Killzone Shadowfall is MP graphics king. (no 56k)

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Ben-Buja"]Yeah, pick the worst C3 MP screens you can find as always :roll:

From the open alphaseanmcloughlin

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Why doesn't my Crysis 3 look like that? :? That section looks nothing like that ingame. It looks like shit

Yep, it was obvious the graphic differences between the PS4 and X1 would be huge, Killzone looks 100x better than anything shown on the Xbox One

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="gpuking"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Crysis 3 has screen space reflections, not sure what made you think they took it out after Crysis 2. 

 

Here is an example pic showing them enabled, and disabled.

 http://www.tweakguides.com/images/Crysis3/24_1_ScreenSpaceReflections_0.png

http://www.tweakguides.com/images/Crysis3/24_4_ScreenSpaceReflections_3.png

ferret-gamer

Crysis 3 only reflects flat surfaces on the ground, no walls, no mirrors, nohing other than a flat ground. KZ's reflection is vastly more advanced.

Where are you getting these ideas? 

Railing reflected on a wall:

Monitor screen reflected on a vent:

Squirells reflected in water:

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Yep, it was obvious the graphic differences between the PS4 and X1 would be huge, Killzone looks 100x better than anything shown on the Xbox One

blackace

I my god, I never realized how much better KZ:SF looks than Crysis 3 until I saw comparisons in this thread. Didn't expect the difference to be this huge.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"]

Crysis 3 only reflects flat surfaces on the ground, no walls, no mirrors, nohing other than a flat ground. KZ's reflection is vastly more advanced.

gpuking

Where are you getting these ideas? 

Railing reflected on a wall:

Monitor screen reflected on a vent:

Squirells reflected in water:

Crysis 3 RLR:

http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis3_10.html

Evidence that Crysis 3 actually uses 9 bounces:

And people are comparing a pathetic console dev with Crytek. For more info go and view all Crytek's presentation. One thing you will notice that they don't hide their techniques, they share with other developers. So you can easily guess who does R&D and who simply follows.

Yes,GG hides.

motion blur king confirmed. lighting is lookin pretty solid too.

in the end it's still just a Killzone. i have never really enjoyed them anyway.

Yes,GG hides.

 

killzowned24

Have already seen this.

Only throwing buzz words around didn't discuss any problems in detail unlike Crytek. Go and download any presentation from Crytek and GG, compare the two and then tell me who's using who's work. Every single presentation of Crytek talks about how to solve problems including complex maths, hell they talked about how to better optimize for PS3 than any Sony dev ever did.

Oh and Crytek usually gives these lectures/presentations continously and have written many articles on new realtime graphics techniques which is published in many of the best known professional gaming books. Can I have a link of any presentation/article/books GG/SSM/ND wrote or invent new techniques?

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"]

Crysis 3 only reflects flat surfaces on the ground, no walls, no mirrors, nohing other than a flat ground. KZ's reflection is vastly more advanced.

gpuking

Where are you getting these ideas? 

Railing reflected on a wall:

Monitor screen reflected on a vent:

Squirells reflected in water:

The real time reflections in Crysis 2/3 DX11 even reflects particles. It's not prebaked :?

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

Yes,GG hides.

 

zeeshanhaider

Have already seen this.

Only throwing buzz words around didn't discuss any problems in detail unlike Crytek. Go and download any presentation from Crytek and GG, compare the two and then tell me who's using who's work. Every single presentation of Crytek talks about how to solve problems including complex maths, hell they talked about how to better optimize for PS3 than any Sony dev ever did.

Oh and Crytek usually gives these lectures/presentations continously and have written many articles on new realtime graphics techniques which is published in many of the best known professional gaming books. Can I have a link of any presentation/article/books GG/SSM/ND wrote or invent new techniques?

The real time reflections in Crysis 2/3 DX11 even reflects particles. It's not prebaked :?Peredith

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

Yes,GG hides.

killzowned24

Have already seen this.

Only throwing buzz words around didn't discuss any problems in detail unlike Crytek. Go and download any presentation from Crytek and GG, compare the two and then tell me who's using who's work. Every single presentation of Crytek talks about how to solve problems including complex maths, hell they talked about how to better optimize for PS3 than any Sony dev ever did.

Oh and Crytek usually gives these lectures/presentations continously and have written many articles on new realtime graphics techniques which is published in many of the best known professional gaming books. Can I have a link of any presentation/article/books GG/SSM/ND wrote or invent new techniques?

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

Have already seen this.

Only throwing buzz words around didn't discuss any problems in detail unlike Crytek. Go and download any presentation from Crytek and GG, compare the two and then tell me who's using who's work. Every single presentation of Crytek talks about how to solve problems including complex maths, hell they talked about how to better optimize for PS3 than any Sony dev ever did.

Oh and Crytek usually gives these lectures/presentations continously and have written many articles on new realtime graphics techniques which is published in many of the best known professional gaming books. Can I have a link of any presentation/article/books GG/SSM/ND wrote or invent new techniques?

zeeshanhaider

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] lol,every crytek game this gen on consoles has been subhd.killzowned24

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

Timbury

nasty doesn't even describe ryse.

[QUOTE="Timbury"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] we are? you said GG hides and I proved you wrong. Sony devs don't work on pc so have no need to do as much as work crytek ,plus they are trying to sell its engine. Crytek are the pathetic ones at consoles as shown by crysis and ryse.they are nothing without the brute force of pc backing them up and has been proved.killzowned24

nasty doesn't even describe ryse.

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] lol,every crytek game this gen on consoles has been subhd.killzowned24

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

So Sony First Party are technically inferior after all, gotcha. Well, different technical experts disagree with you on your viewpoint about Crytek on consoles. And I never said GG hides, I said they don't have anything to show and they didn't show any implementation details like Crytek always does, for which you didn't provided any evidence.

Your Sony devs didn't even share how to optimize for PS4. No maths nothing, no solution for any problem. Why? Because they hadn't done anything new or challenging.

[QUOTE="Timbury"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] we are? you said GG hides and I proved you wrong. Sony devs don't work on pc so have no need to do as much as work crytek ,plus they are trying to sell its engine. Crytek are the pathetic ones at consoles as shown by crysis and ryse.they are nothing without the brute force of pc backing them up and has been proved.killzowned24

nasty doesn't even describe ryse.

:lol::lol:God damn does Ryse look like the biggest pile of shit ever created,:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="Peredith"]The real time reflections in Crysis 2/3 DX11 even reflects particles. It's not prebaked :?gpuking

Everything is reflected.

Love that iconic beep when you get a kill

cannot wait for this beast and Battlefield 4

and thanks to Guerilla for promising all future DLC to be free :D

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

When you don't know anything then don't try to act like you do. Crytek already explained why their games were SubHD. They are using way more advanced techniques than all your Sony First Party. They talked about it in GDC and also when Digital Foundary interviewed them. Do you know they achieved all their graphics effects using only the RSX in PS3, not using the cell at all, not because they don't know how to do it but because the size of their levels prevented them from doing so. So they butchered the resolution.

But anyways, we were talking about who has more technical skills, you haven't provided anything that Sony first party did/or invented rather than following Crytek's solutions all along.

zeeshanhaider

So Sony First Party are technically inferior after all, gotcha. Well, different technical experts disagree with you on your viewpoint about Crytek on consoles. And I never said GG hides, I said they don't have anything to show and they didn't show any implementation details like Crytek always does, for which you didn't provided any evidence.

Your Sony devs didn't even share how to optimize for PS4. No maths nothing, no solution for any problem. Why? Because they hadn't done anything new or challenging.

man that red glare from the heghast looks so sexy lol

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Peredith"]The real time reflections in Crysis 2/3 DX11 even reflects particles. It's not prebaked :?Peredith

Everything is reflected.

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] we are? you said GG hides and I proved you wrong. Sony devs don't work on pc so have no need to do as much as work crytek ,plus they are trying to sell its engine. Crytek are the pathetic ones at consoles as shown by crysis and ryse.they are nothing without the brute force of pc backing them up and has been proved.killzowned24

So Sony First Party are technically inferior after all, gotcha. Well, different technical experts disagree with you on your viewpoint about Crytek on consoles. And I never said GG hides, I said they don't have anything to show and they didn't show any implementation details like Crytek always does, for which you didn't provided any evidence.

Your Sony devs didn't even share how to optimize for PS4. No maths nothing, no solution for any problem. Why? Because they hadn't done anything new or challenging.

Sorry, but MLAA wasn't invented by SSM. They only implemented and optimized it for PS3. And what about the ICE team? Anyways, I don't want to discuss the PS3 or any such things. The point is TC is wrong, GG has nothing over Crytek.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Does it? Got any pictures to show just curious? Anyway I'll take back my word, C3 does have realtime reflection, but KZ's even reflects smokes and covers a larger, further area.gpuking

Everything is reflected.

Of course C3 has it as well...

Multiple ways to complete your objective.  Semi-open world.  Top-of-the-line particle and smoke effects. Weapon customisation.

..... Crysis was so good in 2007. 

Poor KZ can't even compete with Crysis 2, let alone 3 but then what do you expect from an equipment equals to a GPU from 2010, a freaking GTX 570.

 

 

 

killzowned24

You wanna know what I just realized that makes me sad about next gen titles like SF. The FOV is too damned low!

You wanna know what I just realized that makes me sad about next gen titles like SF. The FOV is too damned low!

slimjimbadboy

These are prebaked reflection. Show me a Ceph or Cell soldier walking pass a shiny wall with reflection to prove it. The squirrel reflection is cubemap. gpuking

Particles are light sources.

Light is reflected off of the water ripples and onto walls, foliage and objects.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

 

 

 

mitu123

$1000 for a PC to make games look like that... While you can get a PS4 for $400 and have games look better such as Killzone Shadowfall.

Samus3D

But you can't get a PS4 for $400. Not until the end of the year.

Crysis 3 on a medium-range PC:

Take note of the floating embers and debris that even affects the light from the sun.

The only thing wrong with the game is the fact it's killzone.

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

You wanna know what I just realized that makes me sad about next gen titles like SF. The FOV is too damned low!

mitu123

:lol::lol:God damn does Ryse look like the biggest pile of shit ever created,:lol::lol:

OneInchMan99

[QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

:lol::lol:God damn does Ryse look like the biggest pile of shit ever created,:lol::lol:

Douevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="RimacBugatti"]I would have to agree for sure. It looks more and more like PS4 has won this gen. Good thing I preordered Killzone and Driveclub. I know Microsoft has got to be wondering what happened. They were so confident but shot themselves in the foot. It will be interesting to see how it actually plays on the console. If they get 60 fps that will be fantastic. It looks like this gen is going to be alot more exciting. Go Go Power RangerssSubZerOo

If graphic fidelity is the deciding factor to which "wins", then gaming needs another crash.. Seriously..