L:eft 4 Dead on Xbox 360, Why?

Because my PC can't handle L4D.Mr_Cumberdale

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

i hope they deliver updates. im so pissed at myself for buying this game for $60.00. me and a couple of my friends beat it in about 3 hours.

and replaying it has already gotten very boring, and its not even a week old.

Omg there is little to no difference in the mechanics of pointing and clicking to dragging and clicking, you're trying to make mountain out of a mole hill with nitpicking about X an Y axis, 2D, 3D. My response wasn't factual because it wasn't supposed to be, I was comparing the similarities between pointing and clicking We know it's not 100% exactly the same, nothings is 100% But it's way to close for my tastes.

I have little to no satisfaction playing a fps with a M&K because of the absurdly too accurate boring ease of the game mechanic of dragging and clicking (call it what you want). Even with auto aim most people could pick up mouse and master it quite easly, the same can't said the same about controller even with auto aim.

Easer isn't always better in sports and competition. There are rules to make things competitive. In work place environment I want a tool that is quick and extremely precise/accurate, but not in a competitive arena I don't. The NBA for example If the basket ball rim was 7 feet off of the ground sure it would be easeir and more people would be able to slam dunk but it sure would be less exciting and less satisficing to preform against your opponent. To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and for me it's not fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.

VirtuaCast

There is a massive difference between using a mobile cursor on a 2D desktop, to a fix center cross-hair in a 3D space.

As I said with all that jargon, there is a massive difference.

Of course if a control was the best control method - even with loads of auto aim added in to make up for the in-precise and awkward control nature of a thumb-stick, im sure all PC gamers - let alone 'pro gamers' would have taken too them. They haven't. Go figure.

On the topic of L4D - meh, you can use a controller with the PC version anyway, and it doesn't feel nearly as fluid, natural or precise - it just makes the experience more frustrating due to the limitations of the thumb-stick.

Go figure.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

Omg there is little to no difference in the mechanics of pointing and clicking to dragging and clicking, you're trying to make mountain out of a mole hill with nitpicking about X an Y axis, 2D, 3D. My response wasn't factual because it wasn't supposed to be, I was comparing the similarities between pointing and clicking We know it's not 100% exactly the same, nothings is 100% But it's way to close for my tastes.

I have little to no satisfaction playing a fps with a M&K because of the absurdly too accurate boring ease of the game mechanic of dragging and clicking (call it what you want). Even with auto aim most people could pick up mouse and master it quite easly, the same can't said the same about controller even with auto aim.

Easer isn't always better in sports and competition. There are rules to make things competitive. In work place environment I want a tool that is quick and extremely precise/accurate, but not in a competitive arena I don't. The NBA for example If the basket ball rim was 7 feet off of the ground sure it would be easeir and more people would be able to slam dunk but it sure would be less exciting and less satisficing to preform against your opponent. To each their own it's all just preference, it's how I feel, and for me it's not fun and way too similar to just pointing and clicking.

skrat_01

There is a massive difference between using a mobile cursor on a 2D desktop, to a fix center cross-hair in a 3D space.

As I said with all that jargon, there is a massive difference.

Of course if a control was the best control method - even with loads of auto aim added in to make up for the in-precise and awkward control nature of a thumb-stick, im sure allPC gamers - let alone 'pro gamers' would have taken too them. They haven't. Go figure.

On the topic of L4D - meh, you can use a controller with the PC version anyway, and it doesn't feel nearly as fluid, natural or precise - it just makes the experience more frustrating due to the limitations of the thumb-stick.

Go figure.

The human game mechanics with a mouse is pointing and clicking. You move the mouse which moves axes of a static crosshair (dragging the static crosshair) you then aim (point) and fire(click). With a controller you move you thumbs and pull triggers, it's all just what you prefer. Did we really need to bumb this back up? There are also pro gamers which use controllers and compete in competitions. I have stated the mouse is more accurate. Again it's all just preference.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Because my PC can't handle L4D.lawlessx

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]

It's going to be Left 4 Dead by Valve, just like TF2 (on 360) they'll promise the updates, but it won't happen.

 So everyone who bought the 360 version, why?

anshul89

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Because my PC can't handle L4D.XaosII

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

 

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

Boostinsane

/facepalm

If you can afford a 360 or a PS3 you can very easily afford to upgrade your PC and play L4D at very high settings for the same investment of money.

You choose not to upgrade your PC because you don't want to, not because you can't afford it. You chose to get a 360 or a PS3 instead.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"] If you can afford a current generation console you can afford to play Left4Dead. The price excuse, isnt a very good one.XaosII

/facepalm

If you can afford a 360 or a PS3 you can very easily afford to upgrade your PC and play L4D at very high settings for the same investment of money.

You choose not to upgrade your PC because you don't want to, not because you can't afford it. You chose to get a 360 or a PS3 instead.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"] to get it running at max settings? i can't even get gamespot to run at max settings on my PC, how the hell am i going to get L4D to play on this thing? do i really want to dish out a crap more of money just to buy a new PC just to play 1 game? um, no.Boostinsane

/facepalm

If you can afford a 360 or a PS3 you can very easily afford to upgrade your PC and play L4D at very high settings for the same investment of money.

You choose not to upgrade your PC because you don't want to, not because you can't afford it. You chose to get a 360 or a PS3 instead.

Then that means you couldn't have afforded a PS3 or a 360 in the first place making my first point still stand:  "If you can afford a current generation console you can afford to play Left4Dead. The price excuse, isnt a very good one."

Your circumstances as a hand-me-down are extraordinary.

because they cant get the PC version.cobrax75

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

 

/facepalm

If you can afford a 360 or a PS3 you can very easily afford to upgrade your PC and play L4D at very high settings for the same investment of money.

You choose not to upgrade your PC because you don't want to, not because you can't afford it. You chose to get a 360 or a PS3 instead.

XaosII

Then that means you couldn't have afforded a PS3 or a 360 in the first place making my first point still stand:  "If you can afford a current generation console you can afford to play Left4Dead. The price excuse, isnt a very good one."

Your circumstances as a hand-me-down are extraordinary.

I don't play games as much as I used to. A 360 is an economical means for us casuals to play IP's unique to the console and the occasional PC game that my crumbling computer won't be able to handle.

The game is awesome on both PC and 360 imo.

Only difference is PC has user made level/mods,etc... and can ahve better graphics and sound depending on your cards. (also controllers or mouse n keyboard.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Because my PC can't handle L4D.XaosII

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

Many people can afford to upgrade their PC, however perhaps they don't feel it practical for various reasons. Personally I use my PC for writing music and work and it sits in the study. I don't want my PC in the lounge (my girlfriend wouldn't be overly happy) and really don't want to be stuck in the study for gaming (not enough room for 2/3 people to play for a start).

i have money to afford a 360, but i won't because a) i already have one b) it's not a necessity to me (money better spent on food and other things) c) money is really tight right now so your logic might be a little flawed...Boostinsane

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

 

seriously...you'd think PC fanboys would realize this by now.

some people just cant afford it

poptart

Many people can afford to upgrade their PC, however perhaps they don't feel it practical for various reasons. Personally I use my PC for writing music and work and it sits in the study. I don't want my PC in the lounge (my girlfriend wouldn't be overly happy) and really don't want to be stuck in the study for gaming (not enough room for 2/3 people to play for a start).

If you can afford a current generation system you could have afford to upgrade your PC to play current games instead of buying a 360 or a PS3.

The circumstances of your social life are not the same circumstances as everyone else. Your issue isn't one of price. My post is directed only to people that use the price excuse.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]i have money to afford a 360, but i won't because a) i already have one b) it's not a necessity to me (money better spent on food and other things) c) money is really tight right now so your logic might be a little flawed...XaosII

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]i have money to afford a 360, but i won't because a) i already have one b) it's not a necessity to me (money better spent on food and other things) c) money is really tight right now so your logic might be a little flawed...Boostinsane

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

Assuming what you actually meant to say was "than what excuse does work," then how about a simply "Because i wanted to" or "Because i didn't want to."? Those wouldn't be excuses either. Those are reasons based on personal preferences.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

XaosII

Assuming what you actually meant to say was "than what excuse does work," then how about a simply "Because i wanted to" or "Because i didn't want to."? Those wouldn't be excuses either. Those are reasons based on personal preferences.

Yeah but if the guy prefers to eat isn't that preference? :P

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

 

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

XaosII

Assuming what you actually meant to say was "than what excuse does work," then how about a simply "Because i wanted to" or "Because i didn't want to."? Those wouldn't be excuses either. Those are reasons based on personal preferences.

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

Yeah but if the guy prefers to eat isn't that preference? :P

VirtuaCast

He just said he could have a fforded a 360 if he wanted to. If he needed that money for food, then he obviously couldn't have spent it on a 360 in the first place.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"]if the money excuse doesn't work, than work excuse does work? i bet you never thought of that.Boostinsane

Assuming what you actually meant to say was "than what excuse does work," then how about a simply "Because i wanted to" or "Because i didn't want to."? Those wouldn't be excuses either. Those are reasons based on personal preferences.

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

Your logic is the flawed logic here. So you can afford a 60 dollar game, but you can't afford a 50 dollar game? Makes no sense.

If your computer is the weak link and can't run it. Then you say, "I chose to buy a 360 instead of upgrading my PC, therefore I bought L4D on 360."

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

Yeah but if the guy prefers to eat isn't that preference? :P

XaosII

He just said he could have a fforded a 360 if he wanted to. If he needed that money for food, then he obviously couldn't have spent it on a 360 in the first place.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

 

Assuming what you actually meant to say was "than what excuse does work," then how about a simply "Because i wanted to" or "Because i didn't want to."? Those wouldn't be excuses either. Those are reasons based on personal preferences.

DragonfireXZ95

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

Your logic is the flawed logic here. So you can afford a 60 dollar game, but you can't afford a 50 dollar game? Makes no sense.

hypothetical situation redeemed. 

ok. now let's see your logic in action.

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

Boostinsane

/sigh

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]

ok. now let's see your logic in action.

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

XaosII

/sigh

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"] ok. now let's see your logic in action.

 

 

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

 

logic failed.

Boostinsane

Your logic is the flawed logic here. So you can afford a 60 dollar game, but you can't afford a 50 dollar game? Makes no sense.

hypothetical situation redeemed. 

Buying a 360 and then paying for live would already be 250 dollars towards a new PC. That money goes quite a long way.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"]

ok. now let's see your logic in action.

Person A: Why did you buy the 360 version of the game?

Person B: because i didn't want to buy the PC version.

Person A: why not?

Person B: because i couldn't afford it.

logic failed.

Boostinsane

/sigh

I think its pretty clear your mixing up the logic here because you are making two sepereate arguments count one. Wanting or not wanting means you CAN do so. Not affording it means you CAN't regardless of whether you want to or not. Being able to buy or willing to buy are two very, very different things.

No. They don't "collide so nicely" whatever that means. Theres no theory to this. Its called common sense.

It's like saying "I could never have afforded a car, thats why i don't drive one.... Oh, and ignore the helicopter in my backyard." Clearly, its not that he couldn't have afforded a car. Maybe he just prefers a helicopter. Maybe he can't afford both a helicopter and a car at the same time. But he could have easily chosen a car over a helicopter at the time of his purchase.

What you are telling me is this "I could not afford an upgrade to my PC for left4dead... But i am able to afford a $250+ purchase." Umm... What? You just told me you have the means to be able to upgrade your PC to play Left4dead.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Umm... Or Person B: Because I wanted the 360 version?

 

Your logic is the flawed logic here. So you can afford a 60 dollar game, but you can't afford a 50 dollar game? Makes no sense.

DragonfireXZ95

hypothetical situation redeemed.

Buying a 360 and then paying for live would already be 250 dollars towards a new PC. That money goes quite a long way.

The term has more meaning then to just spare somthing, it could also mean to be able to do something, he has the efficient funds perform the task of buying a 360. But he already owns one that was given to him, he has efficient funds (he can afford) to buy one but it would be better spent on food, same goes with any other hardware.

The term has more meaning then to just spare somthing, it could also mean to be able to do something, he has the efficient funds perform the task of buying a 360. But he already owns one that was given to him, he has efficient funds (he can afford) to buy one but it would be better spent on food, same goes with any other hardware.

VirtuaCast

If you can afford to buy more hardware, means you have enough to buy the hardware and you can still eat and be fufilled. When you have to spend the money on food, or bills, then you can't afford any other pleasantries, thus you can't afford to buy a 360 or other hardware.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

 

/sigh

I think its pretty clear your mixing up the logic here because you are making two sepereate arguments count one. Wanting or not wanting means you CAN do so. Not affording it means you CAN't regardless of whether you want to or not. Being able to buy or willing to buy are two very, very different things.XaosII

No. They don't "collide so nicely" whatever that means. Theres no theory to this. Its called common sense.

It's like saying "I could never have afforded a car, thats why i don't drive one.... Oh, and ignore the helicopter in my backyard." Clearly, its not that he couldn't have afforded a car. Maybe he just prefers a helicopter. Maybe he can't afford both a helicopter and a car at the same time. But he could have easily chosen a car over a helicopter at the time of his purchase.

What you are telling me is this "I could not afford an upgrade to my PC for left4dead... But i am able to afford a $250+ purchase." Umm... What? You just told me you have the means to be able to upgrade your PC to play Left4dead.

I bought a PS3 (300 bucks) in fall 2007

PS4 (300 bucks) comes out fall 2008

PS4 comes out without me knowing and i spent that money last year on a PS3.

i prefer a PS4 over a PS3 but i can't afford a PS4, but i am able to afford a PS3 for the exact same price.

game over.

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"] they're two different things yet they collide so nicely in action. theories don't always work out the way you want them to. the world is round and santa clause isn't real, no matter what zany philosophy we conjure up.Boostinsane

No. They don't "collide so nicely" whatever that means. Theres no theory to this. Its called common sense.

It's like saying "I could never have afforded a car, thats why i don't drive one.... Oh, and ignore the helicopter in my backyard." Clearly, its not that he couldn't have afforded a car. Maybe he just prefers a helicopter. Maybe he can't afford both a helicopter and a car at the same time. But he could have easily chosen a car over a helicopter at the time of his purchase.

What you are telling me is this "I could not afford an upgrade to my PC for left4dead... But i am able to afford a $250+ purchase." Umm... What? You just told me you have the means to be able to upgrade your PC to play Left4dead.

I bought a PS3 (300 bucks) in fall 2007

PS4 (300 bucks) comes out fall 2008

PS4 comes out without me knowing and i spent that money last year on a PS3.

i prefer a PS4 over a PS3 but i can't afford a PS4, but i am able to afford a PS3 for the exact same price.

game over.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

 

No. They don't "collide so nicely" whatever that means. Theres no theory to this. Its called common sense.

It's like saying "I could never have afforded a car, thats why i don't drive one.... Oh, and ignore the helicopter in my backyard." Clearly, its not that he couldn't have afforded a car. Maybe he just prefers a helicopter. Maybe he can't afford both a helicopter and a car at the same time. But he could have easily chosen a car over a helicopter at the time of his purchase.

What you are telling me is this "I could not afford an upgrade to my PC for left4dead... But i am able to afford a $250+ purchase." Umm... What? You just told me you have the means to be able to upgrade your PC to play Left4dead.

DragonfireXZ95

I bought a PS3 (300 bucks) in fall 2007

PS4 (300 bucks) comes out fall 2008

PS4 comes out without me knowing and i spent that money last year on a PS3.

i prefer a PS4 over a PS3 but i can't afford a PS4, but i am able to afford a PS3 for the exact same price.

game over.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

The term has more meaning then to just spare somthing, it could also mean to be able to do something, he has the efficient funds perform the task of buying a 360. But he already owns one that was given to him, he has efficient funds (he can afford) to buy one but it would be better spent on food, same goes with any other hardware.

DragonfireXZ95

If you can afford to buy more hardware, means you have enough to buy the hardware and you can still eat and be fufilled. When you have to spend the money on food, or bills, then you can't afford any other pleasantries, thus you can't afford to buy a 360 or other hardware.

I'm talking about the task you're talking about spareing of pleasantries. The fund for food is equivalent to that of 360 but the food is more of a nicety thus making the sparing of pleasantries null.

buying a helicopter before is a seperate event from buying a car now. here's an example:

I bought a PS3 (300 bucks) in fall 2007

PS4 (300 bucks) comes out fall 2008

PS4 comes out without me knowing and i spent that money last year on a PS3.

i prefer a PS4 over a PS3 but i can't afford a PS4, but i am able to afford a PS3 for the exact same price.

game over.

Boostinsane

Irrelevent. Not only did you just tell me you could afford a 360 now if you wanted to, it does not change the fact that the purchaser could have bought option A  or option B at the time of their purchase because they both had the same value. He chose either A or B at the time due to preferences.

You could have spent $250 on a 360.

You could have spent $250 on a PC upgrade.

You picked the 360 because you couldn't afford the 360 AND the PC one. Now im telling you "Well, you could have gotten a PC upgrade instead of the 360." and here you are trying to argue with me using strawman arguments by adding the displacement of time and flawed logic telling me that you couldn't.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

The term has more meaning then to just spare somthing, it could also mean to be able to do something, he has the efficient funds perform the task of buying a 360. But he already owns one that was given to him, he has efficient funds (he can afford) to buy one but it would be better spent on food, same goes with any other hardware.

VirtuaCast

If you can afford to buy more hardware, means you have enough to buy the hardware and you can still eat and be fufilled. When you have to spend the money on food, or bills, then you can't afford any other pleasantries, thus you can't afford to buy a 360 or other hardware.

I'm talking about the task you're talking about spareing of pleasantries. The fund for food is equivalent to that of 360 but the food more of a nicety thus making the sparing of pleasantries null.

It sounds to me like you are trying to argue the value of the two options. Its a valid argument, but different than being able to afford it.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]

buying a helicopter before is a seperate event from buying a car now. here's an example:

I bought a PS3 (300 bucks) in fall 2007

PS4 (300 bucks) comes out fall 2008

PS4 comes out without me knowing and i spent that money last year on a PS3.

i prefer a PS4 over a PS3 but i can't afford a PS4, but i am able to afford a PS3 for the exact same price.

game over.

XaosII

Irrelevent. Not only did you just tell me you could afford a 360 now if you wanted to, it does not change the fact that the purchaser could have bought option A  or option B at the time of their purchase because they both had the same value. He chose either A or B at the time due to preferences.

You could have spent $250 on a 360.

You could have spent $250 on a PC upgrade.

You picked the 360 because you couldn't afford the 360 AND the PC one. Now im telling you "Well, you could have gotten a PC upgrade instead of the 360." and here you are trying to argue with using strawman arguments and  flawed logic telling me that you couldn't.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Which means he could afford to upgrade his PC, thus making his point moot and unvalidated. That's why he's avoiding that route.

If you can afford to buy more hardware, means you have enough to buy the hardware and you can still eat and be fufilled. When you have to spend the money on food, or bills, then you can't afford any other pleasantries, thus you can't afford to buy a 360 or other hardware.

XaosII

I'm talking about the task you're talking about spareing of pleasantries. The fund for food is equivalent to that of 360 but the food more of a nicety thus making the sparing of pleasantries null.

It sounds to me like you are trying to argue the value of the two options. Its a valid argument, but different than being able to afford it.

Sounds to me he can't afford either a 360 or PC upgrade. If he wanted to starve he could preform the task but the niceties prevent him.

at least i'm not the one vomitting red herrings all over the place. how is it not relevant? i used the exact same sentence structure and everything. you said the money excuse doesn't work, i'm giving you an example of when it does and you aren't ackwnoldgeing the fact that the money excuse DOES WORK. maybe not for my situation but if it works in other situations i'm sure that people here at gamespot have money excuses that are valid for their situations with L4D as well and i'm defending those users.Boostinsane

I dont know how i can make this any simpler:

If you bought a 360 or you were able to to buy a 360, you could have spent the money on a PC upgrade.

Maybe you couldn't afford the 360 AND the PC at the same time. Maybe you can't afford 360 AND the PC in the future. And thats OK.

You chose not to get a PC upgrade, even though you were capable, for other reasons. Thats OK too.

But it was never because you couldn't have afforded it in place of the 360.

Sounds to me he can't afford either a 360 or PC upgrade. If he wanted to starve he could preform the task but the niceties prevent him.

VirtuaCast

Yes, it does sound to me like he doesn't have the disposable income for either, but he claims he does, but he's arguing that he doesn't.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]at least i'm not the one vomitting red herrings all over the place. how is it not relevant? i used the exact same sentence structure and everything. you said the money excuse doesn't work, i'm giving you an example of when it does and you aren't ackwnoldgeing the fact that the money excuse DOES WORK. maybe not for my situation but if it works in other situations i'm sure that people here at gamespot have money excuses that are valid for their situations with L4D as well and i'm defending those users.XaosII

I dont know how i can make this any simpler:

If you bought a 360 or you were able to to buy a 360, you could have spent the money on a PC upgrade.

Maybe you couldn't afford the 360 AND the PC at the same time. Maybe you can't afford 360 AND the PC in the future. And thats OK.

You chose not to get a PC upgrade, even though you were capable, for other reasons. Thats OK too.

But it was never because you couldn't have afforded it in place of the 360.

the money excuse works under certain conditions then. that's all i needed to know. /argument Boostinsane

That was never the argument in the first place but if you want to claim your "victory" over a phantom argument, then be my guest. It has no effect on the validity of the actual argument.

[QUOTE="Boostinsane"]i have money to afford a 360, but i won't because a) i already have one b) it's not a necessity to me (money better spent on food and other things) c) money is really tight right now so your logic might be a little flawed...XaosII

A) If you can afford to buy a 360 you can afford to upgrade your PC. You simply choose not to. Im failing to see why this is such a hard concept for you to understand. It doesn't matter whether you consider upgrading for just one game to be a poor value or not, you are capable of doing so. The money excuse doesn't work.

B) Irrelevent.

C) Irrelevent.

/argument again