lol... ok ok wait a minute.. why are cows still using XBLG as a bash towards XB?

I guess cows are gonna have to get used to paying $60 for PS4 titles and only getting half the game :D

50$/years>60$/yearsilversix_

I guess cows are gonna have to get used to paying $60 for PS4 titles and only getting half the game :D

RR360DD

PS+ is a much better deal than XBL. 

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

I guess cows are gonna have to get used to paying $60 for PS4 titles and only getting half the game :D

Heil68

I can't wait to start paying for some online PSN gaming

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

I guess cows are gonna have to get used to paying $60 for PS4 titles and only getting half the game :D

RR360DD

I can't wait to start paying for some online PSN gaming

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Those have both been on sale on PC for as low as $5 AND I'm still not forced to pay for them.-RocBoys9489-

PS+ is a much better deal than XBL. 

Wasdie

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Let me state this just incase you may have missed it during E3..

 

YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR ONLINE GAMING ON THE PS4!!!

I don't care what extra "perks" or variables you add to the equation.. you're still paying to play online. Take your ramrod like men and find something else to bash..like the 24 hr check in or DRM.

Gargus

The reason XBLG is being used to bash microsoft is many. The problem with XBLG and PS+ isnt that you have to pay to play online, it is what you have to pay for, why you have to pay and the value of paying for one company vs. another one.

XBLG was bashed up till recently because microsoft was making you pay for things all of their competition was giving you for free. Now sony is charging but what they charge for and the value they give you makes XBLG look just really sad and pathetic for a pay service, and the PC still has free online access to everything. So basically microsoft is being treated so poorly over this mess because they have failed on a massive scale to deliver any kind of value to their customers in the face of the competition or even do a single thing that treats paying customers like they are important or mean anything. Microsofts and xbox one and xbox live gold all seem to have one mantra F*** you, pay me" and nothing else. So their ire is well deserved.

1) Microsoft is making it so you cant even use your netflix account unless you pay for XBLG.

PS4 you can use netflix, hulu, media apps and everything online that doesnt involve playing a game online for free.

2) Microsoft has been promoting world of tanks as a free to play game. But its an online game, they make you buy XBLG in order to play it making it not free to play at all.

Sony has stated all games on PS4 that are free to play will truly be free to play. Warframe, dc universe online, and planetside will be playable without ever having to pay to subscribe to PS+ because sony said it wasnt fair to call it free to play then charge people. So you dont need a PS+ account to play free online games.

3) XBL, if you dont have it you cant use your console. This includes half of the countries in the world. So millions of people who would want to buy a XB1 cant if they dont have XBL in their country to register their system.

PS4 works anywhere, anytime, in the world because it does not require an online account for any reason to enjoy the system.

4) XBLG costs 60 dollars a year.

PS+ costs 50 dollars a year.

5) XBLG gives you 2 free games a month.

PS+ gives you 18 games instantly, 5 new games a month, discounts on the PSN store, online game save backups, full game trials, beta access, the PS+ account will be accesible on all 3 of sonys systems and more.

So all the bashing comes from the people who feel microsoft is charging more for way way way less than their competion and they arent treating customers like they matter at all while their competition does more for less or are just free.

QFT

#sonycares

Not to push your buttons, but that has yet to be completely confirmed. Totally up to the publisher if they want the F2P game to only be available through PSN subscription. There may be a couple cases where the developers has said otherwise, but still online is no longer free. I the OP has a valid point. Sony fanboys used free online as a defence towards Xbox fanboys. Now even if the price is lower, it is no longer free.

been payin for psplus for 2 years and my current membership doesnt expire till 2015 so im good.. best service ive ever paid for and i was a live member for 4 years.

been payin for psplus for 2 years and my current membership doesnt expire till 2015 so im good.. best service ive ever paid for and i was a live member for 4 years.

CDWJUSTIN

I know people have to pay to play online on PS4. Thanks to F'n idiotic MS for bringing on this anti consumer way. 

What has XBox Live given any of you?

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Spin it all you like cow. You're still paying to play online cause they're not adding any games that they wouldn't have released if you didn't have to pay for online play. Jonwh18

 

 

 

What has XBox Live given any of you?

Shewgenja

NOW WHAT? HUH HUH HUH!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What has XBox Live given any of you?

Shewgenja

I got into a free beta test for a xbox live dashboard update.

Let me state this just incase you may have missed it during E3..

 

YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR ONLINE GAMING ON THE PS4!!! 

I don't care what extra "perks" or variables you add to the equation.. you're still paying to play online.  Take your ramrod like men and find something else to bash..like the 24 hr check in or DRM. 

OhSnapitz

 

 

 

What has XBox Live given any of you?

Shewgenja

Doesn't matter, cows are getting locked out of multiplayer unless they cough up the money. When they spend $60 on a PS4 titles, they're only getting half the game.

These are the exact same arguments cows have used against lems for the past 10 years. Please stop being such a hypocrit ;)

Paying for online sucks but now that both the PS4 and Xbone are charging for online I'm getting the one with the superior online service, the PS4.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 

 

 

What has XBox Live given any of you?

campzor

NOW WHAT? HUH HUH HUH!

ITT: butt-ass hurt xbots

We are bashing flemmy lemmys because for a decade you have been paying for online and got nothing in return except cross chat and pizza ordering. Us cows have had this on the house with only he console and game to pay. Now that we have to get ps+ we still end up paying less than you, get games on the house every month and no crappy DRM. Gt that into your head Lem.razu2444

Ok, Xbone games you dont own, you pay $60 or so to "rent" the game for whole generation and when XboxTwo come all your xbone games stop working.

aroxx_ab

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] and Microsoft started charging people back when no one else charged for online and they are a rich company. Some may fell some cows are hypocrites but it's kinda stupid for lemmings to bash them for something they've been doing for years. Now its simply a discussion based on who has more to offer to consumers and PSN+ is quite a compelling subscription. kinectthedots

The point is XBL was never worth the asking price MSput on the service while restriction basic online play access. That is the point, and the crutial difference between PSN and XBL is even when Sony offered basic online play completely free of charge people still went out and bought PS+ becuase it was actually worth paying for.

That is the biggest difference between PS+ and XBL. Do I think Sony should make PS+ mandatory for online play? No I still don't think that, but I will say that for what Sony offers with PS+ it is actually worth the purchse price. XBL was always just a service that held you ability to play online games hostage and nothing more.

1. That's YOUR opinion not a fact kid.

2. Once again value is subjective. Should we start handing out a dictionary to all cows now?

3. Subjective and =/= everyone

Yeah, you've completely missed the point. Let's see if you can understand this time..........cows have been laughing and making fun of lems for almost 10 years becuase of LIVE fees. Swore up and down Sony would never charge to play online. Kept saying MS holds online play hostage and unless you pay for LIVE you only get half the game. Now all of sudden paying to play online is acceptable because it's Sony. Can you spot the hypocracy?

It doesn't matter if YOU find better value in PS+ because value has and always will be subjective. Spin this how you like but the fact still remains Sony is now charging to play online even AFTER cows claimed they never would.

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] I think you're missing the point. Cows swore up and down for the past 8 years that Sony "would NEVER charge for online". "Online gaming should and will ALWAYS be free". Not to mention how many cows said they wouldn't support Sony if they did start charging. Now all of a sudden charging for online is OK because it's Sony. Yeah, lems have every right to talk about cows and how hypocritical they are. kingtito

The point is XBL was never worth the asking price MSput on the service while restriction basic online play access. That is the point, and the crutial difference between PSN and XBL is even when Sony offered basic online play completely free of charge people still went out and bought PS+ becuase it was actually worth paying for.

That is the biggest difference between PS+ and XBL. Do I think Sony should make PS+ mandatory for online play? No I still don't think that, but I will say that for what Sony offers with PS+ it is actually worth the purchse price. XBL was always just a service that held you ability to play online games hostage and nothing more.

1. That's YOUR opinion not a fact kid.

2. Once again value is subjective. Should we start handing out a dictionary to all cows now?

3. Subjective and =/= everyone

Yeah, you've completely missed the point. Let's see if you can understand this time..........cows have been laughing and making fun of lems for almost 10 years becuase of LIVE fees. Swore up and down Sony would never charge to play online. Kept saying MS holds online play hostage and unless you pay for LIVE you only get half the game. Now all of sudden paying to play online is acceptable because it's Sony. Can you spot the hypocracy?

It doesn't matter if YOU find better value in PS+ because value has and always will be subjective. Spin this how you like but the fact still remains Sony is now charging to play online even AFTER cows claimed they never would.

i'd say something but you've covered everything pretty well.

Well paying for online on PS4 will probably piss of many gamers since all PS3 owners were happy not to have additional costs to play online..

Lets hope Sony will make huge improvements on their service and continue the support in the form of online content, free games and other features/services..

Finally considering that Sony fans will now have to pay to game online, all we can say is 'Thank you Sony for at least giving us 7 free years of free online' :P

PS+ is a much better deal than XBL. 

Wasdie

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] I think you're missing the point. Cows swore up and down for the past 8 years that Sony "would NEVER charge for online". "Online gaming should and will ALWAYS be free". Not to mention how many cows said they wouldn't support Sony if they did start charging. Now all of a sudden charging for online is OK because it's Sony. Yeah, lems have every right to talk about cows and how hypocritical they are. kingtito

The point is XBL was never worth the asking price MSput on the service while restriction basic online play access. That is the point, and the crutial difference between PSN and XBL is even when Sony offered basic online play completely free of charge people still went out and bought PS+ becuase it was actually worth paying for.

That is the biggest difference between PS+ and XBL. Do I think Sony should make PS+ mandatory for online play? No I still don't think that, but I will say that for what Sony offers with PS+ it is actually worth the purchse price. XBL was always just a service that held you ability to play online games hostage and nothing more.

1. That's YOUR opinion not a fact kid.

2. Once again value is subjective. Should we start handing out a dictionary to all cows now?

3. Subjective and =/= everyone

Yeah, you've completely missed the point. Let's see if you can understand this time..........cows have been laughing and making fun of lems for almost 10 years becuase of LIVE fees. Swore up and down Sony would never charge to play online. Kept saying MS holds online play hostage and unless you pay for LIVE you only get half the game. Now all of sudden paying to play online is acceptable because it's Sony. Can you spot the hypocracy?

It doesn't matter if YOU find better value in PS+ because value has and always will be subjective. Spin this how you like but the fact still remains Sony is now charging to play online even AFTER cows claimed they never would.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]No I think you are missing the point.

The point is XBL was never worth the asking price MSput on the service while restriction basic online play access. That is the point, and the crutial difference between PSN and XBL is even when Sony offered basic online play completely free of charge people still went out and bought PS+ becuase it was actually worth paying for.

That is the biggest difference between PS+ and XBL. Do I think Sony should make PS+ mandatory for online play? No I still don't think that, but I will say that for what Sony offers with PS+ it is actually worth the purchse price. XBL was always just a service that held you ability to play online games hostage and nothing more.

ImBatman-

1. That's YOUR opinion not a fact kid.

2. Once again value is subjective. Should we start handing out a dictionary to all cows now?

3. Subjective and =/= everyone

Yeah, you've completely missed the point. Let's see if you can understand this time..........cows have been laughing and making fun of lems for almost 10 years becuase of LIVE fees. Swore up and down Sony would never charge to play online. Kept saying MS holds online play hostage and unless you pay for LIVE you only get half the game. Now all of sudden paying to play online is acceptable because it's Sony. Can you spot the hypocracy?

It doesn't matter if YOU find better value in PS+ because value has and always will be subjective. Spin this how you like but the fact still remains Sony is now charging to play online even AFTER cows claimed they never would.

$5 per month is cheaper than $60 per year (if you paid full price and not one person i know has paid full price)? Do you even know how much Sony is going to charge when the PS4 ships?

BTW I'm not arguing about subjective points. I'm talking about hypocritical cows and how paying to pay online is now acceptable. This after claiming, for the better part of 10 years, Sony would never charge and if they did, they'd drop Sony.