Mass Effect Barely fits one disk!!

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#101 XaosII
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So it fits but i mean it might be extending the truth just look at obilvionStarFoxCOM

Oblivion is a very small game data wise. Oblivion is the worst example you can use for a "big" game.

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#102 Paktahn
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[QUOTE="StarFoxCOM"]So it fits but i mean it might be extending the truth just look at obilvionXaosII

Oblivion is a very small game data wise. Oblivion is the worst example you can use for a "big" game.

It's got many hours of gameplay and lots of content. More than any PS3 game I have seen so far and if past Bioware games are anything to go by Mass Effect will too.

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#103 AvIdGaMeR444
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what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...ps3gen

They are right about Blu-Ray...Imagine a game as big as Mass Effect or even bigger in 1080p.  It would need multiple discs if on regular DVD and not Blu-Ray.  I bet Rock Star is having a very, very tough time compressing GTA IV to fit on DVD for Xbox 360.

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#104 XaosII
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="StarFoxCOM"]So it fits but i mean it might be extending the truth just look at obilvionPaktahn

Oblivion is a very small game data wise. Oblivion is the worst example you can use for a "big" game.

It's got many hours of gameplay and lots of content. More than any PS3 game I have seen so far and if past Bioware games are anything to go by Mass Effect will too.

But it constantly reuses assets.

Gears of War is about 10 times shorter of a game but probably takes up more space due to its variety. Oblivion ends up using the same models and graphics over and oer cutting down on alot of disc space. Space flight sims from even 5 or 6 years ago have a universe 10 times bigger than oblivion with more content...They'll probably fit in one or two CD's.

Theres aboslutely no correlation between disk space usage and game length. The only thing you can divulge is how often a game keeps reusing the same textures and models. Mass Effect, for such a long game, will probably end up using the same space ships and textures over and over and over to death.

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#105 tomertr
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awsome big game
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#106 CarlosPontinas
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Blue Ray is not necessary.

DVD9 is fine. Three disks = 26GB. They're cheaper to make than one BRdisk and the data on them have better access speeds.

This is win win situation for producer and consumer.

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#107 vistamanV5
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...AvIdGaMeR444

They are right about Blu-Ray...Imagine a game as big as Mass Effect or even bigger in 1080p. It would need multiple discs if on regular DVD and not Blu-Ray. I bet Rock Star is having a very, very tough time compressing GTA IV to fit on DVD for Xbox 360.

20 dollars, GTA4 will look identical on both platforms, and same exact content, but the 360 version will have better load times...
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#108 kcpp2b
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...MickeyTheNinja
I don't care...i'm playing a game for 25-30 hours then i need to change a disk. I'm like 4 feet from my 360. OH NOES! I need to get up and take 2 steps.



I agree except the only problem will be for Sandbox games like GTA. If it's a huge country you can explore it will be pretty crappy to have to switch discs back and forth if a mission requires you to go from cities that are on opposite ends of the disc map line so to speak if you get what I'm saying...

I mean will these devs make it with that in mind for the 360 so missions will work around that?
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...AvIdGaMeR444

They are right about Blu-Ray...Imagine a game as big as Mass Effect or even bigger in 1080p.  It would need multiple discs if on regular DVD and not Blu-Ray.  I bet Rock Star is having a very, very tough time compressing GTA IV to fit on DVD for Xbox 360.

Again, where is your proof Mass Effect is not running in 1080p?

Besides, as stated many times before in this thread, Mass Effect running in 1080p isn't going to take up any more space than the same game running in 720p. It's a just a change resolution. All the game does extra is tell the hardware to push the extra pixels needed to be considered 1080p. There is virtually no difference otherwise. The only difference is in FMV's and cutscenes. Those are the only things that are different when it comes to size, and since Mass Effect isn't loaded with a ton of CG cutscenes and the like, this is a non issue.

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#110 renger6002
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what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...ps3gen
um... this is good. From what I've heard, most games will not come close to being as big as Mass Effect. That means if mass effect fits on one disk, so will most other games
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#111 kingsfan_0333
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[QUOTE="Prid3r"]If a game like mass effect ,which is supposed to be one of the biggest game of this gen ( Galactic scale ) , I think that clearly prove , Blu-ray isn't needed in gaming AT ALL .ps3gen


.didnt they say that if it goes on one disk ..its goin to be a really short single player game..

Ya because the xbox 360 can't handle long games!

cough OBLIVION cough

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#112 azrealhk
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Blue Ray is not necessary.

DVD9 is fine. Three disks = 26GB. They're cheaper to make than one BRdisk and the data on them have better access speeds.

This is win win situation for producer and consumer.

CarlosPontinas

Wrong.

With three disks, increased developer cost.

1 In developing compression

2 To decide where to put what data on which disk to reduce disk swapping

3 Increase time in testing to make sure all the data in each disk is enough to run at various stages of the game.

It was probably cheaper for the developer to try to fit Mass Effect into one disk than to have multiple disks. It would be even cheaper if they did not have to develop compression, or decide what to include in the game and what not to.


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#113 -Reggaeton-
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Optimizing data = taking stuff away.
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#114 CwlHeddwyn
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meh i remember when cows were 110% convinced that Oblivion for X360 would take up 4 disks!
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#115 Matt747uk
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TBH though I'd prefer an AAA on 2 discs to an AA on one disc
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...Magical_Zebra
Exactly where and when is Sony using these high capacity disks? Longer load times is sooo last gen... :shock:

if you count the cartridge era...they aren't.
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LMFOA core owners TLHBO

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#118 Hewkii
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It's got many hours of gameplay and lots of content.

Paktahn
so does Final Fantasy III.
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#119 darklord888
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/

So? It fits from optimizing the data. Something that sony won't/can't do.
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[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/



But it fits....nuff said. :shock:



lol i know,i guess the cow/sheep needs to find some fault with the 360,even though he's moaning about something that doesn't even exist.
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/



But it fits....nuff said. :shock:



lol i know,i guess the cow/sheep needs to find some fault with the 360,even though he's moaning about something that doesn't even exist.

Bu bu but, Teh dvd9 is almost at teh maximum capacity. And even tho teh M$ is maximizing teh disks, it is still teh sux because it not teh bloooooo r8y!111
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#122 eddy_of_york
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I'd still rather not pay the extra for a blu ray player in my console.
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#123 HuusAsking
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Again, where is your proof Mass Effect is not running in 1080p?

Besides, as stated many times before in this thread, Mass Effect running in 1080p isn't going to take up any more space than the same game running in 720p. It's a just a change resolution. All the game does extra is tell the hardware to push the extra pixels needed to be considered 1080p. There is virtually no difference otherwise. The only difference is in FMV's and cutscenes. Those are the only things that are different when it comes to size, and since Mass Effect isn't loaded with a ton of CG cutscenes and the like, this is a non issue.

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What the cows are trying to point out is that the same texture that looks crisp at 720p starts to get blurry at 1080p. The only way to counter this is to use a higher-resolution texture, and that means taking up more space both on the disc and in memory (note that it's the memory limitation that's preventing UT3 from looking its best on the consoles--this from Tim Sweeney, IIRC).

As for disc capacity, the days of DVD's passing will come when we see a nonlinear game with no movie clips in it that absolutely must have more than 9GB of data even with compression and full optimization. AFAIK, that day has yet to come, and with only 512MB memory in both consoles (and the scene has to fit in the memory), I don't think it'll happen this generation.

PS. Just because an asset is larger on the disc doesn't mean it's better. For one thing, since optical media is so slow compared to hard disks, they take longer to load. Secondly, the extra memory they take up means less free memory for other things.
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#124 Nedemis
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seeing how Oblivion only took one disk as well, I'm not too worried about the future of the 360. It seems as though MS offers excellent compression tools to developers, unlike Sony whose only option for developers is to put several copies of certain areas on different parts of the disc. For the PS3, BluRay is needed. Can't say the same for the 360 though. Seems as though developers know what their doing with the hardware when games like Oblivion and Mass Effect can fit on a single DVD. :)
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#125 mwa
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it fits so i see no problem

besides, RE4 was on more than one disc, did that ruin the game for sheep?

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#126 Supafly1
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what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...ps3gen
Lol? Paying +$200 for a bigger disc or choosing multiple discs? I choose multiple discs any day. The price for the game won't change, so why should we care.
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Oh no!!! What would this world come to if they had to fit a game on two discs?
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#128 Citizen_Zero
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720p>>>>1080p for this gen of consoles, you can just do allot more graphical effect in 720p at a higher frame rate then in 1080p also it's just a stupid rez to shoot for. You also need a 60"+ TV to tell any difference between 720p and 1080p.
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#129 Acenso
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And how is it bad for me to get up and switch a disc?
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#130 kingsfan_0333
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...Supafly1
Lol? Paying +$200 for a bigger disc or choosing multiple discs? I choose multiple discs any day. The price for the game won't change, so why should we care.

Agreed.

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#131 KingTuttle
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Mass Effect isn't on PS3 - that leaves a lot of room on the BluRay disc. 
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Man, Sont fanboys are so ignorant that it actually irritates me.
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#133 Puckhog04
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Define "Just barely"...

That could really be anything. It could be that there's still 3/10, 4/10, 1/10, or 2/10 of the room on the DVD left.

It fits though. That's really all that matters.

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#134 xxThyLordxx
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lol. lemmings have been partially owned.

this gives room for speculation that Mass Effect 2 will be multiple discs.
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#135 Puckhog04
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lol. lemmings have been partially owned.

this gives room for speculation that Mass Effect 2 will be multiple discs.
xxThyLordxx

Owned by speculation? Wow, that's a new one.

That's really grasping though...

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#136 mtradr43
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to put it in a different standpoint, resistance took up,what,like 22 GB or something? Look how crappy it looks and plays compared to tons of games.
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#137 billing
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lol. lemmings have been partially owned.

this gives room for speculation that Mass Effect 2 will be multiple discs.
xxThyLordxx

You understand the disk compression has NOT reached it's full potential, right?

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#138 Ontain
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Wouldn't have fit if it were in 1080Pps3gen

And how exactly do you know it's not?



because it barely fit into one disk..even without 1080p..

1080p is a resolution. this directly effects performance not size.
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#139 KingTuttle
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What the hell use is the extra space on the disc if you don't have anything to put on them? 
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#140 adman66
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good to see some non-lazy devs out there
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#141 adman66
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good to see some non-lazy devs out there
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#142 mtradr43
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good to see some non-lazy devs out thereadman66
yes, bioware is a hell of a talented group of a people, i have no doubt that mass effect is going to be one of the best games this year. Add this alongside halo 3 and a few others,and it adds up to a nice 07
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#143 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="adman66"]good to see some non-lazy devs out theremtradr43
yes, bioware is a hell of a talented group of a people, i have no doubt that mass effect is going to be one of the best games this year. Add this alongside halo 3 and a few others,and it adds up to a nice 07

Agreed !
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#144 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/

Buddy, if MASS EFFECT fits on one disc, ANYTHING can fit on one disc. It's likely that you won't see a larger, more sprawling game than Mass Effect until KotOR 3 or Mass Effect 2.
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#145 Puckhog04
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/
mjarantilla
Buddy, if MASS EFFECT fits on one disc, ANYTHING can fit on one disc. It's likely that you won't see a larger, more sprawling game than Mass Effect until KotOR 3 or Mass Effect 2.

Considering the size of Mass Effect, i agree with that statement. :)

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#146 osan0
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itl be interesting to see how big the game actually is. if were talking KOTR size then the benefits of extra storage argument is essentially dead. kotr was huge. however if its short like jade empire then the question will remain imho. however i have noticed that some PC games are going above the 9gb mark, namely MED2 total war and flight sim. however med 2 has an absolute ton of FMV in it and these are PC games which are developed very differently from console games. also to say that ME 2 will be biger than ME1 in terms of GB isnt a gurantee. colin mcrae 4 was bigger than 5 and yet 5 looked better and had more content.
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#147 billing
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="adman66"]good to see some non-lazy devs out thereSecretPolice
yes, bioware is a hell of a talented group of a people, i have no doubt that mass effect is going to be one of the best games this year. Add this alongside halo 3 and a few others,and it adds up to a nice 07

Agreed !

Oh yes!

Looks like a clean sweep for the 360 in '07

GotY goes to

1st - Mass Effect

2nd - Halo 3

3rd - BioShock

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#148 KodiakGTS
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[QUOTE="osan0"]itl be interesting to see how big the game actually is. if were talking KOTR size then the benefits of extra storage argument is essentially dead. kotr was huge. however if its short like jade empire then the question will remain imho. however i have noticed that some PC games are going above the 9gb mark, namely MED2 total war and flight sim. however med 2 has an absolute ton of FMV in it and these are PC games which are developed very differently from console games. also to say that ME 2 will be biger than ME1 in terms of GB isnt a gurantee. colin mcrae 4 was bigger than 5 and yet 5 looked better and had more content.

Nah, Mass Effect is many times larger than KOTOR. If I remember correctly, KOTOR had less than 10 planets/stations you could visit in the game (I'm not sure on the exact number). Mass Effect has been said to contain over 100 planets/stations :).
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#149 billing
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This just in!

Mass Effect is a HUGE game that fits in one DVD.

I think this bash thread has turned into self-ownd.

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#150 SuperVegeta518
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And I doubt we'll see to many games bigger than Mass Effect, so it's true, Bl-ray is not needed.