Why can't PS4/XBO do 1080p/60fps on demanding titles?
Ps4 can to an extent, but so far the only 1080p60 games have been either cross gen, indie or fighters on that console. Nier Automata will be an amazing looking game that'll be 1080p60.
Development is just a lot worse than it was in the 6th gen, 60fps was much more of a norm back then and often times the most visually impressive games were 60fps. Budgets and time constraints have killed a lot of good studios / limit the amount of one of a kind projects.
@Chozofication: "Development is just a lot worse than it was in the 6th gen, 60fps was much more of a norm back then and often times the most visually impressive games were 60fps. Budgets and time constraints have killed a lot of good studios / limit the amount of one of a kind projects."
@Chozofication: "Development is just a lot worse than it was in the 6th gen, 60fps was much more of a norm back then and often times the most visually impressive games were 60fps. Budgets and time constraints have killed a lot of good studios / limit the amount of one of a kind projects."
Is that way PS2>>>>>>360/PS3/PD4/Xone?
Yep. It's a money/time/talent issue, not a hardware one. Hardware grunt is the least of this industry's problems. Everything's been swallowed up by the big budget blockbuster games.
Look at capcom, that one company made about a dozen great games on the PS2 alone, and now look at them.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
@2mrw: Wouldn't Gears 4 be a better example of "showing off the power of Xbox One"? Why would Quantum Break be considered the "last hope"?
May be you are right, but QB was announced earlier and it was advertised as being the next big thing. GeoW doesn't look impressive from what I have seen.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
One would hope and it's just not a PS4 clone. Though I'd be pissed as an Xbox One owner.
You don't seem to be understanding anything that is being said because the context of what you're saying right now and the implications of you trying to assess what I said or mean is not even remotely close to what I clearly said.
Try to pay attention and keep up, I know that's difficult for you.
The game renders internally in the engine at '720p', it is upscaled in engine to 1080p
The UI and menu's render natively at 1080p
Both the game render and UI render leave the engine pipeline in tandem at a native 1080p signal
The game render is not native 1080p, it's upscaled from '720p' but it's leaving the engine pipeline natively so the console doesn't need to upscale anything, it bypasses the system as a faux 1080p native render, faux as in imitated, artificial. Why is that so hard you to come to terms with? It's simple, it's been simple this entire time.
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Who said anything about a display upscaling the image? Get your English sorted out before you try to get combative with people who speak it fluently. The source device (PlayStation 4) can set the scaling parameters for the render output to the TV or monitor, TV's and monitors are also capable of scaling.
Why do you think when The Order is played on a 21:9 display the black bars are not present? On the 16:9 display they were empty void, nothing, it's no different than watching a "1080p" movie that outputs at 1920x800, they're not actually a part of the film, if you watch them on a 21:9 display yet again the bars do not exist.
A film is not a game render, if those bars were hard coded into the film when it was rendered they would still be present on a 21:9 display, yet they're not present when they are on a 16:9 display, because like The Order they're a scaling method added by the devices themselves, they're nothing to do with the game and they're nothing to do with a movie. It's just a compensation method by the devices for odd aspect ratios that do not match the native aspect ratio of the display, nothing more and nothing less.
You don't understand it doesn't matter if you upscale in engine or by scaler you are upscaling to a higher resolution so your image is not freaking native.
Upscaling is upscaling no matter how you slice is,so the game is natively 720p and upscale internally the end result is the same,you are not getting a 1080p pixel density because your image is 1280x720 blown to 1080p.
The unit interface and menus mean shit you don't play on those.
You don't leave the engine pipeline with a 1080p frame buffer when your image is 720p upscale you are using pixels which aren't there there for is not native and you are getting a 720p signal which is why DF say they tested and got nothing but 720p..
The PS4 doesn't scale The order the order is a native 1080p game with blackbars which is what is know as 2.40:1 like a blu-ray movie of the tons out there yet you don't see any one calling those movies 800p,those are black pixels not bars,in fact not all TV scale automatically and m any don't even scale,they have a set of supported resolutions just like a monitor would,in fact if i set my TV for a resolution that doesn't support it just trows me a blue screen and you will see nothing,even if the resolution is lower than 1080p.
Because the monitor chop the aspect ratio in fact those monitors are rare and cost a freaking ton of cash.
Is consider 1080p because those black bars fill the gap,there is no scaling on the process and your TV upscale nothing the Order is a game natively display at 1920x800 with black bars neither your PS4 or TV upscale anything in the order...
QB is a 720p just admit it and move on NyaDC you are not winning this one..
@dynamitecop said:
Resolution is not measured in pixel density, that doesn't even make sense as the density is entirely determined by the size of the display, like I said previously, that author is an idiot. Resolution is measured by the number of lines on the X and Y access of the render output.
Those black bars are the result of external scaling methods, it's no different than me playing my Xbox 360 at 720p with a 16:9 aspect ratio on my 4:3 aspect ratio HD CRT, it adds black bars to the top and bottom of the image because the aspect ratio is not native to the display.
That is bullshit you can get displays on certain size which has smaller pixel density than smaller ones,in fact we saw that on phones allot,a 4k TV of 50 inch has a far higher pixel density than a 60inch 1080p one.
You are a fool in what freaking language do we have to tell you that The Order doesn't upscale at all neither your TV or PS4 upscale the game is natively 1920x800p.
Clean image quality is a key factor in delivering a strong filmic look and The Order: 1886 turns in a solid performance here. One of the first controversies surrounding the game is its 2.40:1 aspect ratio which renders fewer pixels while maintaining 1:1 pixel mapping on native 1080p displays.
If you don't know what 1.1 pixel mapping mean on a 1080p display shoot your self.
@bigfatmistake said:
Why can't PS4/XBO do 1080p/60fps on demanding titles?
Also why are PS4 Cultists so happy about this, but then in anti-PC threads talk about 4k not making a difference vs. 900p?
For the same reason the MAJORITY of PC can't either..
@tormentos: Just reading your post I now understand why you are engaged in so many arguments that you actually lose horribly but think you win because people just say **** it and walk away as you're so insufferable to deal with. You're not technologically sound, you don't understand half of what you're discussing and it's become painfully clear in dealing with you that your unhinged arrogant and ignorant nature makes it impossible for you to hold any form of rational dialog as you dismiss fact willingly.
Also your inability to properly understand and convey English turns everything into a clusterfuck of misunderstood context, you're using context for things I said that is not even remotely what I was saying or even implying, you're trying to correct me by saying the same things I said? You're correcting me for things I never said? You might want to dial things back a notch before you go nuclear, your language barrier is an extremely large issue with discussions and it's got me reiterating things multiple times that native English speakers get right off the bat.
I'm out man, I cannot tolerate you any further, your intelligence, comprehension abilities and language skills are too far below mine to hold any form of a rational or productive discussion. I have to repeat myself too many times, I have to show burden of proof for the same things repeatedly and you still do not understand.
When I speak with you I legitimately feel like I am engaged with a lesser being, something sub-human, and it's gone on long enough, this is over, it's been over.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
One would hope and it's just not a PS4 clone. Though I'd be pissed as an Xbox One owner.
Yup, MS just put the middle finger up at us loyal early adopters and fans.
A!l the more reason to get it for PC. I think we need to be less concerned with the graphics and more concerned with the pedestrian gameplay though. Ohh another cover based shooter with the added twist of a time manipulation mechanic woopty doo. Those two ideas might not have come together in a game before but it still seems so uninspired and just plain boring. I also feel !ike this is one of those games where you're just way too overpowered. And why even use a gun? I can fucking control time...I am the master of all things.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
Sucks for anyone who bought an Xbox One though.
Why?
As a PS4 owner I won't be mad if Sony releases a PS4.5.
No excuse for 720p in 2016. Thankfully Phil has already confirmed we'll see improved hardware sooner than expected, so this won't be an issue going forward.
One would hope and it's just not a PS4 clone. Though I'd be pissed as an Xbox One owner.
Yup, MS just put the middle finger up at us loyal early adopters and fans.
MS is kinda getting their butts kicked by Sony and I'm guessing they just want to be more competitive.
Nice spin but you already know I'm talking about the exclusively subHD game Crapzone:Shadow Fail made by the first party Garbage Games. lol 900pStation, not even WiiU has a subHD game this gen. Remember the famous lawsuit against Sony and Garbage games for the lie for passing it off as 1080p.
Crapzone is not sub HD,so AGAIN i don't know what your talking about.
But hey i didn't defend sony fool in fact i was one of the few who claim sony should not have lie about the resolution.
By the way is no different than when MS promise all games to be 720p on xbox 360 and on launch deliver its onw first party game Perfect Dark Zero in lower than 720p resolution,so did many other including every single Halo game but Halo 4,that was advertised as 720p on the cover but were all lower resolution.
But since you are a lemming in disguise you will not see that...lol
Did you even read your link, Sony drone? Out of court settlement doesn't mean dismissed. Sony did end up paying to that lie one way or another but definitely lot less in case the case proceeds and Sony would have lost. :P
Oh and Killzone is subHD, keep up the DC. 1080i is less than 720p. Suck that. lol again you can't defend your overlord Sony so back to bashing MS and in a matter of two post I become a lemming again. tsk tsk tsk, the flipflopping.
PC is kicking the shit out of 900pStation but that's to be expected since it's made up of cheap ass tablet CPU and GPU that barely matches a 570 from 2010.
Why can't PS4/XBO do 1080p/60fps on demanding titles?
They obviously can. It's not like the dev's make a game and just hope the console can deliver the horsepower. They had the choice between 1080P / 60 FPS and 720/30FPS, and the chose the former because it let them do more graphically.
The bigger concern with this game should be the potentially uninspired gameplay that keeps representing it. Though it's hard to not be a little baffled by this resolution and framerate since it was likely meant to make the most out of the Xbox One's hardware.
I'm only bothering with this game via rental. I just hope the 30FPS being sported is consistent.
Nice spin but you already know I'm talking about the exclusively subHD game Crapzone:Shadow Fail made by the first party Garbage Games. lol 900pStation, not even WiiU has a subHD game this gen. Remember the famous lawsuit against Sony and Garbage games for the lie for passing it off as 1080p.
Crapzone is not sub HD,so AGAIN i don't know what your talking about.
But hey i didn't defend sony fool in fact i was one of the few who claim sony should not have lie about the resolution.
By the way is no different than when MS promise all games to be 720p on xbox 360 and on launch deliver its onw first party game Perfect Dark Zero in lower than 720p resolution,so did many other including every single Halo game but Halo 4,that was advertised as 720p on the cover but were all lower resolution.
But since you are a lemming in disguise you will not see that...lol
Did you even read your link, Sony drone? Out of court settlement doesn't mean dismissed. Sony did end up paying to that lie one way or another but definitely lot less in case the case proceeds and Sony would have lost. :P
Oh and Killzone is subHD, keep up the DC. 1080i is less than 720p. Suck that. lol again you can't defend your overlord Sony so back to bashing MS and in a matter of two post I become a lemming again. tsk tsk tsk, the flipflopping.
PC is kicking the shit out of 900pStation but that's to be expected since it's made up of cheap ass tablet CPU and GPU that barely matches a 570 from 2010.
Why aren't you banned for spreading BS? KZ's campaign is 1920 x 1080 native and EVERYBODY knows that by now, just gtfo already.
LOL indeed TC. The redunkilus false narrative again that just higher resolution makes a game look better than another with lower resolution but lets forget everything else that's going on with a game.
Go play Pong at 5020P 120 fps to be impressed. The disingenuous never ends around here when it comes to anything Xbox. lol :P
@tormentos: Just reading your post I now understand why you are engaged in so many arguments that you actually lose horribly but think you win because people just say **** it and walk away as you're so insufferable to deal with. You're not technologically sound, you don't understand half of what you're discussing and it's become painfully clear in dealing with you that your unhinged arrogant and ignorant nature makes it impossible for you to hold any form of rational dialog as you dismiss fact willingly.
Also your inability to properly understand and convey English turns everything into a clusterfuck of misunderstood context, you're using context for things I said that is not even remotely what I was saying or even implying, you're trying to correct me by saying the same things I said? You're correcting me for things I never said? You might want to dial things back a notch before you go nuclear, your language barrier is an extremely large issue with discussions and it's got me reiterating things multiple times that native English speakers get right off the bat.
I'm out man, I cannot tolerate you any further, your intelligence, comprehension abilities and language skills are too far below mine to hold any form of a rational or productive discussion. I have to repeat myself too many times, I have to show burden of proof for the same things repeatedly and you still do not understand.
When I speak with you I legitimately feel like I am engaged with a lesser being, something sub-human, and it's gone on long enough, this is over, it's been over.
Oh please the problem here is that you can't tolerate being proven wrong B4X that is always your problem.
Now you don't understand what you are arguing and it shows upscaling anything to higher resolution mean you don't get a native image period,the xbox one has only 1 scaler and we all know what it does and how it works,so claiming you get a native 1080p pipeline is a joke when the image was upscale.
Now drop your pathetic excuse QB is a 720p game move on is not the first one or last one on xbox one..
@bigfatmistake said:
You know even 10% of PC's is more than the amount of PS4 consoles right? I guarantee more PC's can do 1080p/60fps than PS4s.
Both consoles are behind.
Oh please steam has like 100+ million users the PS4 has 36 millions so yeah is way more than 10%,oh and i am not counting the xbox one which rise that number close to 50% of steam.
That is funny considering most PC don't have a GPU as powerful as a R270 let alone something stronger,so yeah the majority is not on 60FPS 1080p,in fact most PC are in 1080p but not 60FPS.
By the way it doesn't change the fact that MOST PC GAMERS CANT EITHER.
@zeeshanhaider said:
Did you even read your link, Sony drone? Out of court settlement doesn't mean dismissed. Sony did end up paying to that lie one way or another but definitely lot less in case the case proceeds and Sony would have lost. :P
Oh and Killzone is subHD, keep up the DC. 1080i is less than 720p. Suck that. lol again you can't defend your overlord Sony so back to bashing MS and in a matter of two post I become a lemming again. tsk tsk tsk, the flipflopping.
PC is kicking the shit out of 900pStation but that's to be expected since it's made up of cheap ass tablet CPU and GPU that barely matches a 570 from 2010.
Yes i did dismiss here is a free PS4 game and a controller and you pay your own lawyers,the settlement comes not from sony admitting it did wrong,but from the fact that is cost effective to give them a small sume or gift instead of paying lawyer millions..lol
NO is not you don't know what sub HD mean fool,unless you want to claim now that 1080i is sub HD...hahahaa
No 1080i is not less than 720p fool in fact the pixel density is over 1 million pixels higher than 720p.
The problem with 1080i stride on the fact that people last gen use to upscale 720p or even lower resolutions to 1080i creating a problem so if you have a 720p game is better to run it in 720p than in 1080i,but if you have a true 1080i is better to render it at that resolution.
Killzone SF is 960x1080 which still is over 1 million pixels and higher than 720p fool,but but but Killzone is sub HD..hahahaa
lol GPU more powerful than the PS4 since 2009,yet the majority don't own a GPU as powerful as the PS4,damn peasants inside the master race..hahaha
I guess than when you really want to play DOTA 2 or Counter Strike you don't need anything more than a toaster call me when the majority of steam is over 1080p,and when that 20+ % drops 768p...lol
@gpuking said:
Why aren't you banned for spreading BS? KZ's campaign is 1920 x 1080 native and EVERYBODY knows that by now, just gtfo already.
He has to convince him self that he did the right choice every way,while he begs that PS4 games land on PC,...hahaaa
Apologies for the double post, but do check out these videos for the game.
I recommend watching them on the Gamersyde player as it's one of best around. It's as close to uncrompressed footage as we'll get (set it for 1080p/60fps).
Apologies for the double post, but do check out these videos for the game.
I recommend watching them on the Gamersyde player as it's one of best around. It's as close to uncrompressed footage as we'll get (set it for 1080p/60fps).
@dynamitecop I think all the press copies handed out are xbox one versions, so unless the footage is from remedy/microsoft it's most likely xbone version
@dynamitecop I think all the press copies handed out are xbox one versions, so unless the footage is from remedy/microsoft it's most likely xbone version
If that's the case then that looks incredible, it looks to be much more of a raw video source.
The problem with DF footage in general and the irony really is that they use Youtube which compresses video to hell when breaking down the graphics of a game and trying to showcase them to the public.
@dynamitecop: I think so. The first video talks about the issues they encountered with the game, which seem like console issues rather than a fully fledged PC version issues.
@dynamitecop: I think so. The first video talks about the issues they encountered with the game, which seem like console issues rather than a fully fledged PC version issues.
Yeah apparently it is, see I watched those videos with my headset off, so I went into them with an unbiased objective mindset and came out quite impressed with what I saw bar a few small issues. Going back through them with the audio on and hearing the criticism it completely changes your perspective on what you saw. I'm not saying it looks any worse than the first time, because it doesn't, but the simple act of listening to the guy criticize the game in motion introduced doubt into my mind of what I was seeing and how I felt about it.
I'm not saying these technical breakdowns are bad, but they really can twist the way you feel about something unnaturally and in a way make you 'care' about things you shouldn't worry about at all. It's like getting a new car that you absolutely love and are completely happy with, then people start picking it apart and saying it's ugly, questioning why you bought it and so on, it introduces doubt and remorse that you didn't actually feel, and personally I feel that is cancerous and damaging to personal perspective.
At least the cinematic effects look decent to cover up the low res. Love all types of awesome traversal/dodging combined with what I will describe as 'blink combat' where the character has a skill that makes them dart fast around into enemy faces to spunch them while you feel bad ass in the process.
An example of this would be the Zero Shift skill in Zone of The Enders 2: The Second Runner, it's literally the god tier example. After finally receiving the skill you practically become a fucking god and it's so satisfying.
Also some aspects of inFamous Second Son's smoke and neon powers.
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