Metroid Prime 3 --- possible signs of AA and not AAA

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#1 AvIdGaMeR444
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Taken from Gamespot preview

1. "The addition of voice acting--and lots of it--also seems fine, but we doubt we'll get a chance to hear Samus herself speak."

Ok, doesn't seem negative does it? Read between the lines. Remember the Twilight Princess review? One of the "negatives" about TP (according to Jeff G.) was that it didn't have full voice acting. Now, it sounds like Gamespot is predicting "with a little disappointment" that Samus herself won't speak. :roll: Also, the word "fine" doesn't sit well with me. How is the other audio?

2. "Using the default control scheme, you can freely move the reticle around the screen in this manner, but to turn, you must move your sights all the way to the edge of the screen. This occasionally made for some inconsistent turning. There are other control schemes available however, which allow you to adjust how turning is handled. It's also alleviated by the lock-on system. As long as an enemy is close enough--and in your field of vision--you can hold Z to lock on to it, which makes it easier to focus on your target without worrying about keeping it in view"

This is what worries me some. This game has been tweaked to death and even IGN has said that it rivals FPS PC controls. Then I read this...

Seriously, WTF? Also, Gamespot makes it sound like it is somewhat a pain in the ass to focus on a target and keep it in your field without holding Z to lock onto it.

3. "The first level ended with a boss fight we'd seen before."

Sounds just like another statement right? No negativity in that right? I think it is an indirect slam though. Here's why. Gamespot has gotten REALLY NITPICKY about originality. I don't know if Metroid Prime 3 can get away with boss fights against some of the same creatures as before. The game might get docked some just for that. Remember people, this is Gamespot and they are harsh.

Then there is IGN who in their podcast says that other sites will give this game AA.

Also, I've always gotten the feeling that Gamespot just doesn't like the Wii. The most excitement I've ever seen from a Wii review was from Greg Kasavin reviewing Trauma Center...and he's gone now.

Take all this into account, and I predict an 8.0-8.5.I will admit ownage if I'm wrong. I'm not bashing the Wii again or anything like that. I'm looking atpossible legitimate reasons why this game may not get AAA.

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#2 -Wheels-
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Ok...
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#3 ShmenonPie
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I agree, AA games are the ones that are still very good, they just have more issues than AAA games.
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#4 DivergeUnify
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I agree, but Gamespot didn't seem to try out the other control schemes. What a time-worthy preview when you make a complain about something that can be changed.
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#5 nintendofreak_2
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I already thought MP3 was getting AA.
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#6 springz300
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The only way this game has "improved" is with motion controls and voice acting.


and The controls are subjective anyway.
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#7 enduin
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#2 is the only legitimate one they can complain about, but even then they have to take into consideration all 3 sensitivity settings.
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#8 asdasd
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This is gona be Zelda:TP all over again... I think I wont be on system wars when the review is up lol.
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#9 darth-pyschosis
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If they give it the TP treatment with a 8.8 or like Super Paper Mario it'll get a 9.0 coz of the new scoring system.
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#10 Apathetic-Irony
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This is gona be Zelda:TP all over again... I think I wont be on system wars when the review is up lol.asdasd

What was wrong with TP?

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#11 hiho24
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Gamespot gave it an AA rating.

Gamespot also seems to be the least enthused about the Wii.

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#12 Eponique
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When are they going to review it?
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#13 GundamGuy0
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Well maybe a harse Preview = AAA, when a great preview = AA...

I mean TP had a great preview... and so did SPM... and they got AA.

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#14 enduin
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When are they going to review it?Eponique

Probably 12:01PST Monday like IGN, since their is supposedly an embargo on reviews till then.

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#15 nintendofreak_2
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If they give it the TP treatment with a 8.8 or like Super Paper Mario it'll get a 9.0 coz of the new scoring system.darth-pyschosis
The new rating system isn't the old one rounded up.
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#16 JPOBS
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its gonna get 8.5'd
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#17 goodlay
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I'll be shocked if it gets AAA.
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#18 asdasd
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[QUOTE="asdasd"]This is gona be Zelda:TP all over again... I think I wont be on system wars when the review is up lol.Apathetic-Irony

What was wrong with TP?

8.8.

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3. "The first level ended with a boss fight we'd seen before."

Sounds just like another statement right? No negativity in that right? I think it is an indirect slam though. Here's why. Gamespot has gotten REALLY NITPICKY about originality. I don't know if Metroid Prime 3 can get away with boss fights against some of the same creatures as before. The game might get docked some just for that. Remember people, this is Gamespot and they are harsh.

AvIdGaMeR444

Maybe they're refering to a previous hands-on preview of the game that they had? I'm not sure though.

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#20 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

3. "The first level ended with a boss fight we'd seen before."

Sounds just like another statement right? No negativity in that right? I think it is an indirect slam though. Here's why. Gamespot has gotten REALLY NITPICKY about originality. I don't know if Metroid Prime 3 can get away with boss fights against some of the same creatures as before. The game might get docked some just for that. Remember people, this is Gamespot and they are harsh.

berga52

Maybe they're refering to a previous hands-on preview of the game that they had? I'm not sure though.

Yes, they were.
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#21 BigGimp77
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IGN said review will vary from "8.8-10" if you listen to thier Wii-k in review podcast. Thier review is dropping Sunday at midnight. Im guessing between 9.3-9.6. And I dont think your points are valid. 1. One person doesn't have voice acting big whoop. 2. They only played on one sensitivity setting. Go listen the the Wii-k In review podcast when they talk about how AWESOME the controls are. Because unlike gamespots preview they played on the better setting. 3. I doubt that will effect the review rating much.
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#22 Michael85
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The only thing I got from the review is that GS is completely unaware of the advanced control setup. They're playing through it using the beginner controls, which are basically worse than Red Steel.

Ignorant journalists FTL.

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#23 enduin
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Do we know who is reviewing the game? Brad did review MP2, and Jeff just did Bioshock so I doubt he'll pull double duty, but has anything been said on the reviewer?
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#24 Vampyronight
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Well, I'll agree that GS seems to be cracking down on games that aren't really adding anything by now, but it's by no means certain to flop. Honestly, I don't have a lot of faith in GS scores for major franchise games and think they rate them too high most of the time. I know some are quick to point out Zelda:TP, and perhaps things are finally starting to change, but I'm not convinced that this game isn't going to get a 9 or higher simply because it's Metroid. If it had been Generic Shooter #5, then yeah, I could easily see the game not getting AAA.
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IGN said review will vary from "8.8-10" if you listen to thier Wii-k in review podcast. Thier review is dropping Sunday at midnight. Im guessing between 9.3-9.6. And I dont think your points are valid. 1. One person doesn't have voice acting big whoop. 2. They only played on one sensitivity setting. Go listen the the Wii-k In review podcast when they talk about how AWESOME the controls are. Because unlike gamespots preview they played on the better setting. 3. I doubt that will effect the review rating much.BigGimp77

Just a small point about number 2 on your list- CheapyD from CAG has called out IGN over those control remarks, saying that the controls aren't nearly as good as IGN says.

I'm not saying that means MP3 has terrible controls, just that there are people who have played the game that don't think it works nearly as well.

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#26 samusarmada
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i was hyping it at 8.5 anyway...

1. im sure most of us our relieved that samus doesnt speak anyway. Most should find this positive.

2. different control settings.

3. what boss was it. hive mecha?

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GameSpot is lazy about this stuff, plain and simple. Their Wii coverage has so far been nothing but atrocious, and it's nobody's fault but their own. This is not a claim of anti-Wii bias, this is me simply saying that something is up their ass and making them not give a damn about anything that's Wii related. Just read the preview, then compare it to the IGN preview. It's not even about the negativity, it's about the lethargy and the bland, vague ideas that they don't even expand upon. If we gamers just went by what we read from GameSpot, we'd never know about any the new features they've added. I've already outlined all this and made direct comparisons in my latest GameSpot blog.

It makes me sick. But for the record, GameSpot does not value originality. If it did, Halo 3 wouldn't have its own freaking launch center while the third game in a series that is rated the #3 game of all time on Game Rankings (which is half a dozen places higher than Halo 1; Metroid Prime 1) gets a one-page preview from a guy who sounds like he never even played the game.

There's no excuse for it.

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I think it'll get AAA
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#29 TrueReligion_
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When are they going to review it?Eponique

After everyone else reviews it. They'll also give it the lowest score out of all the major websites for something trivial.

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#30 SpaceDragonMan
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Yeah this is gonna be TP all over again. I predict Sheep account suicides and Jeff will once again receive death threats:P. Kinda sad dont you think.

But whats even sadder is that none of sheep have played it, so how can they pass judgement on the GS' review? So basically, in their (warped) mind regardless if they played it or not its already an AAA, and GS would be wrong and "ignorant" or "unprofessional" if they give it anything that differs from their view...

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#31 enduin
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[QUOTE="BigGimp77"]IGN said review will vary from "8.8-10" if you listen to thier Wii-k in review podcast. Thier review is dropping Sunday at midnight. Im guessing between 9.3-9.6. And I dont think your points are valid. 1. One person doesn't have voice acting big whoop. 2. They only played on one sensitivity setting. Go listen the the Wii-k In review podcast when they talk about how AWESOME the controls are. Because unlike gamespots preview they played on the better setting. 3. I doubt that will effect the review rating much.Vampyronight

Just a small point about number 2 on your list- CheapyD from CAG has called out IGN over those control remarks, saying that the controls aren't nearly as good as IGN says.

I'm not saying that means MP3 has terrible controls, just that there are people who have played the game that don't think it works nearly as well.

Im not saying Matt is completely right, but how does what CheapyD say have more weight or truth to it than Matt's remarks? I mean he wrote about two paragraphs basically only to say "Matts wrong" for no real reason or explanation as to why Matt is wrong. It was basically the great System Wars mantra of My Opinion>Your Opinion.
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Tetris DS Preview: The Sky Is Falling! We give the latest handheld Tetris a run for its money and remember why this is still one of the most entertaining games ever made.
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#33 samusarmada
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Yeah this is gonna be TP all over again. I predict Sheep account suicides and Jeff will once again receive death threats:P. Kinda sad dont you think.

SpaceDragonMan

I bet jeff wont even review it, and sheep will still say its jeffs fault :P

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#34 BigGimp77
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Too be honest I've been more Pro-IGN, Anti-Gamespot for a a couple months. IGN always seems to have extra stuff like editorials and they're always faster on thier reviews/previews. They also have set-system people doing thier reviews and stuff. So they have people that generally LOVE the Wii, are reviewing the Wii games. Not someone who kinda likes the Wii reviewing important games.

Also the new review system for Gamespot is horrible. And they've been off on a couple big reviews the past couple months. I mean consensus has Bioshock around a 9.7 (97%) and gamespot only gave it a 9 . They just seem to wanna be nit picky.

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#35 bulletmath
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if it deserves AA it will get AA
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#36 OGTiago
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I am guessing they used the crap settings, advanced FWT!
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Tetris DS Preview: The Sky Is Falling! We give the latest handheld Tetris a run for its money and remember why this is still one of the most entertaining games ever made.yodariquo

Was that the entire preview?

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#38 Eponique
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if it deserves AA it will get AAbulletmath

But if it deserves AAA, then it will still get AA :|

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GameSpot is lazy about this stuff, plain and simple. Their Wii coverage has so far been nothing but atrocious, and it's nobody's fault but their own. This is not a claim of anti-Wii bias, this is me simply saying that something is up their ass and making them not give a damn about anything that's Wii related. Just read the preview, then compare it to the IGN preview. It's not even about the negativity, it's about the lethargy and the bland, vague ideas that they don't even expand upon. If we gamers just went by what we read from GameSpot, we'd never know about any the new features they've added. I've already outlined all this and made direct comparisons in my latest GameSpot blog.

It makes me sick. But for the record, GameSpot does not value originality. If it did, Halo 3 wouldn't have its own freaking launch center while the third game in a series that is rated the #3 game of all time on Game Rankings (which is half a dozen places higher than Halo 1; Metroid Prime 1) gets a one-page preview from a guy who sounds like he never even played the game.

There's no excuse for it.

CaptainDingo

IGN has always written previews with entusiasm, and GS never has. I don't like GS's new reviews, but their previews have always been like that. They give you a boring desription of what the game plays like, but they don't let you know if it's any good or not.

In short, GS's previews have always sucked.

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#40 funnymario
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AA
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[QUOTE="bulletmath"]if it deserves AA it will get AAEponique

But if it deserves AAA, then it will still get AA :|

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#42 bulletmath
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But if it deserves AAA, then it will still get AA :|

Eponique

No , the first game is rated more highly than Halo on here. It is regarded as one of the defining moments of last gen. If this game is simply a good (but not great) game it will get AA

I have heard about some issues that could stop this game from being a classic. if they are serious enough it'll rightly stop this game from being AAA

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#43 funnymario
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[QUOTE="bulletmath"]if it deserves AA it will get AAEponique

But if it deserves AAA, then it will still get AA :|

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it'll be TP all over again if it gets AA here but gets AAA almost everywhere else.
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GameSpot is lazy about this stuff, plain and simple. Their Wii coverage has so far been nothing but atrocious, and it's nobody's fault but their own. This is not a claim of anti-Wii bias, this is me simply saying that something is up their ass and making them not give a damn about anything that's Wii related. Just read the preview, then compare it to the IGN preview. It's not even about the negativity, it's about the lethargy and the bland, vague ideas that they don't even expand upon. If we gamers just went by what we read from GameSpot, we'd never know about any the new features they've added. I've already outlined all this and made direct comparisons in my latest GameSpot blog.

It makes me sick. But for the record, GameSpot does not value originality. If it did, Halo 3 wouldn't have its own freaking launch center while the third game in a series that is rated the #3 game of all time on Game Rankings (which is half a dozen places higher than Halo 1; Metroid Prime 1) gets a one-page preview from a guy who sounds like he never even played the game.

There's no excuse for it.

CaptainDingo
Just the way I wanted to put it.
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#47 manningbowl135
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I don't care what it gets on GS. It'll be a very good AAA on gamerankings. I gurantee it.
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#48 MoldOnHold
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I don't think Jeff will review this one, he just got off Bioshock.
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#49 Michael85
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The general consensus is that the advanced controls feel very good for Metroid Prime 3, and many agree that it's better than dual analog. Gamespot's preview alluded to them using the beginner control method, even though the rest of the industry is convinced that advanced is the only way to play this game.

Conclusion: GS doesn't know what the hell they're doing. They're lost without Greg, and Jeff is stealing all of the donuts in the staff room.

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#50 peaceful_anger
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I really hope MP3 receives AAA here, but I won't be holding my breath.

I tend to agree with ign more when it comes to reviews though, and I personally think their reviews are better well written overall. They just seem to go into much more detail to justify their scores when reviewing a game which I like. Many of gamespots reviews are pathetic, extemely short, and sometimes look like they could have been written by a fifth grader.

But I do love gamespot for its forums though.