LBP Starts to Stink

http://kotaku.com/5081159/lbp-levels-getting-moderated-out-of-existence

Worst possible thing to happen to any community.

The GoW map was easily the best in LBP, along with several others they've already deleted.

LBP's community is starting to suck, and I'm already questioning whether it deserves its score.

WAIW

I can tell you right now the game didn't deserve it's score IMHO. It has absolutely HORRENDOUS controls.

"I can tell you right now the game didn't deserve it's score IMHO. It has absolutely HORRENDOUS controls."

I agree, it has horrendous controls/physics and undeserved deaths are frequent... But I love it thanks to its user-created content and presentation. Unfortunately, it looks like 95% of worthwhile maps have been deleted, which in my opinion lowers its score... I wouldn't despise Media Molecule's decision if they had forewarned the community. As it is, it looks like they just left out the rule so that they would sell more copies.

"I can tell you right now the game didn't deserve it's score IMHO. It has absolutely HORRENDOUS controls."

I agree, it has horrendous controls/physics and undeserved deaths are frequent... But I love it thanks to its user-created content and presentation. Unfortunately, it looks like 95% of worthwhile maps have been deleted, which in my opinion lowers its score... I wouldn't despise Media Molecule's decision if they had forewarned the community. As it is, it looks like they just left out the rule so that they would sell more copies.

WAIW

i agree, people seemed to have scored this game on spec, as in what it could do in the future, now that the commuity has had its leggs chopped off i think we might need toreconsider the replayablilty factor if you can't have any remote reference to anything else.

again, this is why community driven games are a really bad idea on consoles, its just more of the PS3 desperatly trying to be a PC and failing at it.

Glad I now know not to bother finishing my Donkey Kong Country tribute level.

Thanks Sony and MM.

I dont get it, really. why are people mad about this? It's obvious isn't it? I wouldn't like being sued over something ridicules and I really dont see the problem here. Let's say you make a lvl of Gears of War, isn't is just about changing the name and everything out that relates to gears of war? The map wont be any worse will it? It just has a different name and a few changes.

But I will admit that it's silly they're deleting lvl's straigh away instead of giving us warnings so that we atleast have a chance of changing whatver is necessesary.

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

"I can tell you right now the game didn't deserve it's score IMHO. It has absolutely HORRENDOUS controls."

I agree, it has horrendous controls/physics and undeserved deaths are frequent... But I love it thanks to its user-created content and presentation. Unfortunately, it looks like 95% of worthwhile maps have been deleted, which in my opinion lowers its score... I wouldn't despise Media Molecule's decision if they had forewarned the community. As it is, it looks like they just left out the rule so that they would sell more copies.

thegoldenpoo

i agree, people seemed to have scored this game on spec, as in what it could do in the future, now that the commuity has had its leggs chopped off i think we might need toreconsider the replayablilty factor if you can't have any remote reference to anything else.

again, this is why community driven games are a really bad idea on consoles, its just more of the PS3 desperatly trying to be a PC and failing at it.

Talk about overreaction. "community has had its leggs chopped off" are you kidding. Have you played LBP, its controls are solid and the developer levels are amazing. Controls was not a huge complaint in any of the reviews. As for the user created content, there is a level I enjoy called Temple of Doom that is a solid user created level. With a name change the level will stay there and that is what you will see people do change the names and not put copyrighted symbols but still tribute to their inspiration. On the other hand MOST of the good levels are original user created levels. To many crappy level hide behind the batman symbol or other forms of Nostalga. A good user created level has great gameplay and it doesnt matter if the level has the mario picture or not that wont make a crappy level good or a good level bad without the mario picture.

I mean gamers are the ultimate lupole finders, they find ways to pirate, mod, etc. you think a small thing like not being able to put the batsymbol on the level will stop a gamer from making a Batman esque level, please.

That's just horrible. The community got backstabbed.

Glad I now know not to bother finishing my Donkey Kong Country tribute level.

Thanks Sony and MM.

GalvyX99

Change the name and make sure you don't say Donky Kong and you should be good to go.

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

We have the fair-use doctrine in the US which allows individuals to use copyrights within limits.

But I think it's always a good idea to contact the company you wish to use a copyright from and receive permission first once you explain what it will be used for. That will guarantee no litigation.

SpruceCaboose

In the US, and that would be risky anyway, as its still being used in a for profit game.

LBP is a worldwide game, and as such has to abide by laws in all the countries.

Is the fair-use doctrine the legislation that corporate America hides behind when people click OK on the EULA on social networking sites that basically turns their IP into mega media corporations property if they choose to use it? There is a double standard here...the difference is an army of lawyers...LBP players don't have one...these monolithic companies just have their lawyers start spamming threats and what's done is done...just like the user created 'tribute' levels...is it not like free advertising for all these games to have their characters honoured in this way???

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Seriously I wouldn't get all pissy if someone copied my work. I'd be perfectly ok with it. Too bad game developers are not like me. Otherwise we wouldn't see any of this copyright bullcrap. Copying ideas is not stealing. How petty to even call it that. Greed and money all play apart in it, if developers where less greedy they wouldn't care about such things as some random person making a level on a casual level editor that just so happens to be similer their work. I'd be honored more than anything.DireToad

But like Dahaka-UK said, stealing and copying can be two completely different things. This was somewhat expected really; it was only a matter of time. Especially after the Muslim music incident.

If I would ever get to spend my time creating something in the game, I would probably put my time into creating things other than tributes but... still... that's far from being the point. This is a major hit on one of the biggest points of the game. And when you start to take the players freedom on a user created content type game... nothing else needs to be said really.

Well. I can understand why these levels are being moded, but it still sucks.

I mean, half of the levels out there have something to do with another game. So whats gonna happen there. Plus how can an LBP level hurt sales for devs. I doubt someones going to play a level on this game rather than get the real thing.

Does this mean that star wars level must go???? I love playing that one with friends :(

And it completely destroyes the whole "your limit os your imagination" thing they had going. PLUS it completely contradicts with what they did. They released those costumes like kratos and stuff, so how come they copy stuff and we dont?

This is really annoying imo. Its just going to get rid of all the good levels...

I seriously cannot comprehend why people ever wanted this game to begin with and/or continue to buy it. Cloud_Insurance

Its a good game. Just becuase you dont like it that does not reflect the entire gaming community.

I bought it becuase I played the beta and loved it. nd even with this setback I still love the game.

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.SpruceCaboose

This comes as a surprise to me. In all the PC games that I've played that allow for this level of creativity, I've never known this to be a problem. Why this is suddenly a problem, and all the content needs to be deleted, is beyond me.

this was indeed expected,but even some levels that are slightly "offensive" are being takin down aswell.

i've heard people say that you can just change the title so it doesnt appear to have anything to do with something that is related to another IP. My question is what would be the point in spending hours of your freetime creating a very cool level based off your favorite game only to not get noticed due to the unrelated title it will have to be under?

javy03;

"Controls was not a huge complaint in any of the reviews."

Go watch Gametrailers' review.

javy03;

 

"Controls was not a huge complaint in any of the reviews."

Go watch Gametrailers' review.

WAIW

I watched it and there were no big complaints about controls.  They complained slightly about the floaty jumps but then said that their choices were understandable and that the floaty jumps left plenty of room for error.  They also mentioned the three different plains can be dice but said that they understand their choices.  If you got poor controls from that review you are obviously looking for flaws.  Have you actually played the game?

This sucks, I was really looking forward to getting this game, especially for the copyright infringement levels. But I think this controversy will help bring more interest to the game. p2250

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]I seriously cannot comprehend why people ever wanted this game to begin with and/or continue to buy it. exiledsnake

yeah but the point of this game was to get creative (to cover up the simple gameplay) and now they are vastly infringing on ones ability to do that. Screw that.  

Its unfortunate, but expected. You cannot use other companies' copyrights.

SpruceCaboose

As long as no money is exchanging hands over questionable copyrighted content, I don't see why there should be a problem. The developer is making money on the game, but shouldn't be held accountable for user created levels.

sooo if thats the case then what about mods??? like halo characters in ut3??

"I've seen now unplayable due to moderation: Pacman, Batman, and Scrubs related level." I admit even things with cartoon childish violence (That may be because of the ESRB*) may be a little much, but why can't you just come up with something original? Does every single level you play have to based off something else you play/watch/read? I guess the average person has a lot less imagination then I thought. After all, when I asks people of their ideas most of the time they don't have one or it's very basic. (Is it that hard? Yes it is that freakin hard, I've owned the game since day one and can't think of one good idea...all my levels look like crap and I just end up scraping the whole thing all together.If it is then I may have a talent after all.) * You know the AO rating still exists? Age of Conan and The Witcher were going both going to have something that would have give them an AO rating. They took it out because AO rating comes with limitations such as; you can't sell them in majoy public stores like Wal-Mart, You can't advertise it in certain places, and neither Sony, Microsoft, nor Nintendo do allow AO rating games on their consoles. Did you know Blizzard would have added stuff like adult only servers if they could? And that you can turn your language filter off but you can still be banned for it (so it's only for private chat mostly)? It's because if they allowed any adult content at all, even on a secure special server, they would lose their T rating.Nerkcon

sooo if thats the case then what about mods??? like halo characters in ut3??

BillGates_Money

"I've seen now unplayable due to moderation: Pacman, Batman, and Scrubs related level." I admit even things with cartoon childish violence (That may be because of the ESRB*) may be a little much, but why can't you just come up with something original? Does every single level you play have to based off something else you play/watch/read? I guess the average person has a lot less imagination then I thought. After all, when I asks people of their ideas most of the time they don't have one or it's very basic. (Is it that hard? If it is then I may have a talent after all.) * You know the AO rating still exists? Age of Conan and The Witcher were going both going to have something that would have give them an AO rating. They took it out because AO rating comes with limitations such as; you can't sell them in majoy public stores like Wal-Mart, You can't advertise it in certain places, and neither Sony, Microsoft, nor Nintendo do allow AO rating games on their consoles. Did you know Blizzard would have added stuff like adult only servers if they could? And that you can turn your language filter off but you can still be banned for it (so it's only for private chat mostly)? It's because if they allowed any adult content at all, even on a secure special server, they would lose their T rating.Nerkcon

You ramble a lot. What are you complaining about? The LBP world is pretty dull in my opinion, so why not do spoofs, satires, odes, and nostalgic levels? How does this show a lower level of creativity. Is SNL less creative when they make fun of the presidential candidates? I don't think so, and its routinely their most popular skits.  And you say

After all, when I asks people of their ideas most of the time they don't have one or it's very basic.

huh? Who are you asking and about what? Do you just ask random people about LBP ideas? Ideas for a novel? or what? Stick to what you are doing and don't become a creative citizen.

How bad smells? but i said it before LBP is a free world for pervos and idiots that have nothing else to do than making racist and sexual levels.MojondeVACA

Did you even read the article?

well that sucks

did they delete the god of war and sonic levels as well?

[QUOTE="WAIW"]

javy03;

 

"Controls was not a huge complaint in any of the reviews."

Go watch Gametrailers' review.

Javy03

I watched it and there were no big complaints about controls.  They complained slightly about the floaty jumps but then said that their choices were understandable and that the floaty jumps left plenty of room for error.  They also mentioned the three different plains can be dice but said that they understand their choices.  If you got poor controls from that review you are obviously looking for flaws.  Have you actually played the game?

lol, add me on PSN, I'm playing it right now...

They gave Gameplay a double-A score because of the controls -- seems like a moderately large complaint to me. I'm not looking for flaws -- I really wanted this game to work, as I love 2D platformers and it would be great to see them make a comeback on consoles -- but LBP just has some big problems in my opinion.

How bad smells? but i said it before LBP is a free world for pervos and idiots that have nothing else to do than making racist and sexual levels.MojondeVACA

The levels that were being deleted did not contain sexual or racial content.

I mean, half of the levels out there have something to do with another game. So whats gonna happen there. Plus how can an LBP level hurt sales for devs. I doubt someones going to play a level on this game rather than get the real thing.

NinjaMunkey01