LOL. SE releases FAQ for their Tomb Raider PR nightmare

While you may or may not be a member of the "Film Actors Guild," I still enjoy saying your name and reading your posts using the Matt Damon voice from Team America.

Could you please link a source?

SOOO much butt hurt followed by 'bu bu bu franchise doesn't matter anymore'.

Why are people asking about the indirect language used. What a stupid question.

Microsoft are investing money in the marketing and development of Rise of the Tomb Raider

Where this thing will go over time, just like Dead Rising or Ryse, we'll see what happens with the game. I don't own every iteration of Tomb Raider

Thanks for the links.

The confirmation that MS is putting money into the marketing, and specially development is one of the things i've been wanting to find out.

It's still abit vague whether or not MS studios is publishing, but that MS invesment definitely doesn't bold well for the potential release of a playstation version.

PC is 90% confirmed i guess. I can see a Ryse/DR3 case, releasing during the summer of 2016. We''ll have to wait and see on this one.

Again, thanks for the info.

This specific GAME in the IP franchise will not come to PS platforms. Further TR games down the road will if Microsoft doesn't money hat those also.

"I think it can be good for the franchise and good for gaming all up, because it's a franchise that's meant something, and we're going to be able to work with them and invest and try to put the marketing and everything else at a level, and we're active in working with them on the development of the game as well, to try to make it one of those franchises that stands out."

"Phil Spencer: I don't own them building Tomb Raider on other platforms, so I'm just not the person to talk to. I can't talk about the franchise that way. I can talk about the deal I have.

Phil Spencer: Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn't buy it. I don't own the franchise."

Notice how Specifically the PR statements in Spencer's and CDs answers talk about the franchise itself.... Tomb Raider / IP. Never once ROTR is brought into the PR speak. That is what he is considering HIS DEAL. This game alone is the Microsoft deal.

P. Spencer: "Now, obviously if I'm going to partner on it, I'm a platform holder, I'm hardly going to invest to go make the PlayStation version of any game. It is a business. So when we go invest with a partner on a big franchise, we're going to come with certain needs we have out of the relationship."

Another quote from Spencer. This game ROTR will not come to PS4 or PS3. Could another Tomb Raider / IP come to the PS4?

Yes. TR games will come to the PS4. This specific game in the franchise will not. I don't know what's so hard to understand from all of this?

Look at the wording in all the PR released so far.

EDIT: As far as the TIMED claim. That is a PC port of THIS game ROTR.

P. Spencer: "The deal we have in place is like the Ryse and DR3 deals we have"

Sorry lemmings, based God Phil said it was "similar" to DR3 and Ryse, meaning not only will there be a PC version but also a PS4 version.

Square Enix can do whatever it wants with the IP when the duration is over. Remember that, lems.

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That's not entirely accurate. While it did fail to meet Crystal Dynamics' very high early expectations; it was the biggest first week seller in the franchise history and it did go on to achieve profitability in 2013 and continue further on to make "significant contributions to our [Square Enix] overall financial performance".

Can you play DR3 and Ryse on a PS?

"Similar"

Similar as in Microsoft pays for development and Marketing. Then has a clause in the contract that the game can be release on anything other than Windows and Xbox?

Are you serious?

That's an assumption. For all we know it could come holiday 2016 when they inevitably release a remastered edition. Lol

lmao believing Phil's lies. Microsoft would be paying for development anyway, considering they constantly send engineers to try and get games to 1080p.

SE spreads the cost of marketing a bit for a game that'll get railroaded next year and then the PS4 version outsells Xbone a few months later. Win win.

LOL, oh Square what happened...

TR sold 3.5 million copies on the PS3. You guys act is if it's a 10 million seller?

Funding development... It's the exact same thing as developing. There is zero difference. In the end the MONEY makes the product. On the planet Earth.

I asked you, are you serious? You honestly believe what you type? After all the evidence that is right in your face?

P. Spencer: "Now, obviously if I'm going to partner on it, I'm a platform holder, I'm hardly going to invest to go make the PlayStation version of any game. It is a business. So when we go invest with a partner on a big franchise, we're going to come with certain needs we have out of the relationship."

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@RR360DD said:

LOL its not B-tier and TR was still better than the last Uncharted.. Funny that cows hype Uncharted 4, sequel to the very very average Uncharted 3.

Stay mad

lol not B-tier. This is what lemmings actually believe.

This image says everything you need to know about Box-Tick Raider. It's fitting MS rented the sequel - it overpromised and underdelivered.

So a game that was nominated as one of the best games of the year on every single platform is a B-tier game?

Self-ownage at it's finest.

Plus there would be no Devil's Third or Bayonetta 2 without Nintendo. Keep crying cow...

Not exactly. M$ has a history of letting games either launch on pc along side the xbox, or let them go to pc not to long after.

However, in the console business, they're clearly not interested in letting their big hitters go to the rival competitor.

I think this line is quite interesting, specially the part i bolded:

P. Spencer: "Now, obviously if I'm going to partner on it, I'm a platform holder, I'm hardly going to invest to go make the PlayStation version of any game. It is a business. So when we go invest with a partner on a big franchise, we're going to come with certain needs we have out of the relationship."

On the other hand, you are right about them doing 180s. DR3 was "definitely an xbox one exclusive", right until a pc version was announced. lol

With that said, i think MS really isn't going to pay for part of the development costs to only allow it to it the PS latter. It's what i've been thinking about regarding this whole exclusivity thing. But who knows.

Only real 100% way to confirm it is to wait, because of Microsofts past. However, i stand by my point that if MS studios are officially co-publishers, the chances of a playstation versions take a huge dive.

@sHaDyCuBe321: Your words are wasted on him. There are blatant facts leaning to this game being Xbox PC exclusive.

His bias will not accept it.

MS don't have a say with anything that Crystal Dynamics do with the Tomb Raider franchise or this game.

SMH you talk of MS "letting" TR go somewhere as if as if they control any part of where this game goes after the timed release ends, They don't.

Damn dude you are really desperate on this not releasing on PS systems and talk about others not holding their breath but it seems you are the one who is holding his breath harder than anyone else hoping it's not. if this game wasn't going to be on PS systems then there would me 0 reason to release this report.

Let me point out 2 facts to make it easier for you to understand.

1. If this game was only going to release on PC MS wouldn't even need the timed exclusive deal because they don't see PC as competition with consoles. They'd just release the same time on X1 and PC like Titanfall and call it a day.

2. If this game was only going to release on PC MS would STILL call it an exclusive using a term system wars is well familiar with "console exclusive".

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1. Were the fans considered when making this decision? Are Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix aware of the franchise history with PlayStation and on PC?
   Of course. We did not make this decision lightly. Our goal is to build the best game that we possibly can, and our relationship with Microsoft will help us realize our vision for the game."

wtf does that even mean? in what reality? the weakest of those systems mentioned... how does it effect the frigging quality of the game!

I hate PR.

God, you're such a fanboy. This is really important to you, isn't it?

None of you know the terms of the deal. MS may be marketing it in exchange for their limited exclusive. That does not mean it won't end up elsewhere. Since MS can't promise much in the way of sales....and I think it was the intent to deceive the public with the announcement. However...once again back lash forced MS' hand. Though honesty with it on the 360 they have to be stupid to think it will push X1 sales....

I don't think downplaying the aggravation that gamers showed towards this deal is the right thing.

I'm not a TR fan but I understand that a lot of ppl are...and I can completely understand why a lot of ppl would be upset that a 3rd party game with a history of not being exclusive all of a sudden became exclusive to a system that not doing as well as others.

I personally think Spencer should've just literally stuck to his "Only on Xbox holiday 2015" statement. All questions regarding ROTR should've been responded with that answer. Stop giving into entitled fanboy gamers. This was a great chance for MS to sell their console and now I don't even know if it was worth it for them to buy a timed exclusive deal.

Gamers need to stop taking everything so personally. The original TR re-boot didn't sell nearly as well as it should've so I'm sure SE were very thankful to have the extra money to fund the game or future projects. I would much rather a dev take a time-exclusive deal to help pad costs, a lot of developers have gone bankrupt, I'm sure that's great for gamers according to gamer logic now. All the people mad at Nintendo have no right to be either, B2 and Devil's Third would not even exist right now if it weren't for Nintendo funding the projects.

Also, to everyone crying about developing the game on the weaker system need to stop. Sega Genesis was weaker than SNES, that sure did stop great games from coming out on the system. The 3DS is weaker than the Vita, sure did stop the 3DS from having great games. PS2 was weaker than the original xbox, PS2 sure didn't have any great games. (this entire paragraph is sarcasm...just to be clear)

Well damn, so much for next gen.

I hope it stays as a Xbox/PC game forever. The butthurt it caused from Sony ponies it is a good indication that MS should keep funding 3rd parties IMO.

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@RR360DD said:

LOL please stop with the meltdowns cows, its getting embarassing

I'm sure you'll get the game... eventually

Meltdowns over what? A B-tier sequel to an average game that flopped financially and got a massive backlash among the fanbase?

Enjoy your desperation rental. We all know UC4, MGS5 and Halo 5 will run over Lara Croft's irrelevent corpse. :)

Meltdowns left and right..bwhahaha what a loser

@lostrib: well yeah, because you were all whining so much

And.................. scene....... because it wasn't dramatic enough, right? So CD knew about the deal. So its not like the studio wanted more money and a fat cat was willing to pay it. I remember when it was all "if MS was publishing or helping div the game fine, but...." well looks like they did. Still BAD, huh? Suck that Japanese c**k though.......

@s_h_a_d_o: Because of so much [disinformation] they had to [clarify] it.

Don't blame consumers for [justifiably] asking for such clarification.

Asked? Really? Complaints and threats are asking?

Perhaps you don't remember Sony doing the same thing to Sega Saturn fans. I was one of them, and it's quite fitting that it happens to them.

@GrenadeLauncher: why would the backlash be massive if the game was irrelevant?

@littlestreakier: How is being the fastest selling game in the franchise and surpassing sales goals not selling "nearly as well as it should"?

Because of the circumstances around it, lemming. Poor Phil and his lies. :)

It's not a meltdown if I'm laughing at you, lem. :)

My point being: TR overpromised and underdelivered. When all was said and done, no one cared.

What does Devil's Third or Bayo 2 have to do with anything, lemming? We've already established it was a multiplatform game. Nice work, lem.

Unfortunately even I bought a copy thanks to hype. Worse game I played last year, and the most generic game of last gen. Tickbox development with no soul. Can't imagine the sequel being any different.

Yeah, and that money is coming from Squeenix because there were already developing it.

Phil can say whatever he likes. He's compromised. No one believes him. And his shifting and sliminess means that, yes, it is coming to PS4. Enjoy your rental, Blackace4X. :)

Oh look, another bitter Segadrone. Bad news: by the time TR2 was in development the Saturn was already dead.

Tomb Raider was an OK game, it wasn't really Tomb Raider (not much in the way of raiding tombs) but it stood on its own as a good game.

Making a sequel to a game (especially one that came out less than a year ago on PS4) a full exclusive to one company is a scummy thing to do for the fans of the series, telling them to get X console when they have Y is not acceptable to play one game when it looks as if that was not always the plan, that's why there was a backlash.

Then it turns out they were not telling the truth about it being an exclusive, it is a timed exclusive but they do not want to give us the full details. Well OK that might have been acceptable if your own PR department didn't lie about it to begin with, both Microsoft and Square Enix lied then changed their story when further pressed on it.

Obviously the deal is not for a permanent console exclusive or they (Microsoft) would be shouting it from the rooftops and Square Enix would not be committing PR suicide with their PS fans by leaving them in limbo, so the fact that they are not willing to talk about the specifics speaks volumes.

I think perhaps Square Enix have learned a lesson about what not to do with exclusives... I hope. It's kinda of nasty thing, but I hope Square Enix suffers for it, it's the only way they are going to learn how not to treat their fan base. If it does end up coming out for PS then I hope everyone either skips it or waits for a price drop.

Microsoft are free to money hat whatever they like, the devs/publisher are the ones who need to be punished for it, I hope they cry as much as Crytek did with Ryse.

Have to say that disagreeing with consumers voicing their opinions blows dude.....as for weaker system.....it's for the 360 as well....a last gen console. So not a selling point.

As for your example...the Genesis came out before the SNES anyway.

lol sheens so butthurt.

I wasn't bitter then. I loved Sega and didn't care about TR. Its business just like TR going to the Xbox one is business. Once upon a time it was Sony with all of the cash and they dwarfed Nintendo and Sega. Its just funny to see it happen to them.

Sony is not built to last. When cloud gaming comes in the picture only 3 companies will have the infrastructure to be major players (Google, Apple, MS). That's my prediction.

Two weeks on and lemmings are still trying to stem the bleeding. Fantastic.

Oh yeah, a rental of TR. Dem deep pockets.

If/when all videogames are running off da clowd is when I plan to quit, so that's fine by me.

I love it.... Its both informative and treats candy ass gamers with literally no reason to bitch and do anyway, like the babies they are.

@GrenadeLauncher: Because of the circumstances around it, lemming. Poor Phil and his lies. :)

Fail. You said it, and it made no sense. I guess Kaz' c*ck in your mouth distracted you.

Not my problem if you can't understand basic consequence, lem. :)

Caintao isn't remotely a lem. :S

Something that has no relevance caused a massive backlash? Your words, not mine. Illogical. In order to stir a massive backlash, it had to have relevance other wise it would have silently passed by. Sort of like you posting in this thread how long after? Because its irrelevant, sure thing.

Last TR game sold best among Playstation fans/owners. It's coming to PS4.

The backlash was caused by Phil's typical lies about something after months of him trying to present himself as a "breath of fresh air," at least that's what lemmings tried.

Enlighten me as to what lies he told.