videos have been circulated as evidence.
Now they want to rewrite history? Let's not play revisionist. Just shutup and deliver.
Karma is mean sometimes, isn't it? :lol: Nice to see you still post Dreams. Not as active lately huh?
i think Kotaku actually posted comments from the actual devs, not sony reps - at the E3 screening sneak peek at that sushi house off-site of E3. they ALL claimed it was in game, real-time, no tricks. even then it didn't get a single award at show, maybe because they decided to show all promo material off-floor (i wonder why).
there's a reason there hasn't been much buzz over killzone 2 in like a year - and i don't think it's because it's stellar and will knock everyones socks off. i mean seriously - it has to compete with Resistance 2, MGS4, Gears 2. there's just no way it'll be the hit they're hoping.
prove me wrong though - not like i wouldn't be happy to have a great game on the PS3.
Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.Wasdie
i think sony owned themselves when they said the PS3 would offer experiences unlike anything we've ever seen before. that this generation we'd not be playing games, but experiencing them - the emotion engine will breathe real life and emotion in to every character on screen. yada yada yada.
and he makes it out to sound like its the anti-ps3 fanboys fault - not sony's for setting a totally unrealistic and unattainable benchmark for all their devs, 1st party and 3rd.
i'm sorry, i have no sympath whatsoever. until the ps3 starts to deliver on sony's words - every developer can expect to be criticized. i mean we're talking about the limitless potential of the Cell processor here people. :P
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.heretrix
How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.
I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.
You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.
yea but doesent that just sum up pretty much every fanboy? a braindead teenager sure there are some that arent teenagers and dont act like that but the majority do.
[QUOTE="NathanDrake"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
stephant_6
I think his response was well written.
Let me ask you something. Let's say that you work on something for many years. Obviously you will be proud of what you have done so far and you feel confident that what you have done might be the best or one of the best products out there.
And than all of a sodden a guy comes around who porbably knows nothing about game development and starts to bash your product and starts to say that this other one is better......now how would you feel???
Exactly the point. The guy knows nothing about development,he's just a kid fanboy. The fact that the developer even considered responding to that is a bit astonishing. Games get bashed every day,devs should know this.
He just demonstrated unprofessionalism in my opinion.
Um...if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that the reason he answered is because its in a thread on playstation forums named "ASK THE DEV THREAD" for Killzone 2.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="amorbis1001"]ROFL target render my a$$, at e3 Ive seen multiple devs saying all that crap sony showed was realtime motorstorm was realtime killzone and many mmore, yeah you could blame sony for going out and hier 3d animaters (no part of the dev team) to create these target renders) and then claim them to be real time but sony has been full of crpa lately. and the dev team could easily said it wasnt real time, but the didnt instead they kept the mouth closed and left the crap to continue until a member of the 3d animator team (not part of gurrila games or sony) came forward and said it sont came and pay them to make the renders. sony is full of crap.dhjohns
Indeed. His suggestion that the Sony rep was wrong in saying it was real footage at E3 is a bold faced LIE. Their own people at E3 said it was real and plenty of videos have been circulated as evidence.
Now they want to rewrite history? Let's not play revisionist. Just shutup and deliver.
Karma is mean sometimes, isn't it? :lol: Nice to see you still post Dreams. Not as active lately huh?
No, not as much right now.
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.
heretrix
Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.
Guerilla?
Hello? Anyone? Bueller?
They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.
Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.
I doesn't matter what you think. Half Life is considered one of the greatest games EVER MADE. Gabe has earned his right to speak his mind. You can sit there and try to diminish his contributions to the industry if you want, but he's done a hell of a lot more than most people.And as for Portal, it would not have been as good without Valve's participation, they were instrumental in shaping the game into what it is today. The designers sad as much in the developers commentary of the game.
You want to talk about Valve's contributions this gen just look at the Steam service and how it's shaping the future of digital distribution on the PC.
As for Guitar Hero, who gives a flying fart about pushing console limitations GH and Rock Band are AMAZING experiences that are fun as hell. Technical proficiency means nothing if your game turns out to be crap.
So far Guerilla's track record is pretty spotty with the only bright spot being the PSP Killzone game. Are your really comparing them to Valve or Harmonix?
Seriously?
yea after he openly bashed the ps3 I really should have respect for him? but why shouldn't I he is a profesional isnt he?
I think you guys have to understand that to a game developer, a fanboy is the equivilant to a complaining traveler in line at the airport. The deve may want to ignore them, but sometimes you may just want to beat the crap out of them, and here's why:
These guys spend months and years working on these games for US. So that we have something fun to play and it may just be a kick in the balls to one day scan a forum and see some BS from a a fanboy that has never even cracked open a 3d program or edited even a line of code. Most of the time cats on here sound like a bunch of ingrateful brats, but thats just my opinion.
[QUOTE="GIJames248"][QUOTE="stephant_6"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
stephant_6
That was stupid for the dev to react like that. Come on,it's just a stupid fanboy bashing the game,hundreds of people do that everyday. I think he just made himself look worse by making a big scene rather than just ignoring it.stephant_6
This isn't just any dev on any game. this is a dev on Killzone 2. A game that has had a TON of buzz with it. And a ton of haters just waiting for its fall. A game that has had misquotes and misconceptions climbing all over it from fanboys. I don't think him making this statement was "stupid" or "unprofessional."
And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.
When a dev stoops so low as to make a long reply to an angry internet fanboy,that says something. As the guy a few posts above me said,let the game speak for itself.
Just out of curiosity how is posting on an internet forum stooping so low (for a dev, obviously you don't hold this opinion for the rest of the human race)? I would really like to know because it will decide wether I think you are wrong/ignorant or just spiteful/fanboyish.
Oh don't get me wrong,I'm no fanboy. I own a PS3 and I'm hoping for all the best with Killzone 2. I'm just a bit dissapointed to see the proffesional dev that he is supposed to be,actually reply with a long post to some kid fanboy on an internet forum.
I have to agree with you, I wouldn't have responded to him at all. that's all trolls want anyway is a little attention. But DO respond to the gamers that usually have good input. That could actually make your game better in the long run
I think you guys have to understand that to a game developer, a fanboy is the equivilant to a complaining traveler in line at the airport. mtron32That's a pretty good analogy. I mean, you don't see airport workers beating on travelers, do you?
wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
3picuri3
Actually it didn't come out like that. The dev even says KZ2 isn't going to be the "definitive game" after the PS3 being a couple years old. It's not like he is saying the guy is wrong and KZ2 is the best game ever.
It looks as though he wanted to make sure he knew everything he stated was factually wrong (aside from his opinion 8 Days would be a better game). It's ironic that you say devs act like children......when most fanboys are just that, children. I suppose on some level to get through to most of the gamers you have to come down to their level. Even so....it wasn't a complete unhinged loon response that I've seen before. So many people ask for dev comments and when only finally does respond people always seem to bash them. It's no wonder they usually just don't say anything.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.
potato66
Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.
Guerilla?
Hello? Anyone? Bueller?
They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.
Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.
I doesn't matter what you think. Half Life is considered one of the greatest games EVER MADE. Gabe has earned his right to speak his mind. You can sit there and try to diminish his contributions to the industry if you want, but he's done a hell of a lot more than most people.And as for Portal, it would not have been as good without Valve's participation, they were instrumental in shaping the game into what it is today. The designers sad as much in the developers commentary of the game.
You want to talk about Valve's contributions this gen just look at the Steam service and how it's shaping the future of digital distribution on the PC.
As for Guitar Hero, who gives a flying fart about pushing console limitations GH and Rock Band are AMAZING experiences that are fun as hell. Technical proficiency means nothing if your game turns out to be crap.
So far Guerilla's track record is pretty spotty with the only bright spot being the PSP Killzone game. Are your really comparing them to Valve or Harmonix?
Seriously?
yea after he openly bashed the ps3 I really should have respect for him? but why shouldn't I he is a profesional isnt he?
Hey, I never said I agreed with Gabe's assessment of the PS3 What I'm saying is that Gabe Newell has proven himself in the industry..He's well beyond the point of having something to prove. His words have more traction than someone responsible for 'Nam '67 or whatever..It's doesn't matter if you agree with him or not, but within the industry his crediblity is pretty damn high.And that's not to say that this Killzone dude has to keep his trap shut, but the last thing you want as a developer is to be clashing with any part of the fanbase. It's not smart, it's just bad for business. Even on a forum where you are answering questions about your game.[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.stephant_6
How so? He basically gave more attention to some braindead teenager than was warranted. A better response is to just make a kick ass game and then let that speak for you.
I said the same thing about Dyack, Jaffe and anyone else dumb enough to stoop to an internet forum fanboy's level.
You are supposed to be making a game, why are you wasting time with this nonsense? It's moronic. You aren't owning anyone but yourself.
Good to see someone else understands.
[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="saolin323"]Killzone 2 is IMO definatly one of the worst looking shooters coming, the textures are HORRIBLE and textures are non exostent at all in most things, the new Aliens shooter, Project offset, Far Cry 2, Crysis puts those graphics to last last gen shame
On top of that, KZ2 seems like one of the most boring and linear shooters ever created, a game that i would think twice before i owuld ever rent
dhjohns
Considering it's one of the best looking, if not best looking console FPS, I lol @ you.
Considering it is not even released, I lol at you. See how this works?
Considering from what we've seen, it technically is, or is one of. I lol @ absense of logic.
So screen-shots, and videos off teh net (which can't be verfified) counts as legitimate sources? Also, from what I have seen, it isn't that impressive. However, unlike you I will withhold judgment until the game is released. Nice logic eh? ;)
Videos from E3? Those aren't verified? KZ2 looks visually amazing..I'm not saying it'll be OMGWTF AAA LOL...just it looks great so far. No, not nice logic.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.3picuri3
i think sony owned themselves when they said the PS3 would offer experiences unlike anything we've ever seen before. that this generation we'd not be playing games, but experiencing them - the emotion engine will breathe real life and emotion in to every character on screen. yada yada yada.
and he makes it out to sound like its the anti-ps3 fanboys fault - not sony's for setting a totally unrealistic and unattainable benchmark for all their devs, 1st party and 3rd.
i'm sorry, i have no sympath whatsoever. until the ps3 starts to deliver on sony's words - every developer can expect to be criticized. i mean we're talking about the limitless potential of the Cell processor here people. :P
this gen isn't over you know[QUOTE="3picuri3"]wow - just lost respect for another dev. it's suprising how many of them act like children when their work is mildly threatened.. Jaffe, this idiot.
what ever happened to being an artist / professional and letting your work speak for yourself. words only drag most of em down as they never know how to pick em ;)
darthogre
Actually it didn't come out like that. The dev even says KZ2 isn't going to be the "definitive game" after the PS3 being a couple years old. It's not like he is saying the guy is wrong and KZ2 is the best game ever.
It looks as though he wanted to make sure he knew everything he stated was factually wrong (aside from his opinion 8 Days would be a better game). It's ironic that you say devs act like children......when most fanboys are just that, children. I suppose on some level to get through to most of the gamers you have to come down to their level. Even so....it wasn't a complete unhinged loon response that I've seen before. So many people ask for dev comments and when only finally does respond people always seem to bash them. It's no wonder they usually just don't say anything.
It's the wisest decision. You answer your detractors by making a quality game and let it speak for you. Then when it comes time for talking your words carry some weight. I'm not particularly interested in what the makers of Shellshock 'Nam 67 have to say about people being critical of their game..Hell, they are lucky people are still willing to ask them questions.[QUOTE="potato66"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]And I love how people will make fun of him for this. But when lead dev at Valve or the douche dev from Guitar Hero wants to take their time to bash PS3, that's all good. We can use that for months and months to say the PS3 is impossible to dev on. Seems a little hypocritical.
heretrix
Here's the thing...Valve has proven themselves BEYOND ANY DOUBT. The Half Life series, Steam, Team Fortress are highly regarded software EVERYWHERE. Guitar Hero is a billion dollar franchise. Harmonix then goes on to make freakin' Rock Band (Huge Success)....Of course they can talk crap and people will listen. THEY'VE EARNED IT.
Guerilla?
Hello? Anyone? Bueller?
They have a lot to prove. And taking down some internet fanboy ain't the way to do it. Just make a fantastic game and your work will speak for itself...Usually.
Right. Yeah, Valve is real respectable this gen. Take a last gen game, port it to 360 and PS3. Take Team Fortress, put it on 360 and PS3 and have it run like crap. Take Portal, (the only REAL good thing to come from Orange Box) and they didn't even create it. Tell me why they have earned my respect as a PS3 owner? By giving the already weak porting to EA? Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh, Guitar hero. yeah, it sells like hotcakes. But tell me where those games push console limits. Tell me how a dev of a game like Guitar Hero knows more about how to work with the PS3 than, let's say, Epic? Tell me a dev on Guitar Hero has really pushed console limitations.
I doesn't matter what you think. Half Life is considered one of the greatest games EVER MADE. Gabe has earned his right to speak his mind. You can sit there and try to diminish his contributions to the industry if you want, but he's done a hell of a lot more than most people.And as for Portal, it would not have been as good without Valve's participation, they were instrumental in shaping the game into what it is today. The designers sad as much in the developers commentary of the game.
You want to talk about Valve's contributions this gen just look at the Steam service and how it's shaping the future of digital distribution on the PC.
As for Guitar Hero, who gives a flying fart about pushing console limitations GH and Rock Band are AMAZING experiences that are fun as hell. Technical proficiency means nothing if your game turns out to be crap.
So far Guerilla's track record is pretty spotty with the only bright spot being the PSP Killzone game. Are your really comparing them to Valve or Harmonix?
Seriously?
yea after he openly bashed the ps3 I really should have respect for him? but why shouldn't I he is a profesional isnt he?
Hey, I never said I agreed with Gabe's assessment of the PS3 What I'm saying is that Gabe Newell has proven himself in the industry..He's well beyond the point of having something to prove. His words have more traction than someone responsible for 'Nam '67 or whatever..It's doesn't matter if you agree with him or not, but within the industry his crediblity is pretty damn high.And that's not to say that this Killzone dude has to keep his trap shut, but the last thing you want as a developer is to be clashing with any part of the fanbase. It's not smart, it's just bad for business. Even on a forum where you are answering questions about your game.sure but why should he and the team have to prove anything? they have proven alot in my eyes. They have proven they can make a good game with killzone liberation. and it does matter if it was a thread and forum SPECIFICALY for killzone 2 witch is another reason he should have the right to defend himself and who he works for. You should never think that hes profesional he should have to act the way you presume devs should act. People screw up, it happens. Even though he didnt do anything wrong ill just end here.
If your body of work is good enough, you don't need to go on internet message boards and defend it. Your reputation as a good developer will preceed you and you don't have to own morons with silly questions on the internets..sure but why should he and the team have to prove anything? they have proven alot in my eyes. They have proven they can make a good game with killzone liberation. and it does matter if it was a thread and forum SPECIFICALY for killzone 2 witch is another reason he should have the right to defend himself and who he works for. You should never think that hes profesional he should have to act the way you presume devs should act. People screw up, it happens. Even though he didnt do anything wrong ill just end here.
potato66
And if you don't think that Guerilla has a lot ot prove after Killzone went sideways, you are seriously delusional. It's nice they redeemed themselves in your eyes..That's one person.
[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.aka_aj03
i think sony owned themselves when they said the PS3 would offer experiences unlike anything we've ever seen before. that this generation we'd not be playing games, but experiencing them - the emotion engine will breathe real life and emotion in to every character on screen. yada yada yada.
and he makes it out to sound like its the anti-ps3 fanboys fault - not sony's for setting a totally unrealistic and unattainable benchmark for all their devs, 1st party and 3rd.
i'm sorry, i have no sympath whatsoever. until the ps3 starts to deliver on sony's words - every developer can expect to be criticized. i mean we're talking about the limitless potential of the Cell processor here people. :P
this gen isn't over you knowI know, I'll just wait.
Seriously, Sony promised amazing stuff from the get go. How is that working?
[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]I feel sorry for the guy, he reacted to the comment when he should have maintained his professionalism. However it must be hard to bite your lip and ignore these idiots. Just hope this doesn't blow up in his face.najentus
Point to me the unprofessionalism in his posts. Most people here are talking without reading apparently.
he has earned no respect he owned...an fanboy...an dev owned an fanboy..and not only that he proved nothing, he didn't prove at all that killzone 2 in its current form matches the prerendered this is real time CGI shown at 2005 e3, and he hasn't proven that the game is gonna be worthwhile it seems more like the game will be another killzone 1.
[QUOTE="aka_aj03"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow that guy just owned every single fanboy agianst the PS3 and agianst any PS3 game.dhjohns
i think sony owned themselves when they said the PS3 would offer experiences unlike anything we've ever seen before. that this generation we'd not be playing games, but experiencing them - the emotion engine will breathe real life and emotion in to every character on screen. yada yada yada.
and he makes it out to sound like its the anti-ps3 fanboys fault - not sony's for setting a totally unrealistic and unattainable benchmark for all their devs, 1st party and 3rd.
i'm sorry, i have no sympath whatsoever. until the ps3 starts to deliver on sony's words - every developer can expect to be criticized. i mean we're talking about the limitless potential of the Cell processor here people. :P
this gen isn't over you knowI know, I'll just wait.
Seriously, Sony promised amazing stuff from the get go. How is that working?
It doesn't matter if you wait or don't wait. If this gen is not over, one is just erroneous about saying Sony has not accomplish anything or what they promise to the consumer. People bash at Bluray at the very beginning... but look it where it stands now. Everything takes step by step and Sony is showing that. With 2008 lineup and Home and LBP on the horizon, it will be a great year for PS3 owners and upcoming PS3 owners.
If Sony has not accomplish by the time this gen is over, then one can say that Sony promised to deliver this but they didn't. From now.... Fanboys just need to keep their mouth shut.... Like that one guy bashing at KillZoneII.
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