Kotaku Durango info.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]Looking at AMD's site it seems like PS4's GPU is pretty similar to a 7970M (The M is important as their desktop GPUs are much more powerful than the mobile ones), just slightly weaker. Meanwhile the next Xbox's looks more like a 7870M but a little better. Basically subtract 2 compute units from the 7970M and you've got the PS4 GPU. Meanwhile add 2 compute units to the 7870M and you've got the Nextbox GPU. Not sure how it will translate to the screen but seems like a fairly large difference on paper.ronvalencia

From http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/

There are no known GCN with 32 double precision/64bit ALUs per CU.

AMD Tahiti's CU has 64 single precision/32bit ALUs and effectively has 16 ALU double precision/64bit per CU i.e. ratio of 4:1. Even with 18 CUs, PS4's double precision/64bit compute is pretty strong.

7970M has 64 single precision/32bit ALUs and effectively has 4 ALU double precision/64bit per CU i.e. ratio of 16:1. http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/7000m/7900m/Pages/radeon-7900m-series.aspx#/2

For 64bit compute, it looks like Sony is attempting to avoid another repeat of gimped 32bit compute with NVIDIA RSX.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57736&page=5

"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

...

10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

"Half floats" refers to 16bit floating point.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]Looking at AMD's site it seems like PS4's GPU is pretty similar to a 7970M (The M is important as their desktop GPUs are much more powerful than the mobile ones), just slightly weaker. Meanwhile the next Xbox's looks more like a 7870M but a little better. Basically subtract 2 compute units from the 7970M and you've got the PS4 GPU. Meanwhile add 2 compute units to the 7870M and you've got the Nextbox GPU. Not sure how it will translate to the screen but seems like a fairly large difference on paper.Wickerman777

From http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/

There are no known GCN with 32 double precision/64bit ALUs per CU.

AMD Tahiti's CU has 64 single precision/32bit ALUs and effectively has 16 ALU double precision/64bit per CU i.e. ratio of 4:1. Even with 18 CUs, PS4's double precision/64bit compute is pretty strong.

7970M has 64 single precision/32bit ALUs and effectively has 4 ALU double precision/64bit per CU i.e. ratio of 16:1. http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/7000m/7900m/Pages/radeon-7900m-series.aspx#/2

For 64bit compute, it looks like Sony is attempting to avoid another repeat of gimped 32bit compute with NVIDIA RSX.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57736&page=5

"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"

...

10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.

"Half floats" refers to 16bit floating point.

1.8 TFLOPs refers to single precision floating point (32bit) compute.

If PS4 has "32 double precision floating point(64bit) ALUs per CU" then it's using a newer GCN design i.e. extended from AMD Tahiti instead of AMD Pitcairn.

PS4's GCN solution could range from Radeon HD 7850 (Pitcairn Pro) to Radeon HD 7870 XT (Tahiti LE).

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tormentos"]""NineTailedGoku

Wait, you're actually considering the possibility that negative XBox info could be true?  Who are you and what did you do with the real Delta? 

I have my Durango / 720 money set aside, waiting for the end of this year to buy it like I did a two launch 360s in 2005 and two Xboxs in 2001. Of course, Perfect Dark Zero didn't work out as a launch LAN title people loved, so that sucked. But Halo 1/2 LAN on Xbox was a blast. I may only buy one 720 at launch depending on software. I bought two Wii Us, and that didn't pan out as I thought it would, mostly because Nintendo's atrocious Nintendo Network Policy, but also software concerns. My two PS3's worked great due to Blu-Ray saving the day when there was little gaming to be done (plus, 360 + PC ftw back then). :P

If all these rumours turn out to be true, Lems are going to have a miserable time on System Wars this gen. :lol:Xaero_Gravity

aka you, as your post history across various accounts can attest, child. :lol: (Older than a child, but you post like one so...if the shoe fits.)

Not sure why you wanted to be a douchebag for these last few months, but I can easily post the accounts and history if you want to deny it...also, you are a spammy poster, who besides trolling, offers little in actual content.

Remember, you decided to post about me repeatedly while I kept silent and dealt w/R issues, so this is only fair play. I will add you to the small list of infatuated users (mostly lems, a few sprinkled herms, sheep, and cows too though) that can't get enough of SolidTy. You would be in the butthurt Lemming with many banned GS accounts category. I think your jealous of my e-peen Xbox Live Achievements which best yours by tens of thousands. ;) You are old enough to know better, shame on you... ;) :P

I have my Durango / 720 money set aside, waiting for the end of this year to buy it like I did a two launch 360s in 2005 and two Xboxs in 2001. Of course, Perfect Dark Zero didn't work out as a launch LAN title people loved, so that sucked. But Halo 1/2 LAN on Xbox was a blast. I may only buy one 720 at launch depending on software. I bought two Wii Us, and that didn't pan out as I thought it would, mostly because Nintendo's atrocious Nintendo Network Policy, but also software concerns. My two PS3's worked great due to Blu-Ray saving the day when there was little gaming to be done (plus, 360 + PC ftw back then). :P

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"]If all these rumours turn out to be true, Lems are going to have a miserable time on System Wars this gen. :lol:SolidTy

aka you, as your post history across various accounts can attest, child. :lol: (Older than a child, but you post like one so...if the shoe fits.)

Not sure why you wanted to be a douchebag for these last few months, but I can easily post the accounts and history if you want to deny it...also, you are a spammy poster, who besides trolling, offers little in actual content.

Remember, you decided to post about me repeatedly while I kept silent and dealt w/R issues, so this is only fair play. I will add you to the small list of infatuated users (mostly lems, a few sprinkled herms, sheep, and cows too though) that can't get enough of SolidTy. You would be in the butthurt Lemming with many banned GS accounts category. I think your jealous of my e-peen Xbox Live Achievements which best yours by tens of thousands. ;) You are old enough to know better, shame on you... ;) :P

The mods don't care anymore about his alts.:)

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I have my Durango / 720 money set aside, waiting for the end of this year to buy it like I did a two launch 360s in 2005 and two Xboxs in 2001. Of course, Perfect Dark Zero didn't work out as a launch LAN title people loved, so that sucked. But Halo 1/2 LAN on Xbox was a blast. I may only buy one 720 at launch depending on software. I bought two Wii Us, and that didn't pan out as I thought it would, mostly because Nintendo's atrocious Nintendo Network Policy, but also software concerns. My two PS3's worked great due to Blu-Ray saving the day when there was little gaming to be done (plus, 360 + PC ftw back then). :P

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"]If all these rumours turn out to be true, Lems are going to have a miserable time on System Wars this gen. :lol:super600

aka you, as your post history across various accounts can attest, child. :lol: (Older than a child, but you post like one so...if the shoe fits.)

Not sure why you wanted to be a douchebag for these last few months, but I can easily post the accounts and history if you want to deny it...also, you are a spammy poster, who besides trolling, offers little in actual content.

Remember, you decided to post about me repeatedly while I kept silent and dealt w/R issues, so this is only fair play. I will add you to the small list of infatuated users (mostly lems, a few sprinkled herms, sheep, and cows too though) that can't get enough of SolidTy. You would be in the butthurt Lemming with many banned GS accounts category. I think your jealous of my e-peen Xbox Live Achievements which best yours by tens of thousands. ;) You are old enough to know better, shame on you... ;) :P

The mods don't care anymore about his alts.:)

The ones they know about, I know. ;)

That's old news, Super. :) They only care about select individual alts, it seems. :o(aka chele for instance)

[QUOTE="NineTailedGoku"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Very ineresting article, don't like the part about Kinect watching me all the time though, better not be watching me whilst the console is OFF,loldelta3074

Wait, you're actually considering the possibility that negative XBox info could be true?  Who are you and what did you do with the real Delta?