That's the thing. With PC's you have to know what you are buying. With consoles, you don't have to know a damn thing. You can go to walmart and buy any one of the major consoles and you know for sure that every single game made for that console will work perfectly on it.You cannot, however, go buy any random PC and expect every single game made for PCs to work on it. And please tell me that a $400 computer will run Crisis. I'm not talking about dropping $400 to upgrade your current PC, I'm talking about buy a new PC straight up.Mike1978SmithThats the thing? Oh please, you shouldn't expect a PC that came out one year prior to the 360 to run all the modern games anymore than you would expect a regular xbox to run 360 games. Its double standards and is completely silly. You can easily buy a PC for 500 bucks that runs crysis on high settings.
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That is not necessarily an advantage. That would just boil down to sheer preference.how about console-games?
there're are a lot that the PC can't deliver, especially including the nintendo the ones
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[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Read my above post...I didn't buy it seperately (I wouldn't take one for free)...it came with my PC. Vandal said if you have buy a modern pre-built PC that you will be able to run all modern day games...that's not true. Just because your PC is modern doesn't mean it will be capable of running modern day games on it...not all PC's are made for gaming. My PC is meant to be a media center (and it is a great one). It's modern but that doesn't mean it can play anything I want it too.VandalvideoLike I said, that is NOT a relatively modern PC. I could go buy a prebuilt with a Geforce 4mx. That doesn't make it any more modern.-_- Oh god. My PC specs= AMD Athlon X2 5000+ 2.60GHz,3GB of DDR2 RAM,400GB HDD at 7200RPM 3GB/S data transfer,DVD-Burner with LightScribe,ACE (something like that) mobo with 4xDDR2 dual-channel slots,pci-e x16 slot...etc,every card reader...etc. and integrate 6150se. No matter how you put it the PC is modern,I bought it modern...but it isn't capable of playing games...it wasn't meant for that it's meant to be a media center. Just because you but a modern pc doesn't mean your going to be able to play any game out.
[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How much was that?killab2oo5e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.
Another good point. Not everyone wants to build a PC or wants to learn how to, thus forcing them to buy a pre-built from a company like Dell, which will be more expensive. Consoles you don't have to worry about that.
However, I will build my next PC, but it doesn't take away that many aren't willing too.
]-_- Oh god. My PC specs= AMD Athlon X2 5000+ 2.60GHz,3GB of DDR2 RAM,400GB HDD at 7200RPM 3GB/S data transfer,DVD-Burner with LightScribe,ACE (something like that) mobo with 4xDDR2 dual-channel slots,pci-e x16 slot...etc,every card reader...etc. and integrate 6150se. No matter how you put it the PC is modern,I bought it modern...but it isn't capable of playing games...it wasn't meant for that it's meant to be a media center. Just because you but a modern pc doesn't mean your going to be able to play any game out.killab2oo5And all that is completely irrelevant in the face of your FOUR YEAR OLD EXTREMELY BUDGET INTEGRATED GRAPHICS CARD. That card shouldn't be expected to run modern games anymore than a regular xbox to run 360 games. That is not a modern PC. That is a PC with hardware that came out one year prior to the 360 and is extremely budget. On the other hand, if you bought a relatively modern prebuilt gaming PC it WILL be able to play all modern games.
e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How much was that?LTomlinson21
Another good point. Not everyone wants to build a PC or wants to learn how to, thus forcing them to buy a pre-built from a company like Dell, which will be more expensive. Consoles you don't have to worry about that.
However, I will build my next PC, but it doesn't take away that many aren't willing too.
Nothing forces you to build your own PC. You can easily buy the parts and shp them to Geek squad or some other place that will assemble it for even cheaper. That is always an option.[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]It's not a "what if." Your original premise was that the PC convention and tournament scene is larger than offline multiplayer in consoles. To prove that, you have to establish the precise population of the PC convention and tournament scene (or provide a close estimate). All you did was give attendance numbers. There is a disconnect between your premise and your conclusion, because you make several unfounded and key assumptions about convention attendance numbers, namely that raw attendance numbers directly indicate total population. But for attendance numbers to indicate total population, then the attendance numbers of different conventions MUST be mutually exclusive, of which burden of proof is on you. And if different conventions' attendance numbers are NOT mutually exclusive, then the level of overlap must first be established BEFORE being accepted as support for your argument. Additionally, the PC Gaming Alliance's claims, while likely true, are also not relevant to the discussion of the PC's social viability, firstly because the PCGA specifies "online gamers" (which is beyond the scope of my argument in the first place), and secondly because the PCGA does not break down the composition of those gamers or their preferences.All you're doing with those two numbers is providing raw numbers that have no immediate correlation with the topic we're discussing.And the online portion is again completely irrelevant, because my original post specified LOCAL multiplayer. I was never talking about the overall social impact of the PC. If you want to make that argument, do it with someone else.VandalvideoActually, you explicitly denied the fact that PC isn't any less of a social platform than consoles and constantly argued against that. Your statements are nitpicking and what ifs. I supplied data to back up my statements, my statements are factually correct and relavant. if you want to try and poke holes, please provide evidence to back up your crazy, offbeat notions.
Personal insults now?
My objections are entirely logical. The data you provided does NOT support your arguments except very, very obliquely.
So far, your argument about the size of the PC convention and tournament scene depends entirely on the assumption that the total population involved in PC conventions and tournaments equals sum of all those events' attendances.
My objections are entirely logical. The data you provided does NOT support your arguments except very, very obliquely. So far, your argument about the size of the PC convention and tournament scene depends entirely on the assumption that the total population involved in PC conventions and tournaments equals sum of all those events' attendances. mjarantillaYour objections are not entirely relevant, because you haven't supplied any kind of evidence to even begin remotely backing them up. "Of course it makes it LESS social. If the PC is incapable of types of social interaction that are easily accomplished on consoles (especially newer consoles), that makes it LESS social than consoles." One of your original statements. Are you going to continue to deny you said that PC gaming is less social? I totally proved that wrong. End of story.
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]-_- Oh god. My PC specs= AMD Athlon X2 5000+ 2.60GHz,3GB of DDR2 RAM,400GB HDD at 7200RPM 3GB/S data transfer,DVD-Burner with LightScribe,ACE (something like that) mobo with 4xDDR2 dual-channel slots,pci-e x16 slot...etc,every card reader...etc. and integrate 6150se. No matter how you put it the PC is modern,I bought it modern...but it isn't capable of playing games...it wasn't meant for that it's meant to be a media center. Just because you but a modern pc doesn't mean your going to be able to play any game out.VandalvideoAnd all that is completely irrelevant in the face of your FOUR YEAR OLD EXTREMELY BUDGET INTEGRATED GRAPHICS CARD. That card shouldn't be expected to run modern games anymore than a regular xbox to run 360 games. That is not a modern PC. That is a PC with hardware that came out one year prior to the 360 and is extremely budget. On the other hand, if you bought a relatively modern prebuilt gaming PC it WILL be able to play all modern games.-_- Let me put it simply for you. I bought a modern PC,it can't run modern games,your arguement of all modern PC's running any modern game is wrong. You act as if every modern PC comes with the equpment capable of running modern games,and that's false. Now,if you can't understand that then I do believe your just playing dumb because you don't want to admit you were wrong.
Let me put it simply for you. I bought a modern PC,it can't run modern games,your arguement of all modern PC's running any modern game is wrong. You act as if every modern PC comes with the equpment capable of running modern games,and that's false. Now,if you can't understand that then I do believe your just playing dumb because you don't want to admit you were wrong.killab2oo5Let me put it simply for you. You shouldn't be buying a toaster to play 360 games, so why would you expect extremely outdated integrated graphics cards to play modern PC games. My statement was geared towards people who are buying PCs for the purpose of GAMING. That rig that you linked is not a modern prebuilt GAMING rig, and is not even remotely relevant. My statement that "all modern PC games will be playable on remotely modern pcs" is still completely true.
[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How much was that?Vandalvideo
Another good point. Not everyone wants to build a PC or wants to learn how to, thus forcing them to buy a pre-built from a company like Dell, which will be more expensive. Consoles you don't have to worry about that.
However, I will build my next PC, but it doesn't take away that many aren't willing too.
Nothing forces you to build your own PC. You can easily buy the parts and shp them to Geek squad or some other place that will assemble it for even cheaper. That is always an option.From what I got from here: http://www.geeksquad.com/services/detail.aspx?id=481
It appears as if it is $39 per installation of one part. A little expensive. I assume they have a package deal that is a bit cheaper to build an entire PC for you, but the price would add on more then want for an installation process.
It appears as if it is $39 per installation of one part. A little expensive. I assume they have a package deal that is a bit cheaper to build an entire PC for you, but the price would add on more then want for an installation process.LTomlinson21There are ooonly about 7 or 8 parts. There are also other places that will do it cheaper for you. The FACT of the matter is that you have the option of having a third party assemble the computer for you. Once again, the PC is still relatively cheap. Its not longer exhaustively expensive, and can easily butt heads with a console. A custom built PC gaming rig usually runs anywhere between 500-650 dollars now that easily outperforms consoles. The price can easily be negated thanks to cheaper games over a longer period of time. To say that PCs are xpensive is a dated arguement and completely wrong.
[QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How much was that?Vandalvideo
Another good point. Not everyone wants to build a PC or wants to learn how to, thus forcing them to buy a pre-built from a company like Dell, which will be more expensive. Consoles you don't have to worry about that.
However, I will build my next PC, but it doesn't take away that many aren't willing too.
Nothing forces you to build your own PC. You can easily buy the parts and shp them to Geek squad or some other place that will assemble it for even cheaper. That is always an option.My parents aren't very technological advanced,and most of America aren't. Point me to a person who has never seen the inside of a PC that can choose compatible parts to build a PC. I agree,building a PC isn't hard,but just not anyone can do it. That's like saying a child that has never ridden a bike before can just do it on their first try. Even if you can get Geeksquad to build one for you,you must know about the compatability of components which would seem like rocket science to someone who has no knowledge in the field.[My parents aren't very technological advanced,and most of America aren't. Point me to a person who has never seen the inside of a PC that can choose compatible parts to build a PC. I agree,building a PC isn't hard,but just not anyone can do it. That's like saying a child that has never ridden a bike before can just do it on their first try. Even if you can get Geeksquad to build one for you,you must know about the compatability of components which would seem like rocket science to someone who has no knowledge in the field.killab2oo5Oh fine, you wanna take that road? What about colorblind people or the tabula rasa template? Not everyone knows how to set up a console and might need someone to install it for them. you're beginning to use an extremely casuistic arguement. The fact of the matter is that you have the OPTION of having a third party assemble your PC for you easily.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]My objections are entirely logical. The data you provided does NOT support your arguments except very, very obliquely. So far, your argument about the size of the PC convention and tournament scene depends entirely on the assumption that the total population involved in PC conventions and tournaments equals sum of all those events' attendances. VandalvideoYour objections are not entirely relevant, because you haven't supplied any kind of evidence to even begin remotely backing them up. "Of course it makes it LESS social. If the PC is incapable of types of social interaction that are easily accomplished on consoles (especially newer consoles), that makes it LESS social than consoles." One of your original statements. Are you going to continue to deny you said that PC gaming is less social? I totally proved that wrong. End of story.
Now who's taking arguments out of context?
Prior to that statement, I made the assertion that: "spontaneous same-room social interaction is only really possible on a console."
You agreed: "Of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the PC is any less social."
Given that you agreed to my statement, I drew the next obvious conclusion based on your agreement: That since the PC was incapable of one form of social interaction that consoles performed, while consoles were capable of any forms of social interaction PCs could perform, the console was therefore a more "socially capable system."
Of course, you backpedaled later and then said that PCs actually WERE capable of same-room social interaction. As it turns out, this was the right answer all along, meaning we were both wrong about PCs being incapable of offline multiplayer. Thus, that statement of mine is now no longer valid in any context of the current argument, because it has already been proven wrong by the fact that the original premise (your agreement to my assertion that PCs dont have offline multiplayer) was proven wrong.
You're addressing a long-abandoned parallel argument, which you yourself ended by proving that same-room social interaction was possible on PCs. I conceded that a hundred posts ago.
The CURRENT argument is about whether or not the participation of PC conventions and tournaments balances out the participation in local multiplayer console gaming. We have both made our assertions, but neither of us has provided sufficient data to support our assertions.
[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]That's the thing. With PC's you have to know what you are buying. With consoles, you don't have to know a damn thing. You can go to walmart and buy any one of the major consoles and you know for sure that every single game made for that console will work perfectly on it.You cannot, however, go buy any random PC and expect every single game made for PCs to work on it. And please tell me that a $400 computer will run Crisis. I'm not talking about dropping $400 to upgrade your current PC, I'm talking about buy a new PC straight up.VandalvideoThats the thing? Oh please, you shouldn't expect a PC that came out one year prior to the 360 to run all the modern games anymore than you would expect a regular xbox to run 360 games. Its double standards and is completely silly. You can easily buy a PC for 500 bucks that runs crysis on high settings.
The point is that not all PCs are built equally. You have to know what you are spending your money on when it comes to PC gaming, where as with console gaming, a monkey could do it.
Look, I can see from all your posts that you are really getting worked up about this and take this topic seriously, lol. BREATH MAN! I'm not saying that console gaming is BETTER (because everyone has their own opinions on what "better" is). All I'm saying is that console gaming is EASIER.
I mean, think of it this way... can a soccer mom, who has no knowlege of PCs or gaming at all, go out and spend $400 on a PC, peripherals, and games, and then hook it all up for her kid and not have any problems at all? Now how about that same soccer mom going out with no knowlege of consoles or gaming and purchasing dropping $400 on a 360 and games for it.
Which one do you think is easier for her? Seriously. Not the "I know all about PCs, so here's what's 'better'" answer, but the "I have problems saving phone numbers to my wireless phone" answer.
Consoles are simply easier. That's all there is to it. You don't have to research them, you don't have to update drivers, you don't have to check game requirements... you just buy the damn thing, plug it into your tv and stick a disc in it, lol.
The point is that not all PCs are built equally. You have to know what you are spending your money on when it comes to PC gaming, where as with console gaming, a monkey could do it. Look, I can see from all your posts that you are really getting worked up about this and take this topic seriously, lol. BREATH MAN! I'm not saying that console gaming is BETTER (because everyone has their own opinions on what "better" is). All I'm saying is that console gaming is EASIER.I mean, think of it this way... can a soccer mom, who has no knowlege of PCs or gaming at all, go out and spend $400 on a PC, peripherals, and games, and then hook it all up for her kid and not have any problems at all? Now how about that same soccer mom going out with no knowlege of consoles or gaming and purchasing dropping $400 on a 360 and games for it. Which one do you think is easier for her? Seriously. Not the "I know all about PCs, so here's what's 'better'" answer, but the "I have problems saving phone numbers to my wireless phone" answer. Consoles are simply easier. That's all there is to it. You don't have to research them, you don't have to update drivers, you don't have to check game requirements... you just buy the damn thing, plug it into your tv and stick a disc in it, lol.Mike1978SmithSome people may not have the necessarily knowledge to hook up a console either. The fact of the matter is that you can have a third party assemble and build your PC for you. All modern gaming PCs have the ability to play all modern games, and modern gaming PC costs anywhere between 500-650 to outperform consoles. These are the facts. PCs can easily be just as simple to use as consoles, and everyone has that option.
Now who's taking arguments out of context?Prior to that statement, I made the assertion that: spontaneous same-room social interaction is only really possible on a console."You agreed: "Of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the PC is any less social."Given that you agreed to my statement, I drew the next obvious conclusion based on your agreement: That since the PC was incapable of one form of social interaction that consoles performed, while consoles were capable of any forms of social interaction PCs could perform, the console was therefore a more "socially capable system."Of course, you backpedaled later and then said that PCs actually WERE capable of same-room social interaction. As it turns out, this was the right answer all along, meaning we were both wrong about PCs being incapable of offline multiplayer. Thus, that statement of mine is now no longer valid in any context of the current argument, because it has already been proven wrong by the fact that the original premise (your agreement to my assertion that PCs dont have offline multiplayer) was proven wrong.ou're addressing a long-abandoned parallel argument, which you yourself ended by proving that same-room social interaction was possible on PCs. I conceded that a hundred posts ago.The CURRENT argument is about whether or not the participation of PC conventions and tournaments balances out the participation in local multiplayer console gaming. We have both made our assertions, but neither of us has provided sufficient data to support our assertions.mjarantillaOk, before you start skewing the arugement, go back to the first page and look at the statement that i FIRST quoted. You want to start talking about taking things out of contexT? First look at how this started before you do that. "You forgot what is probably the most important reason any "regular" (non-hardcore) gamer owns a console: social interactio" That was the very first thing I responded to. I more than proved that the PC is JUST as social of a platform, and that your original statement is completely wrong. Now if you want to keep going of fo ntangents be my guest, but I completely obliterated your original statements that the PC is a less social platform.
So your just now mentioning that?Sorry,but I don't read minds. If you meant that your statement was aimed towards PC's for gaming then you should've said it earlier...not "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." You've said some ignorant things in the past so I just thought this was another one of them. ;) I do believe you really thought any modern PC can run a modern game,but then you saw that you were wrong so now your trying to change your arguement a bit.But hey...I can't read minds.killab2oo5Its quite obvious what I mean't. You don't expect a dang toaster to run 360 games. Its bloody obvious i was talking about a gaming PC. We are, afterall, talking about GAMES are we not? All modern [gaming] pcs can play all modern games. Stated and proven, end of discusion.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="LTomlinson21"]How much was that?killab2oo5
Another good point. Not everyone wants to build a PC or wants to learn how to, thus forcing them to buy a pre-built from a company like Dell, which will be more expensive. Consoles you don't have to worry about that.
However, I will build my next PC, but it doesn't take away that many aren't willing too.
Nothing forces you to build your own PC. You can easily buy the parts and shp them to Geek squad or some other place that will assemble it for even cheaper. That is always an option.My parents aren't very technological advanced,and most of America aren't. Point me to a person who has never seen the inside of a PC that can choose compatible parts to build a PC. I agree,building a PC isn't hard,but just not anyone can do it. That's like saying a child that has never ridden a bike before can just do it on their first try. Even if you can get Geeksquad to build one for you,you must know about the compatability of components which would seem like rocket science to someone who has no knowledge in the field.If you can put a lego castle together then you can build a PC. I think I was around 13-14 years old when I built my first PC. You can also find online guides in a matter of seconds and will help you step by step in building it.
Your PC is not modern. Just because you bought it recently doesnt mean its got modern hardware. So if I bought a brand new apple 2 computer fresh out of the box its considered modern just because I bought in 2008??? No.
-_- So...my parents who even have troubles getting on the internet,can't put a computer together by reading guides?They don't know what a motherboard,cpu,ram,video card...etc is,then theres the compatibility issues,updating,installing drivers. I agree that building a PC is simple,but your casual PC user can't just pick up on how to build one just like -snaps- that,even if they read a step-by-step guide. You MUST know what your buying.If you can put a lego castle together then you can build a PC. I think I was around 13-14 years old when I built my first PC. You can also find online guides in a matter of seconds and will help you step by step in building it.
Your PC is not modern. Just because you bought it recently doesnt mean its got modern hardware. So if I bought a brand new apple 2 computer fresh out of the box its considered modern just because I bought in 2008??? No.
Killfox
So...my parents who even have troubles getting on the internet,can't put a computer together by reading guides?They don't know what a motherboard,cpu,ram,video card...etc is. I agree that building a PC is simple,but your casual PC user can't just pick up on how to build one just like -snaps- that.killab2oo5In the words of my professor: PCs aren't complex, people are just scared. I built my first PC when I was extremely young. I had absolutely no formal training, my father didn't knowa nything about computers, and neither did my mother. It was extremely easy. If 12 year old Vandal can build a computer, you bet your parents can do it. Unless they're xenophobic or something.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Now who's taking arguments out of context?Prior to that statement, I made the assertion that: spontaneous same-room social interaction is only really possible on a console."You agreed: "Of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the PC is any less social."Given that you agreed to my statement, I drew the next obvious conclusion based on your agreement: That since the PC was incapable of one form of social interaction that consoles performed, while consoles were capable of any forms of social interaction PCs could perform, the console was therefore a more "socially capable system."Of course, you backpedaled later and then said that PCs actually WERE capable of same-room social interaction. As it turns out, this was the right answer all along, meaning we were both wrong about PCs being incapable of offline multiplayer. Thus, that statement of mine is now no longer valid in any context of the current argument, because it has already been proven wrong by the fact that the original premise (your agreement to my assertion that PCs dont have offline multiplayer) was proven wrong.ou're addressing a long-abandoned parallel argument, which you yourself ended by proving that same-room social interaction was possible on PCs. I conceded that a hundred posts ago.The CURRENT argument is about whether or not the participation of PC conventions and tournaments balances out the participation in local multiplayer console gaming. We have both made our assertions, but neither of us has provided sufficient data to support our assertions.VandalvideoOk, before you start skewing the arugement, go back to the first page and look at the statement that i FIRST quoted. You want to start talking about taking things out of contexT? First look at how this started before you do that. "You forgot what is probably the most important reason any "regular" (non-hardcore) gamer owns a console: social interactio" That was the very first thing I responded to. I more than proved that the PC is JUST as social of a platform, and that your original statement is completely wrong. Now if you want to keep going of fo ntangents be my guest, but I completely obliterated your original statements that the PC is a less social platform.
Again, you're talking about a LONG concluded argument. I've already conceded that PCs are as capable as consoles are of the same forms of social interaction.
THIS argument that we're on is now a completely different argument. It might've been spawned as a tangent of that original argument, but it's become its own independent topic, with its own premise: Does the popularity of PC conventions and tournaments compare with or outweigh the popularity of offline multiplayer in consoles?
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"] So...my parents who even have troubles getting on the internet,can't put a computer together by reading guides?They don't know what a motherboard,cpu,ram,video card...etc is. I agree that building a PC is simple,but your casual PC user can't just pick up on how to build one just like -snaps- that.VandalvideoIn the words of my professor: PCs aren't complex, people are just scared. I built my first PC when I was extremely young. I had absolutely no formal training, my father didn't knowa nything about computers, and neither did my mother. It was extremely easy. If 12 year old Vandal can build a computer, you bet your parents can do it. Unless they're xenophobic or something.Yes,again,I agree PC's are easy for someone like me and you (I've been into computer technology since my first one I got at the age of 10.),but someone who has no clue about what parts they're getting wont be able to build a computer. Maybe after a few months of research...looking up what is compatible with DDR2 drives,PCi slots,sockets,bridges...etc. Covering PC technology is no shallow subject. Reading one guide in a matter of hours or minutes wont teach you everything you have to know about building a computer. It's not as easy as Lego's for someone who doesn't know the first place to start.
Again, you're talking about a LONG concluded argument. I've already conceded that PCs are as capable as consoles are of the same forms of social interaction. THIS argument that we're on is now a completely different argument. It might've been spawned as a tangent of that original argument, but it's become its own independent topic, with its own premise: Does the popularity of PC conventions and tournaments compare with or outweigh the popularity of offline multiplayer in consoles? mjarantillaThose statements were the basis for this entire arguement. I've already, qutie exhaustively, shown that the PC is just as social of a platform. According to the PCGA, there are over 264 million online PC gamers. There are more gamers online playing ONE PC GAME than there are who bought some of your consoles. Of course online and tournament overshadow localized multiplayer.
]Yes,again,I agree PC's are easy for someone like me and you (I've been into computer technology since my first one I got at the age of 10.),but someone who has no clue about what parts they're getting wont be able to build a computer. Maybe after a few months of research...looking up what is compatible with DDR2 drives,PCi slots,sockets,bridges...etc. Covering PC technology is no shallow subject. Reading one guide in a matter of hours or minutes wont teach you everything you have to know about building a computer. It's not as easy as Lego's for someone who doesn't know the first place to start.killab2oo5I had absolutely no idea how a computer worked when I first built my computer. I just walked into a tech store and was like, "Whats i need Mister?" and he just gave me the stuff and an instruction manual and I was good to go. Unless your parents are xenophobic, they have the basic motor and people skills to build a computer. Its not hard. I had NO IDEA the first place tos tart when I built mine. If 12 year old vandal is resourceful enough, you bet 60 year old Killagranny can build one.
no freaking Windows Vista, XP or other pop up virus loving death craving GARBAGE OS.
Damn that Vista sucks...
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"] So...my parents who even have troubles getting on the internet,can't put a computer together by reading guides?They don't know what a motherboard,cpu,ram,video card...etc is. I agree that building a PC is simple,but your casual PC user can't just pick up on how to build one just like -snaps- that.VandalvideoIn the words of my professor: PCs aren't complex, people are just scared. I built my first PC when I was extremely young. I had absolutely no formal training, my father didn't knowa nything about computers, and neither did my mother. It was extremely easy. If 12 year old Vandal can build a computer, you bet your parents can do it. Unless they're xenophobic or something.
I don't believe it. You were never a child. You were spawned fully-grown by vapory goo. Like Kirby. :P
In the words of my professor: PCs aren't complex, people are just scared. I built my first PC when I was extremely young. I had absolutely no formal training, my father didn't knowa nything about computers, and neither did my mother. It was extremely easy. If 12 year old Vandal can build a computer, you bet your parents can do it. Unless they're xenophobic or something.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"] So...my parents who even have troubles getting on the internet,can't put a computer together by reading guides?They don't know what a motherboard,cpu,ram,video card...etc is. I agree that building a PC is simple,but your casual PC user can't just pick up on how to build one just like -snaps- that.mjarantilla
I don't believe it. You were never a child. You were spawned fully-grown by vapory goo. Like Kirby. :P
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Again, you're talking about a LONG concluded argument. I've already conceded that PCs are as capable as consoles are of the same forms of social interaction. THIS argument that we're on is now a completely different argument. It might've been spawned as a tangent of that original argument, but it's become its own independent topic, with its own premise: Does the popularity of PC conventions and tournaments compare with or outweigh the popularity of offline multiplayer in consoles? VandalvideoThose statements were the basis for this entire arguement. I've already, qutie exhaustively, shown that the PC is just as social of a platform. According to the PCGA, there are over 264 million online PC gamers. There are more gamers online playing ONE PC GAME than there are who bought some of your consoles. Of course online and tournament overshadow localized multiplayer.
Well, those two numbers don't really prove that the PC is more social, but again, I've already agreed the PC is as capable as consoles are in terms of social interaction. I agreed to that a hundred posts ago.
I had absolutely no idea how a computer worked when I first built my computer. I just walked into a tech store and was like, "Whats i need Mister?" and he just gave me the stuff and an instruction manual and I was good to go. Unless your parents are xenophobic, they have the basic motor and people skills to build a computer. Its not hard. I had NO IDEA the first place tos tart when I built mine. If 12 year old vandal is resourceful enough, you bet 60 year old Killagranny can build one.VandalvideoHow old are you?
EDIT:Well assuming your 25 or 30,my parents came way before you time...they didn't grow up with computers like you did and have no clue how to work them. They just starting using the internet last year. Not anyone can build a PC even if they have the parts picked out for them,not anyone can build a PC even if they have a guide,not anyone can build a PC even if they did grow up with. Building a PC may not be rocket science but they doesn't mean it's simple (because it can be very complicated to the average PC user because they know NOTHING about PC components.)-_- Quit making the false claim that ANYONE can build a PC because it's not true,you gotta have knowledge beforehand.
Well, those two numbers don't really prove that the PC is more social, but again, I've already agreed the PC is as capable as consoles are in terms of social interaction. I agreed to that a hundred posts ago. mjarantillaOh.... *Goes to make pizza*
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Well, those two numbers don't really prove that the PC is more social, but again, I've already agreed the PC is as capable as consoles are in terms of social interaction. I agreed to that a hundred posts ago. VandalvideoOh.... *Goes to make pizza*
Yeah, like I said, for most of the last two days I've been arguing about your assertion that tournaments and conventions outnumber local multiplayer.
At first we were arguing capability. In that argument, the numbers weren't relevant at all; if a system was capable of something, it was capable.
Then you said something like, "There are a lot more tournaments and conventions for PCs than consoles, so it evens out." And we started on this whole thing.
I'm kinda tired.
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]So your just now mentioning that?Sorry,but I don't read minds. If you meant that your statement was aimed towards PC's for gaming then you should've said it earlier...not "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." You've said some ignorant things in the past so I just thought this was another one of them. ;) I do believe you really thought any modern PC can run a modern game,but then you saw that you were wrong so now your trying to change your arguement a bit.But hey...I can't read minds.VandalvideoIts quite obvious what I mean't. You don't expect a dang toaster to run 360 games. Its bloody obvious i was talking about a gaming PC. We are, afterall, talking about GAMES are we not? All modern [gaming] pcs can play all modern games. Stated and proven, end of discusion.
Not everyone knows that there are PCs and then there are gaming PCs.
This was my point to begin with when I said consoles are more simple and easy. You don't have to know spit about anything when it comes to consoles, where as you actually have to know what you are buying when it comes to PC gaming.
Try not to look at it from a PC gamer's point of view. Look at it from a dip-s**t's point of view.
[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]The point is that not all PCs are built equally. You have to know what you are spending your money on when it comes to PC gaming, where as with console gaming, a monkey could do it. Look, I can see from all your posts that you are really getting worked up about this and take this topic seriously, lol. BREATH MAN! I'm not saying that console gaming is BETTER (because everyone has their own opinions on what "better" is). All I'm saying is that console gaming is EASIER.I mean, think of it this way... can a soccer mom, who has no knowlege of PCs or gaming at all, go out and spend $400 on a PC, peripherals, and games, and then hook it all up for her kid and not have any problems at all? Now how about that same soccer mom going out with no knowlege of consoles or gaming and purchasing dropping $400 on a 360 and games for it. Which one do you think is easier for her? Seriously. Not the "I know all about PCs, so here's what's 'better'" answer, but the "I have problems saving phone numbers to my wireless phone" answer. Consoles are simply easier. That's all there is to it. You don't have to research them, you don't have to update drivers, you don't have to check game requirements... you just buy the damn thing, plug it into your tv and stick a disc in it, lol.VandalvideoSome people may not have the necessarily knowledge to hook up a console either. The fact of the matter is that you can have a third party assemble and build your PC for you. All modern gaming PCs have the ability to play all modern games, and modern gaming PC costs anywhere between 500-650 to outperform consoles. These are the facts. PCs can easily be just as simple to use as consoles, and everyone has that option.
You keep bringing up the "PCs outperform consoles" statement, and I'm not even talking about that. I'm simply stating which is easier to shop for, purchase, set-up, and play.
I much prefer the PC over consoles. While the latter does have convenience on it's side, the PC just suits my style more. The mouse/keyboard controller scheme cannot be beat, period.....it is much more conducive to certain genres (RTS, FPS) than a console controller is.
Another reason I prefer PC over consoles is for the mods. There are many great user created games out there that are not restricted by the many factors that impede creativity in the console market. Also, new ground and hardware is always pushed on the PC first (Crysis).
PC is where it's at, and despite some hiccups with some software and hardware compatibility, nothing beats it.
Not everyone knows that there are PCs and then there are gaming PCs.This was my point to begin with when I said consoles are more simple and easy. You don't have to know spit about anything when it comes to consoles, where as you actually have to know what you are buying when it comes to PC gaming. Try not to look at it from a PC gamer's point of view. Look at it from a dip-s**t's point of view. Mike1978SmithIf you're going to be buying a PC for gaming, then you're probably going to be coming across gaming PCs.Then only way you're going to find multimedia prebuilt PCs is if you're bargain shopping. Heck, even the major retailers like Dell have a GAMING section for the PCs. You have to really go out of your way to not be getting a gaming PC.
You keep bringing up the "PCs outperform consoles" statement, and I'm not even talking about that. I'm simply stating which is easier to shop for, purchase, set-up, and play.Mike1978SmithYou can drive down to bestbuy, ask for a gaming PC, and walk home with one. Its not hard.
[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]You keep bringing up the "PCs outperform consoles" statement, and I'm not even talking about that. I'm simply stating which is easier to shop for, purchase, set-up, and play.VandalvideoYou can drive down to bestbuy, ask for a gaming PC, and walk home with one. Its not hard.
Why does he keep bringing up his parents??? Why would they be building it and not him???
EDIT:Well assuming your 25 or 30,my parents came way before you time...they didn't grow up with computers like you did and have no clue how to work them. They just starting using the internet last year. Not anyone can build a PC even if they have the parts picked out for them,not anyone can build a PC even if they have a guide,not anyone can build a PC even if they did grow up with. Building a PC may not be rocket science but they doesn't mean it's simple (because it can be very complicated to the average PC user because they know NOTHING about PC components.)-_- Quit making the false claim that ANYONE can build a PC because it's not true,you gotta have knowledge beforehand.killab2oo5Like I said, I was only 12 years old, with no formal training or experience with computers and my family didn't even have acomputer in the house. Despite not knowing JACK about computers, I was able to build a PC. its not hard, it just requires common sense and light reading.
Those statements were the basis for this entire arguement. I've already, qutie exhaustively, shown that the PC is just as social of a platform. According to the PCGA, there are over 264 million online PC gamers. There are more gamers online playing ONE PC GAME than there are who bought some of your consoles. Of course online and tournament overshadow localized multiplayer.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Again, you're talking about a LONG concluded argument. I've already conceded that PCs are as capable as consoles are of the same forms of social interaction. THIS argument that we're on is now a completely different argument. It might've been spawned as a tangent of that original argument, but it's become its own independent topic, with its own premise: Does the popularity of PC conventions and tournaments compare with or outweigh the popularity of offline multiplayer in consoles? mjarantilla
Well, those two numbers don't really prove that the PC is more social, but again, I've already agreed the PC is as capable as consoles are in terms of social interaction. I agreed to that a hundred posts ago.
games on pc have huge fourms access to game devs and mmorpg game are social games! they are base off dungen and dragons which is a soical games. Good example of huge communities UT,wow, GW,bio-ware etc...... even the pc moding sommunity is huge!!!You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.Meu2k7
How much did that PC cost you and what are the other specs?
"Lastest and Best"? the 8800 fell into that category 18 months ago , now its very very average, yet still maxes every game except Crysis at high resolutions and tons of AA.
You never need the latest or the best to stay in the zone of being able to run every game well, ever, its a huge misconception.
6150E I dont even consider them a purchase ... its like not even coming with a graphics card. ( not litterally. )
Unless you are competive and you are making money off of pc pvp games... you would need the best conection and riggs. hey that is another thing that console gamers don't have lol competive play on games where can make money and win prizes such as ut and gw lolPlease Log In to post.
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