Lets Finish This! - Nintendo Has Not Abandoned Their Core Group!

U MAD?

You didnt even highlight most of the GC titles that appealed to the hardcore audience. Selectiveness ftl.

Uzumaki_Naruto5

Read it again because he was listing Nintendo's First and Exclusive titles!!!!!!

No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.Teufelhuhn

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

So the point of this thread was to prove that metroid, smash and mario are still staples to the nintendo name? a big WTF to that.
JPOBS

To the people asking "lol where teh terd pardee?"

It's first and second-party only. That's the point. :|

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.kansasdude2009

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]So the point of this thread was to prove that metroid, smash and mario are still staples to the nintendo name? a big WTF to that.
nintendofreak_2

sorry, assumptions arent good enough.
JPOBS

seeing the 2007 lineup, it definitely seems nindtendo hasn't abandoned their core gamers. Its more like almost all 3rd party dev are moe interested in making casual games for Wii and that is why it seems wii is casualized and/or kiddy. but the 2008 linup doesn't looks that good to me
naval

BINGO!! My point exactly. People say Nintendo has abandoned their Core audience, WRONG! For some reason people confuse 3rd parties with Nintendo.

As for 2008, Nintendo has not said anything on it at all really. Expect more titles to come... EASILY.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]So the point of this thread was to prove that metroid, smash and mario are still staples to the nintendo name? a big WTF to that.
JPOBS

Welcome to system wars. All the Wii haters always bash the Wii because it has no good hardcore titles, and that all the games are kiddy crap, thats what this thread was trying to prove, that Nintendo is still making quality hardcore games for their core gamer.

No i understand. Nintendo is still making great first party games like they have been for years now. WHO WAS DENYING THIS? this thread doesnt "prove" anything :?
JPOBS

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.kansasdude2009

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]No i understand. Nintendo is still making great first party games like they have been for years now. WHO WAS DENYING THIS? this thread doesnt "prove" anything :?
nintendofreak_2

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.Meu2k7

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.Meu2k7

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

Well if the Wii keeps selling well, then they will get more support. Then later on, people will get bored with the casual titles and start buying the hardcore games. So Nintendo amps up their hardcore lineup and so does the third parties so that they can make money. That was the Wii's purpose.

except the fact that the gamecube was a complete failure. I support Nintendo and I had a gamecube and now have a Wii but take those games that you are talking about and 3 of them appeal to me as games i would purcahse. Being Mario, Metroid and smash bros. Now take the list of games that appeal to me that are coming out to the 360 and its probably more like 10 - 15 games this fall-winter. I am buying 4. Halo3, bioshock, rockband guitar hero 3. add mass effect, AC, too human, army of two, kane and lynch, call of duty 3, what else oh so many games that are made for hardcore gamers. Nintendo is aiming at what it feels is harcore gamers but its not anymore. I am keeping the wii but i still think it is a descent system and is fun but the fun willfade unless they release some real games. Zelda TP was amazing, give me more games like that, that was a game made for hardcore gamers, no other game has been made for that audience yet on the Wii. METROID CORRUPTION SHOULD BE THE SECOND ON THE LIST.zeldafan00013

But most of the 360's games are from 3rd Parties. I know, as a whole, the Wii does not appeal to the Hardcore. But is this Ninendo's fault? This shows that they are putting out more "core" titles that basically sold the GameCube than they ever have. 2008 for Wii for Nintendo is already better than some of the GameCube years.

What I am trying to prove is that Nintendo has not abandoned their "core" group as so many people state in regular posting. Its completely false, as you can see.

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

Meu2k7

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

nintendofreak_2

No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.Teufelhuhn

How so? Just because you say this doesn't mean it's true.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

JPOBS

Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest Swords, Zack & Wiki and I don't give about EA, Ubiosft, although they're "shifting focus".

please list some examples of this "switching focus" of which you speak.
JPOBS

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.Meu2k7

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

People... I NEVER said "hardcore" in my post. Read the title... it says "core". Who are the "core" nintendo players? The Sheep... this is defense against the sheep that you all destroy every day here at SW.

This list is just of Nintendo, and nothing else. I am sorry, but I can not win a War here. This is a selective "battle" against people saying that Nintendo has abandoned their "core" group because they are making Wii Fit. WFT!?!?

Do you understand my point no?

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

Eponique

Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest Swords, Zack & Wiki and I don't give about EA, Ubiosft, although they're "shifting focus".

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]please list some examples of this "switching focus" of which you speak.
nintendofreak_2

that makes sense.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

The problem here is, outside of Nintendo I.Ps ... the 3rd partys .. a VERY VERY important part ... as well you know ... the entire PC library is 3rd party and well, everyone gets smacked down when they try to question it ... 3rd party is severly important.

I'm still trying to comprehend your point and see it in a positive light .. because im stuck with the following 2 ideas in my mind:

1) Your saying that, this year Nintendo is realesing tis big I.Ps all in one year ... thus somehow making it the best Nintendo IP fans (NOT exactly hardcore) thus being the best year for nintendo since well SNES years?

2) ... This list is a poor cover up for the fact that the system has little to nothing in terms of REAL depth games outside of nintendo ... but somehow nintendo making more first party will fix this problem?

I'm leaning towards number 2 ...

Eponique

Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest Swords, Zack & Wiki and I don't give about EA, Ubiosft, although they're "shifting focus".

EA - Crysis , Ubisoft - Far Cry 2 (looking to be yet again a innovative masterpeice) ... shifting focus is pretty false ... or your just using the term incorrectly.

And Capcom actually starting whoring thier games onto STEAM and the PC ... again shifting to who? This gen most developers are shifting all over the place.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]No i understand. Nintendo is still making great first party games like they have been for years now. WHO WAS DENYING THIS? this thread doesnt "prove" anything :?
JPOBS

exactly. But I never heard this junk about Nintendo abandoning their core group when the biggest title of the year was Fire Emblem. All of a sudden the Wii comes around, 3rd parties make all these strange games, and this is somehow Nintendo's doing? They are the only ones truely supporting the system besides the very few amazing 3rd party games (Trauma Center, RE4, Zack and Wiki, and more).

oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

JPOBS

EA - Crysis , Ubisoft - Far Cry 2 (looking to be yet again a innovative masterpeice) ... shifting focus is pretty false ... or your just using the term incorrectly.

And Capcom actually starting whoring thier games onto STEAM and the PC ... again shifting to who? This gen most developers are shifting all over the place.

Meu2k7

Most multiplats are missing. My main complaint about the wii. And I say they've abandoned the core b/c this gen it's essential for the core audience to have a good online. Wii doesn't have good online. It has few games and even when they do have good games, the online will still suck b/c there is absolutely no communication or sense of being in a community. You can't see your friends when playing, you can't even talk to them! (no strategy during MoH) Online for Wii is basically playing against CPU, only you know those other cars/ people are actual people. The online is not immersive at all.

manningbowl135

Who says that online is a requirement for core gamers? PS1, N64, PS2, and GC didn't have it. Does that make them casual consoles?

oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

JPOBS

Yeah, because Square-Enix is in love with the 360. They've said they're not going to release any games for the PS3 until after Spring 2008 for the PS3 sales to pick up, and rumours saying they've also got many of their PS3 titles on hold.

This THREAD just proves and ONLY proves a MAJORITY of those games are 1st Party titles.....Key titles that help sell Nintendo platforms.

Wii is still on a silver platter for Non-gaming casuals to feast on.

Sorry, sheep. Wii still sucks in my book. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

M8ingSeezun

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

nintendofreak_2

Wow. Stop using that term please.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]No, they haven't abandoned anybody who lives in dies by the next update to the Zelda or Mario series. But they sure have given up on the rest of "hardcore" gamers.JPOBS

if you say that now, you must mean the GameCube aslo, because the GameCube didn't do much at all really. After all of these titles are released, Retro Studios will probably be working on a new IP, after Disaster is done, Monoltih Soft will probably start a new Hardcore RPG for the Wii like thier good at, and others.

The Wii is doing much more than the GameCube EVER did.

So because the wii are now getting some second degree games, devs are "shifting focus"

Wow. Stop using that term please.

JPOBS

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

Eponique

Yeah, because Square-Enix is in love with the 360. They've said they're not going to release any games for the PS3 until after Spring 2008 for the PS3 sales to pick up, and rumours saying they've also got many of their PS3 titles on hold.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

So because the wii are now getting some second degree games, devs are "shifting focus"

Wow. Stop using that term please.

nintendofreak_2

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

JPOBS

Wow. Stop using that term please.

Anyway, the point of this thread was that Nintendo doesn't only make Wii Fit, Mario Party, and Cooking mama (They don't even reall make the last two)...

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

EA - Crysis , Ubisoft - Far Cry 2 (looking to be yet again a innovative masterpeice) ... shifting focus is pretty false ... or your just using the term incorrectly.

And Capcom actually starting whoring thier games onto STEAM and the PC ... again shifting to who? This gen most developers are shifting all over the place.

JPOBS

This arguement was NEVER about the 3rd party. That is a completely unrelated topic.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

JPOBS

Wow. Stop using that term please.

So they've put two titles on the console (while thier biggest title remains exclusive to ps3) and suddenly they're shifting focus? gotcha.
JPOBS

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

EA - Crysis , Ubisoft - Far Cry 2 (looking to be yet again a innovative masterpeice) ... shifting focus is pretty false ... or your just using the term incorrectly.

And Capcom actually starting whoring thier games onto STEAM and the PC ... again shifting to who? This gen most developers are shifting all over the place.

kansasdude2009

This arguement was NEVER about the 3rd party. That is a completely unrelated topic.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]oh. thats what you call "shifting focus"?

none of those games come clsoe to what each dev is doing on other platforms.

JPOBS

Yeah, because Square-Enix is in love with the 360. They've said they're not going to release any games for the PS3 until after Spring 2008 for the PS3 sales to pick up, and rumours saying they've also got many of their PS3 titles on hold.

And they have 2 titles on the PS3. What a winner.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]So they've put two titles on the console (while thier biggest title remains exclusive to ps3) and suddenly they're shifting focus? gotcha.
nintendofreak_2

You answered you're own question :|
JPOBS

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]So they've put two titles on the console (while thier biggest title remains exclusive to ps3) and suddenly they're shifting focus? gotcha.
JPOBS