except it says FIFA tops it AND it doesnt say pc sales. also that news applies to all versions of the gameArjdagr8Another one that says PES tops sells charts two weeks in a row: http://www.videogamer.com/news/02-11-2007-6810.html And those are in the PC GAMING SECTION.
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Of course I need a study. I'm not about to take someone's word for it that there are "millions" of people playing localized multiplayer in a day. That just seems far too farfetched to take at face value.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Do you honestly need a study? I think an observation of the evolution of consoles for the past 15 years shows that multiplayer on consoles occur more frequent than they do on PC. With every console supporting up to 4 controllers and the PS3 supporting up to 7 controllers. Even if you don't consider the design of the consoles, the games certainly are another thing to look at...with nearly everyone of them supporting local multiplayer.Arjdagr8
common sense should tell you easily that what hes saying is true.
Common sense is the poor mans evidence. Give me proof or give me silence.Of course I need a study. I'm not about to take someone's word for it that there are "millions" of people playing localized multiplayer in a day. That just seems far too farfetched to take at face value.Vandalvideo
I don't think its far fetched..Im considering design again..With games allowing you to jump in and out of bouts with ease..like Gears of War for an example. Doesn't prove that there are millions but I do believe it happens more often than these PC conventions or LAN parties based on a number of factors.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Of course I need a study. I'm not about to take someone's word for it that there are "millions" of people playing localized multiplayer in a day. That just seems far too farfetched to take at face value.Pro_wrestler
I don't think its far fetched..Im considering design again..With games allowing you to jump in and out of bouts with ease..like Gears of War for an example. Doesn't prove that there are millions but I do believe it happens more often than these PC conventions or LAN parties.
You can believe it all you want. If you don't show me evidence I don't have a reason to believe it.Personally when I play games I like to sit down on my sofa, sometimes with a few friends and relax and have a good time. Being hunced over a keyboard is not my idea of fun.Concede2mePCs can be hooked up to TVs, played from a couch, and use gamepads.
Personally when I play games I like to sit down on my sofa, sometimes with a few friends and relax and have a good time. Being hunced over a keyboard is not my idea of fun.Concede2me
Just like when your wrote that?
[QUOTE="Concede2me"]Personally when I play games I like to sit down on my sofa, sometimes with a few friends and relax and have a good time. Being hunced over a keyboard is not my idea of fun.Bebi_vegeta
Just like when your wrote that?
Unfortunately, it's very hard to post on forums and surf the web effectively using a console + controller. To play games? Not so much.
You can believe it all you want. If you don't show me evidence I don't have a reason to believe it.Vandalvideo
Looking at the circumstances, Its more than plausable.
How can convienence be considered an advantage if you lose customization abilities? Console games are harder to mod than pc games, that not convienient at all.out0v0rder
That just means that customization is an advantage over consoles...:?
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Concede2me"]Personally when I play games I like to sit down on my sofa, sometimes with a few friends and relax and have a good time. Being hunced over a keyboard is not my idea of fun.SeanBond
Just like when your wrote that?
Unfortunately, it's very hard to post on forums and surf the web effectively using a console + controller. To play games? Not so much.
That's not even the point. Get yourself a nice chair and you'll be just as well confortable then being on the sofa. If hunched over a keyboard is not fun when you play a game, imagine posting here.
[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]Of course I need a study. I'm not about to take someone's word for it that there are "millions" of people playing localized multiplayer in a day. That just seems far too farfetched to take at face value.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Do you honestly need a study? I think an observation of the evolution of consoles for the past 15 years shows that multiplayer on consoles occur more frequent than they do on PC. With every console supporting up to 4 controllers and the PS3 supporting up to 7 controllers. Even if you don't consider the design of the consoles, the games certainly are another thing to look at...with nearly everyone of them supporting local multiplayer.Vandalvideo
common sense should tell you easily that what hes saying is true.
Common sense is the poor mans evidence. Give me proof or give me silence.Give me proof that those "hundreds of thousands" of convention attendees are unique, and that they aren't just composed of the same groups of people attending multiple events.
Give me proof that those "hundreds of thousands" of convention attendees are unique, and that they aren't just composed of the same groups of people attending multiple events.mjarantillaConsidering the fact that there are multiple conventions happening within very short time frames with tens of thousands of guests at each one, they're different people. Unless you know people that can be in two places at the same time.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Give me proof that those "hundreds of thousands" of convention attendees are unique, and that they aren't just composed of the same groups of people attending multiple events.VandalvideoConsidering the fact that there are multiple conventions happening within very short time frames with tens of thousands of guests at each one, they're different people. Unless you know people that can be in two places at the same time.
"Within short time frames" doesn't tell me anything. I've been to a good number of big conventions (not PC conventions, but general gaming conventions), and I know that large groups of those attendees do travel to three or four conventions within the span of a few weeks.
Even if there are large groups of people who attend one convention only every month or two, that would still significantly cut down the total number of participants you're claiming that PC gaming has because they are repeat attendees.
And tournaments are even more likely to attract repeat attendees, especially if they are fairly local and are reasonably well advertised among the nearby gaming communities.
EDIT: And how the bloody hell did you reply so fast? Do you have an email subscription to this thread or something?
.And tournaments are even more likely to attract repeat attendees, especially if they are fairly local and are reasonably well advertised among the nearby gaming communities.mjarantillaFine, prove it.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"].And tournaments are even more likely to attract repeat attendees, especially if they are fairly local and are reasonably well advertised among the nearby gaming communities.VandalvideoFine, prove it.
YOU made the original assertion that "hundreds of thousands of PC gamers attend conventions and tournaments." So support your statement.
YOU made the original assertion that "hundreds of thousands of PC gamers attend conventions and tournaments." So support your statement.mjarantillaMy original assertion was that "hundreds of thousands of pc gamers do attend conventions", but I didn't say anything about them being different people. If you're going to make such a claim, prove it. I more than supported my claim. Considering the fawct that there are tons of conventions and tournaments with over 3,000 people that attend them, and more than seven larger conventions with hundreds of thosuands of attendees a year, that number grows to a huge number. So if you want to talk about "unique attendees" then prove it.
"than to boot up the computer go into the game, make sure the settings are correct, and depending on if I have added anything new lately, make sure there are no hardware conflicts or any other such issues."
This such a weak arguement. It literally takes my computer 15-20 to boot up and sign in. Or an even easier way is to do save mode with vista and let my PC chill at a low powered state and come back and click my mouse and im ready to go again. It takes all of what 10 seconds to boot up a PC game. Oh no's I have to configure my settings which doesnt take much time at all. Being able to change settings is a big advantage over consoles. Like games that barely run at 30 FPS on consoles I can just go and change a setting and now I have 60 FPS. so having to deal with settings is actually a plus rather than a negative.
What it comes down to like most people have said is the games. Sure I love my 360 and am looking foreward to slapping some hoes in GTA4 but there have been more games that I like on PC recently. STALKER, Crysis, Witcher, Half life2 episodes, CS, Sins of a solar empire, Company of heroes, Supreme commander, COD4, bioshock, and others. All these games that are multiplat seem to run better on my PC than the 360 as well.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]YOU made the original assertion that "hundreds of thousands of PC gamers attend conventions and tournaments." So support your statement.VandalvideoMy original assertion was that "hundreds of thousands of pc gamers do attend conventions", but I didn't say anything about them being different people. If you're going to make such a claim, prove it. I more than supported my claim. Considering the fawct that there are tons of conventions and tournaments with over 3,000 people that attend them, and more than seven larger conventions with hundreds of thosuands of attendees a year, that number grows to a huge number. So if you want to talk about "unique attendees" then prove it.
"The fact of the matter is that the PC is a MUCH alrger convention and tournament populous than consoles do."
A "populous" consists of unique individuals. Now prove it.
The fact of the matter is that the PC is a MUCH alrger convention and tournament populous than consoles do." A "populous" consists of unique individuals. Now prove it.mjarantillaThat was reffering to convention and tournament support, IE, the sheer ammount of actual conventions. For example, there are six or seven large tournaments for every large console tournament. You're taking my statements completely out of context.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]The fact of the matter is that the PC is a MUCH alrger convention and tournament populous than consoles do." A "populous" consists of unique individuals. Now prove it.VandalvideoThat was reffering to convention and tournament support, IE, the sheer ammount of actual conventions. For example, there are six or seven large tournaments for every large console tournament. You're taking my statements completely out of context.
And you're taking your own statement ("hundreds of thousands of gamers attend conventions and tournaments") out of the context of this entire argument.
Without evidence that determines the uniqueness of attendance of those conventions and tournaments, your statement is no more valid or applicable than mine is.
I can just as easily say that the sales of a single local multiplayer game (for example, SSBM) give a low-end estimate of how many people enjoy local multiplayer (~7 million for SSBM). But how useful would that be to anyone?
And you're taking your own statement ("hundreds of thousands of gamers attend conventions and tournaments") out of the context of this entire argument. Without evidence that determines the uniqueness of attendance of those conventions and tournaments, your statement is no more valid or applicable than mine is.I can just as easily say that the sales of a single local multiplayer game (for example, SSBM) give a low-end estimate of how many people enjoy local multiplayer (~7 million for SSBM). But how useful would that be to anyone?mjarantillaMy statement is my statement, and my statement has been proven thanks to the sheer ammount of attendees at some of the larger conventions. If you want to prattle on about "unique attendess" then I expect some proof first. I'm about to go running for an hour, so you can use that time to find some evidence about unique attendees.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]And you're taking your own statement ("hundreds of thousands of gamers attend conventions and tournaments") out of the context of this entire argument. Without evidence that determines the uniqueness of attendance of those conventions and tournaments, your statement is no more valid or applicable than mine is.I can just as easily say that the sales of a single local multiplayer game (for example, SSBM) give a low-end estimate of how many people enjoy local multiplayer (~7 million for SSBM). But how useful would that be to anyone?VandalvideoMy statement is my statement, and my statement has been proven thanks to the sheer ammount of attendees at some of the larger conventions. If you want to prattle on about "unique attendess" then I expect some proof first. I'm about to go running for an hour, so you can use that time to find some evidence about unique attendees.
Correct, your statement is "your statement" and it can been proven to be technically accurate.
Unfortunately, unless you provide evidence YOURSELF about unique attendees, then your statement is ALSO irrelevant to this discussion, however accurate it might be. So, unless you plan on making your statement in a vacuum, the burden of proof is on you to MAKE it relevant.
I like more consoles when it comes for games that aint coming into PC world like ( my favorites examples )
MGS4 - Tekken6 - FF13 - FF13versus - GT5 - RE5 - SF4 - SC4 - God of War 3 and many more...
I like more PC gaming when it comes for competitive online gaming ( CS - Warcraft - Starcraft2 - WoW - CoD4 - Waronline and so many other games alike ) and RAW power for highest quality of gaming ( PC exclusives) like Crysis or even the highest quality of multiplatforming that plays better or equally with keyboard+mouse ( CoD4 - GeoW - Bioshock-DmC4 and sooo many other games).
About monitoring. I play on same HDTV full Hd thru HDMI V1.3 at 100Hz so the arent any differences about teh monitor.
About gamepads vs keyboard+mouse. I prefer to have the best versions of my games.What i mean is that i prefer to wait and play the best DMC4 version on my PC. Since this game plays far better with a gamepad, i can attach a PS2 gamepad on my PC and voila. I got the best version of the game and i play it exaclty the same as a PS3 user on HDTV . About games that are on their best version ( PC) plus playing far better with mouse+keyboard i think answer is obvious.
Cant think myself without my favorite console games ( especially some arcade ones like Tekken or SF ) but cant think myself without some extraordinary high quality / high competitive online games PC offers. For me both are worth their money.
Advantage?
Split screen / party games when friends are present.
Most important to me.
skrat_01
Yeah this is pretty much the ONLY reason I even own a console. Besides this single advantage I see none in consoles.
Unfortunately, unless you provide evidence YOURSELF about unique attendees, then your statement is ALSO irrelevant to this discussion, however accurate it might be. So, unless you plan on making your statement in a vacuum, the burden of proof is on you to MAKE it relevant. mjarantillaI more than made it relevant. You're the one bringing up conjecture and what if statements. If you want to bring up those kinds of things, I suggest you find evidence to back them up. But of course if you want to look at the overall social impact of the PC, you also have to take into consideration the online portion. ONE pc game has more registered users than people who have even bought a console. According to the PC gaming alliance, there are over 263 million online PC gamers right now. The PC is more than a social platform all things considered, and the mere fact that tournament and convention support are six fold consoles merely goes to support that statement.
The thing that I like about consoles is that you never have to worry about a game not working for it.
With a PC, you have this whole range of requirements from minimum to reccomended to optimal for each game. Sometimes, even thogh you fall within the requirements, the game may not work properly and you need to adjust settings or mess with updating drivers.
Also, you have to install game controllers, like joysticks or game pads, and make sure they work with the game you want to play.
Another thing is that PC "gens" are not clearly defined as console "gens" are, so your PC might be "last gen" before you even know it.
Cost is also a big thing... with a console you only have to drop a static X amount of $ (always cheaper than buying or even building a PC) every 5 years or so versus upgrading various $100 parts in your PC every year or so.
Oh, and we can't forget that console gaming is much more couch ready than PC gaming.
Console gaming is just so much more simmple and easy to not only get in to, but to maintain. The only thing that I see PC beating consoles for is online multiplayer games, which are almost always better on the PC than they are on consoles.
The thing that I like about consoles is that you never have to worry about a game not working for it. with a PC, you have this whole range of requirements from minimum to reccomended to optimal for each game. Sometimes, even thogh you fall within the requirements, the game may not work properly and you need to adjust settings or mess with updating drivers. Also, you have to install game controllers, like joysticks or game pads, and make sure they work with the game you want to play.Another thing is that PC "gens" are not clearly defined as console "gens" are, so your PC might be "last gen" before you even know it. Cost is also a big thing... with a console you only have to drop a static X amount of $ (always cheaper than buying or even building a PC) every 5 years or so versus upgrading various $100 parts in your PC every year or so. Oh, and we can't forget that console gaming is much more couch ready than PC gaming.onsole gaming is just so much more simmple and easy to not only get in to, but to maintain. The only thing that I see PC beating consoles for is online multiplayer games, which are almost always better on the PC than they are on consoles. Mike1978SmithTalk about EXTREMELY outdated arguements. As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games. heck, Crysis, the most technollogically advanced game currently ont he market, runs on last generation hardware for crying out loud. You don't really have to worry about system requirements except when it comes to extremely crappy console ports. If you're a console gamer to begin with, I don't see why you'd be worrying about that anyway. Updating drivers and settings are basically all automated nowadays, and most games come with a great auto-setings detection tool. All games work with gamepads too, as long as you have Joy to key, which takes all of ten seconds to set up. If you want to complain about 10 seconds, then you're just counting crumbs at this point in time. Cost is also not really an issue. If you buy a modern PC now that outperforms consoles, it will continue to outperform consoles for the entirety of the generation, and you most certainly DO NOT have to upgrade. Not to mention games are much cheaper on the PC. Oh, and you can easily buy a small PC that is smaller than consoles which easily hooks up to a TV and can be played from a couch with a gamepad.
Talk about EXTREMELY outdated arguements. As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games. heck, Crysis, the most technollogically advanced game currently ont he market, runs on last generation hardware for crying out loud. You don't really have to worry about system requirements except when it comes to extremely crappy console ports. If you're a console gamer to begin with, I don't see why you'd be worrying about that anyway. Updating drivers and settings are basically all automated nowadays, and most games come with a great auto-setings detection tool. All games work with gamepads too, as long as you have Joy to key, which takes all of ten seconds to set up. If you want to complain about 10 seconds, then you're just counting crumbs at this point in time. Cost is also not really an issue. If you buy a modern PC now that outperforms consoles, it will continue to outperform consoles for the entirety of the generation, and you most certainly DO NOT have to upgrade. Not to mention games are much cheaper on the PC.VandalvideoAre you talking about custom built PC's or pre-built?
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Talk about EXTREMELY outdated arguements. As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games. heck, Crysis, the most technollogically advanced game currently ont he market, runs on last generation hardware for crying out loud. You don't really have to worry about system requirements except when it comes to extremely crappy console ports. If you're a console gamer to begin with, I don't see why you'd be worrying about that anyway. Updating drivers and settings are basically all automated nowadays, and most games come with a great auto-setings detection tool. All games work with gamepads too, as long as you have Joy to key, which takes all of ten seconds to set up. If you want to complain about 10 seconds, then you're just counting crumbs at this point in time. Cost is also not really an issue. If you buy a modern PC now that outperforms consoles, it will continue to outperform consoles for the entirety of the generation, and you most certainly DO NOT have to upgrade. Not to mention games are much cheaper on the PC.killab2oo5Are you talking about custom built PC's or pre-built? Either.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Unfortunately, unless you provide evidence YOURSELF about unique attendees, then your statement is ALSO irrelevant to this discussion, however accurate it might be. So, unless you plan on making your statement in a vacuum, the burden of proof is on you to MAKE it relevant. VandalvideoI more than made it relevant. You're the one bringing up conjecture and what if statements. If you want to bring up those kinds of things, I suggest you find evidence to back them up. But of course if you want to look at the overall social impact of the PC, you also have to take into consideration the online portion. ONE pc game has more registered users than people who have even bought a console. According to the PC gaming alliance, there are over 263 million online PC gamers right now. The PC is more than a social platform all things considered, and the mere fact that tournament and convention support are six fold consoles merely goes to support that statement.
It's not a "what if." Your original premise was that the PC convention and tournament scene is larger than offline multiplayer in consoles. To prove that, you have to establish the precise population of the PC convention and tournament scene (or provide a close estimate). All you did was give attendance numbers.
There is a disconnect between your premise and your conclusion, because you make several unfounded and key assumptions about convention attendance numbers, namely that total population can be calculated from raw attendance numbers. But for attendance numbers to indicate total population, then the attendance numbers of different conventions MUST be mutually exclusive, which you must prove. And if different conventions' attendance numbers are NOT mutually exclusive, then the level of overlap must first be established BEFORE being accepted as support for your argument. Again, that is your burden of proof.
Additionally, the PC Gaming Alliance's claims, while likely true, are also not relevant to the discussion of the PC's social viability, firstly because the PCGA specifies "online gamers" (which is beyond the scope of my argument in the first place), and secondly because the PCGA does not break down the composition of those gamers or their preferences.
All you're doing with those two numbers is providing raw numbers that have no immediate correlation with the topic we're discussing.
And the online portion is again completely irrelevant, because my original post specified LOCAL multiplayer. I was never talking about the overall social impact of the PC. If you want to make that argument, do it with someone else.
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Talk about EXTREMELY outdated arguements. As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games. heck, Crysis, the most technollogically advanced game currently ont he market, runs on last generation hardware for crying out loud. You don't really have to worry about system requirements except when it comes to extremely crappy console ports. If you're a console gamer to begin with, I don't see why you'd be worrying about that anyway. Updating drivers and settings are basically all automated nowadays, and most games come with a great auto-setings detection tool. All games work with gamepads too, as long as you have Joy to key, which takes all of ten seconds to set up. If you want to complain about 10 seconds, then you're just counting crumbs at this point in time. Cost is also not really an issue. If you buy a modern PC now that outperforms consoles, it will continue to outperform consoles for the entirety of the generation, and you most certainly DO NOT have to upgrade. Not to mention games are much cheaper on the PC.VandalvideoAre you talking about custom built PC's or pre-built? Either.:| I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.
It's not a "what if." Your original premise was that the PC convention and tournament scene is larger than offline multiplayer in consoles. To prove that, you have to establish the precise population of the PC convention and tournament scene (or provide a close estimate). All you did was give attendance numbers. There is a disconnect between your premise and your conclusion, because you make several unfounded and key assumptions about convention attendance numbers, namely that raw attendance numbers directly indicate total population. But for attendance numbers to indicate total population, then the attendance numbers of different conventions MUST be mutually exclusive, of which burden of proof is on you. And if different conventions' attendance numbers are NOT mutually exclusive, then the level of overlap must first be established BEFORE being accepted as support for your argument. Additionally, the PC Gaming Alliance's claims, while likely true, are also not relevant to the discussion of the PC's social viability, firstly because the PCGA specifies "online gamers" (which is beyond the scope of my argument in the first place), and secondly because the PCGA does not break down the composition of those gamers or their preferences.All you're doing with those two numbers is providing raw numbers that have no immediate correlation with the topic we're discussing.And the online portion is again completely irrelevant, because my original post specified LOCAL multiplayer. I was never talking about the overall social impact of the PC. If you want to make that argument, do it with someone else.mjarantillaActually, you explicitly denied the fact that PC isn't any less of a social platform than consoles and constantly argued against that. Your statements are nitpicking and what ifs. I supplied data to back up my statements, my statements are factually correct and relavant. if you want to try and poke holes, please provide evidence to back up your crazy, offbeat notions.
I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.killab2oo5You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.VandalvideoYou bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.killab2oo5You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware. I could go out and buy a geforce 4mx, that doesn't make that a modern card. The fact of the matter is that you bought an EXTREMELY budget, last generation card and are trying to pass it off as remotely modern. It is NOT a remotely modern card.
I could go out and buy a geforce 4mx, that doesn't make that a modern card. The fact of the matter is that you bought an EXTREMELY budget, last generation card and are trying to pass it off as remotely modern. It is NOT a remotely modern card.Vandalvideo:| I said the card was integrated,it came with the PC. Again...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." I asked if you meant pre-built or custom...you said both. Buying a modern day PC doesn't mean your gonna have the latest and greatest hardware.I bought a MODERN PC and I can't and modern games at a playable framerate no matter what the settings are. Buying a modern day PC doesn't garauntee you the the hardware to play your game of choice.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.killab2oo5You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware.
How much did that PC cost you and what are the other specs?
"Lastest and Best"? the 8800 fell into that category 18 months ago , now its very very average, yet still maxes every game except Crysis at high resolutions and tons of AA.
You never need the latest or the best to stay in the zone of being able to run every game well, ever, its a huge misconception.
6150E I dont even consider them a purchase ... its like not even coming with a graphics card. ( not litterally. )
[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.VandalvideoYou bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".
At least you can play HL2 and CSS if you wanted, but that's really weak. Never rely on intergrated graphics cards. It's almost like buying an Xbox and complaining it won't play 360 games.
I said the card was integrated,it came with the PC. Again...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PCyou can play all modern games." I asked if you meant pre-built or custom...you said both. Buying a modern day PC doesn't mean your gonna have the latest and greatest hardware.I bought a MODERN PC and I can't and modern games at a playable framerate no matter what the settings are. Buying a modern day PC doesn't garauntee you the the hardware to play your game of choice.killab2oo5And that is most certainly not a relatively modern PC. You bought a PC with hardware that came out one year PRIOR to the 360 and you expect it to run all the modern games? Thats laughable.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Talk about EXTREMELY outdated arguements. As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games. heck, Crysis, the most technollogically advanced game currently ont he market, runs on last generation hardware for crying out loud. You don't really have to worry about system requirements except when it comes to extremely crappy console ports. If you're a console gamer to begin with, I don't see why you'd be worrying about that anyway. Updating drivers and settings are basically all automated nowadays, and most games come with a great auto-setings detection tool. All games work with gamepads too, as long as you have Joy to key, which takes all of ten seconds to set up. If you want to complain about 10 seconds, then you're just counting crumbs at this point in time. Cost is also not really an issue. If you buy a modern PC now that outperforms consoles, it will continue to outperform consoles for the entirety of the generation, and you most certainly DO NOT have to upgrade. Not to mention games are much cheaper on the PC.killab2oo5Are you talking about custom built PC's or pre-built? Either.:| I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.
How much was that?
You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.Meu2k7
How much did that PC cost you and what are the other specs?
"Lastest and Best"? the 8800 fell into that category 18 months ago , now its very very average, yet still maxes every game except Crysis at high resolutions and tons of AA.
You never need the latest or the best to stay in the zone of being able to run every game well, ever, its a huge misconception.
6150E I dont even consider them a purchase ... its like not even coming with a graphics card. ( not litterally. )
Read my above post...I didn't buy it seperately (I wouldn't take one for free)...it came with my PC. Vandal said if you have buy a modern pre-built PC that you will be able to run all modern day games...that's not true. Just because your PC is modern doesn't mean it will be capable of running modern day games on it...not all PC's are made for gaming. My PC is meant to be a media center (and it is a great one). It's modern but that doesn't mean it can play anything I want it too.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.VandalvideoYou bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".
That's the thing. With PC's you have to know what you are buying. With consoles, you don't have to know a damn thing. You can go to walmart and buy any one of the major consoles and you know for sure that every single game made for that console will work perfectly on it.
You cannot, however, go buy any random PC and expect every single game made for PCs to work on it.
And please tell me that a $400 computer will run Crisis. I'm not talking about dropping $400 to upgrade your current PC, I'm talking about buy a new PC straight up.
Read my above post...I didn't buy it seperately (I wouldn't take one for free)...it came with my PC. Vandal said if you have buy a modern pre-built PC that you will be able to run all modern day games...that's not true. Just because your PC is modern doesn't mean it will be capable of running modern day games on it...not all PC's are made for gaming. My PC is meant to be a media center (and it is a great one). It's modern but that doesn't mean it can play anything I want it too.killab2oo5Like I said, that is NOT a relatively modern PC. I could go buy a prebuilt with a Geforce 4mx. That doesn't make it any more modern.
How much was that?LTomlinson21e_e Ehhh with tax I think around $750?$800?I would've built my owns but my parents aren't very up to date with the PC stuff and they think that just opening your PC=instant death.
[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]You bought an EXTREMELY budget card and you want to complain about it not runnings all the modern games? That card isn't even all that much better than a 5700le, which is DECIDELY last generation. You can't consider a 6150 "remotely modern".No...you said "As long as you have an even remotely modern PC you can play all modern games." My PC is only a few months old so yes,it is modern. Just because you buy a "modern" PC doesn't mean your gonna get the latest and best hardware.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I got my PC a few months ago and it has a integrated 6150se 128mb in it...not all computers come with fancy integrated 7800s+ so you wont be able to run the latest games even at low settings well.killab2oo5
How much did that PC cost you and what are the other specs?
"Lastest and Best"? the 8800 fell into that category 18 months ago , now its very very average, yet still maxes every game except Crysis at high resolutions and tons of AA.
You never need the latest or the best to stay in the zone of being able to run every game well, ever, its a huge misconception.
6150E I dont even consider them a purchase ... its like not even coming with a graphics card. ( not litterally. )
Read my above post...I didn't buy it seperately (I wouldn't take one for free)...it came with my PC. Vandal said if you have buy a modern pre-built PC that you will be able to run all modern day games...that's not true. Just because your PC is modern doesn't mean it will be capable of running modern day games on it...not all PC's are made for gaming. My PC is meant to be a media center (and it is a great one). It's modern but that doesn't mean it can play anything I want it too.You didnt anwser the price question, I know what an intergrated graphics card is, thats fixabled anyway.
But when Vandal said modern pre-built it should be pretty obvious that he meant a machine with gaming in mind, which means its advertised with at least a 7800 ... which again is still fine for this generation except Crysis ofcourse.
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