Let's squash this myth that PC gaming isnt much more expensive than consoles.

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#401 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

PS2 launched right around the time DVD players were beginning to pickup steam.... it was actually rather perfectly timed as a substitute stand alone dvd player. Was one of the major reasons i bought one... i needed a dvd player at the time.

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yes i know but later all pretty much everyone got a standalone anyway when they were $100 bucks or less. i don't know anyone that had a ps2 that didn't have a stand alone dvd player well before the ps3 even came out. it's much less likely that a gamer with a gaming pc will buy another crappy pc to use as his main computer.

alot of people have multiple dvd players... doesnt mean the PS2 didnt save them from an otherwise $200 dvd player purchase at the time.

EDIT: and honestly i have always kept a 2nd older pc functional, usually its just my outdated last pc though... if my main PC goes down, i need something as backup. and yes this is the compromise to the hermits wanting to only include only gaming upgrades to a PC in cost... they have to recognize the cost saving functions of the consoles as well.

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#402 markinthedark
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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="roxlimn"]If so, then PCs should also deduct the cost for BluRay player and DVD players, since they can also act as those. Still no relative gain for console costing.roxlimn

DVD as a format didnt pick up steam on PC until much later than the PS2. Im not even sure it was possible to connect a PC to a tv at the time.. which is why people wanted stand alone players... to watch movies on their tv.

.... and none of the PC builds i see floating around ever have blu ray drives included... so its safe to say that price is naturally deduced.

First argument, invalid. In the current generation there is no difference between PS3 and PC as far as DVD playback is concerned. If the cost is deducted off a PS3, it should also be deducted off a PC. You have a point about the BluRay, but what about the 360 that doesn't play BluRay? And what of the other functions? Having Google Maps on hand means that you basically have a detailed street map of every city worldwide. Shall we deduct the cost of several stacks of citymap volumes, to start?

watching dvds in the living room with your family is a different experience than watching movies huddled around a computer desk with your family... i think its safe to say they serve different purposes. Not to mention alot of people skipped right over the dvd drive step on PCs and jumped straight to DVR drives... i know i did.

now you are just getting ridiculous with the google maps stuff.

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#403 roxlimn
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Not at all. We're talking functionality here. All those functions are things for which people use comps in lieu of other devices. It sounds ridiculous to you because you don't use your PC as a media hub, and apparently didn't know that you can connect a PC to an HDTV just fine, but it's perfectly sensible nontheless. Heck, I don't even print my pics anymore. Just turn on the comp and display on the HDTV. You can even slide-show it with music and stuff. Deduct cost for albums as well? There's more stuff a normal, garden variety PC will do that consoles can't, and if we're going to start going down that route, you're just going to find the contest even more lopsided.
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#404 markinthedark
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Not at all. We're talking functionality here. All those functions are things for which people use comps in lieu of other devices. It sounds ridiculous to you because you don't use your PC as a media hub, and apparently didn't know that you can connect a PC to an HDTV just fine, but it's perfectly sensible nontheless. Heck, I don't even print my pics anymore. Just turn on the comp and display on the HDTV. You can even slide-show it with music and stuff. Deduct cost for albums as well? There's more stuff a normal, garden variety PC will do that consoles can't, and if we're going to start going down that route, you're just going to find the contest even more lopsided.roxlimn

here we go again, just making stuff up.... the PC im typing on right now is connected to my HDTV. But again, why bother with itsy bitsy facts like that. Sometimes you will seem reasonable, then all of a sudden you will just make some wild baseless allegation like that. I think you are reading imaginary posts of mine that dont exist.

and i thought we were only considering the increase of price between a non gaming PC over 10 years vs keeping a gaming pc rig over ten yers.

so this example assume we have a regular old PC... thus things like google maps dont really hold water.

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#405 roxlimn
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markinthedark: If you knew that your PC could be connected to your TV, then why would you assume that the family is watching DVDs off a computer desk? Either you didn't know, or you are willfully misrepresenting PC capabilities. Google maps will present fine on a 3800+ today, and they would have done fine on a Celeron back in the day. I've done it, so I know it's true. As for keeping a gaming rig over time, that really depends on the timing of your upgrades. If you choose cutting-edge upgrades at the worst possible times, then you're going to out a lotta money for marginal gains. As I said, I only uipgraded 2 years ago, and I spent only about $300. That would amount to upgrades over 7 years use, and only because my PC parts were successively failing from fatigue. Right now, I'm on a dual core 5800+ and it runs most games perfectly fine.
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#406 markinthedark
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markinthedark: If you knew that your PC could be connected to your TV, then why would you assume that the family is watching DVDs off a computer desk? Either you didn't know, or you are willfully misrepresenting PC capabilities. Google maps will present fine on a 3800+ today, and they would have done fine on a Celeron back in the day. I've done it, so I know it's true. As for keeping a gaming rig over time, that really depends on the timing of your upgrades. If you choose cutting-edge upgrades at the worst possible times, then you're going to out a lotta money for marginal gains. As I said, I only uipgraded 2 years ago, and I spent only about $300. That would amount to upgrades over 7 years use, and only because my PC parts were successively failing from fatigue. Right now, I'm on a dual core 5800+ and it runs most games perfectly fine.roxlimn

i said i didnt know if you could hookup a pc to a tv back in the year 2000. When people were buying stand alone dvd players.

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#407 Brainkiller05
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It's more expensive but it's better.

A PS2 is cheaper than a PS3, doesn't mean we should all run out and buy PS2s.

@ The discussion about hdtvs; lets face it, the reason you have a 42" HDTV is because of your 360 or PS3 - don't even bother lying to yourself.

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#408 markinthedark
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It's more expensive but it's better. A PS2 is cheaper than a PS3, doesn't mean we should all run out and buy PS2s. And lets face it, the reason you have a 42" HDTV is because of your 360or PS3 - don't even bother lying to yourself. Brainkiller05

actually i planned on PC gaming exclusively this gen.

The only reason i bought a 360 is because i bought a new HDTV and wanted something to test out the HD capabilities.

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#409 roxlimn
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[QUOTE="roxlimn"]markinthedark: If you knew that your PC could be connected to your TV, then why would you assume that the family is watching DVDs off a computer desk? Either you didn't know, or you are willfully misrepresenting PC capabilities. Google maps will present fine on a 3800+ today, and they would have done fine on a Celeron back in the day. I've done it, so I know it's true. As for keeping a gaming rig over time, that really depends on the timing of your upgrades. If you choose cutting-edge upgrades at the worst possible times, then you're going to out a lotta money for marginal gains. As I said, I only uipgraded 2 years ago, and I spent only about $300. That would amount to upgrades over 7 years use, and only because my PC parts were successively failing from fatigue. Right now, I'm on a dual core 5800+ and it runs most games perfectly fine.markinthedark

i said i didnt know if you could hookup a pc to a tv back in the year 2000. When people were buying stand alone dvd players.

You could. You could before then.
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#410 roxlimn
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It's more expensive but it's better.

A PS2 is cheaper than a PS3, doesn't mean we should all run out and buy PS2s.

@ The discussion about hdtvs; lets face it, the reason you have a 42" HDTV is because of your 360 or PS3 - don't even bother lying to yourself.

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Actually, I have one because of my PC. My PC can display in true HD resolutions, and it upscales DVDs better than my PS3 can. Of course, I generally have the files in-memory as well so I don't have to load the disks.
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#411 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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while I do consider PC gaming the more expencive, this thread is atleast mildly retarted, ive never seen anyone who did not buy any accecories to thier console, which frankly is needed, there was a thread on the forums not long ago that hit the area of 700 $ in average for the console hardware alone, most of which were bought within the last 2 years.

Also games are always more expencive on consoles, dismissing it because it does not suit your point that consoles are by far cheaper, because as soon as we add the usage of said console the price skyrockets... brilliant thing to dismiss, and while console games do get on sale, they will never reach the price of pc games on sale.

For the fun of the arguement ill try calculatin what Ive spent on console and PC the last 10 years (I have no clue why the TC wants it to be 12, since it will be more expencive for the, console since console + gamepad and games will be added onto the pile.

Where I live there is a pretty high tax on electronic hardware btw, dont get shocked over teh high numbers for both.

PC: year 2000 (900 $) PC 2006 (1600 $), PC games (funny thing they work nomatter age or pc unlike console games) games: 6400$on games on average (12 games per year the last 10 years, as I said high tax).

New mouse once, 70$

Same Keyboard

Overall price: 8970$ (and yes taxes are cruel -.-)

None of the PCs have been upgraded since (my PGU was fried in the new one, but it was withing warrinty of eVGA)

Total cost

Console: 360 at launch 700$, extra controler 60$ (those alone made the xbox nearly as expencive as a PC was at the time)

PS3 (Xbox died):800$ , was the fat 60 gig model. extra controler, 71,2 $ 12 games per year 4800$

PS2 299$ and extra controler back then 60$ 12 games per year for 5 years the normal concole cycle up till then)years averaging in at 6000$

We disreguard the 360, since it was a fault, and before the warrinty was put on it, so we have 2 Pplaystations each with an extra controler, and our bare minimum except the games, which for those 2 consoles runs up in. : 10800$

Well what a shock -.- Granted the consoles are more expencive here then in the US, however while it is common sense that a console always have the lowest entry fee, but the upkeep of it, will surpass the PC along the lines.

In the US it would be something like 299+600 + 40+60 bucks for the playstation hardwareof the two generations, adding up to: around 999$ before any games are in the picture. Which is quite decent for 10 years of hardware.

thePCs would be around 1400$ for around 10 years worth of PC Usage, not really bad, but worse then the console.

Then after that just do the math on how many years if you (like me, buy around 12 games per year for the pc, and for the console currently in use)

Most of us buy the games at launch, you do not have to look forther for that fact then this site or any review sites to tell you that, so you will save around 120$ per year over the consoles upkeep, so after 4 years the PC will become the cheaper option :S basicly if you have a PC longer then 4 years it will end up cheaper.

And Sure we could add console game sales to the mix, but on the PC we would add steam, and yes pc would still be cheaper in upkeep.

So it depends, If you buy a console and rarely if ever buy games (below 6 per year) then it will be the cheapest through the standard 5 year console lifespan. Then a console is the cheaper

If you plan on buying more then 12 games per year, then the PC will be the creaper investment after 4 years or so (and the fact that you never need the headache of having a bunch of games you can not play from your earlier consoles) like with my NES and Sega -.- (the NES works tho :P)

and for the heck of it, it is still more expencive to rent out buy used console games then buying DD deals -.-

Ofcourse this rather lenghty post will be ignored because it does not fit the image the TC tryies to create with his post, and I urge people to take an economics class, before debating this, this is like asking what car is cheapest... If you never drive it, and disreguardfuel consumption

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#412 edinsftw
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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Have you tried using an ancient PC in this day and age, compared to a relatively fast one? New Office software is more powerful then Word 97. :P

lundy86_4

Have you tried using a single-core since the inception of dual's? I had to stick more RAM in my GF's parents comp... Let's just say, this thing went slower than a hedgehog stuck in a mud-pit.

Mmmm i have a P4 @ 3.8 and its faster and smoother than a dual core thats below 2.8

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#413 Kinthalis
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Tom's Hardware just released their 3 PC gaming builds. Look at the $400 build's benchmarks. Modern Warfare 2 at a full 1080p with 4x AA, high detail settings and running at 50 fps. WAY BETTER than what any of the consoles do (600p, medium detail settings, 30 fps).

For $400. Who says console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming?

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#414 xsubtownerx
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I agree fully tc. Some fanboys wont admit it, but its the fact. The only cost effective thing on pc is steam.kipohippo021
Even Steam is not all that cost effective. For the most part, everything is the same price as retail.
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#415 Mystic-G
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Tom's Hardware just released their 3 PC gaming builds. Look at the $400 build's benchmarks. Modern Warfare 2 at a full 1080p with 4x AA, high detail settings and running at 50 fps. WAY BETTER than what any of the consoles do (600p, medium detail settings, 30 fps).

For $400. Who says console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming?

Kinthalis

Actually consoles run CoD at 600p at 60fps. From what I've heard anyway. But that's not to downplay that build any, that's quite nice. It actually should be considered a $500 rig though considering many people would end up having to buy an OS aswell.

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I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

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#417 xsubtownerx
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I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

AdrianWerner
I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.
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#418 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

xsubtownerx

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

I love how they think that PC parts are priced exactly the same in every country on earth.

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#419 Birdy09
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

xsubtownerx

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

Why would we care about them? we are on an enthusiasts forum for gaming, dont give a damn if ignorant people go in and buy a £1000 PC that cant do crap, that doesnt mean the much cheaper option doesnt exist and is relativly easy for anyone that passed high school.... or hell prior to that.

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#420 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

xsubtownerx

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

Which any electronic store will build it for you for a small fee.

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#421 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

waltefmoney

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

I love how they think that PC parts are priced exactly the same in every country on earth.

Just like how a console is priced exactly the same in every country on earth.

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#422 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

xsubtownerx

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

I don't. However just because you go and pay somebody to build your rig or even buy pre-build one doesn't mean it pcgaming on such machine still can't end up beeing cheaper than console one. There are a lot more variables in play then prices of hardware in one country.

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#423 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I love how the only way console fanboys can "prove" pc gaming is so expensive is assume the very best situation for console side and absolutely worst one for pc one...and then when people try to show them it's not always like that they just cover their ears, close their eyes and sing lalalal.

waltefmoney

I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.

I love how they think that PC parts are priced exactly the same in every country on earth.

Or how they think console and pc games are priced exactly the same in every country or earth or that the price difference between those stays exactly the same no matter which country you live in. It's hilarious :D

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#424 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I think I love more the PC fanboys assuming everyone who PC games can actually build their own rigs to get the low prices a lot of them speak of.AdrianWerner

I love how they think that PC parts are priced exactly the same in every country on earth.

Or how they think console and pc games are priced exactly the same in every country or earth or that the price difference between those stays exactly the same no matter which country you live in. It's hilarious :D

Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

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#425 skrat_01
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Wow this thread is huge. So what did I miss, anything out of the ordinary?
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#426 Mograine
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Wow this thread is huge. So what did I miss, anything out of the ordinary?skrat_01

Nope, same old bs about PCs being more expensive while selectively leaving out relevant factors.

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#427 SwagSurf
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Why do PC threads get over 200+ comments? I really dont understand why people get so furious over stupid posts :|

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#428 SakusEnvoy
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and for the heck of it, it is still more expencive to rent out buy used console games then buying DD deals -.-

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The big advantage of renting to me is that a game can usually be rented close to launch. The same isn't true for a Steam or D2D DD sale. And while renting ($9) can be more expensive than the really cheap Steam deals (like the $5 ones), there are more cost effective ways to rent than paying $9 every time you want to play a game. Like with Blockbuster's new "Rent Games By Mail" [link], you can pay a flat fee of $9 and rent out an unlimited amount of games per month. If you happen to have the free time to do it, I could imagine getting through 6+ games a month this way on $9. Obviously nothing beats true ownership though, and Steam is awesome, but I really don't need to own all the PC games I actually own. There's a ton of them I'll never touch again after finishing.

But I'm quoting something that specifically is only available in America, so perhaps that is a problem.

As was pointed out before, last generation launch games were the same price across PC and console (again, at least in America). I do wonder how long the price disparity for software will last.

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#429 Mograine
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Why do PC threads get over 200+ comments? I really dont understand why people get so furious over stupid posts :|

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This is System Wars.

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#430 Nyuuuu
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:roll: I'd rather have a Bugatti Veyron then a Toyota Prius. /THREAD.

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#431 AdrianWerner
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Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

xsubtownerx

what's hilarious is you thinking it's possible in every country to shop around for console games to get them at the same price as pc games or cheaper . It's not.

Plus I guess I could also shop around for low pc hardware, making the whole argument of console fanbous void

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#432 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

AdrianWerner

what's hilarious is you thinking it's possible in every country to shop around for console games to get them at the same price as pc games or cheaper . It's not.

Plus I guess I could also shop around for low pc hardware, making the whole argument of console fanbous void

The whole PC gamer's argument that PCs are just as cheap (or almost as cheap) as consoles is based on finding deals for the hardware.
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

xsubtownerx

what's hilarious is you thinking it's possible in every country to shop around for console games to get them at the same price as pc games or cheaper . It's not.

Plus I guess I could also shop around for low pc hardware, making the whole argument of console fanbous void

The whole PC gamer's argument that PCs are just as cheap (or almost as cheap) as consoles is based on finding deals for the hardware.

Aka go to newegg if you are american with a budget over 500$.
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#434 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

xsubtownerx

what's hilarious is you thinking it's possible in every country to shop around for console games to get them at the same price as pc games or cheaper . It's not.

Plus I guess I could also shop around for low pc hardware, making the whole argument of console fanbous void

The whole PC gamer's argument that PCs are just as cheap (or almost as cheap) as consoles is based on finding deals for the hardware.

Mine doesn't.

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#435 Eggimannd
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Not nearly as hilarious as PC gamers assuming console gamers can't shop around for games to either get them at the same price as PC games or cheaper. :shock:

xsubtownerx

what's hilarious is you thinking it's possible in every country to shop around for console games to get them at the same price as pc games or cheaper . It's not.

Plus I guess I could also shop around for low pc hardware, making the whole argument of console fanbous void

The whole PC gamer's argument that PCs are just as cheap (or almost as cheap) as consoles is based on finding deals for the hardware.

I thought it was based on games being much cheaper through services such as steam :?

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#436 WardCleaver02
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You pay more you get more.

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I think this statement sums it up perfectly.