Leaked (56 page) doc on future XBOX plans? Removed by MS lawyers

[QUOTE="MercenaryMafia"]

I won't believe anything until I see the official specs, but if true this does look promising.

1.) Microsoft just needs to drop the price of XBL significantly or make a subscription tier that caters to people that only want to play games. (possibly make it free to compete with Sony)

2.) Create new ip and continue to support XBLA

3.) Continue to make Halo

4.) Make sure their hardware will not fail and is affordable.

5.) Have the kinect 2 built into the next xbox.

6.) Have excellent Third party support

If most of these come true (especially #1 and 2) I will probably buy the next xbox first.

reach3

Anything is possible. I think they should at least include Kinect along side the next box when it releases.MercenaryMafia

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="GamingGod999"]I can't see this being $299.rilpas

Me too.

If it's a hardcore console, I would expect it to be over £300 ($470).

alright, I'm sure microsoft will listen to you and just bump up the console's price, there you go everyone's happy :)

Indeed! These guys want the same specs with a higher price. $300 is too casual :lol:

Its far to well done and long to be a fake. Its clearly some type of investor breifing. Now how true all that is, as it appears 2010 we don't know

Based off this it appears they are going for a multi-media box with gaming. Any price higher than 399.99 would be sucided for the set top box market.

If it is fake someone better give this guy a job, becuase he knows wth he is talking about, and just layed out an amazing business plan.

James161324

If this was real why is there no pics of the new Xbox in any of those panels on the left? Surely that would be there along with the 360 in their future plans no? they're bound to have a design made up by now for it

Yes, this is obviously fake as all hell, i'm quite surprised how people are taking this seriously.

Having an Arm CPU architecture, which is meant for handheld devices in a console, at 2 ghz no less, (Going backwards ftw?) would be an idea that'd be immediately shot down by anyone with a shred of sense over at MS. And I highly doubt it'll sport a Xenon CPU strictly for BC with the 360, that'd cost way too much money. Sony learned the hard way not to go overboard with features, and yet this thing could be priced at $300 with all this? Please.

As far as the Kaveri APU, that'd be amazing, but the CPU core's couldn't be Arm so... just another reason I don't get how you anyone could believe this. :/ Kaveri would be a low power using, low heat beast though. And with 4 Gb's of blazing fast ram shared, the next Xbox could be a beast if it had this set up. Just check out some video's of what the best Llano Apu can do, and just think Trinity Apu's aren't even out yet, but this could go even further with Kaveri. No one shouldn't be happy with a hardware set up like that.

[QUOTE="reach3"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

To make it more believable of course

Kinect already tracks 4 people BTW and there is no mention of smart glass

As for the 299$ price with Kinect 2, LOL

loosingENDS

That is easy

Custom 8000 based series (medium to high end part) GPU, DX11 etc

5-6 Core CPU, 3Ghz

2-4GB RAM

16MB EDRAM

and launch at 400$ without Kinect, like xbox 360

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="MercenaryMafia"]

I won't believe anything until I see the official specs, but if true this does look promising.

1.) Microsoft just needs to drop the price of XBL significantly or make a subscription tier that caters to people that only want to play games. (possibly make it free to compete with Sony)

2.) Create new ip and continue to support XBLA

3.) Continue to make Halo

4.) Make sure their hardware will not fail and is affordable.

5.) Have the kinect 2 built into the next xbox.

6.) Have excellent Third party support

If most of these come true (especially #1 and 2) I will probably buy the next xbox first.

MercenaryMafia

[QUOTE="MercenaryMafia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] kinect will never be built into the xbox. It would be horrible, everyone can't put their xbox in the perfect position kinect requires.JC_Spot

Agreed.

It would be a mistake to build Kinect in the console. It should be optional. Microsoft seriously need to make more core games for the sake of it. I don't want more Halos and Gears, that's enough, I want new IPs.

[QUOTE="MercenaryMafia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] kinect will never be built into the xbox. It would be horrible, everyone can't put their xbox in the perfect position kinect requires.JC_Spot

simple: go to PC gaming the true hardcore system

Wow people are still saying this is purely fake? This is prob. the best lead we have on the next box.

• 120 Watts is purely enough for the Kaveri APU and all the small other stuff like USB, eRAM, RAM, etc.
  
  
• Not all of those hardware parts will be activated at the same time. If you read, it clearly states that (Kaveri will be used for demanding stuff like games, the dual core ARM processor will be used for stuff like media entertainment at low power conumption cost, ie TV, movies, OS UI, etc., and the triple-core PowerPC SOI will be used for Xbox 360 games).
  
  
• Everything is divided up, everything will fall under the suggested 120 watt TDP. You fake claimers were expecting to play Xbox 720, Xbox 360, watch TV, and play with Kinect at the same time? Sure it would go over 120 watts if you did all that, BUT YOU AREN'T DOING THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
  
  
• Kinect V1 cost Microsoft about $48 to make. Porducation costs of that thing have gone down. Kinect is dirt cheap to make. A $299 price point is doable because Kinect V2 will be dirt cheap to make and the hardware is not high end at all. It shows that Microsoft will break even with the $299 price point. All $$$ comes from licenses and services.
  
  
• The Android and Microsoft thing prob. means if they are going to keep things exclusive to Windows Phone or also support Android.
  
  
• How the "h*ll" do you know it wasn't or is called the Xbox 720 in Microsoft land? It could be.
  
  

xbox ever selling 100m units? :lol:

The biggest hope I have for the next Xbox is Blu-ray. It cannot continue with DVD format, this generation already proved it.

It will add to the injury if it continues to use DVD. All games will be held back.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Yeah, sounds about right.

There's no way that Microsoft could release an inferior console that lasts for 10 years. They would have to beef it up to last that long.

This is why Sony charged us £425 for a PS3 at launch. It's a console that is supposed to last for 10 years. PS3 has about 3 more years to go, and it still has some fuel in its tank. The 360 already ran out and is ready for next-gen.

GamerwillzPS

Bluray was the reason for PS3 to be more expensive. Hardware wise its not any more advanced than 360.

Wrong. PS3 is more advanced than the 360.

I have some proof, have a look at them:-

Killzone 2 'can't work' on Xbox 360

Uncharted 2 'impossible' on Xbox 360

Heavy Rain 'not possible' on Xbox 360

God of War 3 is 'only possible' on PS3

PS3 is 'more powerful' than the Xbox 360, and has potential for longevity

The biggest hope I have for the next Xbox is Blu-ray. It cannot continue with DVD format, this generation already proved it.

It will add to the injury if it continues to use DVD. All games will be held back.

GamerwillzPS

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The biggest hope I have for the next Xbox is Blu-ray. It cannot continue with DVD format, this generation already proved it.

It will add to the injury if it continues to use DVD. All games will be held back.

Overlord93

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

I'm from New Zealand, most people here don't have, and can't afford internet plans with more than 20GB of bandwidth. They would eliminate an entire market by being download only.JC_Spot

Overlord93, read this.

This is the problem.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

The biggest hope I have for the next Xbox is Blu-ray. It cannot continue with DVD format, this generation already proved it.

It will add to the injury if it continues to use DVD. All games will be held back.

GamerwillzPS

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

No need for blu-ray.

None whatsoever.

It's a gimmick.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] What planet are you living on? This generation proved we don't need disks at all.

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

Overlord93

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

blu-ray isn't nearly as expensive as it once was though

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] What planet are you living on? This generation proved we don't need disks at all.

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

Overlord93

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] What planet are you living on? This generation proved we don't need disks at all.

Blu-ray was a nice idea, but it came too late. It's only use is in movies.

Overlord93

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

Then they will fail, and PlayStation users will suffer from 3rd party games being held back. Microsoft can't be dumb to use DVD next-gen, otherwise they will go bust.

Blu-ray is necessary now even for games. The PS3 proved this. Exclusives on PS3 are huge that the DVD is unable to hold. So stop being so delusional and actually spend an effort to think.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

I know that hard drive capacity are huge so that games can be stored in them digitally. But you've got to think about the quality of Internet connections people have. Today, there aren't many people who have access to over 30Mb connection.

Imagine having a crap connection and the console you own forces you to download ~20GB worth of data?

So it makes sense to use Blu-ray for now...

GamerwillzPS

Then they will fail, and PlayStation users will suffer from 3rd party games being held back. Microsoft can't be dumb to use DVD next-gen, otherwise they will go bust.

Blu-ray is necessary now even for games. The PS3 proved this. Exclusives on PS3 are huge that the DVD is unable to hold. So stop being so delusional and actually spend an effort to think.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] There is practically no chance of the nextbox having blu ray. MS wants the console to be relatively cheap, and they're not going to want to use technology that belongs to the competition. They'll find another way around it. Most likely having a larger hard drive and just having a secondary install disk. SOverlord93

Then they will fail, and PlayStation users will suffer from 3rd party games being held back. Microsoft can't be dumb to use DVD next-gen, otherwise they will go bust.

Blu-ray is necessary now even for games. The PS3 proved this. Exclusives on PS3 are huge that the DVD is unable to hold. So stop being so delusional and actually spend an effort to think.

PC games often come with multiple discs, fool. That doesn't matter because they have to be installed in the hard drive.

Consoles must have 1 disc to use.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Then they will fail, and PlayStation users will suffer from 3rd party games being held back. Microsoft can't be dumb to use DVD next-gen, otherwise they will go bust.

Blu-ray is necessary now even for games. The PS3 proved this. Exclusives on PS3 are huge that the DVD is unable to hold. So stop being so delusional and actually spend an effort to think.

GamerwillzPS

PC games often come with multiple discs, fool. That doesn't matter because they have to be installed in the hard drive.

Consoles must have 1 disc to use.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] Yet PC games still come on DVD There's only one person here who's delusional.Overlord93

PC games often come with multiple discs, fool. That doesn't matter because they have to be installed in the hard drive.

Consoles must have 1 disc to use.

Huh? You were talking about PC games...

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]Did you not read my post?GamerwillzPS

Huh? You were talking about PC games...

They'll find another way around it. Most likely having a larger hard drive and just having a secondary install disk. Overlord93

Same way PC does it. Downloads and installs

• Not all of those hardware parts will be activated at the same time. If you read, it clearly states that (Kaveri will be used for demanding stuff like games, the dual core ARM processor will be used for stuff like media entertainment at low power conumption cost, ie TV, movies, OS UI, etc., and the triple-core PowerPC SOI will be used for Xbox 360 games).
  
  

ShadowDeathX

If this is true, that'd be pretty awesome and actually makes perfect sense for what MS is trying to do with Xbox. I thought this rumor listed an arm cpu combined with the 7xxx series gpu used in Kaveri to make a completely different APU which is just stupid, which is why I thought it was the most ridiculous set up i'd ever heard of.

But now, now it's starting to make perfect sense. I didn't read it that fully because i'm dead tired of rumors about anything. Wow, this could be one bad ass set up if true.

You are also forgetting that Microsoft is making the Xbox, an all in one entertainment machine. What kind of idiot would they be ignoring a popular physical media for movies? The next Xbox will have a Blu-ray disc reader. And no Sony doesn't control Blu-Ray. They are ONLY 1 out of the 19!!!!! board members on the Blu-Ray association. Who was the first company to release Blu-Ray? Not Sony. Samsung DID!! I don't get why people Sony = Blu-Ray. Yes they made it popular, but they don't control it!ShadowDeathX

They have to use Blu-ray. There is no other choices. I'm 100% expecting Microsoft to use Blu-ray next-gen.

I'd laugh my ass out if they use DVD. The Xbox brand could go out of business.

I think digital distribution will arrive on consoles in 2 more generations ahead when majority of households have decent Internet connection.

One thing I will say is that, if these specs are true a 10 year life cycle with no new consoles... you think the difference between PC and console hardware is big now, it'll be more than twice as big by the end of the generation, and it won't happen.

One thing I will say is that, if these specs are true a 10 year life cycle with no new consoles... you think the difference between PC and console hardware is big now, it'll be more than twice as big by the end of the generation, and it won't happen.

theuncharted34

Wow people are still saying this is purely fake? This is prob. the best lead we have on the next box.

• 120 Watts is purely enough for the Kaveri APU and all the small other stuff like USB, eRAM, RAM, etc.
  
  
• Not all of those hardware parts will be activated at the same time. If you read, it clearly states that (Kaveri will be used for demanding stuff like games, the dual core ARM processor will be used for stuff like media entertainment at low power conumption cost, ie TV, movies, OS UI, etc., and the triple-core PowerPC SOI will be used for Xbox 360 games).
  
  
• Everything is divided up, everything will fall under the suggested 120 watt TDP. You fake claimers were expecting to play Xbox 720, Xbox 360, watch TV, and play with Kinect at the same time? Sure it would go over 120 watts if you did all that, BUT YOU AREN'T DOING THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
  
  
• Kinect V1 cost Microsoft about $48 to make. Porducation costs of that thing have gone down. Kinect is dirt cheap to make. A $299 price point is doable because Kinect V2 will be dirt cheap to make and the hardware is not high end at all. It shows that Microsoft will break even with the $299 price point. All $$$ comes from licenses and services.
  
  
• The Android and Microsoft thing prob. means if they are going to keep things exclusive to Windows Phone or also support Android.
  
  
• How the "h*ll" do you know it wasn't or is called the Xbox 720 in Microsoft land? It could be.
  
  

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

It actually looks legit some of it may be right.

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Wow people are still saying this is purely fake? This is prob. the best lead we have on the next box.

• 120 Watts is purely enough for the Kaveri APU and all the small other stuff like USB, eRAM, RAM, etc.
  
  
• Not all of those hardware parts will be activated at the same time. If you read, it clearly states that (Kaveri will be used for demanding stuff like games, the dual core ARM processor will be used for stuff like media entertainment at low power conumption cost, ie TV, movies, OS UI, etc., and the triple-core PowerPC SOI will be used for Xbox 360 games).
  
  
• Everything is divided up, everything will fall under the suggested 120 watt TDP. You fake claimers were expecting to play Xbox 720, Xbox 360, watch TV, and play with Kinect at the same time? Sure it would go over 120 watts if you did all that, BUT YOU AREN'T DOING THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
  
  
• Kinect V1 cost Microsoft about $48 to make. Porducation costs of that thing have gone down. Kinect is dirt cheap to make. A $299 price point is doable because Kinect V2 will be dirt cheap to make and the hardware is not high end at all. It shows that Microsoft will break even with the $299 price point. All $$$ comes from licenses and services.
  
  
• The Android and Microsoft thing prob. means if they are going to keep things exclusive to Windows Phone or also support Android.
  
  
• How the "h*ll" do you know it wasn't or is called the Xbox 720 in Microsoft land? It could be.
  
  

famicommander

I think ShadowDeathX did jump to the conclusion a bit too quick. He's saying that all of that stuff is REAL. Not really, I would wait for Microsoft to announce something about it.

Sources from 3rd parties are not always correct. 1st party source (Microsoft) is what we want to hear.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

Huh? You were talking about PC games...

Overlord93

They'll find another way around it. Most likely having a larger hard drive and just having a secondary install disk. Overlord93

Same way PC does it. Downloads and installs

Okay, that could do the job, but what is the point of that? Why not just use Blu-ray?

4 GB memory and 2 multi-core CPU's? I call bogus. The bus speed woudn't handle the CPU bandwidth and you don't need a big OS for a game console so 4GB RAM is not needed either. ScreamDream

Of course it does! RAM is a vital piece of component for games! The PS3 and 360 has been struggling to cope with their 512MB of memory.

Okay, that could do the job, but what is the point of that? Why not just use Blu-ray?GamerwillzPS

[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]4 GB memory and 2 multi-core CPU's? I call bogus. The bus speed woudn't handle the CPU bandwidth and you don't need a big OS for a game console so 4GB RAM is not needed either. GamerwillzPS

Of course it does! RAM is a vital piece of component for games! The PS3 and 360 has been struggling to cope with their 512MB of memory.

Blu-Ray is slower, proprietary and more expensive than DVD9, not to mention much lower adoption.

It's a gimmick.

Sony almost tanked because of Blu-Ray, because they spent money on a gimmick rather than proper hardware, that's why almost none of their games have AA.

MS spent money on an AA chip and upscaler, Sony spent money on Blu-Ray.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]Okay, that could do the job, but what is the point of that? Why not just use Blu-ray?Overlord93

Blu-ray now is cheaper than it was in 2006, and the speed have gone faster. The PS3 has 2x of drive speed which is the lowest, and is one of PS3's disadvantages. 12x is the fastest available now. PS4 and Xbox 720 (or whatever the name they are calling it) are expected to use 12x Blu-ray.

Blu-Ray is slower, proprietary and more expensive than DVD9, not to mention much lower adoption.

It's a gimmick.

Sony almost tanked because of Blu-Ray, because they spent money on a gimmick rather than proper hardware, that's why almost none of their games have AA.

MS spent money on an AA chip and upscaler, Sony spent money on Blu-Ray.

ZombieKiller7

Blu-ray is a gimmick? :shock:

Do some research and find out what made the PS3 so successful in terms of games, and then come back. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

*Edit* Again, you don't know what you are talking about with AA. Look at PS3 exclusives. The AA is functioning great in them. Even in multiplats, PS3 does the job.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Blu-Ray is slower, proprietary and more expensive than DVD9, not to mention much lower adoption.

It's a gimmick.

Sony almost tanked because of Blu-Ray, because they spent money on a gimmick rather than proper hardware, that's why almost none of their games have AA.

MS spent money on an AA chip and upscaler, Sony spent money on Blu-Ray.

GamerwillzPS

Blu-ray is a gimmick? :shock:

Do some research and find out what made the PS3 so successful in terms of games, and then come back. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

PS3 is successful?