LOL. Quantum Break on X1 is 720p without locked 30 FPS

@Juub1990:

Even both games have great character models, one game has CLEARLY more detailed characters :

http://fiqueligado.com.br/public/img/noticia/id12381/d2c4da7ae6a3628cc2ef0ba88989872f.jpg

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/38600000/Nathan-Drake-Uncharted-4-A-Thief-s-End-video-games-38662819-540-600.jpg

Wait for PC version to compare with UC PS4? Lems going Wild.

That's not true.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2845169/quantum-break-to-support-4k-resolution-60-frames-per-second-on-windows-10/

Supports 4k and 60fps. It's Remedy. They know how to push PC version.

@quadknight:

dynamitecop is NYadc?

Yup, it's him. Same posting style and the same shitty arguments. Claims to be a PC gamer but defends Xbone like it's the mother of his child.

He's still here posting with his alt @dynamitecop. He's too embarrassed to use his real account to defend the Xbone these days.

First screen is Fifa 16.

Also cut scenes again. Cut scenes to cut scenes they both look good.

We'll see what Uncharted 4 has to offer in-game.

Where are all the lems that were saying that with the superior optimization the Xbone will never have 720p titles in the future? Half of the generation has passed and we're still getting dat 720p action. Quantum Break is gonna be fuzzy af on the Bone.

They DID defiantly say what it is!

It's clearly spelled out in their report if you bothered to read it and multiply people have spelled out exactly what that break down means here in this thread. The only question they ask is what resolution the final game will have since Remedy "claim" that it's 1080p.

Digital Foundry are the one's who broke the story on Alan Wakes sub HD resolution on 360 when Remedy was still claiming 720p and only when pressed with answering that question did they fess up about the actual resolution...that's all that left to be done here.

Remedy and MS pulled a smoke and mirrors move with the xbox one version of the game by switching out the x1 version for a maxed out PC version in all media showings somewhere between the original announcement and now before anyone knew the PC version existed.

To be clear all gameplay for QB has been confirmed to be 720p on xbox one and only the and menu sections produced a 1080p resolution result.

@Juub1990:

LOL! Thanks for the insight. Anyway, a correction :

Even both games have great character models, one game has CLEARLY more detailed characters :

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/38600000/Nathan-Drake-Uncharted-4-A-Thief-s-End-video-games-38662819-540-600.jpg

http://fiqueligado.com.br/public/img/noticia/id12381/d2c4da7ae6a3628cc2ef0ba88989872f.jpg

And what Uncharted has to offer in game :

http://giant.gfycat.com/UntriedBlueAlbino.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6gb5BJ4wQcIdna5a/giphy.gif

And you should see all of this ( especially that E3 demo analysis )

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZFquhQiC88

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LUX0zNr7YFE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zpNpTjpnwFY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUIYpbJeWJM

In game shots.

Do you even understand how the rendering tech works? Your statement demonstrates a convenient ignorance or genuine ignorance.

@gpuking

First screen looks pretty bad. Like awful. Drake's character model looks like it has polygon count in the single digits and those textures look terrible. Like WTF is he even holding? Second and third screens look great. Third might be a cut scene though, an introductory one to the level. It was only briefly shown and I saw nothing suggesting player agency in it. Last one is dated and from last year. Game has improved since then. Background characters don't look good. Drake and Sully look much better in the latest trailers BUT they are mostly cut scenes. It kinda looks like the multiplayer beta at higher resolution.

Wow haven't seen a thread thing long in a while. I'll probably get this game on pc then, when it comes out on steam so it can be next to my Alan Wake

Are you kids really arguing over pixels again?

So it was the PC version they were showing from the beginning. 720p strikes xbots yet again.

LOL EPIC FAIL. I love the damage control here too. Just goes to show that lems will defend xbox to the death no matter what. At least ill get VR

Lems just can't catch a break...

Please STFU and don't try to criticize people based on what they say about a report when have you a complete lack of reading comprehension and don't seem to be able to add 1 and 1 together.

Ignorance doesn't have anything to do with actually being able to READ moron. This report clearly states what the situation is and it's a FACT that the EXACT same thing happened with Alan Wake, so clearly it's you who are the own who is demonstrating the ignorance here.

why don't you stop being a defensive xbot moron, learn to read and then educate yourself before speaking about "ignorance" again.

1. Remedy damage control lies and deception..

Alan Wake runs in 720p, Remedy not happy over recent leaks

Remedy’s confirmed that Alan Wake will run in 720p throughout the thriller, and not 520p as previously thought over the weekend.

Development Manager at the Finnish studio Markus Maki said on its community forums:

“Modern renderers don’t work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution, but use a combination of techniques and buffers to compose the final detail-rich frames, optimizing to improve the visual experience and game performance. Alan Wake’s renderer on the Xbox360 uses about 50 different intermediate render targets in different resolutions, color depths and anti-alias settings for different purposes.

“These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on.

“In the end all are combined to form one 720p image, with all intermediate buffer sizes selected to optimize image quality and GPU performance. All together the render targets take about 80 MB of memory, equivalent in size to over twenty 720p buffers.”

Meanwhile, Remedy managing director Matias Myllrinne expressed his disappointment over the weekend of two videos, from the game that leaked out, where the resolution argument originated from.

“Game journalism is not about playing a game in 10 minute segments,” he tweeted, “and posting random quality videos on the net. Disappointed.”

Alan Wake releases on May 14 in Europe and the UK, with a May 18 release in the US for Xbox 360.

https://www.vg247.com/2010/04/19/alan-wake-runs-in-720p-remedy-not-happy-over-recent-leaks/

2. The truth of what it actually was...

Tech Analysis: Alan Wake

Remedy has responded to online claims that upcoming Xbox 360 exclusive Alan Wake runs with a sub-HD resolution, releasing a statement saying that "modern renderers don't work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution".

Despite a review version of Alan Wakebeing sent out by Microsoft to the games media with a strict embargo that expires in early May, some websites have run videos and taken screenshots from which pixel counters reckon that the game's native resolution is 960x540. ***This appears to be a somewhat different state of affairs when compared with early Wake footage we took a look at back in August last year, which was definitely a native 720p.***

Initial comments from Remedy expressed dissatisfaction with unauthorised movies, which it said were captured at 960x540, suggesting that they made the game look worse than it actually is. However, it's clear that the resolution analysis was actually performed on shots from German website videogameszone.de and the screens themselves were clearly taken at 720p settings. These shots have now been removed.

...Maki points out that the component parts of the image, including "cascaded shadow maps from sun and moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers" are all individual elements with their own individual resolutions which are then combined into one 720p image.

So, who is right - Remedy or the pixel counters? Perhaps the most crucial thing is that there is nothing in Maki's carefully worded statement that is at odds with what the pixel counters are saying.Native resolution of the actual framebuffer is never mentioned. That metric is indeed just one element in overall image quality,but it is also one of the most important. Remedy's argument is very similar to the one put forward by Bungie in the wake of Halo 3 being revealed as running at 640p. The bottom line there is that there's little doubt that the Master Chief epic is sub-HD, and would look significantly improved running at native 720p - indeed, the team's own shots confirm that.

Maki is quite right to point out that individual elements of the image operate at their own individual resolutions, but in most cases the opaque geometry usually operates at 720p. Killzone 2 has a 640x360-sized buffer for particles. Conversely, some of the textures on Kratos in God of War III are 2048x2048 in size,but both games are obviously 720p:no-one claims that these games are 360p or 2048p.

Moving on from that, when we select custom resolutions in PC titles, opaque geometry is the key metric being used to define the size of the framebuffer. ***It's the amount of pixels used to create the image: higher-resolution shadowmaps or textures can't change that,*** although they do of course play their own part in overall image quality. Regardless, it's also the case that going lower than 720p usually results in scaling artifacts (most noticeable on high detail and edges) and a blurrier image overall...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-alanwake-sub-hd-blog-entry

3. FINAL WORD 2 YEARS LATER!

Digital Foundry vs. Alan Wake

American Nightmare and the PC port go under the microscope.

But the ambition of Remedy's tech proved to be rather taxing on the fixed architecture of the Xbox 360 and the developer was seemingly forced to make a range of visual compromises. Despite operating a range of different render targets at multiple resolutions, native resolution on-screen was lowered to 960x544,with the developer deploying 4x multi-sampling anti-aliasing to smooth off the edges (earlier work in progress videos had suggested a 720p, 2x MSAA framebuffer). Performance-saving options such as screen-door inducing "alpha to coverage" and low resolution transparency buffers were implemented too, but even then, the game would often drop frames and introduce screen-tear.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-alan-wake

This is nothing new, they did the same shit last gen and TRIED to lie about it.

Welcome, now go get a grown up to read and expalin that to you so again you can STFU and run along.

@casharmy Alan Wake has nothing do do with QB so using it as a reference is stupid and I will like to believe that contrary to all of the nonsense you post that you are not stupid, but then again I can be wrong.

You lack of understanding of how rendering works is leading you and many others to the false conclusion of the final images that Remedy is stating. Image base effects being rendered at lower resolution does not equate to upscaling. BTW all that nonsense about Alan Wake; its irrelevant, was ignored sorry for wasting your time.

Yes, Remedy did the same thing with Alan Wake on 360 and tried to lie about it. ^ refer to sources compiled from my last post.

"Despite a review version of Alan Wakebeing sent out by Microsoft to the games media with a strict embargo that expires in early May, some websites have run videos and taken screenshots from which pixel counters reckon that the game's native resolution is 960x540. ***This appears to be a somewhat different state of affairs when compared with early Wake footage we took a look at back in August last year, which was definitely a native 720p.***

Initial comments from Remedy expressed dissatisfaction with unauthorised movies, which it said were captured at 960x540"

@Pedro:

Dude, you think that QB RENDER image output is 1080p because menu is 1080p?

LOL!

Quote :

Did most people miss the fact that its rendering certain elements at a lower resolution and the final is 1080p?

....

Are you dumb lem as ****?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=198666839

Every damn game on PS4/Xbone has final image output 1080p. RENDER image output is something different. Battlefront has 720p RENDER image otput on Xbone. Final image output is 1080p. Same for QB. LOL. Guy think that game is native 1080p if menu are 1080p. Well, Witcher 3 has menus in 1080p on Xbone.....Oh, wait......

Lems should be happy about the Bone being powerful enough to handle menus in 1080p

You really sound like an idiot now and intentionally ignoring facts to carry on with your moronic posts, Yeah you are a waste of time. Don't bother replying to me again with your stupidity since you can't deal with facing facts when you get called out on your bullshit.

You quoted me remember trying to call me out using words like "ignorant" behind your xbox fanboy campaign so it's only proper for me shut your ass down and prove you don't know shit on top of not being able to read and comprehend properly.

My links will remain proving that Remedy did the same exact thing with Alan Wake last gen and so will the idiotic post of yours that I quoted of you trying to sound superior when you are just a clueless fanboy, have a good day.

The guy tried to sound superior when he has 0 reading comprehension ability...lems I tell ya!

WTH are you talking about? Drake's model in the first screen looks high res and high poly as usual, it's just the metal stair he's holding appeared to be lower res, but that kind of minor prop is does not hurt the overall quality, every game has some weak textures here and there. The 3rd shot is not a cutscene, it's part of a gameplay from the chase sequence. So like I said, good quality shots of current build gameplay is very limited but even the alpha build still looks impressive regardless.

@Juub1990 said:

@gpuking

First screen looks pretty bad. Like awful. Drake's character model looks like it has polygon count in the single digits and those textures look terrible. Like WTF is he even holding? Second and third screens look great. Third might be a cut scene though, an introductory one to the level. It was only briefly shown and I saw nothing suggesting player agency in it. Last one is dated and from last year. Game has improved since then. Background characters don't look good. Drake and Sully look much better in the latest trailers BUT they are mostly cut scenes. It kinda looks like the multiplayer beta at higher resolution.

You obviously do not know the that there is a difference between upscaling an image vs render pipeline. While a render pipeline can have upscaling for the final image it is not the same as the pipeline be made of various elements with different image date. Image base effects being process at a lower resolution and being combined with the final image is not equal to the final image being upscaled. This is equivalent to processing graphics at a lower sample rate. If you are using a resolution dependent system for calculating your light it is wise to process this data at a lower resolution. The data is not a reflection of the final native output. The same would applied to image based effects.

For those desperately trying to educate others about resolution:

"geometry is the key metric being used to define the size of the framebuffer. ***It's the amount of pixels used to create the image: higher-resolution shadowmaps or textures can't change that,***"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-alanwake-sub-hd-blog-entry

You don't know what you are talking about and because of this your are spilling your ignorance liberally. You factually do not understand the technology and using this mass ignorance to form an ill inform opinion on the matter. Instead of foaming at the mouth you should actually understand how rendering works for real time and non real time application. The techniques that they are using for optimization is rather brilliant because its used in CG for reduction of processing while maintaining the quality. But instead of understanding it you are parading a combination of arrogance and ignorance on the matter. I know the System Wars is all about yelling the loudest and calling each other names but at least for the sake of sanity understand the tech if you are going to make a statement. It is not my job to educate you on the tech since you are fully capable of reading and understanding the difference between Alan Wake and Quantum Break; an imperfect rhyme.

blah blah blah "rendering techniques" blah blah blah "rending applications' blah blah...

Again for those desperately trying to educate others about resolution:

"geometry is the key metric being used to define the size of the framebuffer. ***It's the amount of pixels used to create the image: higher-resolution shadowmaps or textures can't change that,***"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-alanwake-sub-hd-blog-entry

You can stop with the fancy excuses and empty jargon that amounts to nothing. That short and simple quote nullifies your long winded fanboy rant to try to make excuses for this situation with a simple and direct explanation of how this works.

"the textures on Kratos in God of War III are 2048x2048 in size"

Or is it your opinion that GOW III on PS3 is 2048p because of rendering techniques lol?

Again you are parading your ignorance with a banner. Effects such as Screen Base Lighting, Ambient Occlusion (also screen space because its real time) and Global Illumination (most likely grid or spherical) are data that is screen, add or multiplied to the final image. The final image can be any resolution. Can you understand this simple concept? Or do you want to celebrate and bask in your ignorance under the false pretense that you think you know what you are talking about? Unlike you sir I actually do this for a living and I don't need to rely on possibly ignorant people talking about things they don't understand. BTW what am I a fanboy of again?

Yeah, 1080p > 720p. Nothing newsworthy there. But at the end of the day 720p is playable and if a game is good it's good. Remains to be seen if this particular one is any good or not.

shh no more desperation and excuses from you, just facts now

"geometry is the key metric being used to define the size of the framebuffer. ***It's the amount of pixels used to create the image: higher-resolution shadowmaps or textures can't change that,***"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-alanwake-sub-hd-blog-entry

k, thx, bye :)

So in other words you really don't know what you are talking about. Keeping trying to convince yourself that you know what you are referring to. Things like this is comical and you have yet to disappoint.

Except it has the privilege of having the only subHD game this gen. top kek.

tsk tsk....I feel so sorry for you. How devastated and frustrated you are that you can't even find words to defend your precious Sony when talking with me.

And was later fixed on PC ^_^

I'll play the Xbox and PC version again, just like Alan Wake.

Many lems will not sleep well tonight that's for sure lol. Time to bust out your 10yr old 720p plasma set that you bought for 360 and feel the nostalgia once more:).

@Pedro:

Very interesting why you didn't react for Witcher 3 when DF said that menus in Witcher 3 are 1080p native, but game during gameplay has native res at 900p. Suddenly you have such a reaction with QB and nobody understand resolution. Accept that QB is native 720p upscaled to 1080p. Like the guy said in that GAF link.

He's got the nickname "Cashangry" for a reason.

still don't get why y'all in here arguing. the game still looks good it just doesn't hit the 1080p benchmark. I don't even have an xbone and will be playing this on PC if it's actually a good game but still what were people expecting given the game visuals? Obviously they are pushing the console to the max and this is what you get with the console's hardware we all know isn't up to par for 1080p a lot of high end graphical effects. It is what it is.

Because that was a game that was clearly stated as being what it is from the beginning, DF is having issues pinpointing exactly what is taking place here with QB so they're seeking clarification from Remedy in terms of the actual game render techniques and resolution. You don't even understand that The Order is 800p after two pages of exactly how it is being smashed into your head and now you're sitting here trying to argue with people that clearly have a better handle on what is taking place with this game.

The game could very well be rendering internally at 720p but we'll have to see, what you're not getting here is the render output from the engine is 1080p, the Xbox One is not upscaling anything to 1080p, the upscaling of the render is taking place inside the game engine. That's why the UI's and so on are 1080p while the game itself is rendering at some lower resolution. If the render output from the game were 720p from the game engine to the console, the Xbox One would be upscaling the UI from 720p to 1080p and that's not happening, it's natively displaying at 1080p which means the engine output is 1080p.

I hope this can help you better understand what is being said here. Quantum Break is internally rendering the game at a lower resolution and upscaling the main render to 1080p in engine, the UI elements are rendering natively at 1080p in engine, this is then all processed by the engine and outputs to the console natively at 1080p and the Xbox One then outputs it at 1080p, the console isn't upscaling anything, the engine is upscaling the game render. This is the only way the UI elements can be native 1080p, it has to output from the game engine natively in that resolution, otherwise it would just be a lower resolution upscale of the UI elements by the console.

Dead Rising 3 for example renders everything and outputs everything from the engine at 720p to the Xbox One, the main game render, UI elements etc, they all output at a single resolution and are upscaled together by the Xbox One itself to which it then draws the final upscaled image and outputs that in 1080p.

But you guys keep saying cut scenes and in-game will be 1:1. That shot of Drake holding the wooden plank while the chandelier is falling down looks nothing like the gif of him holding his jaw you posted several times. Looking at his hand(the one holding on), his skin and even his clothing, they don't look as good as the cut scenes. Not even close actually. Might be the angle, might be the lighting but it doesn't compare to most screenshots I've seen and ironically, this is the one that looks closest to be in game.

Yes I do know the third screenshot comes from the chase sequence of last year. It's a close-up but it looks a good bit better than the last one which I believe was shown about a month prior.

In game model renders are completely different than in cutscenes, this is apparent in essentially every game, Uncharted 4 is no exception and you're correct.

@primorandomguy: Lol if you get offended by a comment that isn't even insulting you then maybe the internet isn't your thing.

@dynamitecop:

Just shut up, NYadc. The Order is 1080p in 2.40:1 aspect ratio. You should learn something about anamorphic format, dumbass.

And QB is 720p game UPSCALED to 1080p. Period. If you know better than DF, good then. And also i clearly gave you a link where member said that game is 720p. CLEARLY!

Damn, lems are defensive as ****.

You have some serious literary ailing's, you don't seem to understand even the most simple things broken down... I created that image specifically for you because you can't understand written language so I figured pictures would help...

NOPE

Gpuking goes on full damage control. Uncharted 4 looks outdated, get used to it.

@gpuking said:

WTH are you talking about? Drake's model in the first screen looks high res and high poly as usual, it's just the metal stair he's holding appeared to be lower res, but that kind of minor prop is does not hurt the overall quality, every game has some weak textures here and there. The 3rd shot is not a cutscene, it's part of a gameplay from the chase sequence. So like I said, good quality shots of current build gameplay is very limited but even the alpha build still looks impressive regardless.

@Juub1990 said:

@gpuking

First screen looks pretty bad. Like awful. Drake's character model looks like it has polygon count in the single digits and those textures look terrible. Like WTF is he even holding? Second and third screens look great. Third might be a cut scene though, an introductory one to the level. It was only briefly shown and I saw nothing suggesting player agency in it. Last one is dated and from last year. Game has improved since then. Background characters don't look good. Drake and Sully look much better in the latest trailers BUT they are mostly cut scenes. It kinda looks like the multiplayer beta at higher resolution.

@dynamitecop:

Witcher 3 has menus at 1080p, gameplay is 900p. Game is 900p UPSCALED to 1080p.

QB is the same thing, menus at 1080p, gameplay 720p UPSCALED to 1080p.

Lems logic : no, it can't be. QB is native 1080p game

That is exactly what I said, are you that blind and completely illiterate... Holy mother of god you are unreal...

@dynamitecop said:

Because that was a game that was clearly stated as being what it is from the beginning, DF is having issues pinpointing exactly what is taking place here with QB so they're seeking clarification from Remedy in terms of the actual game render techniques and resolution. You don't even understand that The Order is 800p after two pages of exactly how it is being smashed into your head and now you're sitting here trying to argue with people that clearly have a better handle on what is taking place with this game.

The game could very well be rendering internally at 720p but we'll have to see, what you're not getting here is the render output from the engine is 1080p, the Xbox One is not upscaling anything to 1080p, the upscaling of the render is taking place inside the game engine. That's why the UI's and so on are 1080p while the game itself is rendering at some lower resolution. If the render output from the game were 720p from the game engine to the console, the Xbox One would be upscaling the UI from 720p to 1080p and that's not happening, it's natively displaying at 1080p which means the engine output is 1080p.

I hope this can help you better understand what is being said here. Quantum Break is internally rendering the game at a lower resolution and upscaling the main render to 1080p in engine, the UI elements are rendering natively at 1080p in engine, this is then all processed by the engine and outputs to the console natively at 1080p and the Xbox One then outputs it at 1080p, the console isn't upscaling anything, the engine is upscaling the game render. This is the only way the UI elements can be native 1080p, it has to output from the game engine natively in that resolution, otherwise it would just be a lower resolution upscale of the UI elements by the console.

Dead Rising 3 for example renders everything and outputs everything from the engine at 720p to the Xbox One, the main game render, UI elements etc, they all output at a single resolution and are upscaled together by the Xbox One itself to which it then draws the final upscaled image and outputs that in 1080p.

This guy...

NO read DF article what they analyze is 720p not just assets the image is 720p.

This is the same shit they did with Alan wake you don't combine things to arrive at 720p you render or not period,other effects can be lower resolution or even higher,but the image output here is 720p,just like Alan wake was 540p,this remind me of Killzone SF trick that guerrilla used and fulled peopled into thinking online was 1080p in closer analysis it showed it wasn't and they should have not stated that it was 1080p online.

Is a joke and their are being dishonest the game is no 1080p,i knew it all alone and actually stated that i wanted to see the game on xbox one,ever since the reveal of t he PC version i was convince that MS was using probably the PC version to showcase the game.

@dynamitecop:

LOL. You trying to push that QB is native 1080p game. LOL!

....You qouted me before because of this :

Very interesting why you didn't react for Witcher 3 when DF said that menus in Witcher 3 are 1080p native, but game during gameplay has native res at 900p. Suddenly you have such a reaction with QB and nobody understand resolution. Accept that QB is native 720p upscaled to 1080p. Like the guy said in that GAF link... .

And in post before i wrote this.....

Witcher 3 has menus at 1080p, gameplay is 900p. Game is 900p UPSCALED to 1080p.

QB is the same thing, menus at 1080p, gameplay 720p UPSCALED to 1080p.

Lems logic : no, it can't be. QB is native 1080p game.....

It is the same, isn't. And you trying to spin that is something different. In both of my quotes there is one thing, QB is 720p game UPSCALED to 1080p.

YOU trying to spin that QB is native 1080p because of menu. LOL.