You want to know what Survival Horror is? S/H is Silent Hill, Condemned: Criminal Origins and System Shock 2. Where the "survival" aspect is an important and deeply essential part of the gameplay. You have to keep your wits about you and if you don't, you'll end up with less resources than you need to progress easily or just plain dead.How would you know? post a pic of your RE5 retail copy. Resident Evil 4, is focused around horrific elements, enemies/atmosphere (MAKING IT A HORROR GAME)....your an special agent who has a mission and needs to surive the horrors of it, its plain and simple. Play RE4 on PRO. Its as much SURIVAL as the the classic RE's..for the fact that the classic ones you could just run around the zombies and most of the time avoid the enemies, besides the main ones. RE5 adds more to the survival by the buddy system, if you have played the demo, you will see what i mean...its harder and requires strategy and NOT mindless shooting to survive it. I can only imagine the many other levels/bits we haven't seen.
I bet RE5 is going to be a fantastic game... but calling it survival horror is just completely out of line. The game has moved beyond the genre it started in and into a more action-oriented mainstream. It is more of a horror shooter than survival horror.foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]You want to know what Survival Horror is? S/H is Silent Hill, Condemned: Criminal Origins and System Shock 2. Where the "survival" aspect is an important and deeply essential part of the gameplay. You have to keep your wits about you and if you don't, you'll end up with less resources than you need to progress easily or just plain dead.How would you know? post a pic of your RE5 retail copy. Resident Evil 4, is focused around horrific elements, enemies/atmosphere (MAKING IT A HORROR GAME)....your an special agent who has a mission and needs to surive the horrors of it, its plain and simple. Take the RE4 played on PRO. Its as much SURIVAL as the the ****c RE's..for the fact that the ****c ones you could just run around the zombies and most of the time avoid the enemies, besides the main ones. RE5 adds more to the survival by the buddy system, if you have played the demo, you will see what i mean...its harder and requires strategy and NOT mindless shooting to survive it. I can only imagine the many other levels/bits we haven't seen.
I bet RE5 is going to be a fantastic game... but calling it survival horror is just completely out of line. The game has moved beyond the genre it started in and into a more action-oriented mainstream. It is more of a horror shooter than survival horror.Eyezonmii
Your signature is pretty much proof its not survival horror. Rambo is the enemy of survival horror.
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] How, when RE5 feels more of a surival game, thanks to the buddy system....needing to not just worry about yourself, but your partner, including the fact that the game has less ammo this time, and MORE ENEMIES! EyezonmiiI love RE4 and will love 5 but you can't say with a straight face that it's a survival horror game. When you have tomatoes dropped ammo you know there is too much. Yes i can, play RE4 on pro, PLAY the RE5 demo...better yet, wait until its released to fully judge it. Why don't you do the same thing. :?
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] How would you know? post a pic of your RE5 retail copy. Resident Evil 4, is focused around horrific elements, enemies/atmosphere (MAKING IT A HORROR GAME)....your an special agent who has a mission and needs to surive the horrors of it, its plain and simple. Take the RE4 played on PRO. Its as much SURIVAL as the the ****c RE's..for the fact that the ****c ones you could just run around the zombies and most of the time avoid the enemies, besides the main ones. RE5 adds more to the survival by the buddy system, if you have played the demo, you will see what i mean...its harder and requires strategy and NOT mindless shooting to survive it. I can only imagine the many other levels/bits we haven't seen. Eyezonmii
Your signature is pretty much proof its not survival horror. Rambo is the enemy of survival horror.
???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is.Yes it does. The steroid freak they made out chris to be is a factor.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I love RE4 and will love 5 but you can't say with a straight face that it's a survival horror game. When you have tomatoes dropped ammo you know there is too much.Aljosa23Yes i can, play RE4 on pro, PLAY the RE5 demo...better yet, wait until its released to fully judge it. Why don't you do the same thing. :? you serious? i'm not the one claiming something isn't this, when the game isn't out. I've well addressed the game from the demo and what it is. Most of you go by video's and screen shots. What i mean by it is that, the game is suppose to have much darker and HARDER levels, something we have yet to see. spin it all you want, but RE5 is a surival horror, its labelled that and it simply is that. Common sense.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is.Your signature is pretty much proof its not survival horror. Rambo is the enemy of survival horror.
hakanakumono
Yes it does. The steroid freak they made out chris to be is a factor.
lol, so his superhuman now? you don't use weapons to play the game, just strength?
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] How would you know? post a pic of your RE5 retail copy. Resident Evil 4, is focused around horrific elements, enemies/atmosphere (MAKING IT A HORROR GAME)....your an special agent who has a mission and needs to surive the horrors of it, its plain and simple. Take the RE4 played on PRO. Its as much SURIVAL as the the ****c RE's..for the fact that the ****c ones you could just run around the zombies and most of the time avoid the enemies, besides the main ones. RE5 adds more to the survival by the buddy system, if you have played the demo, you will see what i mean...its harder and requires strategy and NOT mindless shooting to survive it. I can only imagine the many other levels/bits we haven't seen. Eyezonmii
Your signature is pretty much proof its not survival horror. Rambo is the enemy of survival horror.
???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is.lol the funny thing is thats what I call RE4/5 its rambo with parasites. Everytime you try to call this game a survival horror dude its not. Why cant you accept that fact? We all have. Im not saying it makes the game bad. Its just not like RE anymore. Also this tweaking of animation. Where was this when I was playing the demo. Animations look the exact same dude. Im a big RE fan and I know the way the serious went. Its an action shooter now. Just suck it up and accept it.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is.Your signature is pretty much proof its not survival horror. Rambo is the enemy of survival horror.
finalfantasy94
lol the funny thing is thats what I call RE4/5 its rambo with parasites. Everytime you try to call this game a survival horror dude its not. Why cant you accept that fact? We all have. Im not saying it makes the game bad. Its just not like RE anymore. Also this tweaking of animation. Where was this when I was playing the demo. Animations look the exact same dude. Im a big RE fan and I know the way the serious went. Its an action shooter now. Just suck it up and accept it.
lol, because it isn't fact. but a hatefull opinion...the game is labelled a survival horror game. But NOW I SEE, since it isn't exacty like the previous BROKEN RE versions, it's automatically an action game. YEH RIGHT. i've explained my reasons with the 2nd last post.. PROVE me wrong. as for the animations, they have been improved upon, guess you haven't played RE4 in awhile..go back and see the difference.RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. Eyezonmii
Better then that crappy RE4 final boss. One of the biggest dissapointments in RE for me. Gears and Resistance 2 has HORRIFIC enimies. Doesint make it a survival horror. Also dude I judge games on defauglt difficulty. Since thats what the difficulty they are meant to be played on. So far RE4 had more then enough ammo and after playing RE5 I see the same thing.
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] Yes i can, play RE4 on pro, PLAY the RE5 demo...better yet, wait until its released to fully judge it. EyezonmiiWhy don't you do the same thing. :? you serious? i'm not the one claiming something isn't this, when the game isn't out. I've well addressed the game from the demo and what it is. Most of you go by video's and screen shots. What i mean by it is that, the game is suppose to have much darker and HARDER levels, something we have yet to see. spin it all you want, but RE5 is a surival horror, its labelled that and it simply is that. Common sense. Lol I played the demo when it was first released and it's defianetly not a survival horror game. Believe what you want and ignore all the other posters telling you the same thing I am. :?
RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. Eyezonmii
Have you by chance ever played Condemned: Criminal Origins or System Shock 2?
There is no substantial debate about the "horror" aspect of RE4 and 5... its the "survival" aspect. Horror is usually defined by anxiety and disturbing violence. Which is only made worse by the survival aspect.
Plus... the base shotgun can down entire crowds of Ganados... I wouldn't exactly call that "tough."
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] ???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is. Eyezonmii
Yes it does. The steroid freak they made out chris to be is a factor.
lol, so his superhuman now? you don't use weapons to play the game, just strength?How big the player is vs. how big the enemy is plays a factor.
RE3: Jill experienced the horrors of the mansion already. She was familiar with the horror already. So what did they do? did they play an RE4/5 and make her have an all out war against the zombies? Did she act tough and think she could take anything on? No.
Story plays a part in survival horror too: She is shown to be genuinely scared of the threat, and relieved to be alive. And not only that, Nemesis is paired against her and is essentially portrayed to be "bigger" than she is, although her brave determination allows her to conquer her tormenter.
If RE5 is anything like RE4, the problems in the game he has to face will be portrayed as a cake walk for him.
*Note: The "Normal" Mode in the USA ver is actually suppsoed to be the rookie mode, as it was in the Japanese ver as "LITE" in which the player is even informed what things are before playing.
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] ???? only made it due to his SIZE...which has NO effect on what the game is. Eyezonmii
lol the funny thing is thats what I call RE4/5 its rambo with parasites. Everytime you try to call this game a survival horror dude its not. Why cant you accept that fact? We all have. Im not saying it makes the game bad. Its just not like RE anymore. Also this tweaking of animation. Where was this when I was playing the demo. Animations look the exact same dude. Im a big RE fan and I know the way the serious went. Its an action shooter now. Just suck it up and accept it.
lol, because it isn't fact. but a hatefull opinion...the game is labelled a survival horror game. But NOW I SEE, since it isn't exacty like the previous BROKEN RE versions, it's automatically an action game. YEH RIGHT. i've explained my reasons with the 2nd last post.. PROVE me wrong. as for the animations, they have been improved upon, guess you haven't played RE4 in awhile..go back and see the difference.Not really. Remember the orginal way RE4 was going to be. i had great horror atmosphere from what I saw adn the control sceme and camra was pretty much how RE is today. I cant "prove" since you wont accept anything. its like talking to a brick wall. No animations have not appread. I have played and beaten RE4 multiple times and remember the animations. I saw like 1 new animation in 5. I love how you use the word hatefull. Where did I say I hate the game? I still like RE even though its just a shooter now. I will most likely get 5 since it is still a good and fun game.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. foxhound_fox
Have you by chance ever played Condemned: Criminal Origins or System Shock 2?
There is no substantial debate about the "horror" aspect of RE4 and 5... its the "survival" aspect. Horror is usually defined by anxiety and disturbing violence. Which is only made worse by the survival aspect.
Plus... the base shotgun can down entire crowds of Ganados... I wouldn't exactly call that "tough."
The Ganado are almost people. They certainly act like people. When horror has people vs. people, the person who is being attacked is always unarmed or barely.
Meanwhile, in RE4 Leon had a full arsenal.
Btw, you hit the bold part on th emark.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. finalfantasy94
Better then that crappy RE4 final boss. One of the biggest dissapointments in RE for me. Gears and Resistance 2 has HORRIFIC enimies. Doesint make it a survival horror. Also dude I judge games on defauglt difficulty. Since thats what the difficulty they are meant to be played on. So far RE4 had more then enough ammo and after playing RE5 I see the same thing.
Gears and Resistance didn't have the mood, atmosphere or enemies that would be considered remotly SCARY or Tense filled. Thanks to the gameplay, dialog, story...the games are purely an action war shooter. you could blast through those games so easily, even on the hardest difficulty...(i've done it) RE4 is simply different, More tension, weapons are less powerfull, can't move and shoot (reserves tension) ammo depletes quicker, enemies are much more freaky and harder to kill. (see parasite dogs, regenerators, flying creatures, etc) then again, your a retro RE fan, who hates RE in its current form, no point in debating, you'll find any excuse, since your blinded by rage. lol just play RE4 on pro and come back to me. The classic re's were just as easy if not easier, IMO...and thats on the standard difficulty. you make NO sense.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. foxhound_fox
Have you by chance ever played Condemned: Criminal Origins or System Shock 2?
There is no substantial debate about the "horror" aspect of RE4 and 5... its the "survival" aspect. Horror is usually defined by anxiety and disturbing violence. Which is only made worse by the survival aspect.
Plus... the base shotgun can down entire crowds of Ganados... I wouldn't exactly call that "tough." another person who hasn't played the RE5 demo, nor RE4 on pro. So a game is considered survival horror if the elemets or the game, are DISTURBING, ANXIETY? lol, some RE4 BOTH HAS. i think people have forgotten RE4 and what the game actually had. RE4 survival aspect: 1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. CHECK! 2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. 3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety. 4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
And your just blind, period. Im a big RE fan. RE2 is one of my favourite games of all time. Yet i dont hate RE4 its one of my favourite games of last gen, and RE5 is my most anticipated game this year. Even i can tell you that its not survival horror, so just end the argument here because you are wrong, and thats all there is to it. -DrRobotnik-so you claim its not, yet... 1, have you played demo? 2. didn't back it up with reasons. 3. define survival and HORROR..and how RE5 isn't it. 4. the GAME IS HORROR, due to the enemies, atmosphere. don't know how people are so close minded and pass false opinions as facts. gsus.
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. Eyezonmii
Better then that crappy RE4 final boss. One of the biggest dissapointments in RE for me. Gears and Resistance 2 has HORRIFIC enimies. Doesint make it a survival horror. Also dude I judge games on defauglt difficulty. Since thats what the difficulty they are meant to be played on. So far RE4 had more then enough ammo and after playing RE5 I see the same thing.
Gears and Resistance didn't have the mood, atmosphere or enemies that would be considered remotly SCARY or Tense filled. Thanks to the gameplay, dialog, story...the games are purely an action war shooter. you could blast through those games so easily, even on the hardest difficulty...(i've done it) RE4 is simply different, More tension, weapons are less powerfull, can't move and shoot (reserves tension) ammo depletes quicker, enemies are much more freaky and harder to kill. (see parasite dogs, regenerators, flying creatures, etc) then again, your a retro RE fan, who hates RE in its current form, no point in debating, you'll find any excuse, since your blinded by rage. lol just play RE4 on pro and come back to me. The classic re's were just as easy if not easier, IMO...and thats on the standard difficulty. you make NO sense.Neither did 4. Im sorry if you find crazy spanish people scary. I didint find RE4 difficult at all. Game was a breez. Only time I died was the QTE. Mainly cause I played for so long I was sleepy and reaction wasint all that good. RE4 felt like wave and wave of people. Very action orianted gameplay. Enimies harder to kill IDK about that. Maybe takes a little bit more bullets. I do agree that aim and no move adds some difficulty in a good way. Your asking me to play on pro to get a harder experiance. WELL NO DUH its hard mode for a reason. Again I judge games on default difficulty since thats the way it was meant to be played. I make perfect sense. Your just blinded by your hate of the old RE games. Theres a difference While I dont liek where RE went I still enjoy the games. You just flat out hate the old games.
I read the first line in your post then saw your sig and started laughing.
Anyways, it's not survival horror. By your definition, Gears 2 and just about every other shooter is survival horror too then.
And honestly, it shouldn't matter to you. As long as the game is good and fun I don't care what people call it.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]RE4 had more HORRIFIC enemies and atmosphere, than the classic RE's....(wow a empty mansion) The regenerators, simply kill any classic RE villian in terms of sheer fright and tension, the game is also LONGER and if played on pro...HARDER. I can't count the many times when i was out of AMMO for one part, when you get swarmed by the enemies. Just because it has a new perspective, able to by weapons...doesn't make it a full action game. LOL. it just a term made up to bash the game. the classic RE's weren't even scary, unless you found errir music or empty mansion scary...god sakes, one of the bosses was a PLANT. Eyezonmii
Have you by chance ever played Condemned: Criminal Origins or System Shock 2?
There is no substantial debate about the "horror" aspect of RE4 and 5... its the "survival" aspect. Horror is usually defined by anxiety and disturbing violence. Which is only made worse by the survival aspect.
Plus... the base shotgun can down entire crowds of Ganados... I wouldn't exactly call that "tough." another person who hasn't played the RE5 demo, nor RE4 on pro. So a game is considered survival horror if the elemets or the game, are DISTURBING, ANXIETY? lol, some RE4 BOTH HAS. i think people have forgotten RE4 and what the game actually had. RE4 survival aspect: 1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. CHECK! 2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. 3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety. 4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill. Survival =/= difficulty. I dont know where youre getting that from. PGR4 is very hard on Platinum, does that make it a survival racing game? No. RE4 goes further down the action path than it does the survival. Oh and btw, i think everyone agrees the RE games are horror, thats not the argument. Its the "survival" aspect.
Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT!
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT!
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT!
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT!
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]another person who hasn't played the RE5 demo, nor RE4 on pro. So a game is considered survival horror if the elemets or the game, are DISTURBING, ANXIETY? lol, some RE4 BOTH HAS. i think people have forgotten RE4 and what the game actually had. RE4 survival aspect: 1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. CHECK! 2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. 3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety. 4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill. Survival =/= difficulty. I dont know where youre getting that from. PGR4 is very hard on Platinum, does that make it a survival racing game? No. RE4 goes further down the action path than it does the survival. Oh and btw, i think everyone agrees the RE games are horror, thats not the argument. Its the "survival" aspect. So leon isn't trying to survive when saving ashley, his just taking her for a stroll in a nice peaceful village??? I laughed at you using PGR4 as a comeback....lol. What is the term SURVIVAL, Robotnik? tell us all...and don't use the reason i gave for RE4.
Have you by chance ever played Condemned: Criminal Origins or System Shock 2?
There is no substantial debate about the "horror" aspect of RE4 and 5... its the "survival" aspect. Horror is usually defined by anxiety and disturbing violence. Which is only made worse by the survival aspect.
Plus... the base shotgun can down entire crowds of Ganados... I wouldn't exactly call that "tough."-DrRobotnik-
and srsly, using a car game..( a NON SHOOTER) to describe survival, when the goal is to win a race, is the most SILLIEST thing i have even encountered. and shows me just what kinda of close minded people come to systemwars.
good going.
Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT! And? So you're saying if Iplay on a harder difficulty the game gets harder? Shocked!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT! Yup, like every other shooter.
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT! GoW official survival horror.
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT! Kinda like head shots?
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT! Like all other shooters?
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
Eyezonmii
You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
So leon isn't trying to survive when saving ashley, his just taking her for a stroll in a nice peaceful village??? I laughed at you using PGR4 as a comeback....lol. What is the term SURVIVAL, Robotnik? tell us all...and don't use the reason i gave for RE4. Eyezonmii
I merely applied your logic, so laugh on dude. Youre only laughing at yourself.
And im not quite sure there is a set definition for survival horror. The first RE games were all classed survival horror, and RE4 has changed quite a bit, showing a lot more similarities to action games out there, so common sense shows that its not in the same genre.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT! And? So you're saying if Iplay on a harder difficulty the game gets harder? Shocked!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT! Yup, like every other shooter.
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT! GoW official survival horror.
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT! Kinda like head shots?
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT! Like all other shooters?
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
Chutebox
You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
so wait, your coming to the conclusion that those reasons i've stated don't contribute to the term SURVIVAL...at all? are you serious? how is the survival aspect gone, and PLEASE name what made the classic RE's surival without using the points i have for RE4. btw, RE4/5 are HORROR.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] So leon isn't trying to survive when saving ashley, his just taking her for a stroll in a nice peaceful village??? I laughed at you using PGR4 as a comeback....lol. What is the term SURVIVAL, Robotnik? tell us all...and don't use the reason i gave for RE4. -DrRobotnik-
I merely applied your logic, so laugh on dude. Youre only laughing at yourself.
And im not quite sure there is a set definition for survival horror. The first RE games were all classed survival horror, and RE4 has changed quite a bit, showing a lot more similarities to action games out there, so common sense shows that its not in the same genre. lol, now you do a 180..so its what the game was originally classed, what happen to knowing the term SURVIVAL since your so SURE that RE4 isn't that even tho its CLASSED AS A SURVIVAL HORROR GAME. wow, just wow. common sense shows, that the surival horror, doesn't magically disappear, when the game has changed in perspective.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT! And? So you're saying if Iplay on a harder difficulty the game gets harder? Shocked!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT! Yup, like every other shooter.
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT! GoW official survival horror.
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT! Kinda like head shots?
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT! Like all other shooters?
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
Chutebox
You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
WOW that was easy.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT! And? So you're saying if Iplay on a harder difficulty the game gets harder? Shocked!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT! Yup, like every other shooter.
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT! GoW official survival horror.
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT! Kinda like head shots?
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT! Like all other shooters?
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
Eyezonmii
You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
so wait, your coming to the conclusion that those reasons i've stated don't contribute to the term SURVIVAL...at all? are you serious? how is the survival aspect gone, and PLEASE name what made the classic RE's surival without using the points i have for RE4. btw, RE4/5 are HORROR. Everything you listed, EVERYTHING is in shooters. Instead of running away and what not Chris is using shotguns, rocket launchers, grenade launchers etc to kill the infected humans. Wait...this sounds like R2 too... Once again, by your definition, almost all shooters are survival because you have to SURVIVE and not die.[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] So leon isn't trying to survive when saving ashley, his just taking her for a stroll in a nice peaceful village??? I laughed at you using PGR4 as a comeback....lol. What is the term SURVIVAL, Robotnik? tell us all...and don't use the reason i gave for RE4. Eyezonmii
I merely applied your logic, so laugh on dude. Youre only laughing at yourself.
And im not quite sure there is a set definition for survival horror. The first RE games were all classed survival horror, and RE4 has changed quite a bit, showing a lot more similarities to action games out there, so common sense shows that its not in the same genre. lol, now you do a 180..so its what the game was originally classed, what happen to knowing the term SURVIVAL since your so SURE that RE4 isn't that even tho its CLASSED AS A SURVIVAL HORROR GAME. wow, just wow. common sense shows, that the surival horror, doesn't magically disappear, when the game has changed in perspective. Its nothing to do with the change in perspective. Its more to do with the easy puzzles, abundance of health and ammo, large carrying capacity, linear progression, lack of lore and larger numbers of enemies making the game much more about action than exploration.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]so wait, your coming to the conclusion that those reasons i've stated don't contribute to the term SURVIVAL...at all? are you serious? how is the survival aspect gone, and PLEASE name what made the classic RE's surival without using the points i have for RE4. btw, RE4/5 are HORROR. Everything you listed, EVERYTHING is in shooters. Instead of running away and what not Chris is using shotguns, rocket launchers, grenade launchers etc to kill the infected humans. Wait...this sounds like R2 too... Once again, by your definition, almost all shooters are survival because you have to SURVIVE and not die. stop starling....where are the reason, i've kindly asked for? what makes the classic re's SURVIVAL HORROR..and what is your definition of it? remember, don't use my points. since they don't contribute to the term..lol. i'm waiting.You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
Chutebox
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]lol, now you do a 180..so its what the game was originally classed, what happen to knowing the term SURVIVAL since your so SURE that RE4 isn't that even tho its CLASSED AS A SURVIVAL HORROR GAME. wow, just wow. common sense shows, that the surival horror, doesn't magically disappear, when the game has changed in perspective. Its nothing to do with the change in perspective. Its more to do with the easy puzzles, abundance of health and ammo, large carrying capacity, linear progression, lack of lore and larger numbers of enemies making the game much more about action than exploration. whats puzzles got to do with surival? never got stuck doing the ashley puzzle? working out the graveyard puzzle?...thats laughable. health and ammo, was present in the classic titles, ammo would be lying around, yes RE4 moreso, but they gets depleted quickly, and RE4 isn't just a mindless shooter, you can't just use one gun and shoot through everything...(untill you've beatin it and then want to have some fun with the rocket launcher)..but with the way it suppose to be played, NO! Linear progression? Classic Re's were WORSE, lol. MORE enemies, added to the survival and tension..simple put, as one was being CHASED or HUNTED DOWN, re4 changed to a new look of fear.I merely applied your logic, so laugh on dude. Youre only laughing at yourself.
And im not quite sure there is a set definition for survival horror. The first RE games were all classed survival horror, and RE4 has changed quite a bit, showing a lot more similarities to action games out there, so common sense shows that its not in the same genre.-DrRobotnik-
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] so wait, your coming to the conclusion that those reasons i've stated don't contribute to the term SURVIVAL...at all? are you serious? how is the survival aspect gone, and PLEASE name what made the classic RE's surival without using the points i have for RE4. btw, RE4/5 are HORROR. EyezonmiiEverything you listed, EVERYTHING is in shooters. Instead of running away and what not Chris is using shotguns, rocket launchers, grenade launchers etc to kill the infected humans. Wait...this sounds like R2 too... Once again, by your definition, almost all shooters are survival because you have to SURVIVE and not die. stop starling....where are the reason, i've kindly asked for? what makes the classic re's SURVIVAL HORROR..and what is your definition of it? remember, don't use my points. since they don't contribute to the term..lol. i'm waiting. In classic RE games you were afraid there would be something around the corner waiting for you, or afraid something was going to come crashing in the window. You were always on the edge of your seat. You didn't have health laying around, a weapons seller at your disposal, you wanted to kill the zombies (yes, real zombies) with as little ammo as you could because you had a feeling and knew that you would run out. The classic RE games also had a certain mystery to them, it's hard to explain but it made the game much more about searching and finding clues or new ways to pass through the game. RE 4/5 all I see is ammo littered everywhere with health, the Drebin 893 of RE4, not sure if there is one in 5 though. No mystery at all, the magic is gone and so is the feeling that you have to conserve everything you have and sometimes much choose to run away from enemies instead of gunning though them all.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Untill someone shoots this down as NOT surival with proof, RE4/RE5 are considered SURIVAL HORROR GAMES...(its even labeled that by capcom..so go argue with them)
1, especially on pro, you can easily run out of ammo. FACT! And? So you're saying if Iplay on a harder difficulty the game gets harder? Shocked!
2.Enemies are aggressive and stay in packs...easily taken down if reloading at bad times or not using the right weapons. FACT! Yup, like every other shooter.
3. timed button sequences, relys on speed and quickness to survive...giving the player more tension and anxiety.FACT! GoW official survival horror.
4. REGENERATORS, require precise and accurate shots to the weak point to kill...tension and axiety can be felt as each shot missed gets you closer to death. etc etc. FACT! Kinda like head shots?
5. Game requires skill and stragedie to take down some opponents, using a knife of certain weapons....FACT! Like all other shooters?
Like i said....these among other gameplay elements make it s a SURVIVAL HORROR. games like condemned are so easy, as you can use anything as a weapon to kill.
People on systemwars don't even know the term SURIVAL AND HORROR.....AMAZING..then again, its a silly excuse to bash the game.
finalfantasy94
You see whre I'm going with this. A survival horror game usually won't have an emphasis on action/adventure like the new RE4/5 games do. They will be good, but survival horror they are not.
WOW that was easy.
to bad he doens't know that if one game has ONE of those elements i mentioned, it doesn't make it survival, its the combination of all of them that RE4 has, that adds to it. Survival as in keeping a live from the NIGHTMARE...still, no one can answer my question as to what made the classic RE's survival. Shame...all Bashing but no substance.[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Everything you listed, EVERYTHING is in shooters. Instead of running away and what not Chris is using shotguns, rocket launchers, grenade launchers etc to kill the infected humans. Wait...this sounds like R2 too... Once again, by your definition, almost all shooters are survival because you have to SURVIVE and not die.Chuteboxstop starling....where are the reason, i've kindly asked for? what makes the classic re's SURVIVAL HORROR..and what is your definition of it? remember, don't use my points. since they don't contribute to the term..lol. i'm waiting. In classic RE games you were afraid there would be something around the corner waiting for you, or afraid something was going to come crashing in the window. You were always on the edge of your seat. You didn't have health laying around, a weapons seller at your disposal, you wanted to kill the zombies (yes, real zombies) with as little ammo as you could because you had a feeling and knew that you would run out. The classic RE games also had a certain mystery to them, it's hard to explain but it made the game much more about searching and finding clues or new ways to pass through the game. RE 4/5 all I see is ammo littered everywhere with health, the Drebin 893 of RE4, not sure if there is one in 5 though. No mystery at all, the magic is gone and so is the feeling that you have to conserve everything you have and sometimes much choose to run away from enemies instead of gunning though them all. 1. The around the corner cheap scare added nothing to the classic titles, unless you were 12 (they were cheaply done)....there was very little of it, hell RE4's OVEN MAN, killed them all. SO did the caged Parasite dogs, not knowing when they would break out. You're pretty much proving my point of survival....keep going. 2. always at the edge of your seat, Please, nothing was dramatic enough to cause that, on your seat suspence is when your getting chased by a chainsaw maniac and stalked by villages and a regenerator, that doesn't die by just shooting it in the head. 3. health and weaponry layed around in the classic titles, less of it, but around the corner would be herbs and certain rooms bullets....RE4 can easily deplete them with the amount of enemies at one time....adding to survival and needing to use stragedy. all those weapon/ammo feelings can be found in RE4, considering it was a harder game. 4. the explorations of the dark mansion had a great mood setting and atmosphere..but far from scary, it was tense filled YES, but again, RE4 does this to more extreme levels, thanks to its more realistic scares. 5. you couldn't buy ammo from the merchent in RE4, just weapons..but not all at once, new ones would be unlocked as you progress. Magic isn't gone as the game didn't change, because of it. Money was a factor and so was surival, play and beat krauser, the bits when you needed to find keys to progress, but hard to due to having 10 las plagues chases you, with a machine gun maniac shooting at the same time...if that isn't surival what is?
[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Everything you listed, EVERYTHING is in shooters. Instead of running away and what not Chris is using shotguns, rocket launchers, grenade launchers etc to kill the infected humans. Wait...this sounds like R2 too... Once again, by your definition, almost all shooters are survival because you have to SURVIVE and not die.Chuteboxstop starling....where are the reason, i've kindly asked for? what makes the classic re's SURVIVAL HORROR..and what is your definition of it? remember, don't use my points. since they don't contribute to the term..lol. i'm waiting. In classic RE games you were afraid there would be something around the corner waiting for you, or afraid something was going to come crashing in the window. You were always on the edge of your seat. You didn't have health laying around, a weapons seller at your disposal, you wanted to kill the zombies (yes, real zombies) with as little ammo as you could because you had a feeling and knew that you would run out. The classic RE games also had a certain mystery to them, it's hard to explain but it made the game much more about searching and finding clues or new ways to pass through the game. RE 4/5 all I see is ammo littered everywhere with health, the Drebin 893 of RE4, not sure if there is one in 5 though. No mystery at all, the magic is gone and so is the feeling that you have to conserve everything you have and sometimes much choose to run away from enemies instead of gunning though them all.
Well I think you hit it. Again RE4 felt like wave and wave of enimies you were expecting in the next room. There was no surprise or fear. RE4 you gain an arsinal very quickly and as you say with the Drebin of RE4 there was no worries at all.
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