Lets be honest XBL is alot cheaper than you people claim.

Seriously. 8 dollars a month is nothing. Just skip your fast food meal once a month or don't buy that six pack of beer. 8 dollars a month is nothingKaze_no_Mirai

Thank you!!!

XBL FACT is better than PSN.... Its like comparing buying a Kia or a Mercedes... They both get you where your going... But one does it in style with some nice features...

PSN is awesome and yes its free... I love that.. But I think its insane peopl think paying $40 a YEAR to use a service offers features the other doesnt.

my renewal fee for 2011 is $29.99. it was on special a few months a go and i re-upped.

the charge does not go on my cc until this fall when my current sub expires.

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Seriously. 8 dollars a month is nothing. Just skip your fast food meal once a month or don't buy that six pack of beer. 8 dollars a month is nothingvistamanV5

Thank you!!!

XBL FACT is better than PSN.... Its like comparing buying a Kia or a Mercedes... They both get you where your going... But one does it in style with some nice features...

PSN is awesome and yes its free... I love that.. But I think its insane peopl think paying $40 a YEAR to use a service offers features the other doesnt.

Cmon now...I know Kias are nice but saying it has STYLE and FEATURES? you're crazy

[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Seriously. 8 dollars a month is nothing. Just skip your fast food meal once a month or don't buy that six pack of beer. 8 dollars a month is nothingNodakJo2010

Thank you!!!

XBL FACT is better than PSN.... Its like comparing buying a Kia or a Mercedes... They both get you where your going... But one does it in style with some nice features...

PSN is awesome and yes its free... I love that.. But I think its insane peopl think paying $40 a YEAR to use a service offers features the other doesnt.

Cmon now...I know Kia's are nice but saying it has STYLE and FEATURES? your crazy

Seriously. 8 dollars a month is nothing. Just skip your fast food meal once a month or don't buy that six pack of beer. 8 dollars a month is nothingKaze_no_Mirai

lol! It wouldn't be if XBL was actually charging us for something worthwhile. I'd be better off handing out free money out to a homeless bum on the street once per month. At least then I'd feel good about myself instead of feeling ripped off; Jynxzor said it best on the last page

"Microsoft holds my gaming experience hostage and I don't take kind to that."

If they really cared, they'd at least break it down into packages for people who only want to play online. They don't even want to give us options.

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

Thank you!!!

XBL FACT is better than PSN.... Its like comparing buying a Kia or a Mercedes... They both get you where your going... But one does it in style with some nice features...

PSN is awesome and yes its free... I love that.. But I think its insane peopl think paying $40 a YEAR to use a service offers features the other doesnt.

vistamanV5

Cmon now...I know Kia's are nice but saying it has STYLE and FEATURES? your crazy

I would see it more of a comparison of a Ferrari F50 to a Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. (Xbox = Ferrari PSN = Vette)
-The Ferrari will take you 200mph and are prestigious but cost you $500,000
-The Vette will still take you 200 mph, still has prestige and only costs you $70,000

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Seriously. 8 dollars a month is nothing. Just skip your fast food meal once a month or don't buy that six pack of beer. 8 dollars a month is nothingsts106mat

lol! It wouldn't be if XBL was actually charging us for something worthwhile. I'd be better off handing out free money out to a homeless bum on the street once per month. At least then I'd feel good about myself instead of feeling ripped off; Jynxzor said it best on the last page

"Microsoft holds my gaming experience hostage and I don't take kind to that."

If they really cared, they'd at least break it down into packages for people who only want to play online. They don't even want to give us options.

Jynxor said "Microsoft holds my gaming experience hostage and i dont take kind to that" LOL, did they come into your house with guns, throw a bag over your console and drive it away in a van?? NO, you bought your XBOX, you know that LIVE is a paid for service. How can they be holding you hostage when you willing signed up to it?

I Dont see many World of Warcraft players complaining about paying a subscription, hey i can go run in the park for free, perhaps my gym should let me in for free aswell since exercise is free elsewhere.

you are either willing to pay or you are not if you bought an Xbox, you should know that its a requirement to play online you must pay. thats it, there is no hostage taking at all.

Microsoft monetizes a service that should be free. If Steam and PSN can be free then so can XBL. It provides nothing significantly different that the other two aforementioned do not or can not. All other arguments debating this are just really grasping at straws.

Plain and simple, Microsoft charges for XBL because they can. They're cheaper than the PS3 out of the box and Microsoft knows many people will buy it because their friends have it.

p2p online should be free

Jynxor said "Microsoft holds my gaming experience hostage and i dont take kind to that" LOL, did they come into your house with guns, throw a bag over your console and drive it away in a van?? NO, you bought your XBOX, you know that LIVE is a paid for service. How can they be holding you hostage when you willing signed up to it?

I Dont see many World of Warcraft players complaining about paying a subscription, hey i can go run in the park for free, perhaps my gym should let me in for free aswell since exercise is free elsewhere.

you are either willing to pay or you are not if you bought an Xbox, you should know that its a requirement to play online you must pay. thats it, there is no hostage taking at all.

sts106mat

And hostage implies you have no choice... People know exactly how much its costs when they pay for it.... MS isnt forcing anyone to pay... People pay $15 a month for WoW... I know I do... I get way more time from XBL.... And of course ppl make the aurgument that WoW is constantly getting better... Thats true but so is XBL.. People buy expansion packs for MMOs and there paying for a monthly fee... Based off you peoples logic I should be getting that content for free.vistamanV5

Realistically obviously PSN being free is the better deal... I play both PSN and XBL alot... Both great services and I'm not here to argue features... But every thread or comment is "XBL is $60 a year"

XBL has literally a deal every week for XBL... With huge discounts.. I just Golded my second account $10 for 3 months... Ive seen a year offered through XBL itself for as cheap as $35... And amazon they can be had for $40 or less....

I buy a bottle of water everyday and get back a quarter. I pay for my live with my change. For how great the service is we can all agree its worth $40.

vistamanV5

Microsoft claims that XBL costs $60/year. I guess Microsoft is "you people" now?

Don't worry, I'm sure it will be up to $70/year by next gen. It's definitely not going down.

Paying for an inferior product isn't my idea of "Better."

So yeah, PSN is still the best (console) online network.

So, sure, $60 isn't that much in the big scale of things, but which would you rather spend money on:

• A brand-new game for your Xbox 360.
• Ransom to unlock the online component for the games you already own for one year

It costs money.. so no its not.. but nice try.. i already pay for my internet to get online and enjoy.. why do i need to pay on top of my internet to Ms just to play online on their network? gtfo

:P

finalstar2007

Microsoft monetizes a service that should be free. If Steam and PSN can be free then so can XBL. It provides nothing significantly different that the other two aforementioned do not or can not. All other arguments debating this are just really grasping at straws.

Plain and simple, Microsoft charges for XBL because they can. They're cheaper than the PS3 out of the box and Microsoft knows many people will buy it because their friends have it.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Microsoft monetizes a service that should be free. If Steam and PSN can be free then so can XBL. It provides nothing significantly different that the other two aforementioned do not or can not. All other arguments debating this are just really grasping at straws.

Plain and simple, Microsoft charges for XBL because they can. They're cheaper than the PS3 out of the box and Microsoft knows many people will buy it because their friends have it.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Microsoft monetizes a service that should be free. If Steam and PSN can be free then so can XBL. It provides nothing significantly different that the other two aforementioned do not or can not. All other arguments debating this are just really grasping at straws.

Plain and simple, Microsoft charges for XBL because they can. They're cheaper than the PS3 out of the box and Microsoft knows many people will buy it because their friends have it.

Mystic-G

I don't have to touch my games to update them. Great part about Steam.

Also have 3 other programs for voice chat, as well as Steam's built-in voice chat. Pretty good position here.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] actually it does, steam and psn games don't have an online platform built into the game, so dev's will be building a lot more of the online structure then what is provided with live, and this makes a lot of the online functionality in all of the games on xbox to be updatable without touching the game, the best example is their recent upgrade of the voice codec, all of the games recieved this update where PSN doens't have this built in so unless the dev's have to update each individual game.savagetwinkie

but thats not part of the game... its a seperate chat service , outside of the game,

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Steam upgraded their voice codec too. They now use the same one as Skype, which destroys anything XBL has at the moment. Steam let's you voice chat with people on your friends list with it. And I still don't have to pay for Steam, amazing. Mystic-G

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]but thats not part of the game... its a seperate chat service , outside of the game,

skrat_01

I buy a bottle of water everyday and get back a quarter. .

vistamanV5

[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

I buy a bottle of water everyday and get back a quarter. .

meetroid8

[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"]

I buy a bottle of water everyday and get back a quarter. .

savagetwinkie

I buy cases of bottled water. Its like 3 bucks for 24 bottles. If you pay a $1 (or sometimes more???)a bottle your an idiot.

How do you guys go from talking about xbox live to bottled water, lol!! I guess all you guys complaining of xbox live cost v PSN cost buy unbranded cheap clothes, wouldnt consider a premium branded TV, dont aspire to own a bigger house in a better area or would never consider aspiring to own a premium brand car. I suppose you would all rather go to a state college than an IVY league college for your education. Bottom line, if you want to pay for xbox live, pay for it. $60 or £35 isnt a lot of money really and you get what you pay for.

I guess it makes sense that people who pay more for water than gasoline would think that paying to unlock the online play in the games they own is a real bargain.

How do you guys go from talking about xbox live to bottled water, lol!! I guess all you guys complaining of xbox live cost v PSN cost buy unbranded cheap clothes, wouldnt consider a premium branded TV, dont aspire to own a bigger house in a better area or would never consider aspiring to own a premium brand car. I suppose you would all rather go to a state college than an IVY league college for your education. Bottom line, if you want to pay for xbox live, pay for it. $60 or £35 isnt a lot of money really and you get what you pay for.

ccagracing

I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents.

How do you guys go from talking about xbox live to bottled water, lol!! I guess all you guys complaining of xbox live cost v PSN cost buy unbranded cheap clothes, wouldnt consider a premium branded TV, dont aspire to own a bigger house in a better area or would never consider aspiring to own a premium brand car. I suppose you would all rather go to a state college than an IVY league college for your education. Bottom line, if you want to pay for xbox live, pay for it. $60 or £35 isnt a lot of money really and you get what you pay for.

ccagracing

Well I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents and its the same as bottled water.

I don't like having to pay monthly just to watch Netflix on my 360, when I'm already paying monthly for it. So I just do it for free on my Wii and PS3.

XBL isn't something I mind paying for.. just most of the games on it are pretty repetitive (see 90% FPS). Oh, and don't say Torchlight. I'll just boot up my PC and play Diablo. kthxbai.

I don't like having to pay monthly just to watch Netflix on my 360, when I'm already paying monthly for it. So I just do it for free on my Wii and PS3.

XBL isn't something I mind paying for.. just most of the games on it are pretty repetitive (see 90% FPS). Oh, and don't say Torchlight. I'll just boot up my PC and play Diablo. kthxbai.

emphaticleech

It costs money.. so no its not.. but nice try.. i already pay for my internet to get online and enjoy.. why do i need to pay on top of my internet to Ms just to play online on their network? gtfo

:P

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] but thats not part of the game... its a seperate chat service , outside of the game,

savagetwinkie

Nothin about that gives actual price value to Live. You can keep sayin LIVE integration, but it's nothing more than a marketing phrase if the benifit is hardly noticable.

I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents. [QUOTE="ccagracing"]

How do you guys go from talking about xbox live to bottled water, lol!! I guess all you guys complaining of xbox live cost v PSN cost buy unbranded cheap clothes, wouldnt consider a premium branded TV, dont aspire to own a bigger house in a better area or would never consider aspiring to own a premium brand car. I suppose you would all rather go to a state college than an IVY league college for your education. Bottom line, if you want to pay for xbox live, pay for it. $60 or £35 isnt a lot of money really and you get what you pay for.

AutoPilotOn

Well I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents and its the same as bottled water.

Thats err.. awesome... I think. Where do you get your bottles for the water from?

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]

I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents. [QUOTE="ccagracing"]

How do you guys go from talking about xbox live to bottled water, lol!! I guess all you guys complaining of xbox live cost v PSN cost buy unbranded cheap clothes, wouldnt consider a premium branded TV, dont aspire to own a bigger house in a better area or would never consider aspiring to own a premium brand car. I suppose you would all rather go to a state college than an IVY league college for your education. Bottom line, if you want to pay for xbox live, pay for it. $60 or £35 isnt a lot of money really and you get what you pay for.

ccagracing

Well I can fill a gallon of filtered water for 25 cents and its the same as bottled water.

Thats err.. awesome... I think. Where do you get your bottles for the water from?

I buy gallon jugs of water and then dump them out so I have empty bottles.