MASS EFFECT 3- Was the ending bad enough to ruin THE ENTIRE GAME?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the Catalyst reminds me of the Architect in the Matrix sequels. It was stupid then, and not only is it stupid now but it is also unoriginal. Those matrix sequels were bad movies too so I don't get why video games are copying them. Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed 2, probably the next Dead Space too.texasgoldrush

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

dreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong The Catalyst is in itself a plot twist....the MacGuffin turns out to really be the main antagonist. Face it, he does NOT come out of nowhere. He is set up to be the missing piece, the twist is that he was actually the architech of the Reapers. Nevermind that there is NO evidence of any retconning. How is ME2 retconned? BS....it was all a plan to get TIM Reaper tech as well as revealing the desire for the Reapers to target humans for growing more Reapers...WHICH THEY ARE SHOWN TO BE DOING ON EARTH. Nevermind that Shepard and Anderson specifically describe the Citadel on Earth like the Collector Base. Really, there is no proof that Soverign is wrong as well, in fact the very fact that the Reapers can destroy the Crucible AFTER Shepard talks with the Catalyst proves that Reapers do act undependantly, as Soverign said in ME1.texasgoldrush

:lol: Texas and Dreman99 disagree this should be good....

But is there any proof it's him or if anything he says is true?dreman999

Could our entire existence just be the prologue to Mass Effect?!

:lol: Texas and Dreman99 disagree this should be good....

musalala

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the Catalyst reminds me of the Architect in the Matrix sequels. It was stupid then, and not only is it stupid now but it is also unoriginal. Those matrix sequels were bad movies too so I don't get why video games are copying them. Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed 2, probably the next Dead Space too.texasgoldrush

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

Peredith

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong The Catalyst is in itself a plot twist....the MacGuffin turns out to really be the main antagonist. Face it, he does NOT come out of nowhere. He is set up to be the missing piece, the twist is that he was actually the architech of the Reapers. Nevermind that there is NO evidence of any retconning. How is ME2 retconned? BS....it was all a plan to get The Illusive Man Reaper tech as well as revealing the desire for the Reapers to target humans for growing more Reapers...WHICH THEY ARE SHOWN TO BE DOING ON EARTH. Nevermind that Shepard and Anderson specifically describe the Citadel on Earth like the Collector Base. Really, there is no proof that Soverign is wrong as well, in fact the very fact that the Reapers can destroy the Crucible AFTER Shepard talks with the Catalyst proves that Reapers do act undependantly, as Soverign said in ME1.musalala

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

He's a Deus Ex Machina. The ending has not one, but TWO Deus Ex Machinas (The Catalyst and The Crucible).

I'm still wondering why his "Solution" stopped working. :?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

Peredith

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong The Catalyst is in itself a plot twist....the MacGuffin turns out to really be the main antagonist. Face it, he does NOT come out of nowhere. He is set up to be the missing piece, the twist is that he was actually the architech of the Reapers. Nevermind that there is NO evidence of any retconning. How is ME2 retconned? BS....it was all a plan to get The Illusive Man Reaper tech as well as revealing the desire for the Reapers to target humans for growing more Reapers...WHICH THEY ARE SHOWN TO BE DOING ON EARTH. Nevermind that Shepard and Anderson specifically describe the Citadel on Earth like the Collector Base. Really, there is no proof that Soverign is wrong as well, in fact the very fact that the Reapers can destroy the Crucible AFTER Shepard talks with the Catalyst proves that Reapers do act undependantly, as Soverign said in ME1.musalala

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

[QUOTE="musalala"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

Peredith

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

He's a Deus Ex Machina. The ending has not one, but TWO Deus Ex Machinas (The Catalyst and The Crucible).

I'm still wondering why his "Solution" stopped working. :?

[QUOTE="musalala"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

dreman999

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

Peredith

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the Catalyst reminds me of the Architect in the Matrix sequels. It was stupid then, and not only is it stupid now but it is also unoriginal. Those matrix sequels were bad movies too so I don't get why video games are copying them. Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed 2, probably the next Dead Space too.dreman999

The Catalyst is nothing like the Architect. The Architect makes senses, and drops some epic bombshell twists which turn the entire story on it's head.

The Catalyst retconns both Mass Effect 1 and 2s main plot for a nonsensical twist with no foreshadowing, making Sovereign sound like a clueless moron, all in 14 lines of dialog.

The Starchild is bad fiction partially because you HAVE to believe everything it says. Have you ever heard of the the mantra of good fiction: "show, don't tell"? Well, the Starchild is an example of "tell, don't show." The writers are telling us what is true and we are supposed to just accept it. Don't you hear the voice of the author in the Starchild, weighing down the story with unwanted authority? The Starchild feels extremely artificial and out of place. Bad, bad fiction. Turn your brain off listen to the way it is. If you're doubting what the Starchild is saying even for a second then you are missing the point. Honestly I think you hate him so much that you want to discredit him, but that's just not what is happening. That's like saying Jar Jar Binks didn't really happen. Sorry to tell you, but Jar Jar is canon and so is everything Starchild said.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="musalala"]

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

texasgoldrush

He's a Deus Ex Machina. The ending has not one, but TWO Deus Ex Machinas (The Catalyst and The Crucible).

I'm still wondering why his "Solution" stopped working. :?

WRONG

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="musalala"]

Not to mention he has god like powers as he has the ability through synthesis to rewrite trillions upon trillions of complex and diverse organic lifeforms and combine them with all synthetic lifeforms by sending out a magical green beam

The catalyst is basically God, but apparently a simple virus that disabled and sabotoged the keepers is enough to render him useless.

texasgoldrush

its still really bad deux ex machina mutherf****y and really really bad story telling so the CRUCIBLE has godlike powers then, capable of transforming trillions upon trillions of complex diverse organic lifeforms (asari, batarians, turians humans, volus etc) merging them with equally complex sythetic lifeforms in the blink of an eye by sending out a magical green beam? My God Bioware you story telling prowess leaves me in awe.

Pacman"s ending makes more since than this nonsense.

c'mon guys we all know texas is full of bs, but hes gonna keep spamming nonsense so, i don't see why you guys even bother, this thread will be alive until every single person has gotten bored and he has no one else to spam.

hes like BELIVE ME GUYS!!!!! plx

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong The Catalyst is in itself a plot twist....the MacGuffin turns out to really be the main antagonist. Face it, he does NOT come out of nowhere. He is set up to be the missing piece, the twist is that he was actually the architech of the Reapers. Nevermind that there is NO evidence of any retconning. How is ME2 retconned? BS....it was all a plan to get The Illusive Man Reaper tech as well as revealing the desire for the Reapers to target humans for growing more Reapers...WHICH THEY ARE SHOWN TO BE DOING ON EARTH. Nevermind that Shepard and Anderson specifically describe the Citadel on Earth like the Collector Base. Really, there is no proof that Soverign is wrong as well, in fact the very fact that the Reapers can destroy the Crucible AFTER Shepard talks with the Catalyst proves that Reapers do act undependantly, as Soverign said in ME1.dreman999

Dude.... the Catalyst controls the Reapers and created the Citadel. Why did the Reapers need Saren to open the relay? :? Whats the point of the Keepers if the Catalyst exists? :?

And Mass Effect 2s Collector Arc was foreshadowing the Dark Energy twist. The Catalyst retcons it with the TS twist. :?

Iamgine, that there are a trilogy of novels, each the size of..say...one part of a Lord of the Rings book. Each of these are giant choose your own adeveture stories, and you have begun reading these in 2007. You read, make all of these choices, and get invested in the charecters you meet and how YOUR story is. The next one comes out...you find your start that matches where you left off from one, and continue...finally, you make it to the third..all of the choices you have made, the entire reason thses novels are so big so they can contain each possible story choice leads to hear. There are literally thousand of variables at play that can affect the outcome, you read to the bottom of the page and see that your final choice is only between three decisions.

• Turn to pg___for the red eanding
• turn to pg___ for the green ending
  
• Turn to Pg___ for the blue ending
  

Then you rad each ending, all of these wrtten horribly choppy compared to the rest of the entire novels, wheich were so gracefully done, they are short, and leads many questions unaswered, whats worse each choice is erriely similar. It is hard to believe that a trilogy that prideded itself on choice, bottleneks the ending between the green, the red , and the blue ending. All of which are similar, choppy, and poorly done. As well as leaving many loose ends.