Knight's Guide to understanding WHY Pc is superior

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also a console couldn;t even dream to run those games at the res and higher settings on the PC.

They can barely run Metro 2033 at the lowest settings and 720P.

Hahadouken

30+ FPS for all games.

around 43 on Prince of Persia.

35 on Dragon Age

34 on Metro 2033

45 on Gears of War.

Onl Metro is using AAA all the other games are maxed out in AA.

Console barely use AA at all so I am not sure what your are arguing.

Plus console games play at low res 720P most of the time.

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It is.....omg you must be blind nothing on consoles match those technical graphics.

The consoles are using old outdated 5 year old gimped hardware.

There are over 30 PC games that look better technically than any console game.

.....zzzz console fanboys....

Hakkai007

It doesn't matter what it says on paper about the hardware specs or age, I use my eyes to determine what looks good and your screens don't look good at all. "PC games" overall definitely look better than console games, just not on your rig and not based on the ugly screens you are sharing with us.

I could list half a dozen console games that look better than the screens you are posting, and that number will go up to an easy dozen by the end of the year.

Sorry bud, you might need to stop with the "zzz"s and wake up to the reality the rest of us are living in.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]]

It is.....omg you must be blind nothing on consoles match those technical graphics.

The consoles are using old outdated 5 year old gimped hardware.

There are over 30 PC games that look better technically than any console game.

.....zzzz console fanboys....

Hahadouken

It doesn't matter what it says on paper about the hardware specs or age, I use my eyes to determine what looks good and your screens don't look good at all. "PC games" overall definitely look better than console games, just not on your rig and not based on the ugly screens you are sharing with us.

I could list half a dozen console games that look better than the screens you are posting, and that number will go up to an easy dozen by the end of the year.

Sorry bud, you might need to stop with the "zzz"s and wake up to the reality the rest of us are living in.

I go by technical specs which is the only fact.

Looks are opinions.

To me those pics look better than any console game and no one has post pics of any game rivaling them.

bull shots don't count and they must be stretched to 1680x1050 res.

Going by technical graphics no console game can beat them.

Consoles can't even hope to get textures like that.

I go by technical specs which is the only fact.

Looks are opinions.

To me those pics look better than any console game and no one has post pics of any game rivaling them.

bull shots don't count and they must be stretched to 1680x1050 res.

Going by technical graphics no console game can beat them.

Hakkai007

Going by technical specs, big rigs have more powerful engines than Ferarri's, but Ferrari's are faster, cooler, better, etc.

Going by my eyes, which is what I use to view graphics, not numbers and letters that tell me what I should be seeing, your screens don't impress me whatsoever, you've chosen games that are not impressive to display in the first place, and there are several console games that handily beat what I am seeing in those pictures.

LOL @ Morrigan's face. :lol:

The thing is, I think you know all this, so I am done arguing the same thing ad nauseum. I think the tribe has spoken on this issue.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

I go by technical specs which is the only fact.

Looks are opinions.

To me those pics look better than any console game and no one has post pics of any game rivaling them.

bull shots don't count and they must be stretched to 1680x1050 res.

Going by technical graphics no console game can beat them.

Hahadouken

Going by technical specs, big rigs have more powerful engines than Ferarri's, but Ferrari's are faster, cooler, better, etc.

Going by my eyes, which is what I use to view graphics, not numbers and letters that tell me what I should be seeing, your screens don't impress me whatsoever, you've chosen games that are not impressive to display in the first place, and there are several console games that handily beat what I am seeing in those pictures.

LOL @ Morrigan's face. :lol:

The thing is, I think you know all this, so I am done arguing the same thing ad nauseum. I think the tribe has spoken on this issue.

Yup I know you are a blind console fanboy who can't offer anything but words.

Gears of War on the PC looks better than any console game.

Heck my friend who is a rapid Console fanboy for 15 years has all the consoles and hundreds of games finally bought a PC and played Gears of War with me and he was amazed. This was after he played Uncharted 2.

Even him as a console fanboy agreed that it looked better.

I know you will continue to say that it doesn't but facts are facts.

Just like how Oblivion ran slow on console and looked worse than the PC version.

Now the PC version has mods to make it look and play many times better.

Consoles haven;t gotten stronger their developers just take out things and lower settings.

They lower the draw distance and LOD and they use low resolution textures and low AA and low object details.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also a console couldn;t even dream to run those games at the res and higher settings on the PC.

They can barely run Metro 2033 at the lowest settings and 720P.

Hakkai007

30+ FPS for all games.

around 43 on Prince of Persia.

35 on Dragon Age

34 on Metro 2033

45 on Gears of War.

Onl Metro is using AAA all the other games are maxed out in AA.

Console barely use AA at all so I am not sure what your are arguing.

Plus console games play at low res 720P most of the time.

Just wondering, what's in this $400 rig you've got?

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] The screens you are posting don't back up what you say at all. You are posting screens of graphically unimpressive games that STILL have heavy aliasing, and we have no way of knowing what framerate they run at with that resolution.asylumni

30+ FPS for all games.

around 43 on Prince of Persia.

35 on Dragon Age

34 on Metro 2033

45 on Gears of War.

Onl Metro is using AAA all the other games are maxed out in AA.

Console barely use AA at all so I am not sure what your are arguing.

Plus console games play at low res 720P most of the time.

Just wondering, what's in this $400 rig you've got?

8800GT OC

AMD Athlon X2 5200+

2 gigs of DDR2 800mhz RAM

There was a deal for it but it may be 450 USD now.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

stiggy321

Yes console are cheaper at initial buy.

The you have to factor in PSN or Xbox Live.

Also the 99 USD wireless peripheral if you use xbox 360.

Then you have to factor in that the games cost more for publishing and other reasons.

My PC which is probably worth 450 USD not on sale can run games at 1680x1050 res which is much higher than console, it can also use higher AA and higher settings with 30+ FPS which is smooth enough.

Price to performance ratio the PC wins.

450-500 USD PC is 4x more powerful than any console.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Yup I know you are a blind console fanboy who can't offer anything but words.Hahadouken

You should read the TOS before you break it again, because posts like this get you reported and disciplined in a hurry.

Sorry but the truth hurts......you have offered no evidence and only words.

Where are you screenshots?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]buying a 400-500 dollars PC will just result in having to run the games at high settings with minimum AA and at a resolution around 1300 or 1400.and with framerate of about 20-30 FPS with regular drops on crowded areas thanks but I preffer sticking to consolesHakkai007

My computer is around 400 to be build right now.

It can play just about any game fine.

whether it is Dragon Age, Prince of Persia, Gears of War or most other games *bunch of pics*

that doesnt look better than a console tbh...and like the mod (I dont know his name) said...what is the point in doing pc gaming if you cant beat a console? if you are going to play on PC, make sure that you actually MAX the games, make sure that it actually beats a console graphically

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Yup I know you are a blind console fanboy who can't offer anything but words.Hakkai007

You should read the TOS before you break it again, because posts like this get you reported and disciplined in a hurry.

Sorry but the truth hurts......you have offered no evidence and only words.

Where are you screenshots?

[QUOTE="stiggy321"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

i shall volunteer my old gaming rig to prove your point about cost. This computer cost $450, but not recently, in 2008. That was when the ps3 was still $500-600. So my computer was LESS than a ps3

This is what it was able to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILa4jDsPUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811cft3Vg2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMZ0IN3Ko0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe0Ecl1fm8

Hakkai007

Yes console are cheaper at initial buy.

The you have to factor in PSN or Xbox Live.

Also the 99 USD wireless peripheral if you use xbox 360.

Then you have to factor in that the games cost more for publishing and other reasons.

My PC which is probably worth 450 USD not on sale can run games at 1680x1050 res which is much higher than console, it can also use higher AA and higher settings with 30+ FPS which is smooth enough.

Price to performance ratio the PC wins.

450-500 USD PC is 4x more powerful than any console.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

You should read the TOS before you break it again, because posts like this get you reported and disciplined in a hurry.

Mograine

That's all you can say in answer to his post?

Truth burns, eh?

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also a console couldn;t even dream to run those games at the res and higher settings on the PC.

They can barely run Metro 2033 at the lowest settings and 720P.

Hakkai007

30+ FPS for all games.

around 43 on Prince of Persia.

35 on Dragon Age

34 on Metro 2033

45 on Gears of War.

Onl Metro is using AAA all the other games are maxed out in AA.

Console barely use AA at all so I am not sure what your are arguing.

Plus console games play at low res 720P most of the time.

My friends spent at least $1500 to build their decent gaming PCs. But one of theirs constantly crashes on some more demanding games for an unknown reason.

One of my friends spent about $2400 to build his gaming rig, and it runs every game imaginable well on high video settings, and I find it funny how the Mac equivalent would cost about $7000.

PCs are superior when it comes to hardware. But I much prefer console gaming because I can't play games like Tales of Vesperia, Skate 2, MLB10 the Show, White Knight Chronicles, Sonic Unleashed, Uncharted 2, Star Ocean 4, inFamous, Warhawk, Naruto UNS or LittleBigPlanet on my PC.

And there's no such thing at splitscreen on PC, only LAN or Online. So if I wanna play TF2 with friends, they need to have their own computer and have bought their own copy of TF2. If I wanna play Tales of Vesperia with friends, all we need is one Xbox 360, one copy of the game and more than one controller, and that costs way less than a second computer and a second copy of the same game.

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Wasdie

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Kiyobear

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] The screens you are posting don't back up what you say at all. You are posting screens of graphically unimpressive games that STILL have heavy aliasing, and we have no way of knowing what framerate they run at with that resolution.asylumni

30+ FPS for all games.

around 43 on Prince of Persia.

35 on Dragon Age

34 on Metro 2033

45 on Gears of War.

Onl Metro is using AAA all the other games are maxed out in AA.

Console barely use AA at all so I am not sure what your are arguing.

Plus console games play at low res 720P most of the time.

Just wondering, what's in this $400 rig you've got?

Well it was on a deal earlier for it I don't see the deal anymore.

But this rig is slightly more powerful and if you are a college student or know a college student you can save 70USd off the OS.

Also if you already have an OS from your previous computer just use that.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Iantheone

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

I spent 700 on my "new" PC a year and a half ago and while the video card is a little under powered everything else is tip top. I run EVE, my favorite game, maxed out with two instances open at the same time. If I want to play BF:BC with a quality frame rate, which I demand for a MP FPS, I need to run it on low. If I run it on mid it's ok but nothing is more annoying then getting in an intense situation having your frame rate plummet.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

I'm sorry but anybody who says that buying a PC is cheap ALWAYS forgets that 90% of people who don't own a good PC need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and probably speakers or headphones and an operating system. All that alone adds up to about $300 extra to any price. Also a 600 PC will beable to play all of the games, but very few of the new ones on high settings and NO new games on high or even medium settings.

You want a PC that is going to last, that isn't going to break from cheap parts, that is going to not require an upgrade for 2-3 years? Drop at least 1 grand on the PC alone, not including software and extra hardware you will need (mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers).

PC gaming can be superior because of the hardware and open platform but developers need to take advantage of it. If you just port a console game over to the PC, it just isn't right. Everything from the optimization of the engine to the UI will be wrong.

Good PC gaming requires money. There is no escaping it. If PC gaming were cheap, the consoles wouldn't be necessary. Consoles are there to provide another way to play games at a much lower cost than it costs to build and maintain a PC.

I love PC gaming, I just built a brand new computer, I bought 50 games on the Steam sale for dirt cheap, I love the open platform, I love how robust the features is, but I know for a fact that nothing about PC gaming is cheap. If you want quality, you have to pay for it.

Iantheone

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

@Hakkai007 Have you ever bought a pre-made before? No I do not have the OS. IT came preinstalled and I do not have any Window's CDs. There is also some bull**** 'sub OS' from HP that I could never fully get rid of. If I own this computer that uses Window's could I get Window's XP install CDs for free? I live in the United States if it matters.Zerkrender

Not my fault.

When you buy your computer you can ask for the windows installl cd with the cd key on it.

I did buy a PC for someone back in 2005 and they gave it to me when I asked.

They also gave me one for my laptop that I bought a few years ago.

You can find a college friend to purchase windows 7 64 bit home for 30 USD.

And I forgot to mention you can slash 20 USD more off to that build if you buy a cheaper keyboard and mouse.

>I spent 700 on my "new" PC a year and a half ago and while the video card is a little under powered everything else is tip top. I run EVE, my favorite game, maxed out with two instances open at the same time. If I want to play BF:BC with a quality frame rate, which I demand for a MP FPS, I need to run it on low. If I run it on mid it's ok but nothing is more annoying then getting in an intense situation having your frame rate plummet.

Kiyobear

I think in BC2 online it gets maybe 20 fps, which is fine for my brother who has now inherited it. It can get MW2 going at max settings with a steady 40 or so from what I can remember.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My computer is around 400 to be build right now.

It can play just about any game fine.

whether it is Dragon Age, Prince of Persia, Gears of War or most other games *bunch of pics*Hakkai007

that doesnt look better than a console tbh...and like the mod (I dont know his name) said...what is the point in doing pc gaming if you cant beat a console? if you are going to play on PC, make sure that you actually MAX the games, make sure that it actually beats a console graphically

those are max and you are just blind.

Post some screenshots that aren't bull shot and stretch them to 1680x1050 or close to that if you must keep aspect ratio.

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"]@Hakkai007 Have you ever bought a pre-made before? No I do not have the OS. IT came preinstalled and I do not have any Window's CDs. There is also some bull**** 'sub OS' from HP that I could never fully get rid of. If I own this computer that uses Window's could I get Window's XP install CDs for free? I live in the United States if it matters.Hakkai007

Not my fault.

When you buy your computer you can ask for the windows installl cd with the cd key on it.

I did buy a PC for someone back in 2005 and they gave it to me when I asked.

They also gave me one for my laptop that I bought a few years ago.

You can find a college friend to purchase windows 7 64 bit home for 30 USD.

And I forgot to mention you can slash 20 USD more off to that build if you buy a cheaper keyboard and mouse.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

lightleggy

A PC does an almost infinite amount of things while a console just plays games......I am not even sure why people try to compare a price to a Computer which is practically a necessity in today's society.

Also I just posted a build that could at it's lowest cost around 380-400USD and be 4x more powerful than a console.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"]@Hakkai007 Have you ever bought a pre-made before? No I do not have the OS. IT came preinstalled and I do not have any Window's CDs. There is also some bull**** 'sub OS' from HP that I could never fully get rid of. If I own this computer that uses Window's could I get Window's XP install CDs for free? I live in the United States if it matters.Zerkrender

Not my fault.

When you buy your computer you can ask for the windows installl cd with the cd key on it.

I did buy a PC for someone back in 2005 and they gave it to me when I asked.

They also gave me one for my laptop that I bought a few years ago.

You can find a college friend to purchase windows 7 64 bit home for 30 USD.

And I forgot to mention you can slash 20 USD more off to that build if you buy a cheaper keyboard and mouse.

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

Fact: No 500-600 dollar PC will last more than 6 months.

Wasdie

Not sure if serious :|

If you were absolutely obsessed with PC gaming to the extent where you are willing to shell out that much dosh to have the best PC possibly available commercially at any point in time, then yeah, but honestly, if you want to play the best games fairly well you can upgrade over a fairly long period of time. Upgrading that much is excessive and expensive in my opinion. At that point it's a hobby, and I'm not talking about gaming, so the price shouldn't factor in to this in the same matter. Playing games at max possible settings is not a necessity to enjoy games, I really have no idea why people all ways try to argue in extremes when it comes to PC gaming. There are greater problems with PC gaming than cost though, like unpredictability.

The thing about PC gaming is that your platform is not my platform, it's all very variable depending on location, personality and what people want from video games.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

It will. There is just no way you're going to get a lot of the new games. You hobble along trying to play them. Though in recent years that seems to be less of an issue; at least for me. I find myself playing more and more indy games that don't have high req's.

lightleggy

Didnt the 360 come out in 2005 or something? At the time that I got the upgrades it could play any game that was out at the time at max (Except Crysis, but we all know that). And that is all I have ever put into that system. How much did you have to pay for a TV, controllers, Live and etc over the years?

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

that doesnt look better than a console tbh...and like the mod (I dont know his name) said...what is the point in doing pc gaming if you cant beat a console? if you are going to play on PC, make sure that you actually MAX the games, make sure that it actually beats a console graphically

lightleggy

those are max and you are just blind.

Post some screenshots that aren't bull shot and stretch them to 1680x1050 or close to that if you must keep aspect ratio.

Ok now you are trolling.....Dragon Age was using 8x AA and so was Prince of Persia.

Post some direct feed screenshots and stop talking bull.

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Not my fault.

When you buy your computer you can ask for the windows installl cd with the cd key on it.

I did buy a PC for someone back in 2005 and they gave it to me when I asked.

They also gave me one for my laptop that I bought a few years ago.

You can find a college friend to purchase windows 7 64 bit home for 30 USD.

And I forgot to mention you can slash 20 USD more off to that build if you buy a cheaper keyboard and mouse.

Hakkai007

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"] I have a ****ty keyboard+mouse already KTHX How much is a old gaming mouse? I heard they really made a difference in shooters (I suck at them).Iantheone

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

Yah combo deals are alright.

I picked a more expensive one for that build which is why I said you can cut about 20 USD off if you buy them separate.

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Not my fault.

When you buy your computer you can ask for the windows installl cd with the cd key on it.

I did buy a PC for someone back in 2005 and they gave it to me when I asked.

They also gave me one for my laptop that I bought a few years ago.

You can find a college friend to purchase windows 7 64 bit home for 30 USD.

And I forgot to mention you can slash 20 USD more off to that build if you buy a cheaper keyboard and mouse.

Hakkai007

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"] I have a ****ty keyboard+mouse already KTHX How much is a old gaming mouse? I heard they really made a difference in shooters (I suck at them).Zerkrender

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

Even the really low end video cards today can max out that game.

[QUOTE="Zerkrender"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

If this was 2005 you may be right about crappy mice and keyboard but now in days a low price one is not bad.

You can be fine with just a 8 dollar mouse and 8 dollar keyboard.

Hakkai007

Even the really low end video cards today can max out that game.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Iantheone"] My 2004 PC cost me $400. Upgraded it in 2007 for an extra $200. It can still play new games albeit at low-med settings (and at 1024x768, but thats its monitors max res)Iantheone

Didnt the 360 come out in 2005 or something? At the time that I got the upgrades it could play any game that was out at the time at max (Except Crysis, but we all know that). And that is all I have ever put into that system. How much did you have to pay for a TV, controllers, Live and etc over the years?

Wow... all that effort for something we already know.... Although you forgot to mention that Steam has lightning download speeds compared to consoles... And that almost all pro-gamers are on PC.

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[QUOTE="Zerkrender"] I don't want to 'just do fine'. I have been picked on for voting against certain maps on Zombie Escape admitting my PC couldn't handle them. I have been playing Counter-Strike Source (before the update) on mid settings (high textures and shaders low everything else) four a couple years at 1280x1024(when I had a GF7300LE) and then at the lowest settings (although with color correction on) at 1200x800 (after my GPU fried), and then to not being able to play it at all after the update. Doing 'just fine' isn't good enough, next I log onto CSS... I want my PC to be after to chew it to pieces at the highest settings with FRAPs on so I can record epic moments and with my FPS never dropping below 60FPS. When I get a job I will be willing to pay anything to get it. Zerkrender

Even the really low end video cards today can max out that game.

An 8800 gt is in the lower part of the mid end tier.

And 8800gt can max out alot of games from today at 1680x1050 res.

I am talking about the lower part of the low end tier.

Like something around an ATI 5450

ps3- 320 dollars new and sealed. controllers- 0 dollars...it came included and I dont buy extras cus I hate playing split screen. tv- like 400 dollars, but the tv is not only for gaming...its also for watching tv (Duh) and blu ray movies. live- 0 dollars, I dont have an xbox. for 700 dollars, im getting games with great graphical quality (and a maximum one, not a medium-low) and I will not have to update the console. cheaper console gamer is cheaperlightleggy

You do realize console games don't play games at highest settings right? This has been made apparent with the introduction of PC/console multiplats, where the PC often runs it with much higher settings and resolution. As an example, look at Dragon Age: Origins:

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] for 200 dollars and a bit more, you could be playing those games at "max" settings and a standard of 720p and above in an xbox. so PC gaming fails again...why to spend money on a gamer pc if its not going to beat a console?lightleggy

Didnt the 360 come out in 2005 or something? At the time that I got the upgrades it could play any game that was out at the time at max (Except Crysis, but we all know that). And that is all I have ever put into that system. How much did you have to pay for a TV, controllers, Live and etc over the years?

I just posted a computer build that is 4x more powerful than a console and at it's lowest it can cost around 380 USD.

That is good enough.