Lets be honest XBL is alot cheaper than you people claim.

[QUOTE="emphaticleech"]

I don't like having to pay monthly just to watch Netflix on my 360, when I'm already paying monthly for it. So I just do it for free on my Wii and PS3.

XBL isn't something I mind paying for.. just most of the games on it are pretty repetitive (see 90% FPS). Oh, and don't say Torchlight. I'll just boot up my PC and play Diablo. kthxbai.

DragonfireXZ95

Because then, I'll just play Diablo! :P

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

But what if I don't do 'deals of the week', then I'm left paying $60

DJ_Lae

You people?

You people?

DanteSuikoden

Racist!!??

Lets not forget the £70 wireless adaptor...

DarthJohnova

The elites have wi-fi built in them now don't they? It took them long enough. :\

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Lets not forget the £70 wireless adaptor...

emphaticleech

The elites have wi-fi built in them now don't they? It took them long enough. :

No all the new slim xboxs have wifi built in.

[QUOTE="emphaticleech"]

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Lets not forget the £70 wireless adaptor...

AutoPilotOn

The elites have wi-fi built in them now don't they? It took them long enough. :

No all the new slim xboxs have wifi built in.

Pft. And people complained about the Wii taking forever for some minute hardware changes? At least the Wii had damn wi-fi when it came out.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

You people?

Racist!!??

thank god i have both consoles :D

i dont use credit card anyway

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Soooooooo.... your point is..... Mystic-G

Nothin about that gives actual price value to Live. You can keep sayin LIVE integration, but it's nothing more than a marketing phrase if the benifit is hardly noticable.

Yet people have no problem paying anywhere from $5-$15 a month on top of the cost of purchase, just to play a single game. That is absolutely useless without an internet connection. See MMOs.

Lets not forget being charged to buy ingame money and items if you don't want to spend 15+ hours a day grinding.

Hate to tell you guys this but gaming as a whole is just one big expensive rip off. And it's going to cost you regardless. But we put up with all that over priced crap because we love and need to game.

Everyone has their poison. For some it comes from a liquor store, tobacco shop or drug dealer. Ours just comes in disc form.

It still costs money when it shouldn't cost anything. So Xbox Live doesn't shut down and comprimise very personal user info and payment information and such.DragonfireXZ95

You cant put a price on security. I feel a lot more comfortable gaming on the superior XBL serviceshadow8585

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]You cant put a price on security. I feel a lot more comfortable gaming on the superior XBL serviceAugustusGraham

Actually you can put a price on security. 5 bucks locks down your WoW account to the point that it'd be the user's fault for getting their info/account stolen.

And let me know when that superior service comes out of alpha/beta testing, cause the current XBL is a rip-off.

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]You cant put a price on security. I feel a lot more comfortable gaming on the superior XBL serviceAugustusGraham

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] the point is that live and several parts of of the online structure that games use is not part of the game, for instance battle field bad company 2 uses the live chat feature, it doesn' have its own in game, and its upgradeable without having to update the game itself, I'm not arguing that live is worth it the value, and even I realize a lot of the benefits of what is does is pretty transparent to most users, its still the only service that provides a universal online structure for all of the games that on on a platform, no other system does this except for xbox. And since its a way to be able to maintain and upgrade all of the games with a small patch, thats mostly where they originally justified the cost of live, most people only see, i need it to play with my friends...savagetwinkie

Nothin about that gives actual price value to Live. You can keep sayin LIVE integration, but it's nothing more than a marketing phrase if the benifit is hardly noticable.

At least the Wii had damn wi-fi when it came out.

emphaticleech

[QUOTE="AugustusGraham"]

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]You cant put a price on security. I feel a lot more comfortable gaming on the superior XBL serviceJynxzor

It would be worth it if Microsoft hosted dedicated servers for all multiplayer games on Xbox... but they don't.

If you have 3 people playing MW2 on the 3 different platforms (PC/PS3/360), they all access multiplayer the same way which is P2P through IWnet. The only difference there is that one of them is paying $60USD a year just for the ability to do so.

It doesn't matter if you got it for cheap, the point is you're paying Microsoft to let you play games over your internet. And as far as I can see the only thing people defend it with is the rubbish voice chat.

lot of poor people on gamespot

nuff said

i-rock-socks

Lots of people blindly throwing away their disposable income as if money is linked to AIDS and the Bubonic Plague.

Nuff said.

[QUOTE="the_mitch28"]

It would be worth it if Microsoft hosted dedicated servers for all multiplayer games on Xbox... but they don't.

If you have 3 people playing MW2 on the 3 different platforms (PC/PS3/360), they all access multiplayer the same way which is P2P through IWnet. The only difference there is that one of them is paying $60USD a year just for the ability to do so.

It doesn't matter if you got it for cheap, the point is you're paying Microsoft to let you play games over your internet. And as far as I can see the only thing people defend it with is the rubbish voice chat.

sts106mat

how is the voice chat rubbish? it lets you chat with groups of friends in different games or just with the people in the game. How is that rubbish?

Also its more than voice chat. Think of the friends notifications, that pop when someone comes online. the ability to view the gamer card (instantly) of any player you've met / played against online. the option to mute / block this person / avoid in future.

Plus you can instantly check your achievements / games played against anyone in your match or anyone who you recently played with. send a Friend request and send instant party invites to people in your match.

Because the sound quality is awful? When me and my friends used to play on Xbox we ended up downloading skype on our phones to talk to each other. The fact that you're paying for it means it should be good, not the bare minimum.

I always buy a full year of XBL.

I have to dish out 50 euros once every year.It's not that big of a deal.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]but thats not part of the game... its a seperate chat service , outside of the game,

savagetwinkie

This thread confirms that a good percentage of XBL users have Stockholm syndrome.

No only do they not mind having the online portion of the games they own held hostage, they come here to brag about it. :roll

so lets say its 40$ a year

lets say you bought the console in 2005 at launch

40(6)= 240$

pretty much the price of a new console. its a shame and an absolute scam. it absolutely baffles me that people are willing to pay just to play games online

Can't say XBL is exactly "cheap" but it's worth the $45 I paid for the year. Like always, the price is only an issue on System Wars and nowhere else.

meh, pick up the change you see laying in the street every day and you can pay for xbl.

i mean come on if the pittiance i pay for xbl upsets youyour head will explode when i tell you it was $700 to air condtion my house last year and $2000 to feed the dogs.

Eh, whatever. This argument, presented in any form, will be a hot button for SW, I guess. I've never had that much of a problem with XBL, some think its the worst thing in the world.

Do people really believe that playing online on other platforms is actually free?:lol: At least with Xbox live I have a choice: if I don't want to utilize the service, I do not have to pay for it.

Do people really believe that playing online on other platforms is actually free?:lol: At least with Xbox live I have a choice: if I don't want to utilize the service, I do not have to pay for it.

WardCleaver02

I never hear people complaining about the WoW fee which is practically the same and even worse. XBL is just hated on because PSN is free. LustForSoul

Do people really believe that playing online on other platforms is actually free?:lol: At least with Xbox live I have a choice: if I don't want to utilize the service, I do not have to pay for it.

WardCleaver02

meh, pick up the change you see laying in the street every day and you can pay for xbl.

i mean come on if the pittiance i pay for xbl upsets youyour head will explode when i tell you it was $700 to air condtion my house last year and $2000 to feed the dogs.

Riverwolf007

Off-topic: But at the beginning of this year I peformed an experiment and went out of my way to find change on the street during my commute to the Loop, Chicago. I did it during the winter when it was too cold to ride my bike, so I was walking and riding the L.

The biggest thing I ever found was a dime. I think I found a total of about $.25. (twenty-five cents).

Maybe it's the rough economy, but there's no change on the street or the sidewalk these days.

On-topic: Stockholm syndrome, man. Stockholm syndrome.

[QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]

Do people really believe that playing online on other platforms is actually free?:lol: At least with Xbox live I have a choice: if I don't want to utilize the service, I do not have to pay for it.

DarthJohnova

No not, PS+, "vanilla" PSN. Do people really think that Sony is providing the services on the PSN for "free"? Or, to put it another way, does maintaining the PSN cost Sony nothing?

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]I never hear people complaining about the WoW fee which is practically the same and even worse. XBL is just hated on because PSN is free. Mystic-G

....really? Comparing WoW to XBL? lol For one WoW is actually played on blizzard servers not hosted by other gamers and they also release of ton of new content and updates all the time so its ever expanding even without expansion packs.

You cant put a price on security. I feel a lot more comfortable gaming on the superior XBL serviceshadow8585

Un-ha-cka-ble

Certified with 35-60$ a year.

@people posting senseless analogies of having to pay for electricity for a house etc.

It makes no sense. XBL is not a tangible good to begin with. They charge you mostly for the permission of access to P2P.

It's more like you've paid for the house, for the furnitures, for the electricity, yet somehow you're charged extra for having the permission to use your electricity to power your dishwasher. It's not a tangible good, but a artificial barrier put up for $$$, just because they can.

(Of course, insulting people that do pay for it is stupid. Value is to the eye of the beholder, if you find those 35-60$ well spend, then power to you)

[QUOTE="i-rock-socks"]

lot of poor people on gamespot

nuff said

Vesica_Prime

Lots of people blindly throwing away their disposable income as if money is linked to AIDS and the Bubonic Plague.

Nuff said.