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#1 Slambo86
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be a total MGS4 rip off? I can so see Sam going through this aging and emotional stage....the game was obvious halted for the fact that it looked like garbage early on, compared to 4. (once ubi had a chance to play mgs4 ;)

convictions will focuse more greatly in characters...willing to bet Sam will have a battle with a strong and well developed boss.ALA snake with Ocelot/liquid.

can't wait to see the cheesy/love scenes in this game and just the added emotional factors. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the SC games, GAMEPLAY-WISE..but the story for the majority of them were terrible..with the typical CIA BS. Anyhow..should be interesting.

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#2 Gun_N_Run-_-
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It's called splinter cell and IMO it's better than MGS .
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Someone is jealous. ;) Splinter Cell is back and the MP is going to be way better then MGO.

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#4 AAllxxjjnn
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I'd take typical CIA bull**** over typical anime bull**** with no direction.
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#6 Slambo86
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Someone is jealous. ;) Splinter Cell is back and the MP is going to be way better then MGO.

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jealous? JEALOUS? MGS is much MUCH better game IMO. With MGS4 scoring 10 and 5 on the way..no doubt, i'm just playing my violin and laughing with a nice smile on my face. :)
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I'm love the MGS series but SC has always beat the MGS series when it comes to gamplay. While the MGS series always beat the SC series in terms of story and characters (excpet MGS4 story was rather weak compared to MS2,3 and 1.

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#8 Nerd_Man
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Sam Fisher has change years ago. I don't see why you now bring this up with how he's changing from his younger self.

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#9 RocKtheCasbaH
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There's your dilmea. MGS should naver have scored 10, more of an 8.5 IMO. and that's being generous. The extra 1.5 was given by reviewers carried away on the hype train.

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#10 alextherussian
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I dont see how the two games can really be compared. One cant shut up and the other never really says anything.
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#11 Slambo86
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There's your dilmea. MGS should naver have scored 10, more of an 8.5 IMO. and that's being generous. The extra 1.5 was given by reviewers carried away on the hype train.

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how can a game score higher due to hype? Reviewers play the game and the majority scored it very high. Hype doesn't make you like a game that isn't good...wtf, kind of a logic is that? MGS4 isn't everyones game..obviously. but that doesn't mean it sucks..different tastes. Too bad for you, the majority love it to death and the scores show this.
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#12 Nerd_Man
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[QUOTE="RocKtheCasbaH"]

There's your dilmea. MGS should naver have scored 10, more of an 8.5 IMO. and that's being generous. The extra 1.5 was given by reviewers carried away on the hype train.

Slambo86

how can a game score higher due to hype? Reviewers play the game and the majority scored it very high. Hype doesn't make you like a game that isn't good...wtf, kind of a logic is that? MGS4 isn't everyones game..obviously. but that doesn't mean it sucks..different tastes. Too bad for you, the majority love it to death and the scores show this.

Yeah, otherwise games like Lair and Halo Wars would have scored higher on Gamespot... Right?

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I see all subtlety is being thrown by the wayside here. Interesting approach.
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#14 Slambo86
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[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="RocKtheCasbaH"]

There's your dilmea. MGS should naver have scored 10, more of an 8.5 IMO. and that's being generous. The extra 1.5 was given by reviewers carried away on the hype train.

Nerd_Man

how can a game score higher due to hype? Reviewers play the game and the majority scored it very high. Hype doesn't make you like a game that isn't good...wtf, kind of a logic is that? MGS4 isn't everyones game..obviously. but that doesn't mean it sucks..different tastes. Too bad for you, the majority love it to death and the scores show this.

Yeah, otherwise games like Lair and Halo Wars would have scored higher on Gamespot... Right?

sorry i don't follow? You said it only score high because they jumped on the hype train. How does hype determin a score or alter the reviewers tastes in a game? answer me this.
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#15 Nerd_Man
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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]

[QUOTE="Slambo86"] how can a game score higher due to hype? Reviewers play the game and the majority scored it very high. Hype doesn't make you like a game that isn't good...wtf, kind of a logic is that? MGS4 isn't everyones game..obviously. but that doesn't mean it sucks..different tastes. Too bad for you, the majority love it to death and the scores show this. Slambo86

Yeah, otherwise games like Lair and Halo Wars would have scored higher on Gamespot... Right?

sorry i don't follow? You said it only score high because they jumped on the hype train. How does hype determin a score or alter the reviewers tastes in a game? answer me this.

Oh I'm not the one who said MGS4 scored high because of hype. I was supporting your claim, by giving you an example of two games that had massive amounts of hype, yet scored poorly in the end here on GS. Because it is not the hype of a game that determines the game, but the quality it has in the end.

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can't wait to see the cheesy/love scenes in this game and just the added emotional factors. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the SC games, GAMEPLAY-WISE..but the story for the majority of them were terrible..with the typical CIA BS. Anyhow..should be interesting.

Slambo86

what did you expect from a tom clancy game? i thought the mistake they made in da was making the story centre around sam, i preferred it when sam was the guy who came in cleaned up the mess and left without a trace. dont know what to expect at all with this new sc game but im hoping its not as you describe

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#17 kingdre
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Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

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#18 AAllxxjjnn
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Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

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I'd also go as far to say Thief does stealth better than MGS as well.
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I'm really looking forward to what they've changed. And the changes I believe are due to these 2 things: 1.) Too similar to AC 2.) Ubi saw/played MGS4 and went back to the drawing board :P.
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#20 Episode_Eve
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Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

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I prefer "Sleeper Cell". And "Movie Gear Solid" lol.
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#22 alextherussian
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[QUOTE="kingdre"]

Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

AAllxxjjnn
I'd also go as far to say Thief does stealth better than MGS as well.

before deadly shadows (3) came out..yeah..
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#23 IgGy621985
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(convictions)

be a total MGS4 rip off? I can so see Sam going through this aging and emotional stage....the game was obvious halted for the fact that it looked like garbage early on, compared to 4. (once ubi had a chance to play mgs4 ;)

convictions will focuse more greatly in characters...willing to bet Sam will have a battle with a strong and well developed boss.ALA snake with Ocelot/liquid.

can't wait to see the cheesy/love scenes in this game and just the added emotional factors. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the SC games, GAMEPLAY-WISE..but the story for the majority of them were terrible..with the typical CIA BS. Anyhow..should be interesting.

Slambo86

Well, I like both Splinter Cell and MGS

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#24 LieutenantFeist
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I'd probably enjoy Splinter Cell more than MGS

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#25 jasonharris48
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Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

kingdre

Thief series> Splinter Cell series> MGS Series when it comes to stealth gameplay.

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#26 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="kingdre"]

Splinter Smell... that's cute. :roll:

It's the only game that does stealth better than MGS imo.

jasonharris48

Thief series> Splinter Cell series> MGS Series when it comes to stealth gameplay.

Never played Thief so I can't attest to it's quality...Good thing MGS isn't solely reliant on stealth though. It's extremely varied and balanced :).
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#27 CAlNlAC
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I'm love the MGS series but SC has always beat the MGS series when it comes to gamplay. While the MGS series always beat the SC series in terms of story and characters (excpet MGS4 story was rather weak compared to MS2,3 and 1.

jasonharris48

Yeah thats pretty much exactly the way I feel too.

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#28 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

I'm love the MGS series but SC has always beat the MGS series when it comes to gamplay. While the MGS series always beat the SC series in terms of story and characters (excpet MGS4 story was rather weak compared to MS2,3 and 1.

CAlNlAC

Yeah thats pretty much exactly the way I feel too.

Gameplay in general, naw. I'd say. But core stealth play, sure.
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#29 CAlNlAC
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[QUOTE="CAlNlAC"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

I'm love the MGS series but SC has always beat the MGS series when it comes to gamplay. While the MGS series always beat the SC series in terms of story and characters (excpet MGS4 story was rather weak compared to MS2,3 and 1.

Episode_Eve

Yeah thats pretty much exactly the way I feel too.

Gameplay in general, naw. I'd say. But core stealth play, sure.

Well yeah. Thats the reason I guess I tend to prefer the gameplay of SC because it is more about the stealth where MGS is kinda like stealth-action.

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#30 killerfist
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Who cares if it'll rip-off MGS4 (which I doubt). More MGS is always welcome.
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Splinter Cell series is just as good as MGS series. We don't know how SC:C will be.
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#32 SpinoRaptor24
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Well I'm really glad that they're changing the formula.

I really hated the direction SC was going.

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#33 Episode_Eve
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Well I'm really glad that they're changing the formula.

I really hated the direction SC was going.

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I liked the crowd stealth and hobo Sam.
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#34 SpinoRaptor24
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Well I'm really glad that they're changing the formula.

I really hated the direction SC was going.

Episode_Eve

I liked the crowd stealth and hobo Sam.

I didn't. Felt too much like Assassins Creed, a game which I disliked.

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#35 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Well I'm really glad that they're changing the formula.

I really hated the direction SC was going.

Episode_Eve
I liked the crowd stealth and hobo Sam.

Hobo sam looked pretty cool. Beard was badass.
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Well I'm really glad that they're changing the formula.

I really hated the direction SC was going.

SpinoRaptor24

I liked the crowd stealth and hobo Sam.

I didn't. Felt too much like Assassins Creed, a game which I disliked.

Ahh, makes sense. I never played AC so... That's one of the reasons they're changing it though I'm sure. I did like that you could interact with every thing in the world. Hopefully they retain that aspect.
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Splinter Cell always had Fisher as older character, in ChaosTheory he was already over 50ty, so if anythin it's MGS4 that ripped Splinter Cell.
Anyway I doubt they will try copying MGS4, SplinterCell always was down to Earth and logical. MGS always was silly B-movie like stuff. MGS4 especially was totall mess of G.I.Joe mixed with soap opera. I seriously doubt Ubisoft will take this route with new Splinter Cell

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No one, including the developers, makes the comparison between MGS and SC except for a few insecure fanboys on an internet forum.

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#39 SpinoRaptor24
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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] I liked the crowd stealth and hobo Sam.Episode_Eve

I didn't. Felt too much like Assassins Creed, a game which I disliked.

Ahh, makes sense. I never played AC so... That's one of the reasons they're changing it though I'm sure. I did like that you could interact with every thing in the world. Hopefully they retain that aspect.

I just want them to keep the awesome gadgets from previous SC games.

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#40 rybe1025
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They are not even the same thing. Splinter cell is a stealth sim and mgs is a action game with the ability to play with stealth.

Also "Splinter Smell" ...Really??? That sounds kinda 3rd gradish don't you think?

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No one, including the developers, makes the comparison between MGS and SC except for a few insecure fanboys on an internet forum.

Blue-Sky
More than "insecure fanboys" compare and contrast the two (and other titles in the sub-genre). It's only natural. Kojima even gave a nod to Ubi for placing an identical model of Sam in a MGS3 teaser trailer as an easter egg of sorts.
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#42 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

No one, including the developers, makes the comparison between MGS and SC except for a few insecure fanboys on an internet forum.

Episode_Eve
More than "insecure fanboys" compare and contrast the two (and other titles in the sub-genre). It's only natural. Kojima even gave a nod to Ubi for placing an identical model of Sam in a MGS3 teaser trailer as an easter egg of sorts.

Sam Fisher fights Raiden 8)
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MGS4's story was so complicated that it ended up being crap and breaten by halo 3's story.
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A pandora remake would make me happy....but that won't happen.
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#45 Slambo86
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Splinter Cell always had Fisher as older character, in ChaosTheory he was already over 50ty, so if anythin it's MGS4 that ripped Splinter Cell.
Anyway I doubt they will try copying MGS4, SplinterCell always was down to Earth and logical. MGS always was silly B-movie like stuff. MGS4 especially was totall mess of G.I.Joe mixed with soap opera. I seriously doubt Ubisoft will take this route with new Splinter Cell

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u have no idea what your on about. how the hell did mgs4 rip off SC? MGS has been around since 1985.

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how can a game score higher due to hype? Slambo86
Like...all the time?
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I'm looking forward to it VERY much. Hopefully it comes out this year. But I think they had a major change of plans. Went back to the drawing board. And I know Malta will too since it's rumored to be set on the island Malta :).
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(convictions)

be a total MGS4 rip off? I can so see Sam going through this aging and emotional stage....the game was obvious halted for the fact that it looked like garbage early on, compared to 4. (once ubi had a chance to play mgs4 ;)

convictions will focuse more greatly in characters...willing to bet Sam will have a battle with a strong and well developed boss.ALA snake with Ocelot/liquid.

can't wait to see the cheesy/love scenes in this game and just the added emotional factors. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the SC games, GAMEPLAY-WISE..but the story for the majority of them were terrible..with the typical CIA BS. Anyhow..should be interesting.

Slambo86

i doubt it will have that many hours of cut scenes, atleast i hope it doesnt

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#49 RocKtheCasbaH
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There's your dilmea. MGS should naver have scored 10, more of an 8.5 IMO. and that's being generous. The extra 1.5 was given by reviewers carried away on the hype train.

Slambo86

how can a game score higher due to hype? Reviewers play the game and the majority scored it very high. Hype doesn't make you like a game that isn't good...wtf, kind of a logic is that? MGS4 isn't everyones game..obviously. but that doesn't mean it sucks..different tastes. Too bad for you, the majority love it to death and the scores show this.

So you're saying that reviewers are never influenced from the hype surrounding a game? I'm not saying they go from pole to pole but they most definitely are influenced on occasion. MSG4 was one of those occasions. Halo 2 is another that got a +1 on it's score that springs to mind. Sure, there's examples of games that were hyped but still reviewed objectively, KZ2 for example,but there's plenty of other you have to take with a pinch of salt. MGS4 was a good game but it was in no way, shape or form a 10/10. Just my 0.02.

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#50 Englandfc1966
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Well it's a known fact MGS4 looks bad and plays bad so Conviction should be better.