L:eft 4 Dead on Xbox 360, Why?

[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="Noverech"]

like these guys are saying you can easily hook up your PC to your big ass TV

hell you can even hook up your xbox controller to your nice ass PC..have no idea in hell why you would though, no matter how talented you are with a controller someone with half that talent could kill you using a mouse/keyboard

playing with friends makes sense..most of my friends play xbox live as much as i love my friends, it doesn't justify spending however much an xbox is nowadays..

consoles are sort of like fads that dont die. every generation the PC is miles ahead of them. the problem is nobody wants to break the mold and will instantly buy their preferred console as soon as it comes out(maybe even all of them), instead of being rational about their purchases. They also will support their little love children to death. You guys need to wake up and realize that every console this generation is essentially a dwarfed PC in fancy packaging. (minus the Wii)

Noverech

A fad that doesn't die isn't a fad. Market logic sure is fun. My PC is about 30 feet away from my gaming setup so you can rule that one out unless you plan on telling me I should run the game off my crap laptop. I can't hook up a 360 controller to my PC, I've already tried. Since it's an Apple machine that has Windows running, there are some quirks to be ironed out. I have an older version of Bootcamp, I hear the newer one does solve that issue.

Honestly, if I go through the pain of getting a long enough wire to hook it up to the tv, updating my Bootcamp and reinstalling Windows on a machine that is primarily for work (and some play, not going to lie), install the drivers for the controller, go through all this just to make it feel like I'm playing on the 360 when the most important aspect of it all, my friends, are absent, seems bogus to me. It may not justify for you, and I can understand that. You have different wants than me as a gamer. But for me, gaming is an abundance. I have options, and despite the PC version being "superior", I still chose 360 because the end result will be greater enjoyment and more ease for me to play. That's more of a priority for me than getting the absolute most out of the game.

You should stop looking at it as a comparison in terms of performance. While they may be technologically inferior, consoles have a lot to offer over PC, especially for me. I like to plug in and play. I also like to keep my work and play machines separate. I'd rather not risk my $8,000 workstation which my job relies on, just so I can download a mod for a video game. Consoles also have some pretty sweet exclusives. Although I've invested thousands into gaming hardware and software and am interested in the business side of it, when it comes to playing, I guess you can consider me a casual player. I like to play for recreational purposes, not to be the most l33t kid around. ;)

it is entirely your fault you chose to buy a console rather then a PC this generation

oh yeah PC doenst have exculsives..

By the way, your comment is completely irrelevant. Way to deviate from the discussion. Maybe you should take a debate class or study law instead of investing all your time into mods and uber PC's.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Noverech"]

 

I'd take a blizzard game over a JRPG anyday...

maybe i wouldnt when they were good, i remember squaresoft before they were square enix making some epic games, now its just trash..

animes belong in japan

Noverech

gears is also superior on the PC then the xbox..and personally i dont like jrpgs anymore...

i grew up

depends but for the most part...

better

 Again with the contradictions! Do you ever stop man?!

DragonfireXZ95

I'm not sure how it's a contradiction. The desktop has a nice graphics card, large amounts of ram, and a powerful CPU. I'll look at the actual specs when I go home for Thanksgiving and post it in my sig.

It's just infested with bloatware and tons of viruses. This is in addition to having a rather large amount of pictures, videos, work files and other miscellaneous crap the accumlates when a family shares one PC.

The computer had no problem running any of the games I played on it, but then again it was handful of RTS (Age of Mythology especially) when it wanted to, it just would crash sporadically during the game, forcing me to redo missions repeatedly. Very annoying - hence I didn't game on it as much.

I'm not sure how good it could run a modern game, being that by the point PC games outside of RTS's began to entice me, I was packing up for college.

[QUOTE="Noverech"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

 

A fad that doesn't die isn't a fad. Market logic sure is fun. My PC is about 30 feet away from my gaming setup so you can rule that one out unless you plan on telling me I should run the game off my crap laptop. I can't hook up a 360 controller to my PC, I've already tried. Since it's an Apple machine that has Windows running, there are some quirks to be ironed out. I have an older version of Bootcamp, I hear the newer one does solve that issue.

Honestly, if I go through the pain of getting a long enough wire to hook it up to the tv, updating my Bootcamp and reinstalling Windows on a machine that is primarily for work (and some play, not going to lie), install the drivers for the controller, go through all this just to make it feel like I'm playing on the 360 when the most important aspect of it all, my friends, are absent, seems bogus to me. It may not justify for you, and I can understand that. You have different wants than me as a gamer. But for me, gaming is an abundance. I have options, and despite the PC version being "superior", I still chose 360 because the end result will be greater enjoyment and more ease for me to play. That's more of a priority for me than getting the absolute most out of the game.

You should stop looking at it as a comparison in terms of performance. While they may be technologically inferior, consoles have a lot to offer over PC, especially for me. I like to plug in and play. I also like to keep my work and play machines separate. I'd rather not risk my $8,000 workstation which my job relies on, just so I can download a mod for a video game. Consoles also have some pretty sweet exclusives. Although I've invested thousands into gaming hardware and software and am interested in the business side of it, when it comes to playing, I guess you can consider me a casual player. I like to play for recreational purposes, not to be the most l33t kid around. ;)

DonPerian

it is entirely your fault you chose to buy a console rather then a PC this generation

oh yeah PC doenst have exculsives..

By the way, your comment is completely irrelevant. Way to deviate from the discussion. Maybe you should take a debate class or study law instead of investing all your time into mods and uber PC's.

yes i have something to say...its your fault for buying an apple. apple is not PC sorry. end of discussion

[QUOTE="Noverech"][QUOTE="vashkey"] Yup and thats what you do when you don't actually have a legit argument. But if you're a PC gamer, it's no wonder you havent played any decent jrpgs. The PC is mainly for MMO RPGs, FPS and RTS. For any other genre, you'd be best foing to consoles for.DragonfireXZ95

gears is also superior on the PC then the xbox..and personally i dont like jrpgs anymore...

i grew up

I pretty much grew out of JRPG's also. It's probably because I played WRPG's which are much more open and are more enjoyable experiences, and that's where the PC shines, WRPG's.

Then again, thats hermits for you.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"] You didn't answer my question. Will it have the game series I follow from those three respective consoles on it? I am big fan of the following series, Mario, Narutimate, and maybe Dead Rising? If a PC can have all that, then maybe I switch to a PC sololy.ArisShadows

I'd take a blizzard game over a JRPG anyday...

maybe i wouldnt when they were good, i remember squaresoft before they were square enix making some epic games, now its just trash..

animes belong in japan

gears is also superior on the PC then the xbox..and personally i dont like jrpgs anymore...

i grew up

i didn't exactly mean it like that even though reading it now it does sound bad.  i just meant that i grew out of them.  I guess people can still like them, just not my thing, kinda like how most of japan isnt my thing anymore. but it once was!

yes i have something to say...its your fault for buying an apple. apple is not PC sorry. end of discussion

Noverech

Hahaha, you don't know much about computers, do you? When running Windows on my machine, I put any specs you've seen on these forms to shame. The same hardware that's in your PC is inside my Mac. Different casing and an extra OS is a plus, I guess. I tried to be logical with you and explain how one platform can't possibly be superior than the next, but you're too stubborn to even stay on topic and just blurt out one liners that don't contribute to the discussion at all. I'm through with you. I'll enjoy playing whatever game I like, on whatever platform I like. You know what, I'm going to buy L4D for my PC, and although I won't have any mods on it, I'll take pleasure in knowing that I can run the game far better than you ever will. And while running it on one screen, I can work on the others.

I have the means to play whatever I want, so don't try and pin me for coming up short on anything. I'm through trying to make you understand.

[QUOTE="Noverech"]

yes i have something to say...its your fault for buying an apple. apple is not PC sorry. end of discussion

DonPerian

Hahaha, you don't know much about computers, do you? When running Windows on my machine, I put any specs you've seen on these forms to shame. The same hardware that's in your PC is inside my Mac. Different casing and an extra OS is a plus, I guess. I tried to be logical with you and explain how one platform can't possibly be superior than the next, but you're too stubborn to even stay on topic and just blurt out one liners that don't contribute to the discussion at all. I'm through with you. I'll enjoy playing whatever game I like, on whatever platform I like. You know what, I'm going to buy L4D for my PC, and although I won't have any mods on it, I'll take pleasure in knowing that I can run the game far better than you ever will. And while running it on one screen, I can work on the others.

I have the means to play whatever I want, so don't try and pin me for coming up short on anything. I'm through trying to make you understand.

didnt know you had a MS OS as well..must have missed that...and im very depressed now that you can run L4D better then me :(

edit: after taking another look at your PC i find greater comfort in knowing how much you wasted your money hahaha...lemme guess you got that setup solely for crysis and now you beleive its the best game evar?  too bad i payed 1/10th the amount you did

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] From your gamer tag it looks like you're a bigger fan of Gears of War, Left 4 Dead, Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Orange Box and Halo. All of which except for Halo and Gears 2, are on PC. GTA 4 comes out for PC in a week. Did you just list those games because you know they aren't on PC? It kind of seems that way...DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="Noverech"]

yes i have something to say...its your fault for buying an apple. apple is not PC sorry. end of discussion

DonPerian

Hahaha, you don't know much about computers, do you? When running Windows on my machine, I put any specs you've seen on these forms to shame. The same hardware that's in your PC is inside my Mac. Different casing and an extra OS is a plus, I guess. I tried to be logical with you and explain how one platform can't possibly be superior than the next, but you're too stubborn to even stay on topic and just blurt out one liners that don't contribute to the discussion at all. I'm through with you. I'll enjoy playing whatever game I like, on whatever platform I like. You know what, I'm going to buy L4D for my PC, and although I won't have any mods on it, I'll take pleasure in knowing that I can run the game far better than you ever will. And while running it on one screen, I can work on the others.

I have the means to play whatever I want, so don't try and pin me for coming up short on anything. I'm through trying to make you understand.

And plenty of people have the new cards: 260/280 GTX's and 4870/X2's.

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

I'm pretty positive that gaming wise, 2 8800 GT's don't compare to the new Nvidia/ATI cards out...

And plenty of people have the new cards: 260/280 GTX's and 4870/X2's.

DragonfireXZ95

 

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

shawn7324

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I'm pretty positive that gaming wise, 2 8800 GT's don't compare to the new Nvidia/ATI cards out...

And plenty of people have the new cards: 260/280 GTX's and 4870/X2's.

DonPerian

edit: after taking another look at your PC i find greater comfort in knowing how much you wasted your money hahaha...lemme guess you got that setup solely for crysis and now you beleive its the best game evar? too bad i payed 1/10th the amount you did

Noverech

You've made valid points that are irrefutable as to why you prefer console gaming to PC gaming. And in every case, preference is everything.DragonfireXZ95

Agreed. :) And in a last ditch effort to bring this back to topic, let's all enjoy Left 4 Dead, regardless of platform. It's a fun game and I just got done with a pretty hefty marathon playing with my friends. Very, very addictive. I also find the claims in reviews about the game only taking 2 hours to complete to be... completely off. Me and my friends just beat the first campaign on Expert and it's already been 7 hours. Maybe we just suck. haha

[QUOTE="Noverech"]

edit: after taking another look at your PC i find greater comfort in knowing how much you wasted your money hahaha...lemme guess you got that setup solely for crysis and now you beleive its the best game evar? too bad i payed 1/10th the amount you did

 

DonPerian

You've made valid points that are irrefutable as to why you prefer console gaming to PC gaming. And in every case, preference is everything.DragonfireXZ95

Agreed. :) And in a last ditch effort to bring this back to topic, let's all enjoy Left 4 Dead, regardless of platform. It's a fun game and I just got done with a pretty hefty marathon playing with my friends.

ok i believe you

 

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

shawn7324

I'm unaware how innocent preference can render someone as being some how less intelligent... I suppose any professional that touches a Wii is in for it. ;)

Anyway, I'd gladly choose blissful ignorance than having to play a game with anyone that can't respect the value of another's opinion.

Edit: But that's not an invitation for more debate!

[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

 

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

DragonfireXZ95

 

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

shawn7324

I agree with everything you said, but i'm not trying to say PC is superior just because of better visuals, its about the endless community out there and the amount of content you can get from this community but back to the topic...

i love Left 4 Dead

[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

 

Basically what they are saying is you are young & dumb, thats why we all have consoles.  Maybe when I turn 30 I will realize how right they were to call myself & everyone else lazy if you don't want to take the time to hook up a PC to your TV, controller to your PC, & upgrade your PC.  How hard is it for you all to understand that the PC is holy, it gets all the good games.  You may have to wait months after they release on the consoles, but you will be playing the game on a dominant technology to which the game will be way more fun to play.  The experiences you have had with your family on your gaming consoles were a joke & you are to blame for being ignorant & not putting your family & friends in the true gaming setting.  Those times could have been so much better on a PC & that time is gone now, wasted away.  They seek only now to make sure that in the future you can find the strength & courage to break away from your hollow shell you call a brain, grow up & proceed into the light of pure gaming excellence via the PC.

Noverech

I agree with everything you said, but i'm not trying to say PC is superior just because of better visuals, its about the endless community out there and the amount of content you can get from this community but back to the topic...

i love Left 4 Dead

I can agree with that. L4D gets the < 3

It's going to be Left 4 Dead by Valve, just like TF2 (on 360) they'll promise the updates, but it won't happen.

 So everyone who bought the 360 version, why?

Lol, I own a high-end PC and an Xbox 360. The PC graphics are miles better. And I mean, MILES, better than the console version. L4D on the PC, on max settings is gorgeous. On the 360, everything is all blurry and jaggy.. I couldn't even make out some of the stuff.. it's pretty sad. I expected better than that.Elann2008

It's going to be Left 4 Dead by Valve, just like TF2 (on 360) they'll promise the updates, but it won't happen.

 So everyone who bought the 360 version, why?

Englandfc1966

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Better graphics.Elann2008

[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]

It's going to be Left 4 Dead by Valve, just like TF2 (on 360) they'll promise the updates, but it won't happen.

 So everyone who bought the 360 version, why?

sebbi11

Although I prefer the PC, I love the 360 and most of my friends game on it. The 360 wins. And given the way hermits act here, it's no wonder that people who post here would rather play on live or PSN. Most of the hermits that post on system wars give PC users a bad name.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"] better graphics on 360? really?sebbi11

I'm guessing it was sacraficed due to the zombie pawn count, a.i. (director and whatnot) and a high framerate.

Really though, its not much of a surprise, a 360s hardware is dated - never the less the game still plays great on the 360, and is a blast to play with friends.

Which is why its still a great game on a console - its the type of game you buy, depending on what systems your friends are going to buy it on.

Of course you can debate that the PC version is the better one, but that does not mean you are going to have less fun playing on your 360 with mates....

For me the PC version is superior in graphics and controls. However, I bought the 360 version because of the live community. I just have more friends who I know personally on Live, and this is a game best played cooperatively. I'll probably pick up the PC version when Steam has some sort of sweet package deal with it.

because they cant get the PC version.cobrax75

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]

It's going to be Left 4 Dead by Valve, just like TF2 (on 360) they'll promise the updates, but it won't happen.

 So everyone who bought the 360 version, why?

Mckenna1845

To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and M&K for me just isn't fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.VirtuaCast

Mouse aiming =/= pointing in clicking.
The mouse moves on an axes, as does a joystick and thumbstick does, in a 3D enviroment, to a static crosshair in the center of the screen.
It is not a mobile cursor in a 2D enviroment.

:roll:

A thumbstick operates exactly the same, only its by turning ratios rather than hand movment, and as a result its less accurate and fluid / natural.

You think this 'statement' would have died out already, considering its been proven wrong how many times.

Its just as bad argument as someone saying 'playing on a gamepad isnt fun and its too easy, because the autio aim does all the aiming for me' 

....

[QUOTE="zaku101"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

 

 

the PC version has splitscreen....and a map editor.

cobrax75

Is everyone required to have the game just to play splitscreen?

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and M&K for me just isn't fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.skrat_01

Mouse aiming =/= pointing in clicking.
The mouse moves on an axes, as does a joystick and thumbstick does, in a 3D enviroment, to a static crosshair in the center of the screen.
It is not a mobile cursor in a 2D enviroment.

:roll:

A thumbstick operates exactly the same, only its by turning ratios rather than hand movment, and as a result its less accurate and fluid / natural.

You think this 'statement' would have died out already, considering its been proven wrong how many times.

Its just as bad argument as someone saying 'playing on a gamepad isnt fun and its too easy, because the autio aim does all the aiming for me'

....

I have a gaming PC and I play MMO's RTS all the time, I sit at my desk and have a blast. I also have a console hooked up to my HDTV where I would rather play FPS, fighters, sports, and platformers again just preference and convenience. I don't know why I need to explain my self?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and M&K for me just isn't fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.VirtuaCast

Mouse aiming =/= pointing in clicking.
The mouse moves on an axes, as does a joystick and thumbstick does, in a 3D enviroment, to a static crosshair in the center of the screen.
It is not a mobile cursor in a 2D enviroment.

:roll:

A thumbstick operates exactly the same, only its by turning ratios rather than hand movment, and as a result its less accurate and fluid / natural.

You think this 'statement' would have died out already, considering its been proven wrong how many times.

Its just as bad argument as someone saying 'playing on a gamepad isnt fun and its too easy, because the autio aim does all the aiming for me'

....

I have a gaming PC and I play MMO's RTS all the time, I sit at my desk and have a blast. I also have a console hooked up to my HDTV where I would rather play FPS, fighters, sports, and platformers again just preference and convenience. I don't know why I need to explain my self?

When you make a bogus statement that playing a shooter with a mouse is akin to 'pointing and clicking' and facts show otherwise, then somone is going to reply....Just the same as someone saying console shooters is just letting the autoaim do the work.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Again.:|

Mouse aiming =/= pointing in clicking.
The mouse moves on an axes, as does a joystick and thumbstick does, in a 3D enviroment, to a static crosshair in the center of the screen.
It is not a mobile cursor in a 2D enviroment.

:roll:

A thumbstick operates exactly the same, only its by turning ratios rather than hand movment, and as a result its less accurate and fluid / natural.

You think this 'statement' would have died out already, considering its been proven wrong how many times.

Its just as bad argument as someone saying 'playing on a gamepad isnt fun and its too easy, because the autio aim does all the aiming for me'

....

skrat_01

I have a gaming PC and I play MMO's RTS all the time, I sit at my desk and have a blast. I also have a console hooked up to my HDTV where I would rather play FPS, fighters, sports, and platformers again just preference and convenience. I don't know why I need to explain my self?

When you make a bogus statement that playing a shooter with a mouse is akin to 'pointing and clicking' and facts show otherwise, then somone is going to reply....Just the same as someone saying console shooters is just letting the autoaim do the work.

Omg there is little to no difference in the mechanics of pointing and clicking to dragging and clicking, you're trying to make mountain out of a mole hill with nitpicking about X an Y axis, 2D, 3D. My response wasn't factual because it wasn't supposed to be, I was comparing the similarities between pointing and clicking We know it's not 100% exactly the same, nothings is 100% But it's way to close for my tastes.

I have little to no satisfaction playing a fps with a M&K because of the absurdly too accurate boring ease of the game mechanic of dragging and clicking (call it what you want). Even with auto aim most people could pick up mouse and master it quite easly, the same can't said the same about controller even with auto aim.

Easer isn't always better in sports and competition. There are rules to make things competitive. In work place environment I want a tool that is quick and extremely precise/accurate, but not in a competitive arena I don't. The NBA for example If the basket ball rim was 7 feet off of the ground sure it would be easeir and more people would be able to slam dunk but it sure would be less exciting and less satisficing to preform against your opponent. To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and for me it's not fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.

The only thing that ticks me off about this game is the morons that don't seem to realize that you must use teamwork to get through it. I am so tired of rescuing team mates only to get left behind and killed when I need help...AlphaGamer469

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="zaku101"]

 

Is everyone required to have the game just to play splitscreen?

Jamex1987

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Better graphics.Jamex1987

Left 4 dead is not Crysis. You don't need a 700+ computer to run it at max settings.