Main advantage for Consoles over PC

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My only point was that a lot of REGULAR GAMERS buy consoles because they like to have the ability to play local multiplayer built in, rather than having to reconfigure things first. Vandalvideo

(As a supplement to my point) the option might be available on the PC, but it's not AS available on the PC. As an option, it has less support from games and gamers, with a narrower variety of local multiplayer-capable games to choose from.

Yeah, you are goign to conventions. I believe there are large conventions for consoles as well that MLG provides and all that. The thing is, not everyone does that, especially your average gamer, even your somewhat hardcore gamer. From the article I just read, which does stick to about 260 million PC gamers, also says how it is hard to know exactly the revenue and all that due to a lot of PC games being free. It doesn't say the time period these sales numbers are over, but I assume it has been a lot longer then this generation, which would make the total sales of all consoles from previous gens probably somewhere near it, right? The PS2 sold 100+ million alone last gen.LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Perhaps for a very small minority of games, but in any case it's not anywhere near as accessible to take advantage of those games on a PC as it is to do it on a console.And just a question, but exactly how many games and what variety of games are available on the PC that actually support local multiplayer?No, it doesn't even begin to even out. Unless the vast majority of PC gamers participate in those kinds of events, the numbers involved those events doesn't even compare to the number of people who play local multiplayer on a console.mjarantilla

*sigh*

Whatever. You're impossible to argue with.

My only point was that a lot of REGULAR GAMERS buy consoles because they like to have the ability to play local multiplayer built in, rather than having to reconfigure things first.

dont bother arguing with him, he'll choose facts and evidence that support his claim but choose to ignore others. you can't exactly argue with a hermit.

Hey, I'm a hermit, too.

sorry. anyway i wouldnt clasify you as a hermit, a pc fan or a pc gamer sure. a hermit is as a blind as any fanboy to me.

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]

So where are you getting the popularity of the PC over consoles?

br0kenrabbit

As boys get older, they migrate to plug-and-play TV games, then previous-generation consoles and handhelds. At age 10, they move to cell-phone gaming and the current crop of systems from Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. On the other hand, girls tend to leave gaming behind as they get older.

Looks like the PC is attracting new gamers, but failing to retain them.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My only point was that a lot of REGULAR GAMERS buy consoles because they like to have the ability to play local multiplayer built in, rather than having to reconfigure things first. Arjdagr8

theres splitscreen gears of war, halo 2, call of duty 4? the fighting games (e.g. tekken, smash), racing splitscreen, fight night, sports games (far more popular on consoles). this is what he was talking about.

this is what he meant by better social interactivity. your friends come over, grab a controller, sit on the couch and play. no fuss, no hassle. you really think that after school or work my friends would bring their pc over to my house for some LAN, set it up. in my house and im sure in many others, there isnt another table to put the second pc on in the same room, so you would have to move it to another room where there is. hassle much.

i think this is what you meant mjarantilla

this is what he meant by better social interactivity. your friends come over, grab a controller, sit on the couch and play. no fuss, no hassle. you really think that after school or work my friends would bring their pc over to my house for some LAN, set it up. in my house and im sure in many others, there isnt another table to put the second pc on in the same room, so you would have to move it to another room where there is. hassle much. Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My only point was that a lot of REGULAR GAMERS buy consoles because they like to have the ability to play local multiplayer built in, rather than having to reconfigure things first. mjarantilla

(As a supplement to my point) the option might be available on the PC, but it's not AS available on the PC. As an option, it has less support from games and gamers, with a narrower variety of local multiplayer-capable games to choose from.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]this is what he meant by better social interactivity. your friends come over, grab a controller, sit on the couch and play. no fuss, no hassle. you really think that after school or work my friends would bring their pc over to my house for some LAN, set it up. in my house and im sure in many others, there isnt another table to put the second pc on in the same room, so you would have to move it to another room where there is. hassle much. Vandalvideo

name them

lol, vandal is really desperate today.

Hope your friends have teamspeak installed.

name themArjdagr8

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My only point was that a lot of REGULAR GAMERS buy consoles because they like to have the ability to play local multiplayer built in, rather than having to reconfigure things first. Vandalvideo

(As a supplement to my point) the option might be available on the PC, but it's not AS available on the PC. As an option, it has less support from games and gamers, with a narrower variety of local multiplayer-capable games to choose from.

My original statement was that consoles are purchased as much if not more for local social interaction as they are for individual gaming, while gaming PCs are purchased primarily for individual gaming. I was speaking to the topic of this thread, not to you.

And YOU said that it wasn't available at all, too. You agreed with my statement ("Of course") that spontaneous local multiplayer isn't really possible.

My original statement was that consoles are purchased as much if not more for local social interaction as they are for individual gaming, while gaming PCs are purchased primarily for individual gaming. I was speaking to the topic of this thread, not to you.And YOU said that it wasn't available at all, too. You agreed with my statement that spontaneous local multiplayer isn't really possible.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My original statement was that consoles are purchased as much if not more for local social interaction as they are for individual gaming, while gaming PCs are purchased primarily for individual gaming. I was speaking to the topic of this thread, not to you.And YOU said that it wasn't available at all, too. You agreed with my statement that spontaneous local multiplayer isn't really possible.Vandalvideo

Except YOU agreed that it wasn't possible.

From a previous edit:
And conventions and tournaments can be created spontaneously to suit demand. Games cannot. If a PC gamer buys a PC for the express purpose of local multiplayer, and he finds the library lacking, he can't do anything about it. If a console gamer buys a console for the express purpose of playing in tournaments, he can set one up himself fairly easily.

(I hate reposting my edits, but you just respond too damn fast.)

All discussions on this board compairing PC and console gaming usually boil down to two things, price and power. But while these may be the main issues for a lot of people on this board, the real reason why console versions of games sell more is because of convenience.

While it is not an issue for most people here, including myself. A lot of people don't have the skills required to get the most out of PC gaming. People want to be able to buy a game, take it home, stick it in the system and play, they don't want to have to worry about system requirements or installing or dealing with free hard drive space.

Although, even though I have a pretty good computer that I spent a lot more money on than I did my Xbox 360, and do a fair share of gaming on it, I do more gaming on my 360, because it is easier to just put the disc in and play than to boot up the computer go into the game, make sure the settings are correct, and depending on if I have added anything new lately, make sure there are no hardware conflicts or any other such issues. I know that I won't have those issues, so I just play games on the 360.

This is how I feel about it. What do you guys think? Both PC and console gamers?

iamdanthaman

Except YOU agreed that it wasn't possible.From a previous edit: And conventions and tournaments can be created spontaneously to suit demand. Games cannot. If a PC gamer buys a PC for the express purpose of local multiplayer, and he finds the library lacking, he can't do anything about it. If a console gamer buys a console for the express purpose of playing in tournaments, he can set one up himself fairly easily.(I hate reposting my edits, but you just respond too damn fast.)mjarantilla

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]Yeah, you are goign to conventions. I believe there are large conventions for consoles as well that MLG provides and all that. The thing is, not everyone does that, especially your average gamer, even your somewhat hardcore gamer. From the article I just read, which does stick to about 260 million PC gamers, also says how it is hard to know exactly the revenue and all that due to a lot of PC games being free. It doesn't say the time period these sales numbers are over, but I assume it has been a lot longer then this generation, which would make the total sales of all consoles from previous gens probably somewhere near it, right? The PS2 sold 100+ million alone last gen.Vandalvideo

That's the thing. I and many others, outweighing those who do go to these conventions, would prefer not to pack up our PCs and take them to a gaming convention. I know most would rather just rather have friends over or bring their consoles to a friend's house then to travel to a gaming convention. It's more then just devoting your entire weekend to gaming, as well. I could be at a house with a lot of my friends and have 8 people on two consoles. Or more if we wanted to. That would be better then going to a convention and spending all that time there. A majority wouldn't want to do that. Maybe that's the case for you and your friends, but not for all.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]name themVandalvideo

as i said, sports games are a crap load more popular on consoles, i have never heard kwonho, neither have my friends and gamerankings doesnt even have a single review on it. there is no splitscreen in gears of war i dont know what you're talking about. so that leaves serious sam....yeah thats definitely the same as the list i gave. :roll:

this proves mjarantilla's point that consoles are better with social interactivity with your friends just coming over.

That's the thing. I and many others, outweighing those who do go to these conventions, would prefer not to pack up our PCs and take them to a gaming convention. I know most would rather just rather have friends over or bring their consoles to a friend's house then to travel to a gaming convention. It's more then just devoting your entire weekend to gaming, as well. I could be at a house with a lot of my friends and have 8 people on two consoles. Or more if we wanted to. That would be better then going to a convention and spending all that time there. A majority wouldn't want to do that. Maybe that's the case for you and your friends, but not for all.LTomlinson21

as i said, sports games are a crap load more popular on consoles, i have never heard kwonho, neither have my friends and gamerankings doesnt even have a single review on it. there is no splitscreen in gears of war i dont know what you're talking about. so that leaves serious sam....yeah thats definitely the same as the list i gave. :roll:this proves mjarantilla's point that consoles are better with social interactivity with your friends just coming over.Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Except YOU agreed that it wasn't possible.From a previous edit: And conventions and tournaments can be created spontaneously to suit demand. Games cannot. If a PC gamer buys a PC for the express purpose of local multiplayer, and he finds the library lacking, he can't do anything about it. If a console gamer buys a console for the express purpose of playing in tournaments, he can set one up himself fairly easily.(I hate reposting my edits, but you just respond too damn fast.)Vandalvideo

"Of course" generally indicates agreement. But you're right, it IS possible. I've conceded that already a long time ago.

It STILL is not comparable to the level of social interaction on a console. As I said, those tournaments and conventions can be started and hosted pretty easily by anyone. I know I've done it a couple of times (not huge ones, but big enough). The same cannot be said of a games library. The number and variety of choices for local multiplayer on the PC still doesn't compare with consoles. At least, I don't think they do. Feel free to prove me wrong again. Just remember that blurting out genres doesn't do anything to prove your point except that at least one game exists in each genre.

Looks like the PC is attracting new gamers, but failing to retain them.

lowe0

It STILL is not comparable to the level of social interaction on a console. As I said, those tournaments and conventions can be started and hosted pretty easily by anyone. I know I've done it a couple of times (not huge ones, but big enough). The same cannot be said of a games library. The number and variety of choices for local multiplayer on the PC still doesn't compare with consoles. At least, I don't think they do. Feel free to prove me wrong again. Just remember that blurting out genres doesn't do anything to prove your point except that at least one game exists in each genremjarantilla

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]That's the thing. I and many others, outweighing those who do go to these conventions, would prefer not to pack up our PCs and take them to a gaming convention. I know most would rather just rather have friends over or bring their consoles to a friend's house then to travel to a gaming convention. It's more then just devoting your entire weekend to gaming, as well. I could be at a house with a lot of my friends and have 8 people on two consoles. Or more if we wanted to. That would be better then going to a convention and spending all that time there. A majority wouldn't want to do that. Maybe that's the case for you and your friends, but not for all.Vandalvideo

Ok, but what you're not getting is that a minority of the PC gamers are going to these conventions. It's not like every gamer attending conventions. Again, a good percentage of these 260 million "PC gamers" appear hardly to really game. They play free games, like Minesweeper.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]It STILL is not comparable to the level of social interaction on a console. As I said, those tournaments and conventions can be started and hosted pretty easily by anyone. I know I've done it a couple of times (not huge ones, but big enough). The same cannot be said of a games library. The number and variety of choices for local multiplayer on the PC still doesn't compare with consoles. At least, I don't think they do. Feel free to prove me wrong again. Just remember that blurting out genres doesn't do anything to prove your point except that at least one game exists in each genreVandalvideo

"Hundreds of thousands" getting involved in conventions every month doesn't compare to hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS playing local multiplayer on consoles at home every DAY.

Ok, but what you're not getting is that a minority of the PC gamers are going to these conventions. It's not like every gamer attending conventions. Again, a good percentage of these 260 million "PC gamers" appear hardly to really game. They play free games, like Minesweeper. LTomlinson21

Hundreds of thousands" getting involved in conventions every month doesn't compare to hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS playing local multiplayer on consoles at home every DAY.mjarantilla

LOL pes big on pc as much as consoles, omg i needed a good laugh before i go to sleep. no actually you chose to ignore mjarantilla's argument and also mine. exactly what you do with anyone that argues against you. you choose to ignore people's facts and evidence and arguments and come up with a different and lame rebuttal of your own. im sorry but i cannot argue with ignorance. you made my day though...pes as big on pc :lol:Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]It STILL is not comparable to the level of social interaction on a console. As I said, those tournaments and conventions can be started and hosted pretty easily by anyone. I know I've done it a couple of times (not huge ones, but big enough). The same cannot be said of a games library. The number and variety of choices for local multiplayer on the PC still doesn't compare with consoles. At least, I don't think they do. Feel free to prove me wrong again. Just remember that blurting out genres doesn't do anything to prove your point except that at least one game exists in each genremjarantilla

"Hundreds of thousands" getting involved in conventions every month doesn't compare to hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS playing local multiplayer on consoles at home every DAY.

exactly! well said

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]Ok, but what you're not getting is that a minority of the PC gamers are going to these conventions. It's not like every gamer attending conventions. Again, a good percentage of these 260 million "PC gamers" appear hardly to really game. They play free games, like Minesweeper. Vandalvideo

And you are acting like every single damn one of those 260 million people are playing Crysis with the best parts out now. While every single one of them is attending these "ever so popular" gaming conventions.

Or just see what mjarantilla just said.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]LOL pes big on pc as much as consoles, omg i needed a good laugh before i go to sleep. no actually you chose to ignore mjarantilla's argument and also mine. exactly what you do with anyone that argues against you. you choose to ignore people's facts and evidence and arguments and come up with a different and lame rebuttal of your own. im sorry but i cannot argue with ignorance. you made my day though...pes as big on pc :lol:Vandalvideo

mod support community =/ large pes community

max payne 2 still gets mod support but hardly anyone plays that game still (apart from me, love that game)

And you are acting like every single damn one of those 260 million people are playing Crysis with the best parts out now. While every single one of them is attending these "ever so popular" gaming conventions. LTomlinson21

mod support community =/ large pes communityArjdagr8

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]And you are acting like every single damn one of those 260 million people are playing Crysis with the best parts out now. While every single one of them is attending these "ever so popular" gaming conventions. Vandalvideo

What? So are you now saying that the PC online gaming community totals at about 260 million?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]And you are acting like every single damn one of those 260 million people are playing Crysis with the best parts out now. While every single one of them is attending these "ever so popular" gaming conventions. LTomlinson21

What? So are you now saying that the PC online gaming community totals at about 260 million?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Hundreds of thousands" getting involved in conventions every month doesn't compare to hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS playing local multiplayer on consoles at home every DAY.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]mod support community =/ large pes communityVandalvideo

i find this very ironic.

and dont cut out parts of my post to support your argument, its very foolish.

That is a good plan for a survey. Thank you. itll help people keep quite because then theyll understand more about the opposing side. I console game for multiple reasons but mainly because of the conveinience. I like poping in the disc (maybe taking a couple min to install) then gaming to my hearts content. I dont want to deal with Viruses or keyloggers. Im perfectly fine with a less than great game (graphically) compared to its PC counterpart if i get to sit back on my couch or bed and pwn people via a easily accessible online network on my 40in Bravia. sitting at my computer is bad for my back according to my *name falls out of memory* back alignment doctor???

Also the fact that i dont like Windows would hinder my ability to play games on the computer. However there are games that simply cannot work on a console (RTS and MMORPGS for sure) I play Warcraft 3 all the time on my Mac and I will be getting Spore on my Mac as well. (im thinking about getting a MiniDVI to DVI & DVI to HDMI plugs to get my mac hooked up to my TV so i can enjoy spore in its 40in glory :) but then ima need a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. :/ (expensive!)

i find this very ironicArjdagr8

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Hundreds of thousands" getting involved in conventions every month doesn't compare to hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS playing local multiplayer on consoles at home every DAY.Vandalvideo

Do you honestly need a study? I think an observation of the evolution of consoles for the past 15 years shows that multiplayer on consoles occur more frequent than they do on PC. With every console supporting up to 4 controllers and the PS3 supporting up to 7 controllers. Even if you don't consider the design of the consoles, the games certainly are another thing to look at...with nearly everyone of them supporting local multiplayer.

[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]And you are acting like every single damn one of those 260 million people are playing Crysis with the best parts out now. While every single one of them is attending these "ever so popular" gaming conventions. Vandalvideo

What? So are you now saying that the PC online gaming community totals at about 260 million?

Ok, I see the link where you got it from. Anyways, it fails too go into detail as to how what kind of "gamers" these people are. Even though you hate me saying this, how many of these online gamers are playing the games like Solitaire and other free online games like Mini-Putt? I would bet that would count for a large portion of online gamers, if they count that. The 263 million online gamers just seems to be a number with out much of a breakdown.

Do you honestly need a study? I think an observation of the evolution of consoles for the past 15 years shows that multiplayer on consoles occur more frequent than they do on PC. With every console supporting up to 4 controllers and the PS3 supporting up to 7 controllers. Even if you don't consider the design of the consoles, the games certainly are another thing to look at...with nearly everyone of them supporting local multiplayer.Pro_wrestler

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]i find this very ironicVandalvideo

actually you need to find evidence to show that it isnt ironic. of course just randomly saying pes is as big on pc as consoles with great sales sure helps your argument

how many of these online gamers are playing the games like Solitaire and other free online games like Mini-Putt? I would bet that would count for a large portion of online gamers, if they count that. The 263 million online gamers just seems to be a number with out much of a breakdownLTomlinson21

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]i find this very ironicArjdagr8

actually you need to find evidence to show that it isnt ironic. of course just randomly saying pes is as big on pc as consoles with great sales sure helps your argument

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Do you honestly need a study? I think an observation of the evolution of consoles for the past 15 years shows that multiplayer on consoles occur more frequent than they do on PC. With every console supporting up to 4 controllers and the PS3 supporting up to 7 controllers. Even if you don't consider the design of the consoles, the games certainly are another thing to look at...with nearly everyone of them supporting local multiplayer.Vandalvideo

common sense should tell you easily that what hes saying is true.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]i find this very ironicVandalvideo

actually you need to find evidence to show that it isnt ironic. of course just randomly saying pes is as big on pc as consoles with great sales sure helps your argument

except it says FIFA tops it AND it doesnt say pc sales. also that news applies to all versions of the game

http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/pes2008/news.html?sid=6184701