LOL. Quantum Break on X1 is 720p without locked 30 FPS

You do realize not every angle in the game will look as good as the best lighting scenario right? The model would obviously look best under low light where plenty of shadows and shade are present, just like in real life, a slight variation in the environment or lighting could drastically alter the look of the same object. It's literally apple to orange comparison that you're looking at, might as well take a screen of Drake from UC3 with a close up and claim it looks better than UC4's Drake from a distance inside a shadow. You really have to be fair.

Why is this so hard for your brain to comprehend.

No one is saying the game is natively rendering at 1080p, try reading, it helps, it's natively rendering at some other lower resolution internally which is likely 720p, this is then internally in the engine being upscaled to 1080p. The UI elements and menus are being rendered separately at 1080p, this is all then processed through the engine together as a single image and outputs as 1080p.

This is not hard to understand yet you're making the most simple of things seem like it's a climb to the summit of Mt. Everest.

@tormentos:

I did read it. It states the raw output is 1080p, with some game assets being lower reolution.

This is minutia but the game is rendering a 1920x800 image not a 1920x1080 image. So by definition it is not rendering the image you are playing in "1080p". Pixel density and image quality is the same but the game isn't rendering in full 1080p. If the PS4 could handle the game in a true 1080p image it wouldn't have black bars but it can't so they finagled it. Same way if the xbone could handle quantam break in 1080p they wouldn't run it in 720p. It's just developers coming up with different solutions to optimize a game for a platform.

@NFJSupreme:

RAD choose 1080p in 2.40:1 with 4xMSAA instead 1080p in 16:9 with 2xMSAA

I understand this and I am being fair, and chances are the models in game while playing are going to be of noticibly lower quality than what is seen in cut-scenes, as is the case for essentially every game.

You need to be prepared for this, because you're setting up the ground work to get it thrown in your face when they do not line up.

1080p in 2.40:1 is 2592x1080... as has been explained to you ten different times and a hundred different ways... The Order renders 2.40:1 at 800p which gives the game a final render resolution of 1920x800...

I'm more of a Playstation guy, but I'm definitely looking forward to this game. Couldn't care much about the resolution, awesome looking game regardless. Funny to see the Lem damage control though.

I'll be getting it as well, the lems though are beyond hilarious.

So much as say the game looks generic and you're an instant cow for some reason.

I think people forget this stuff far too easily and focus on arbitrary factors, the game does look very cool and I am sure it will be quite an enjoyable experience.

@dynamitecop:

The Order is 1080p in 2.40:1.

How many horizontal lines of vertical resolution is The Order rendering?

@dynamitecop:

1920x1080p in 2.40 :1 aspect ratio.

@Heirren:

You missed this part clearly :

"In every scene tested so far, a native resolution of 720p is the consistent result found in each pixel count test - so while there's every possibility of individual render targets operating at higher resolutions, basic geometry that we're able to measure hands in a 720p result as things stand."

And this

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=198666839

DF tested the final code.

You are so far removed from reality it's insane...

There are several demos of Uncharted 4 showing the in game models outside of cut scenes if you haven't see them if because you don't want to.

WTF hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Now man stop pretending the game models look bad is obvious it look much better than QB in game ones,the fun part is how you claim that you haven't see in game models when Uncharted 4 videos are all over the damn place is not like the game has being keep in secrecy since it was unveil. We get it you want to cheer for QB but at least make a damn effort instead of saying it has polygon count in the single digits when is one of the most detailed seen in recent years.

Bullsh** is the same damn developer so while Alan Wake is a different game the PEOPLE who make the game are NOT different are the same developers REMEDY.

Alan Wake didn't built it self and lower it self to 540p Remedy did that,and the fun thing here is that they do the same sh** again and try to pass the game as 1080p and i am 100% sure not that what they have being showing since E3 2013 was running on PC and not the xbox one at all.

Oh so now you are the be all end all of rendering resolutions,so tell me how is the final image output 1080p when the pixel count is 1280x720.? The final image of the game is not 1920x1080 DF stated it is not the pixel count is 1280x720 so yeah people like you should not make such a cry scene over this,and accuse people of being confuse this is not the damn first xbox one game that is 720p,in fact many had being since launch, Star wars BF which is one incredible looking game is 720p as well,so have being many others.

I know that technology very well,is call ""Bluff Rendering"" and it require 2 things actually is not such a new technology.

Requirements.

1-A developer DECEITFUL and dishonest enough to lie to millions of people without regrets.

2-A group of fools who will believe it blindly without question.

@tormentos Only in the first screenshot he posted. It just doesn't look grade. Also the only gameplay videos we have are from a year ago. Otherwise we can only go by short action sequences from trailers that may or may not be in-game.

@2mrw: Wouldn't Gears 4 be a better example of "showing off the power of Xbox One"? Why would Quantum Break be considered the "last hope"?

@dynamitecop:

But you're delusional PC gamer, excuse me, lem with alt account beyond any imagionation. LOL.

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NO ONE IS SAYING THE GAME IS NATIVELY RENDERING AT 1080P, try reading, it helps, it's natively rendering at some other lower resolution internally which is likely 720p, this is then internally in the engine being upscaled to 1080p. The UI elements and menus are being rendered separately at 1080p, this is all then processed through the engine together as a single image and outputs as 1080p.....

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Is it. Looks like some member here a few posts before said that game is native 1080p.

What the hell you trying to spin? You clearly stated few pages back that QB is native 1080p because HUD is 1080p. LOL.

You said this before :

"If the HUD elements during gameplay are 1080p then that means that the rendering output is also natively 1080p, that doesn't have to mean the internal resolution of the game render is, but its output is. If the game had a rendering output of 720p those UI elements would be upscaled from 1280x720 to 1920x1080 which is not the case.

I don't see how one post from a user on Neogaf means anything, there's layers of things going on here that even Digital Foundry can't figure out,"

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Nice one. Dude, you think that people are stupid. Just shut up.

@Guy_Brohski: Last hope in terms of System Wars. Lems have been hyping bullshots, target renders, and what is now clearly PC target videos as a graphics king.

You know. Special Sauce is real and all that..

The amount of misinformation is astounding. Here are the facts. Digital Foundary cannot determine the games internal native resolution on the Xbox One or any console. Why? Because its an internal process and the only method of evaluation that is open to them is using raw output after the engine/software processes the data. Here another fact that most folks are missing from the derived documentation is that very specific elements of the rendering pipeline are being rendered at a lower resolution based on the Siggraph docs. These elements are screen space elements that are blended on the final image for performance gains. A 1080p image being blended with 720p data and approximation. This why the Internet can be a real pain because misinformation is so rampant. I will be willing to demonstrate the technique discussed but I don't think anyone with agenda care to be actually know what is actually transpiring.

@imt558:

I could be wrong, but if one of the 720 assets is an always present light source, then of course it would have that effect on a pixel count.

@Pedro:

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Digital Foundary cannot determine the games internal native resolution on the Xbox One or any console.

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WTF?

Lem at its best. Lems, you surprised me now.

@Heirren:

They counted every graphical assets during gameplay in every scene.

@imt558: He is obviously confused. He is just vomiting all over this post.

You cannot. Mind explaining oh great one how they would get the native resolution a an internal on GPU process when they are rely ENTIRELY on end product output? Please share.

@imt558:

Lol. First, I doubt they took the time to do that. Second, my point still stands. If there is a 720 overlay on the image, it would make determining the resolution, sans effect, rather difficult. Again I could be wrong but it is logical.

You cannot do this either. They are relying on docs which explains the technique. The final image is a composite. You cannot break it into pieces because its one complete none segmented image.

Your failed reading comprehension is reaching new lows.

Can you back that up with something? Because according to this: http://www.vg247.com/2015/02/24/steam-has-over-125-million-active-users-8-9m-concurrent-peak/

There were over 125 Million active users on steam last February world wide. That's just steam. Doesn't include Origin or Uplay. That number is growing too. According to another survey, there were about 155 Million gamers in the US around that time, including PC gamers. Unfortunately, they didn't ask how many people mix PC with consoles and only asked about them owning multiple consoles.

PC gamers are not some small community of PC enthusiasts. They take up a good chunk of the gaming community as a whole. In fact, RoTR sold more on PC in its release month than it did on Xbox One in its lifespan. You don't do that when the PC community is small.

@dynamitecop:

Nobody can be lower than you.

Obviously, those players miss out. But it's not like they only have one option. They have multiple, and therefore, reduces the incentive of buying a specific platform for a specific game.

as someone with some PC common sense knowledge that is bullshit. The difference between 2xMSAA and 4xMSAA is not that big in terms of resource demand and effect that you would need to bastardize the screen by adding black bars. Like I said with all the fancy visual effects going on the PS4 couldn't render the game at a true 1080p (1920x1080 there is no other definition of this resolution in this scenario because math) and be stable at 30fps so they came with different solution that yielded the same image quality with the drawback being a smaller image because of black bars. Again this is all minutia but those are the facts. Its no different than what is happening with quantam break on xbone. heavy graphic effects = customized resolution on console. Uncharted 4 looks like it will break the mold if Naught Dogs delivers. We know it will be 1080p but lets see just how good it looks from a technical aspect when the final release is out.

@Heirren:

Well, nice to see that lems know to count pixels better than DF.

@imt558:

I deal with this stuff. If I were to do a two layer digital painting at 1920x1080, creates second semi transparent layer at 720p over that, it would result in many artifacts making counting pixels rather difficult.

Why the order is 1080p and not 800p

It's not... My god... The game renders at 1920x800... Are you people stupid? Read the comments for christ sake, that author is some idiot with a blog who has no idea what they're talking about.

"1920x1080p in 2.40 :1 aspect ratio." <------- This doesn't exist...

1080p in a 2.40:1 aspect ratio is 2592x1080

800p in a 2.40:1 aspect ratio is 1920x800, this is The Order's resolution.

Those black bars are not being rendered, that is pixel fill from the television because it's getting no rendering information for those 280 lines not present in the image, it's the same reason when you actually play The Order on a 21:9 display the black bar are not present, the aspect ratio of the render fills the entire screen. If it was rendering those bars in a 1920x1080 image they would still be present on a 21:9 display and black bars would also be present on both sides, since they are not the game is rendering at 1920x800 which is 800p with an aspect ratio of 2.4:1...

If The Order were rendering at 1920x1080 like this ignorant guy thinks with those black bars being accounted for, this is how it would look on a 21:9 ultrawide display, not what you see above.

Folks, this is what happens when a bunch of know nothing console gamers try to have a technical dialog, it's horrible...

30 FPS at 720p is quite behind the times. Hopefully the PC version will have no restrictions.

Lol this thread still going strong?

Keep up the good fight lemmings.

Finally someone gets it. Most of these folks are just babbling without understanding the technique. Remedy is most likely going to state that their pixel counting technique fails to take this into consideration. However, you might still be able to get it to work on geometry against the sky or void. Screen space effects would typical being voided on such edges.

@Heirren: aka they threw 720 over parts that were even lower than 720.

And then 1080 fot the menu and loading screen symbol lol

@dynamitecop:

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Are you people stupid?

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Nobody can be more stupid than you.

What a well thought out response to your point being obliterated.

You two have been arguing semantics for over 3 pages.

@naughtyottsel: Yes, they are still trying to convince themselves and the world that this 720p and 30fps that constantly dips is better than 1080p 30fps.

@dynamitecop:

Me obliterated? No.

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1080p in a 2.40:1 aspect ratio is 2592x1080

1920x800 which is 800p with an aspect ratio of 2.4:1...

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LOL! You just proved how nobody can be more stupid than you. So, The Order isn't 1080p in 2.40:1, but it is 800p in 2.40:1 ratio by your logic. Guess what, the latter resolution standard doesn't exist in movie gaming/industry.

The Order is 1080p in 2.40:1 aspect ratio and it is made for common 16:9 TV's. Game isn't a PC version where you can change res how you want and in which format ratio. Game is strictly in that aspect ratio on 16:9 TV's and you can't remove black bars. And that's a RAD's choice.

And also, if you put this game on native 21:9 Cinema TV display, game is 1080p upscaled to.....1080p..

So, game is 1080p in 2.40:1 ratio on 16:9 TV's and 21:9 TV's.

@Pedro:

Yes. Of course I may be wrong in this case, but considering it is stated that concluding the resolution wasn't that simple can mean it's certainly possible.

Also, if a game is designed around a given resolution where the play angles don't succumb to much artifacting, higher quality in game assets--texture res,etc--can provide a better image than a 1080p one with lesser asserts.

Just look at Ryse. It is under native display resolution on xbox one yet it is considered to have some of the highest Fidelity visuals on the console.

I find that most PC gamers just see a resolution number and then what's done is done. Said it many times before; all these PC fanboys raving about 4k plus resolutions at whatever Hz yet in all likelihood the display shoots out piss poor color accuracy, black levels, and contrast ratio. THIS is where detail is lost.

@imt558: at 21:9 how many vertical pixels are rendered?

It's not semantics, we're not trying to arrive at the same point by arguing the same thing differently, he's patently wrong, he doesn't understand what he's talking about in any degree. There's absolutely nothing 1080p about The Order in any capacity, nothing, it just has properly ratioed pixel density, something completely different. What they did with that game is took a 16:9 1080p render and removed 140 lines from the top of the render and 140 lines from the bottom which is why the pixel density is the same, it's only rendering 800 horizontal lines and that only has one outcome, a 2.4:1 ratio at 1920x800 which is 800p.

You can't remove the black bars because they don't actually exist in the game, they're not being rendered, nothing is being rendered under them, they're not actually there, try to comprehend this for a second. The black bars are the result of nothing being there, 280 lines of render that doesn't exist which is the same thing that happens with a movie, those bars are filled in by scaling methods from the source device or display itself.

The Order is 1920x800, that IS a 2.4:1 aspect ratio and it's progressive scan which means based upon 800 horizontal lines of vertical resolution The Order is 800p.

There's only one answer to this, I can't wait to read his reply to you.

The game could be a 10 for all we know the resolution has nothing to do with the quality of the game or how good it is,those are another 2 cents.

900p is not sub HD...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Neither is 768p...hahahahaaa

Don't worry i am sure PS4 exclusive will land on PC.... Hahaha when hell freezes over...hahahahaaa

When you side with some one that is wrong you are even more wrong than him...

The game is 720p he should admit it and move on is not the first 720p game on xbox one and will not be the last.

Hypocrite now if you only were this soft with PS games i would not call you a closet lemming,it is things like this which make your argument look downright sad,when knowing how much sh** people like you ""supposed HERMITS"" have pull on sony and the PS console is even worst,if this was Uncharted you would be all over it downplaying how the game was downgraded and talking crap about how weak the PS4 is.

@NFJSupreme said:

Uncharted graphics are generally overrated so I can see your disappointment.

Your tone when the game in question is on PS4... you closet lemms are even more pathetic than true lemms.

You on thread where Uncharted developer claimed to be shooting for 30FPS funny enough i didn't see you claim here the game was downgraded....lol

@dynamitecop said:

You are a fool.. It is easy to see you either created that your self or a true fool did for you.

There is no 720p + 1080p internal upscale that first stage on the left doesn't work like that at ALL.

What internally upscale games on xbox one is the xbox one scaler which is the same one the PS 4 has and every GCN GPU,if the game is render at 720p and upscale to 1080p in the very first freaking process there is no way you can claim is not upscale,you are so dumb is not even funny.

Basically what you try to picture there is a game that is 720p and that is upscale to 1080p in the very first process,then claiming that since the unit interface is 1080p some how the final output is 1080p,which is a total joke when that screen the very first process that it claim it is taking place is a 720p rendering with a 1080p upscale, in other words on the very first process it claimed to have upscale, anything involving upscale mean is not native.

That part on the right doesn't even make sense,once the game is render it will after that be upscale if that is the instruction you are giving the xbox one by your resolution settings there is no 4 steps which 3 are basically the same.