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That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|TelekillIt was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters.
[QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|mjarantillaIt was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters. Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|TelekillIt was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters. Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game. Resident Evil Remake can be finished in around 2-3 hours. :| let's not forget that GCN disc could only hold 1.5GB of data per disc. With the compression tools available for developers with the 360, Capcom could put all the RE games on one disc no problem. Swapping disc will only be an issue with games that have over 40 hours of gameplay in them......that's not a huge issue for me and it shouldn't be for anyone else that isn't uber lazy.
[QUOTE="ps3gen"]The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/
Magical_Zebra
Exactly, Mass Effect is a huge game with tons of voice acting and great graphics. If that fits in one Disc then I don't see a real need to go to a higher format this gen. I mean most games don't have a need for it.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|TelekillIt was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters. Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game.
Only 1 game on the 360 is on multiple discs (Blue Dragon). You wouldn't need to worry.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Telekill"]That wouldn't be an issue if M$ had put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 for use with games. :|TelekillIt was never an issue at all. Only the most non-sensical of cows would make disc swapping anything more than the most minor of inconveniences. Honestly, in a days-long game, taking a few seconds to change the disc hardly matters. Over the last couple weeks I ended up replaying Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero for the Gamecube. When it came time to switch the discs, I did find it took away from the experience. It's all a matter of opinion, but to me, it took away from the game. Those aren't days-long games.
The limits of DVD storage capacity are being tested, but will not be maxed out by Mass Effect. During a Q&A update, project director Casey Hudson confirmed that Mass Effect "is a monstrous game. In fact, there was a time -- not too long ago -- when we pretty much scoffed at the idea of fitting onto one disc. But, there's an art to optimizing the data that goes on a disc"; Mass Effect will fit onto a single disc -- "but just barely."
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/27/mass-effect-to-fit-snugly-onto-one-disc/
ps3gen
Big deal (sarcasm). So (in the future) gamers may have to switch the disk once during the entire 40 hour play period. We have been doing this since the NES days anyway. You have to get up to switch games (errr disks) don't you........ ?
[QUOTE="ps3gen"]im also pissed also. i am getting the pc version because i didnt wanted to be limited if i buy the 360 version. now pc version is being down graded because of the 360 version. oh well i might as well buy it for the 360 now. You are out of your mind if you think a developer would remove "qualities" from a game they are making for the PC just so it's on par with what the 360 version is. And what exactly do you think it's being downgraded from? What "grade" was it previously set to?
yeah barely fit..how about games like unreal and gta? we already know epics is downgradin unreal so that the 360 and ps3 can be the same..im so piss off the 360 is holdin the ps3 games down...i wonder how many disk will gta comes with the 360..
alfy13
BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:That made me :lol:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|thirstychainsaw
Ah the problems of switching discs. I remember one game that required switching discs, Riven. But that was long ago in the dark ages of the CD.Depends on what you're compressing. Speech, fortunately, is compression friendly, since it can be recorded mono, compressed aggressively (that's how GSM works, just as an example) and 3D-positioned using the sound chip.
If the game is huge that it barely fits on one disc without pre-recorded video scenes with the graphics callabrated to 720p resolution, then the game is either too big or no conservative usage of data. But hey, WoW takes up 6.5GB on my harddrive.
Now someone said that audio took up a lot of space. Thanks for the laugh.
lightningbugx
BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|thirstychainsaw
what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...ps3gen... And according to Sony, so is rumble. The bottom line is that the game looks fantastic, it has a lengthy singleplayer, full VO, and over 100 locations to visit. I call that impressive.
[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen
[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen
[QUOTE="ps3gen"]what you guys think? maybe Sony was right about Blue-ray..i know lemming goin to say i dont care about havin 2 disk..but havin mulitple disk is so last gen..lol...project343... And according to Sony, so is rumble. The bottom line is that the game looks fantastic, it has a lengthy singleplayer, full VO, and over 100 locations to visit. I call that impressive.
yes i want rumble back.damn you sony!!!.but im talkin about mulitple disk..i rather not deal with it...but hey if you guys can handle it fine by me..ps3genI recently got to 'The Island' on Resident Evil 4 and swapping the disk was agonizing, and I never want to do it again. I think I'll buy a PS3 to avoid such an issue, despite the fact that I'd be swapping through dozens of disks in search of something good to play; therefore, you're right, disk swapping is last-gen. I'm sorry if I went overboard there, but I simply cannot stand the disk swapping argument.
[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|mjarantilla
there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19Or HD-DVD... or something better.Â
there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
[QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?ps3gen
Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2Â and others...
I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era.Â
[QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?Paktahn
Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...
I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era.
[QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="ps3gen"][QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="klabut"]Why is two disk such a big deal?ps3gen
Because multi-dics ruined MGS, FF 7-9, Resident Evil 2 and others...
I wasn't being serious. Those games were some of the best released during the PSX era.
I will trade it if you have an unscratched and readable 4th disc for Wing Commander 3 on PC lol Ok I get your point.
[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]BioWare isn't going to sit down and say:
"well we compressed it to the point where it will all fit on one disc...lets keep going..." :|ps3gen
People beating around the bush here, as usual.Blue Dragon is 3 discs only because it contains extensive amounts of CGI footage. It's the same reason some PS2 JRPGs are the only two-disc PS2 games.
There will be games this gen that require more space than one 360 disc can hold, Blue Dragon being one. Thus, blu-ray will be more effective and also cut down on the overall amount of discs you need to take care of and keep track of- even if it's only by a little.
Not that I care or consider this a good enough reason to buy the PS3 but it's true.
Zulgaines
[QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raybilling
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.
[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.
IIRC. there aren't any load times in Gears except for the one when you first start a game up. The game loads on the fly because it's so linear, just like God of War. Bad comparison.[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-rayMordred19
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.
Gears of War takes about 10 secs.
Ok, so you wait twice as long on your loads.
I have not yet to have to change a disk on a game.
Sucks for you doesnt it?
I might have to change a disk on a very few of my games in the future,
but I really feel sorry for you, having to wait twice as long on your load on all of your games.
[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raybilling
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.
Gears of War takes about 10 secs.
Ok, so you wait twice as long on your loads.
I have not yet to have to change a disk on a game.
Sucks for you doesnt it?
I might have to change a disk on a very few of my games in the future,
but I really feel sorry for you, having to wait twice as long on your load on all of your games.
Or install about 1-5GB's on their HDD....I know a lot of gamers are out of shape but come on man is changing a disk really all that hard. Did anybody here not finish FFVII becasue they had to change the disk?Â
[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]there are going to be bigger and better games than mass effect eventually, it is a part of progress, so they need to have a disc that can accomodate the creativity and vision of the developers with no sacrifice. that solution is blue-raymjarantilla
But then you'll have a problem with horrendeous load time from Blu-Ray.
So really., its NOT a solution.
I'd rather play a very few of my games with 3 disk, then having shiity load times on all my games.
"horrendous load time" eh? FYI I timed the loading of the single player levels of Resistance: FOM and they average at 20 seconds, give or take half a second. If you want to prove the superiority of the 360's DVD drive, go load up Gears of War single player right now and have a stopwatch with you when you do. It might be faster, I don't know, I haven't measured it yet, but I know it is not that much faster. If you will dispute this, go get some hard evidence of your own. I'll be waiting.
IIRC. there aren't any load times in Gears except for the one when you first start a game up. The game loads on the fly because it's so linear, just like God of War. Bad comparison.Oops, guess I screwed up on that one! Really, I don't know what to say! I thought I was on to something there. Never mind! I'm just going to go stand over here in the corner. "stupid, stupid, stupid!"
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