Knight's Guide to understanding WHY Pc is superior

[QUOTE="knight0151"]

Aww, I wanted my thread to have a lot of console gamers to come in and cry, but it's Pc guys arguing about specs haha. carry on.

thespywholied

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

Wasdie

The PC I put together for $604 will last longer than 6 months. It includes everything aside from a monitor.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

I do like it ho hermits are using consolites lack of pc knowledge to make arguements, which are not even true.

Max = "Run at maximum graphical capability at a decent frame rate" Decent frame rate = 20+ FPS

Crysis, Assassin's Creed 2, Dragon Age, I'm already tired of listing. Almost any game I put on it.

EDIT: At 1680x1050.

EDIT again: It's just now getting outclassed. If I bought a brand new game that came out yesterday, it probably couldn't max it. But 3 years is still longer than 6 months.

dgwutka

The basics, off the top of my head.
AMD X2 4600+
2GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2
GPU was originally a 8600 GTX but I dropped in a GTX 260 a while back, so I guess the system is 2 years old, not 3. I don't know the exact cost but I figure it to be around $500, and I don't include keyboard, mouse, monitors, etc in that figure because I already had them when I bought it.

dgwutka

[QUOTE="dgwutka"]

The basics, off the top of my head.
AMD X2 4600+
2GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2
GPU was originally a 8600 GTX but I dropped in a GTX 260 a while back, so I guess the system is 2 years old, not 3. I don't know the exact cost but I figure it to be around $500, and I don't include keyboard, mouse, monitors, etc in that figure because I already had them when I bought it.

WilliamRLBaker

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-gtx-280,1953-18.html

Also this build would do it even better:

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

sorry no, I dont believe that setup plays crysis at high settings at even 20 fps. maybe 5-10 fps. and 20 fps is quite bad.

WilliamRLBaker

Link

His FPS ranged from 5-35 at 1680x1050 and 11-31 at 1920x1080 supposedly. Both on V.High settings.

I'm thinking the RAM held it back quite a bit, but I wonder what his avg. fps was.

High fps was fine, but the fact it dips so low seems to break the idea that the comp runs it all that well.

Aww, I wanted my thread to have a lot of console gamers to come in and cry, but it's Pc guys arguing about specs haha. carry on.

knight0151

Dont worry I got you.

What if someone does not care about graphics and 50% of his time spent gaming uses local multi player.

(off topic)

Why do no games have split screen online its so fun.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

Silenthps

Unless you have a 720p monitor, why would you play PC games in anything less than the native resolution of your monitor?

Not only were those games not at a very high resolution, the framerates weren't that good. I guess you could blame that on fraps, but still I think you're really missing the point with PC gaming.

PC gaming is all about ultra high resolutions and settings, it isn't about skimping by. That is what the consoles were made for, people who didn't want to have to skimp by with a crap PC that bearly runs the games.

Agreed. I know plenty of people who surf a few years behind the curve to save money, but their rigs are still better than consoles. Many of them are just now getting like HD3870's for $50 and picking up games like World in Conflict, TF2 and Supreme Commander that the rest of us played years ago on the cheap.

That's the thing people forget about PC gaming: The reason PC games have such long shelf-life is because those of us who buy the game when it first comes out are just the first wave of purchasers. The game will continue to sell well for years as people upgrade their rigs. And most PC gamers don't buy $300 video cards...they wait for that card to drop to $50 and then pick it up.

They may be a few years behind but hey, they aren't as far behind technologically as the consoles, which are stuck in 2005 forever.

Fact: PC GAMES ARE RATED AT A HIGHER STANDARD THAN CONSOLE GAMES. Any questions will be answered on request.

knight0151

i really freaking hate that word "superior" it seems so elitist, while i do think that pc gaming is better, for me atleast, i dont go off telling people that my gaming experience is better

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

NVIDIATI

So those are subtle additions, but they raise the price by about $166. Now for a little over $750, people can actually build themselves a good gaming rig... but there was still a lot of skimping on the core parts, more than I'd be comfortable with for my own gaming rig.

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

NVIDIATI

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

NVIDIATI

Just out of curiosity, do you have something against AMD CPUs? This is the second time I've seen you suggest running an AMD cpu without cooling (OEM parts).

i really freaking hate that word "superior" it seems so elitist, while i do think that pc gaming is better, for me atleast, i dont go off telling people that my gaming experience is better

linkin_guy109

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

FACT: You save MONEY in the long run because of the PC, steam says hello. I will lay down some examples.

Bfbc2 for consoles: 60 dollars.

For PC: 46.99, and look guys, IT WAS ON SALE ON EA a while back ago for around 20 bucks. Amazing. Yes, we Pc gamers save money.

THQ Metro 2033 was on sale for 12.50, how much was it for you console folks, 60 dollars?

KNIGHT LOL'S.

Steam sales are amazing, I don't even need to say anything. You guys just download steam and see.

knight0151

Since this hasn't been addressed, I'll take it. Gee, sales, never see these for consoles. :roll:

Right now, Target has Transformers War for Cybertron for PS3 clearance priced at $20. It's $40 on Steam.

Gamestop has Battlefield Bad Company 2 for $40. It's currently $50 on Steam. Modern Warfare 2 is $50, $60 on Steam. Left 4 Dead 2 is $30 on both.

This isn't even going into used sales or holiday B2G1free or B1G2 half off sales. If you shop around, you can always find deals, it's not exclusive to PC games.

[QUOTE="knight0151"]

FACT: You save MONEY in the long run because of the PC, steam says hello. I will lay down some examples.

Bfbc2 for consoles: 60 dollars.

For PC: 46.99, and look guys, IT WAS ON SALE ON EA a while back ago for around 20 bucks. Amazing. Yes, we Pc gamers save money.

THQ Metro 2033 was on sale for 12.50, how much was it for you console folks, 60 dollars?

KNIGHT LOL'S.

Steam sales are amazing, I don't even need to say anything. You guys just download steam and see.

asylumni

Since this hasn't been addressed, I'll take it. Gee, sales, never see these for consoles. :roll:

Right now, Target has Transformers War for Cybertron for PS3 clearance priced at $20. It's $40 on Steam.

Gamestop has Battlefield Bad Company 2 for $40. It's currently $50 on Steam. Modern Warfare 2 is $50, $60 on Steam. Left 4 Dead 2 is $30 on both.

This isn't even going into used sales or holiday B2G1free or B1G2 half off sales. If you shop around, you can always find deals, it's not exclusive to PC games.

Hermits seem to be assuming that console players buy all their games for 60$

I bought bc2, metreo 2033, and me2, for 80 together. These games were all still at over 40 dollars on steam when i bought these.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="knight0151"]

FACT: You save MONEY in the long run because of the PC, steam says hello. I will lay down some examples.

Bfbc2 for consoles: 60 dollars.

For PC: 46.99, and look guys, IT WAS ON SALE ON EA a while back ago for around 20 bucks. Amazing. Yes, we Pc gamers save money.

THQ Metro 2033 was on sale for 12.50, how much was it for you console folks, 60 dollars?

KNIGHT LOL'S.

Steam sales are amazing, I don't even need to say anything. You guys just download steam and see.

SakusEnvoy

Since this hasn't been addressed, I'll take it. Gee, sales, never see these for consoles. :roll:

Right now, Target has Transformers War for Cybertron for PS3 clearance priced at $20. It's $40 on Steam.

Gamestop has Battlefield Bad Company 2 for $40. It's currently $50 on Steam. Modern Warfare 2 is $50, $60 on Steam. Left 4 Dead 2 is $30 on both.

This isn't even going into used sales or holiday B2G1free or B1G2 half off sales. If you shop around, you can always find deals, it's not exclusive to PC games.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

asylumni

Just out of curiosity, do you have something against AMD CPUs? This is the second time I've seen you suggest running an AMD cpu without cooling (OEM parts).

rofl. I guess he just keeps bottles of water arround xD

[QUOTE="dgwutka"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

Wasdie

Define "max" and what games?

I can say my old $300, 10 year old PC can max almost anything too.

That doesn't make it true.

My $1200 PC built in 2007 with a 8800 gts 640mb struggled to keep decent framerates with any modern game. I don't know how your $500 PC from the same time could do any better.

My 2007 8800gtOC 700USD PC can max out most games with only a handful not.

Metro 2033 1440x900 very high directx 10

Or at 1680x1050 with directx 9 which looks the same.

That is one of the most demanding games and it runs fine.

Your 8800gts 640mb version is weaker than my 8800GT OC though...

Also a computer does more than just game and is practically a necessity in life.

PC > Consoles

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

coreybg

Just out of curiosity, do you have something against AMD CPUs? This is the second time I've seen you suggest running an AMD cpu without cooling (OEM parts).

rofl. I guess he just keeps bottles of water arround xD

A heatsink for the cpu is only like 15-25 USD for a regular good one.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

asylumni

Just out of curiosity, do you have something against AMD CPUs? This is the second time I've seen you suggest running an AMD cpu without cooling (OEM parts).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200042&cm_re=cpu_fan-_-35-200-042-_-Product

UPDATE: Thanks to asylumni for pointing out I forgot a CPU fan :D

$612.88

· Nvidia GTX 460 GPU

· 160GB 7200rpm HDD

· Windows 7

· DVD Drive

· KB/M + Speakers

· 2GB DDR2 800 RAM

· Case

· CPU Fan

· AMD Phenom 2.5ghz quad core black edition CPU

· AM2+ MOBO

· 680watt PSU

· FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5535/600pc.jpg

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

So those are subtle additions, but they raise the price by about $166. Now for a little over $750, people can actually build themselves a good gaming rig... but there was still a lot of skimping on the core parts, more than I'd be comfortable with for my own gaming rig.

Let's start with the hardware. PC's have superior hardware, and no, the Ps3 cell processor does not dwarf the pc hardware. Which means that developers can PUSH the technological limits of the PC as the hardware is ALWAYS improving so developers have VERY LITTLE restriction, this allows open world gameplay without annoying loading screens as PC's have more RAM than the 512 MB that consoles have. We enjoy 1920x1200 resolution and EVEN HIGHER, yes, that's right console guys, EVEN HIGHER that that. Especially with ATI Eyefinity, and if you got the money, then go for that, 3 screens with triplehead2go.

FACT:, PC hardware is better, and developers have more room to create gaming master pieces on PC because of that.

Now, time to debunk arguments

"BUT U HAZ TO PAY 9000 DOLLARS A MONTH TO UPGRADE IT"

No, my console troll friend, you don't have to, those with money certainly can, but they're not really spending their money wisely."

FACT: Pc gaming DOES NOT cost thousands of dollars, budget machines CAN be built for about 400-500 dollars. And when you think about it, when you buy a console, that's 200-300 bucks, not counting the XBL Live membership, or the extra peripherals that you have to buy with it. Such as an extremely overpriced hard drive *looks at microsoft*

FACT: You save MONEY in the long run because of the PC, steam says hello. I will lay down some examples.

Bfbc2 for consoles: 60 dollars.

For PC: 46.99, and look guys, IT WAS ON SALE ON EA a while back ago for around 20 bucks. Amazing. Yes, we Pc gamers save money.

THQ Metro 2033 was on sale for 12.50, how much was it for you console folks, 60 dollars?

KNIGHT LOL'S.

Steam sales are amazing, I don't even need to say anything. You guys just download steam and see.

"BUT KNIGHT, PC GAMING IS DYING NO GOOD PC SALES" Wrong.

48 percent, that's right, 48, are on digital distribution services, such as steam an Direct2Drive.

Fact: Digital Distribution has been growing at a very fast pace.

"But knight, PC GAMERS HAZ NO AAAA"

Fact: PC GAMES ARE RATED AT A HIGHER STANDARD THAN CONSOLE GAMES. Any questions will be answered on request.

knight0151

My computer is 2008. And it played Neverwinter Nights. Okay? Now My Dad (the one who plays it) comes in the house with Neverwinter Nights 2. I Installed it and it was SLOW, Laggy (not even online).

I asked my Dad what was wrong with it, and he said we needed a new video card.

Another day, my Dad walks in with Assassin's Creed (number 1).

Once we got the new video card ( $60 ) and installed it, Neverwinter Nights 2 ran great!! :D Once my dad finished it, he put in Assassin's Creed, and it didn't work... Same situation.

Gaming will only get more expensive, and in this economy, my family cannot afford an upgrade every two years. Its just not worth it. :x And Computers have more technical problems than consoles, (viruses mostly)

It just costs more, no matter how cheaper the games are.

Alright I took a couple of minutes and put this together...

$604.89

• Nvidia GTX 460
• 160GB HDD 7200rpm
• Windows 7
• DVD Drive
• KB/M + speakers
• 2GB DDR2 800 Ram
• Case
• AMD Phenom 2.5Ghz quad core black edition
• AM2+ MOBO
• 680watt PSU
• FREE: Just Cause 2

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5535/600pc.jpg

Your reasons are the specs, which is obvious and some games being cheaper, which I agree with.However, the PC has a limited library. It excels in FPS and strategy games. There are a lot of games across all consoles that ARE NOT on PC. That's reason enough for me to appreciate PCs and consoles. One is not better than the other.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

Wasdie

Unless you have a 720p monitor, why would you play PC games in anything less than the native resolution of your monitor?

Not only were those games not at a very high resolution, the framerates weren't that good. I guess you could blame that on fraps, but still I think you're really missing the point with PC gaming.

PC gaming is all about ultra high resolutions and settings, it isn't about skimping by. That is what the consoles were made for, people who didn't want to have to skimp by with a crap PC that bearly runs the games.

While higher resolutions is a given with PC gaming, to say that's what PC gaming is about is misleading. How long have you been gaming on the PC anyway?

Icame in here expecting valid reasons, and I gottechnical specs and all that jazz. The PC has a limited library. It excels in FPS and strategygames. There are a lot of games across all consoles that ARE NOT on PC.

these_nuts

There are plenty of games on the PC that are not on the consoles... In fact, many more, due to its insane amount of exclusives.

PC also excels in genres such as Adventure, RPG's (including MMO's) and Sims (including race sims, flight sims etc).

The PC library is pretty much far from limited.

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Wasdie

Max = "Run at maximum graphical capability at a decent frame rate" Decent frame rate = 20+ FPS

Crysis, Assassin's Creed 2, Dragon Age, I'm already tired of listing. Almost any game I put on it.

EDIT: At 1680x1050.

EDIT again: It's just now getting outclassed. If I bought a brand new game that came out yesterday, it probably couldn't max it. But 3 years is still longer than 6 months.

dgwutka

buying a 400-500 dollars PC will just result in having to run the games at high settings with minimum AA and at a resolution around 1300 or 1400.and with framerate of about 20-30 FPS with regular drops on crowded areas thanks but I preffer sticking to consoleslightleggy

My computer is around 400 to be build right now.

It can play just about any game fine.

whether it is Dragon Age, Prince of Persia, Gears of War or most other games.

[QUOTE="these_nuts"]

Icame in here expecting valid reasons, and I gottechnical specs and all that jazz. The PC has a limited library. It excels in FPS and strategygames. There are a lot of games across all consoles that ARE NOT on PC.

lundy86_4

There are plenty of games on the PC that are not on the consoles... In fact, many more, due to its insane amount of exclusives.

PC also excels in genres such as Adventure, RPG's (including MMO's) and Sims (including race sims, flight sims etc).

The PC library is pretty much far from limited.

Also the PC covers all genres just look at the awesome indie dev support.

Oh and Metro 2033 works fine on 1680x1050.

It's pretty obvious that pc gaming is more expensive than console gaming. But a lot of people blow it out of proportion. The way I see it, basically everyone has a computer. If you want to pc game, you could just shell out a few hundred extra dollars and then you have a decent pc for gaming. It'll still be more expensive though, if you want to keep new games looking great. You'll have to upgrade every so often, something you don't have to do as often with consoles.

Quick question if PC games standards were higher then logically wouldn't multiplat games on PC would be scored lower?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Hahadouken

Wasdie has said what we've been saying forever. But coming from someone who has actually invested in modern PC gaming, for some reason, it holds more weight.

I've been longing to get back into gaming on the PC the way I want to. That means spending some big bucks on a top-of-the-line rig separate from addition costs. I also wanted to take advantage of the latest epic, Steam sale (having the games ready for me whenever I delve into investing seriously), but I'm currently broke :(.

EDIT: @Haha below - Funny thing, I'm using a Compaq computer now. And it's my mom's :|.

^^ Those screens don't look particularly impressive, those are not taxing games, and that doesn't show us how they run, at all. I also seriously doubt any of you are taking into account the entire kit, and only counting the $400 you put in to use an old case/power supply, old or pirated OS, mouse and keyboard, speakers or headphones, etc. Bottom line is you can't take mom's Compaq, toss a GPU and some RAM in there and claim it's a "$400 PC". :sHahadouken

Nope my PC is worth 400 USD all in all.

And those are impressive pics.

Consoles don't have that kind of quality.

They have low res and blurry graphics.

Metro 2033 is in a tie with Crysis as best looking video game ever.

Also a console couldn;t even dream to run those games at the res and higher settings on the PC.

They can barely run Metro 2033 at the lowest settings and 720P.

All the things TC mentioned are what the pc is good for on paper only.

The one advantage pc has over consoles is 'upgradable' hardware. so if you're gonna go for a 400-500 dollar pc, assuming you buy it the same time as a console's release, the pc will last no longer than the console in terms of graphics. If you upgrade, then it's an additional cost and it contradicts the whole 'cheap pc' thing

And if you are truely right about superior gaming on pc, why are more devs focusing on consoles except for a few like blizzard? Obviously pc isn't a better choice for devs, and in the long run, whatever isn't better for devs will eventually not be better for gamers, due to lack of support.

Do i need to mention DRM? It's like a thorn in the back especially for pc gaming. Our beloved Starcraft 2 too can't stay away from it. Mandatory internet connections? Mandatory signing in even during LAN? What if Microsoft or Sony one day said that if your friend came over to your house, he needed a registered account to play the 2nd controller? OMG, that will be the bomb....and that's what Blizzard is doing to pc gaming now. Everything is under some form of control.

In short, pc gaming is better is some ways. Overall superiority? Not quite.

It's pretty obvious that pc gaming is more expensive than console gaming. But a lot of people blow it out of proportion. The way I see it, basically everyone has a computer. If you want to pc game, you could just shell out a few hundred extra dollars and then you have a decent pc for gaming. It'll still be more expensive though, if you want to keep new games looking great. You'll have to upgrade every so often, something you don't have to do as often with consoles.

cain006

All the things TC mentioned are what the pc is good for on paper only.

The one advantage pc has over consoles is 'upgradable' hardware. so if you're gonna go for a 400-500 dollar pc, assuming you buy it the same time as a console's release, the pc will last no longer than the console in terms of graphics. If you upgrade, then it's an additional cost and it contradicts the whole 'cheap pc' thing

And if you are truely right about superior gaming on pc, why are more devs focusing on consoles except for a few like blizzard? Obviously pc isn't a better choice for devs, and in the long run, whatever isn't better for devs will eventually not be better for gamers, due to lack of support.

Do i need to mention DRM? It's like a thorn in the back especially for pc gaming. Our beloved Starcraft 2 too can't stay away from it. Mandatory internet connections? Mandatory signing in even during LAN? What if Microsoft or Sony one day said that if your friend came over to your house, he needed a registered account to play the 2nd controller? OMG, that will be the bomb....and that's what Blizzard is doing to pc gaming now. Everything is under some form of control.

In short, pc gaming is better is some ways. Overall superiority? Not quite.

jhcho2

Console have more high scoring exclusives than console by far.

Also there are many games not reviewed by GS so it could be even more.

There are only a few games with mandatory internet connections and you can get rid of that too.

Also just use steam and you have no worries about drm.

What some people spend on Xbox live I could make it go towards a simple upgrade.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]^^ Those screens don't look particularly impressive, those are not taxing games, and that doesn't show us how they run, at all. I also seriously doubt any of you are taking into account the entire kit, and only counting the $400 you put in to use an old case/power supply, old or pirated OS, mouse and keyboard, speakers or headphones, etc. Bottom line is you can't take mom's Compaq, toss a GPU and some RAM in there and claim it's a "$400 PC". :sHakkai007

Nope my PC is worth 400 USD all in all.

And those are impressive pics.

Consoles don't have that kind of quality.

They have low res and blurry graphics.

Metro 2033 is in a tie with Crysis as best looking video game ever.

That Metro screen looks heavily aliased.

Hahadouken

So what Consoles could never dream of playing it at those settings.

In motion you don't even notice it.

Also that 400-450 USD PC is around 4x more powerful than any consoles.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]^^ Those screens don't look particularly impressive, those are not taxing games, and that doesn't show us how they run, at all. I also seriously doubt any of you are taking into account the entire kit, and only counting the $400 you put in to use an old case/power supply, old or pirated OS, mouse and keyboard, speakers or headphones, etc. Bottom line is you can't take mom's Compaq, toss a GPU and some RAM in there and claim it's a "$400 PC". :sHahadouken

Nope my PC is worth 400 USD all in all.

And those are impressive pics.

Consoles don't have that kind of quality.

They have low res and blurry graphics.

Metro 2033 is in a tie with Crysis as best looking video game ever.

It is.....omg you must be blind nothing on consoles match those technical graphics.

The consoles are using old outdated 5 year old gimped hardware.

There are over 30 PC games that look better technically than any console game.

.....zzzz console fanboys....

Also a console couldn;t even dream to run those games at the res and higher settings on the PC.

They can barely run Metro 2033 at the lowest settings and 720P.

Hakkai007