LBP Starts to Stink

http://kotaku.com/5081159/lbp-levels-getting-moderated-out-of-existence

Worst possible thing to happen to any community.

The GoW map was easily the best in LBP, along with several others they've already deleted.

LBP's community is starting to suck, and I'm already questioning whether it deserves its score.

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

then gamers who create levels will focus more on their personal creativity.. i'mm definately picking up the game later this year... for me it makes no difference whether there will be a Mario level or any other level related to a famous character/game..

its makes no sense for me hearing people being put off just because they cannot create a level from a famous game franchise.. i would rather play original levels rather than for example a Super Mario / MGS / GOW etc etc level in LBP..

I don't get that, usually making fan related work is ok as long as you don't charge for it and this is free level sharing isn't it.

then gamers who create levels will focus more on their personal creativity.. i'mm definately picking up the game later this year... for me it makes no difference whether there will be a Mario level or any other level related to a famous character/game..

its makes no sense for me hearing people being put off just because they cannot create a level from a famous game franchise.. i would rather play original levels rather than for example a Super Mario / MGS / GOW etc etc level in LBP..

Malta_1980

They already exist. I've played them already. When I turn my game system back on, they'll be gone.

Escape from Alcatraz...gone. Batman level...gone. Tetris level? Maybe gone. God of War level, gone. Super Mario level....gone.

What about this are you not following? They're taking levels that people could have spent potentially hours to weeks on and just tossing them in the garbage because they have a reference to some IP. I'm sorry, in what way is that a violation of IP laws? If I drew a picture of Dragonball Z and stapled it to a tree, would that be a violation of the copyright on the name DBZ and the DBZ characters? It's the same damn thing.

Thats just pathetic seriously.. I'm definitely not getting this game now.Dahaka-UK

how did people not see this comming, its run by a big company like sony who like covering their ass (the "offence ot islam" incident is prime example), their overzelousness will crush their community and make new creative content fail to materialise.

im sorry to sound like a hermit but this would NEVER happen if this was a PC game.

when you say Gow do you mean God of war or gears of war? because therewould be no reason to Mod a God of war level since its a sony IP and Gears of war is Geow, Anyway people complaining saying there not getting the game anymore are most likely xbox fanboys that were never going to buy it in the first place

And if you owned little big planet you would know the best levels are the ones that arnt crap remakes or themes of other games, the best level made is the Azure palace by far and it has nothing to do with any other game, it's just an awesome idea come to life and thats what makes little big planet great.

The only levels that might get modded are 360 only owned titles and mario the rest from 3rd parties and sony Ips will be fine so there really isnt a problem

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

SpruceCaboose

Using someone elses copyright material shouldn't be a big thing as long as you don't make profit from it.

Im not going to argue about the score, but it IS a community driven game. I have read one reiew which says if your not online your missing out on half the experience.

Also Sony can't boast about allowing PC level mod abilities so to speak if they don't actually allow it. Im not jumping on the bandwagon here but if you don't let people do what they want, whats the point.

I think reviewers should start detracting from their score until they stop this crap. At least then we'd get some lulz from the counter-injury.BobHipJames

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Thats just pathetic seriously.. I'm definitely not getting this game now.thegoldenpoo

how did people not see this comming, its run by a big company like sony who like covering their ass (the "offence ot islam" incident is prime example), their overzelousness will crush their community and make new creative content fail to materialise.

im sorry to sound like a hermit but this would NEVER happen if this was a PC game.

You don't sound like a hermit, you're simply telling the truth. I've built "Goliath factories" in Warcraft 3 and I've played "Dragon Ball Z Source."

Fact of the matter is, with mods, nobody cares, because it's clear that it's user-created and user-hosted. The problem here is that they're hosting it on their servers, on their game, on their network. And them doing this totally undermines everything they've said about the game. It doesn't just piss me off, it makes me chomp at the bit. Another reason we shouldn't be gaming on consoles.

Can you imagine if this happened on a Microsoft platform? I'm pretty sure the game would be obliterated.

I think companies should ease up with all the copyright stuff

as far as I see it, creating levels similar to other games and movies is only free advertisement

when you say Gow do you mean God of war or gears of war? because therewould be no reason to Mod a God of war level since its a sony IP and Gears of war is Geow, Anyway people complaining saying there not getting the game anymore are most likely xbox fanboys that were never going to buy it in the first place

And if you owned little big planet you would know the best levels are the ones that arnt crap remakes or themes of other games, the best level made is the Azure palace by far and it has nothing to do with any other game, it's just an awesome idea come to life and thats what makes little big planet great.

The only levels that might get modded are 360 only owned titles and mario the rest from 3rd parties and sony Ips will be fine so there really isnt a problem

bigLLL

didn't you read the article??!?!?!?!

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]I think reviewers should start detracting from their score until they stop this crap. At least then we'd get some lulz from the counter-injury.IronBass

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

It's a matter of principle. And every reviewer has cited the limitless growth potential and possibility for creativite expression as a positive.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

Darth_DuMas

Using someone elses copyright material shouldn't be a big thing as long as you don't make profit from it.

Actually it is.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

IronBass

Using someone elses copyright material shouldn't be a big thing as long as you don't make profit from it.

Actually it is.

Why/how?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]I think reviewers should start detracting from their score until they stop this crap. At least then we'd get some lulz from the counter-injury.BobHipJames

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

It's a matter of principle. And every reviewer has cited the limitless growth potential and possibility for creativite expression as a positive.

That hasn't changed. You can still create every level you can imagine. The only thing you can't is use other companies' copyright, what has nothing to do with "being creative".

Why/how?

BobHipJames

Even if you don't make profit of it, it is illegal.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]I think reviewers should start detracting from their score until they stop this crap. At least then we'd get some lulz from the counter-injury.IronBass

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

It's a matter of principle. And every reviewer has cited the limitless growth potential and possibility for creativite expression as a positive.

That hasn't changed. You can still create every level you can imagine. The only thing you can't is use other companies' copyright, what has nothing to do with "being creative".

Yeah, as long as you make sure that you don't infringe on anything that's been copyrighted over the last...how many years?

That's what I'd call a limitation. It takes limitless and then makes it limited.

Yeah, as long as you make sure that you don't infringe on anything that's been copyrighted over the last...how many years?

That's what I'd call a limitation. It takes limitless and then makes it limited.

BobHipJames

And that was expected.

Because we all know that we are always limited by the laws.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]I think reviewers should start detracting from their score until they stop this crap. At least then we'd get some lulz from the counter-injury.BobHipJames

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

It's a matter of principle. And every reviewer has cited the limitless growth potential and possibility for creativite expression as a positive.

That hasn't changed. You can still create every level you can imagine. The only thing you can't is use other companies' copyright, what has nothing to do with "being creative".

Yeah, as long as you make sure that you don't infringe on anything that's been copyrighted over the last...how many years?

That's what I'd call a limitation. It takes limitless and then makes it limited.

the 'failer to lauch' example is a good one (please read the link ppl) the level contains NO copywrited refercences, it only shares the name of a movie. it would be like something being taken down for being called 'Nevermind' incase someone sees that as a nirvana reference.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Yeah, as long as you make sure that you don't infringe on anything that's been copyrighted over the last...how many years?

That's what I'd call a limitation. It takes limitless and then makes it limited.

IronBass

And that was expected.

Because we all know that we are always limited by the laws.

Free, user made content is usually fine though. As long as it's just random people in their basements having fun and not making money off it, it should be allowed.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

I haven't read any reviewer giving this game a high score because "it has a Mario-like level".

There's no reason for changing the score.

thegoldenpoo

It's a matter of principle. And every reviewer has cited the limitless growth potential and possibility for creativite expression as a positive.

That hasn't changed. You can still create every level you can imagine. The only thing you can't is use other companies' copyright, what has nothing to do with "being creative".

Yeah, as long as you make sure that you don't infringe on anything that's been copyrighted over the last...how many years?

That's what I'd call a limitation. It takes limitless and then makes it limited.

the 'failer to lauch' example is a good one (please read the link ppl) the level contains NO copywrited refercences, it only shares the name of a movie. it would be like something being taken down for being called 'Nevermind' incase someone sees that as a nirvana reference.

That is exactly the same thing with these levels. Everything is solely derived from the creator's brain, aside from the title. Sometimes they even use pictures. Cut those out, and it's gravy, amirite? What is the fuss?

As far as being limited by the law: then why did you say that it's the same? It's clearly not limitless, no question.

when you say Gow do you mean God of war or gears of war? because therewould be no reason to Mod a God of war level since its a sony IP and Gears of war is Geow, Anyway people complaining saying there not getting the game anymore are most likely xbox fanboys that were never going to buy it in the first place

And if you owned little big planet you would know the best levels are the ones that arnt crap remakes or themes of other games, the best level made is the Azure palace by far and it has nothing to do with any other game, it's just an awesome idea come to life and thats what makes little big planet great.

The only levels that might get modded are 360 only owned titles and mario the rest from 3rd parties and sony Ips will be fine so there really isnt a problem

bigLLL

Um read the article plz. It states even the level based on the PS3 was modded.

[If "Failure to Launch" was taken down because it shares a title with a romantic comedy from 2006, then this is truly out of hand. The thread is more than nine pages long now, including a claim that a level based on the PlayStation 3 was taken down. Destructoid rightly points out the absurdity of a console exclusive being unable to refer to that console.]

Free, user made content is usually fine though. As long as it's just random people in their basements having fun and not making money off it, it should be allowed.

locopatho

Not at all.

I'll give you one example:

What if a group of people take a lot of time, effort, etc and create -let's say- ten levels that are a ressenblance to the first ten levels of New Super Mario Bros, and they uploaded to the community.

Sure, they are getting no profit, but they are making New Super Mario Bros less apealing, and that could cost Nintendo a lot of money.

That could mean a lot of trouble for Sony if Nintendo (rightly) decided to sue them.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Free, user made content is usually fine though. As long as it's just random people in their basements having fun and not making money off it, it should be allowed.

IronBass

Not at all.

I'll give you one example:

What if a group of people take a lot of time, effort, etc and create -let's say- ten levels that are a ressenblance to the first ten levels of New Super Mario Bros, and they uploaded to the community.

Sure, they are getting no profit, but they are making New Super Mario Bros less apealing, and that could cost Nintendo a lot of money.

That could mean a lot of trouble for Sony if Nintendo (rightly) decided to sue them.

If thats the case then Sony really shot themselves in the foot with this game. Cause they have to watch out for every little detail on user created levels so as to make sure they dont get slapped with a lawsuit.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Free, user made content is usually fine though. As long as it's just random people in their basements having fun and not making money off it, it should be allowed.

IronBass

Not at all.

I'll give you one example:

What if a group of people take a lot of time, effort, etc and create -let's say- ten levels that are a ressenblance to the first ten levels of New Super Mario Bros, and they uploaded to the community.

Sure, they are getting no profit, but they are making New Super Mario Bros less apealing, and that could cost Nintendo a lot of money.

That could mean a lot of trouble for Sony if Nintendo (rightly) decided to sue them.

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

locopatho

Thats because there would be no point whatsoever in suing them as they probably cant even pay the compensation fines.

This is different. With a large company like Sony backing it up money can be made by suing them for copyright infringement.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

BobHipJames

Do not be so petty.

Don't. It's embarrassing. They're not using other companies' copyrights. What they're doing is making a free level for nonprofit distribution on a videogame.

It's called using your brain and a creative enterprise to make other people happy. They want to take that away for some ridiculous pie-in-the-sky idea of intellectual property that's robbing me of value, entertainment, and creative potential.

Y'know, I wouldn't be so....enraged if 90% of the stuff I've seen that's worth a damn on that game wasn't based off a movie, comic, videogame, or TV show. Which it is.

They will indeed moderate their own game into oblivion.

Sony fails. I thought they were open platform...it turns out, they're rabid and out for blood.

The users are not for profit, but the game itself is certainly for profit, and Sony could indeed be sued since other companies' copyrights are indeed being used in a game that is making money, and if Sony refused to remove the material, it would indeed lead to lawsuits.

Same reason sound-alikes are being monitored and taken out of Guitar Hero World Tour.

When you use work or IPs that are not yours in a setting that is monitored and vetted by a for profit, you can expect trouble.

And FYI, there are some fantastically creative, original levels in LBP. geodesic (?) or something similar is the name of a very creative author who has at least 3 fantastic levels out right now, the level Azure Palace is fantastic, and I could keep listing.

You can be creative and not completely rip off existing IPs, and if you want to rip off IPs, just modify them a bit to stop any chance of lawsuits. Simple.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

Zerocrossings

Thats because there would be no point whatsoever in suing them as they probably cant even pay the compensation fines.

This is different. With a large company like Sony backing it up money can be made by suing them for copyright infringement.

I thought Sony would be able to say "Hey they made the levels, not us!" and not be liable. After all, the levels are user made. Apparently I'm wrong...

wow thats lame, the only good thing about LPB was the user created levels....and the devs are deleting them coz they are scared that they might be sued lol

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

locopatho

Thats because there would be no point whatsoever in suing them as they probably cant even pay the compensation fines.

This is different. With a large company like Sony backing it up money can be made by suing them for copyright infringement.

I thought Sony would be able to say "Hey they made the levels, not us!" and not be liable. After all, the levels are user made. Apparently I'm wrong...

In the case that they got sued, they might try that. But right now it appears they are trying to stop even that from happening as the risk is still there. Its their product afterall, the "its made by them" argument may not get them out of a lawsuit..

In the case that they got sued, they might try that. But right now it appears they are trying to stop even that from happening as the risk is still there. Its their product afterall, the "its made by them" argument may not get them out of a lawsuit..

Zerocrossings

A direct sue is never the first step in such cases.

If Sony deletes the level(s) as soon as they are reported, there's no valid reason for it.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

This should not affect the score, as the game was scored for what it was, not for the community. The community just has to start being creative in different ways.

BobHipJames

Using someone elses copyright material shouldn't be a big thing as long as you don't make profit from it.

Actually it is.

Why/how?

You cannot use IPs or copyrights that do not belong to you in any public way.

Most companies let things like fan-fiction and fan art slide because its non-profit, its usually positive, its free advertising, and it would be hard to stop anyway.

However, companies are protective of their property, and I cannot imagine one company other than Sony which would like the idea of its IPs and copyrights being used in a game or project that is not their own.

If it is not yours, and you don't have permission to use it, you cannot use it, and if you do, you should not expect it to stand.

It would work in a PC mod world, since those are almost impossible to police, but this is not. It is a closed and closely monitored system.

Like I said, its unfortunate, but it should not be a shock, which is why I am surprised people like Kotaku took it to be so unheard of, as they should have known better.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

Zerocrossings

Thats because there would be no point whatsoever in suing them as they probably cant even pay the compensation fines.

This is different. With a large company like Sony backing it up money can be made by suing them for copyright infringement.

and thats why comminuty driven games don't belong on consoles :P

What do they use to make LBP B.R. disks and is the disk decomposing or something ? :lol:

Seriously, that isn't good and this title has had more trouble right from the word go then just about any AAA game in recent memory. I hope they let creative people umm, create.

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

In the case that they got sued, they might try that. But right now it appears they are trying to stop even that from happening as the risk is still there. Its their product afterall, the "its made by them" argument may not get them out of a lawsuit..

IronBass

A direct sue is never the first step in such cases.

If Sony deletes the level(s) as soon as they are reported, there's no valid reason for it.

Which is what they are doing now..

All this crap about lawsuits, sueings and money. Has this really what gaming has become? It wasn't always like this surely?

Is there ever going to be a user generated content game not made by a company that is sissy scared of being sued? God may aswell just stick to mods, no limitations there.

[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

Yeah but there's loads of mods and user made games out there that reference other ips. They're usually left alone as long as no profit is made.

locopatho

Thats because there would be no point whatsoever in suing them as they probably cant even pay the compensation fines.

This is different. With a large company like Sony backing it up money can be made by suing them for copyright infringement.

I thought Sony would be able to say "Hey they made the levels, not us!" and not be liable. After all, the levels are user made. Apparently I'm wrong...

Sony is in charge of the platform. They are the ones legally responsible (along with the authors).

Everyone in the industry should have saw this coming, and Sony should have warned level makers of this before hand, but I don't fault them for what they are doing.

I fault Sony and MM for not explaining to the community that copyrighted materials were off limits in user-levels better.