Mass Effect Barely fits one disk!!

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#151 Telekill
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That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|
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#152 mjarantilla
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That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|Telekill
It was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.
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#153 Telekill
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[QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|mjarantilla
It was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.

Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.
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#154 Nedemis
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|Telekill
It was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.

Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.

Resident Evil Remake can be finished in around 2-3 hours. :| let's not forget that GCN disc could only hold 1.5GB of data per disc. With the compression tools available for developers with the 360, Capcom could put all the RE games on one disc no problem. Swapping disc will only be an issue with games that have over 40 hours of gameplay in them......that's not a huge issue for me and it shouldn't be for anyone else that isn't uber lazy.
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/
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But it fits....nuff said.  :shock:

Exactly, Mass Effect is a huge game with tons of voice acting and great graphics. If that fits in one Disc then I don't see a real need to go to a higher format this gen. I mean most games don't have a need for it.

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#156 trasherhead
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probably cut some of the story out... ANyway if it was going to be a longer game and story with biger overall gameworld it wouldn't fit.
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#157 Puckhog04
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|Telekill
It was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.

Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.

Only 1 game on the 360 is on multiple discs (Blue Dragon). You wouldn't need to worry.

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#158 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|Telekill
It was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.

Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.

Those aren't days-long games.
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/



But it fits....nuff said. :shock:



yeah barely fit..how about games like unreal and gta? we already know epics is downgradin unreal so that the 360 and ps3 can be the same..im so piss off the 360 is holdin the ps3 games down...i wonder how many disk will gta comes with the 360..

im also pissed also. i am getting the pc version because i didnt wanted to be limited if i buy the 360 version. now pc version is being down graded because of the 360 version. oh well i might as well buy it for the 360 now.
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The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/
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Big deal (sarcasm). So (in the future) gamers may have to switch the disk once during the entire 40 hour play period. We have been doing this since the NES days anyway. You have to get up to switch games (errr disks) don't you........ ?

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#161 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]

yeah barely fit..how about games like unreal and gta? we already know epics is downgradin unreal so that the 360 and ps3 can be the same..im so piss off the 360 is holdin the ps3 games down...i wonder how many disk will gta comes with the 360..
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im also pissed also. i am getting the pc version because i didnt wanted to be limited if i buy the 360 version. now pc version is being down graded because of the 360 version. oh well i might as well buy it for the 360 now.

You are out of your mind if you think a developer would remove "qualities" from a game they are making for the PC just so it's on par with what the 360 version is. And what exactly do you think it's being downgraded from? What "grade" was it previously set to?
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#162 grovestreet12
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So what if it "Barely" Fits on one disk? IT FITS! Thats the main thing...
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#163 RBlair21088
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As far as I'm concerned this is complete cow ownage. A massive game with 25+ fully fleshed out planets and actual voices for every single character fits on one DvD. This is the single biggest game for any console for the forseable future and it fits on a DvD. Why do you need the blu-ray again cows?
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BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|
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#165 mjarantilla
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BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|thirstychainsaw
That made me :lol:
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#166 lightningbugx
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Ah the problems of switching discs.  I remember one game that required switching discs, Riven.  But that was long ago in the dark ages of the CD.

If the game is huge that it barely fits on one disc without pre-recorded video scenes with the graphics callabrated to 720p resolution, then the game is either too big or no conservative usage of data.  But hey, WoW takes up 6.5GB on my harddrive.

Now someone said that audio took up a lot of space.  Thanks for the laugh.
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Ah the problems of switching discs. I remember one game that required switching discs, Riven. But that was long ago in the dark ages of the CD.

If the game is huge that it barely fits on one disc without pre-recorded video scenes with the graphics callabrated to 720p resolution, then the game is either too big or no conservative usage of data. But hey, WoW takes up 6.5GB on my harddrive.

Now someone said that audio took up a lot of space. Thanks for the laugh.
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Depends on what you're compressing. Speech, fortunately, is compression friendly, since it can be recorded mono, compressed aggressively (that's how GSM works, just as an example) and 3D-positioned using the sound chip.
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#168 tranhgiang
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Barely fits on one disk :lol:

You will never know what they left out to make it fits.:roll:
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BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|thirstychainsaw


They would put more stuff into it but it seem like it barely fits in one disk...limiting your games just so it can fit into one disk..lol...they said "lets just stop right there we cant go any further..this is bioware we dont do two disk"..lol..
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#170 project343
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what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...ps3gen
... And according to Sony, so is rumble. The bottom line is that the game looks fantastic, it has a lengthy singleplayer, full VO, and over 100 locations to visit. I call that impressive.
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen


They would put more stuff into it but it seem like it barely fits in one disk...limiting your games just so it can fit into one disk..lol...they said "lets just stop right there we can go any further..this is bioware we dont do two disk"..lol..

... right. that's what they said. :|
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#172 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen


They would put more stuff into it but it seem like it barely fits in one disk...limiting your games just so it can fit into one disk..lol...they said "lets just stop right there we cant go any further..this is bioware we dont do two disk"..lol..

Or maybe they said, "Well, that's it. We spent our entire budget. Cool, it still fits on one disc. Let's release it." :roll:
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#173 ps3gen
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...project343
... And according to Sony, so is rumble. The bottom line is that the game looks fantastic, it has a lengthy singleplayer, full VO, and over 100 locations to visit. I call that impressive.



yes i want rumble back.damn you sony!!!.but im talkin about mulitple disk..i rather not deal with it...but hey if you guys can handle it fine by me..
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#174 project343
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yes i want rumble back.damn you sony!!!.but im talkin about mulitple disk..i rather not deal with it...but hey if you guys can handle it fine by me..ps3gen
I recently got to 'The Island' on Resident Evil 4 and swapping the disk was agonizing, and I never want to do it again. I think I'll buy a PS3 to avoid such an issue, despite the fact that I'd be swapping through dozens of disks in search of something good to play; therefore, you're right, disk swapping is last-gen. I'm sorry if I went overboard there, but I simply cannot stand the disk swapping argument.
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|mjarantilla


They would put more stuff into it but it seem like it barely fits in one disk...limiting your games just so it can fit into one disk..lol...they said "lets just stop right there we cant go any further..this is bioware we dont do two disk"..lol..

Or maybe they said, "Well, that's it. We spent our entire budget. Cool, it still fits on one disc. Let's release it." :roll:

As I recall, that's what happened to Oblivion. Its repetition was not a function of disc space (since it only used just over half the DVD) but money (they ran out of money to pay the artists).
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there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-ray
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there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19
Or HD-DVD... or something better. 
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there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

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#180 shishkabob_6
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Id rather swap disks then pay $200
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#181 klabut
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Why is two disk such a big deal?
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#182 billing
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Why is two disk such a big deal?klabut

It seems to only be a problem for Heffers that won't be playing this game.

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#183 Paktahn
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Why is two disk such a big deal?klabut

Because multi-discs ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...

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At least 360 makes use of the space, the game din't have to be altered to fit on did it???? what about PC games i.e Stalker 10 gig and Crysis (Dont know the gigs) they still fit onto a DVD and the xbox 360 still manages to actually have decent games.
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[QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?Paktahn

Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 or others... :cry:



exactly the game will be much better if it wasnt on so many disk..ruin my gamin experience!!
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#186 Paktahn
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[QUOTE="Paktahn"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?ps3gen

Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...



exactly the game will be much better if it wasnt on so many disk..ruin my gamin experience!!

I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era. 

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#187 ps3gen
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[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="Paktahn"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?Paktahn

Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...



exactly the game will be much better if it wasnt on so many disk..ruin my gamin experience!!

I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era.



i know..but i was serious to..i lost the 2nd disk to mgs ..anyone got the 2nd disk? im willin to buy it..
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#188 Paktahn
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[QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="Paktahn"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?ps3gen

Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...



exactly the game will be much better if it wasnt on so many disk..ruin my gamin experience!!

I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era.



i know..but i was serious to..i lost the 2nd disk to mgs ..anyone got the 2nd disk? im willin to buy it..

I will trade it if you have an unscratched and readable 4th disc for Wing Commander 3 on PC lol Ok I get your point.

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#189 bender007
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:

"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen


They would put more stuff into it but it seem like it barely fits in one disk...limiting your games just so it can fit into one disk..lol...they said "lets just stop right there we cant go any further..this is bioware we dont do two disk"..lol..

whos they state the name first than use they "Bioware said, they can make it fit on one disk" not "They said, they can make it fit on one disk"
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#190 Zulgaines
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People beating around the bush here, as usual.

There will be games this gen that require more space than one 360 disc can hold, Blue Dragon being one. Thus, blu-ray will be more effective and also cut down on the overall amount of discs you need to take care of and keep track of- even if it's only by a little.

Not that I care or consider this a good enough reason to buy the PS3 but it's true.
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#191 toxicmog
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When a PC games fills 25gb of my HDD i will break to the HD format is needed for games ;) Untill that day, i dont care :P Half life 2 is nothing on my PC and that game is just awesome :D 4.5 gigs. Including Steam, the original HL and counterstrike ;) WoW, is 10gig...but that includes the expansion ;) So its two games not one. Come back in like 8 years Sony. When we will need it.
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#192 HuusAsking
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People beating around the bush here, as usual.

There will be games this gen that require more space than one 360 disc can hold, Blue Dragon being one. Thus, blu-ray will be more effective and also cut down on the overall amount of discs you need to take care of and keep track of- even if it's only by a little.

Not that I care or consider this a good enough reason to buy the PS3 but it's true.
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Blue Dragon is 3 discs only because it contains extensive amounts of CGI footage. It's the same reason some PS2 JRPGs are the only two-disc PS2 games.
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Cool...
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#194 liljon546
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lol, is this all that cows talk about? Let's say that a game did require 2 discs, BIG DEAL!! 
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raybilling

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.

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#196 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.

IIRC. there aren't any load times in Gears except for the one when you first start a game up. The game loads on the fly because it's so linear, just like God of War. Bad comparison.
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#197 billing
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.

Gears of War takes about 10 secs.

Ok, so you wait twice as long on your loads.

I have not yet to have to change a disk on a game.

Sucks for you doesnt it?

I might have to change a disk on a very few of my games in the future,

but I really feel sorry for you, having to wait twice as long on your load on all of your games.

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#198 Darth_Stalin
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="billing"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raybilling

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.

Gears of War takes about 10 secs.

Ok, so you wait twice as long on your loads.

I have not yet to have to change a disk on a game.

Sucks for you doesnt it?

I might have to change a disk on a very few of my games in the future,

but I really feel sorry for you, having to wait twice as long on your load on all of your games.

Or install about 1-5GB's on their HDD....
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#199 eboles1977
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I know a lot of gamers are out of shape but come on man is changing a disk really all that hard.  Did anybody here not finish FFVII becasue they had to change the disk? 

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#200 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raymjarantilla

But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.

So really., its NOT a solution.

I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.

"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.

IIRC. there aren't any load times in Gears except for the one when you first start a game up. The game loads on the fly because it's so linear, just like God of War. Bad comparison.

Oops, guess I screwed up on that one! Really, I don't know what to say! I thought I was on to something there. Never mind! I'm just going to go stand over here in the corner. "stupid, stupid, stupid!"