Metroid Prime: Federation Force | Hype Thread | 5/10 Federation Flop

@iandizion713: I would have bought devils third if it had an offline multi option actually. I heard it was its strongest feature. Would have loved to play this with friends and bots.

7 means good here, not average.

I avoid anything that averages 7 or lower at MC usually. 7 ish would be wait for a price drop. Below 7 is wait for clearance/super super cheap psn flash sale. It varies on initial asking price. $60 isn't cheap, more so when games are cutting out content to sell later. (The news about ff15 is breaking my heart)

I do have a Nintendo account that I haven't looked at more than twice this gen. I honestly think that I could not tell you what it is at this point. I'm not opposed to people liking the game by any means. It's a love it or hate it game from what I can see. I take Miiverse and eShop rating like I take Vita game ratings on PSN. With a grain of salt.

You cannot deny that the fans did not want or ask for this game. They wanted another 2.5D or true Prime game. The backlash proves that much. I honestly hope that they have a true Prime style game coming the the NX. It would push me that much closer to buy a Nintendo console again. I want to root for Nintendo. But when you ignore your fan base it makes it hard to do that. Being tone def is one of the worst things that you can be as a business. Especially in the gaming business. Gamers are fickle and won't hesitate to leave you behind if you burn them.

There is absolutely nothing strange why this is being done to the Wii U software. The Nintendo fodder has been on the shelves (or in the shelves @ Target) taking up space and collecting dust and I highly doubt the Wii U is a sales magnet for the company. What I found odd was how my local Target had the games you mentioned at the same prices yet didn't have any of the new selects line with the exception of LM2 (with the original sleeve).

@Solaryellow: You dont clearance games that would have sold during the holidays anyways. You only clearance games to make space for other games. And believe it or not, Nintendo sells very good at Target. My Target now has Nintendo selection bigger then PS4 and Xbox One. Both Microsoft and Sony had their selection reduced by a bunch for the holidays.

They did away with PS3 and Xbox 360. But its funny cause a bunch of the games are on display in remastered form.

Thats what they say, but I know what they mean ;)

Wow, 5/10 is quite embarrassing really. My Sony would NEVER put out a 5/10.

@funk21312: They would, they just never would get hated on like Nintendo does.

I see what you did there by trying to use the entire Nintendo section with a specific Sony/MS section. Next time you are in Target take a picture of the gaming section because I'd love to see a B&M store as you described it. My local Target stores have been shrinking the Nintendo section but it still has to look somewhat presentable so they end up taking those garbage clearance games (centipede, black eyed peas dancing crap, etc..,) and use them as place holders in the section where regularly (or close to it) priced games are positioned since empty spaces do not bode well for hardware. The reduced priced games you mentioned (XCX, HW, etc..,) have not sold well so what makes you think those titles will suddenly sell better this Xmas is beyond me.

@Solaryellow: Cause Target does the buy 1 get one free deal for holidays. Every year during the holidays after that sale, certain games get sold out. Yoshi, Hyrule Warrior, Bayonetta, and Xenoblade i can almost guarantee would have been wiped out, this is also Xenoblades first Holiday sales.

Of course i put them together. Nintendo owns two isles in Target. Sony has been reduced to like a weird 3/4 isle. Same as Xbox One. To be fair though, Nintendos other isle is now a merchandise isle for Amiibos, accessorizes, Pokemon and Nintendo stuff animals, Amiibo cards, Kiosks, and that weird Nintendo island i like to call it that sets in front of said isles.

But thats how our stores are now, they just recently did their new layouts for holidays coming. I think Xbox and Microsoft lost some space to PC. Our Target has a new PC section now. The whole isle is PC. Before, we only had a small half isle for PC.

Game that everyone knew was gonna be poop, turned out poop.

I'm used to Nintendo making poor games at this stage, but it's still sad to see one of the true GREAT names in gaming, Metroid, decline into garbage like this.

Oh well.

@locopatho: Nintendo didnt make this game. Third Party did. Its weird you dislike so many third party Nintendo games though, i think you have a weird fetish for them.

@iandizion713: It's a Nintendo game. Unless you want to argue stuff like Punchout and Smash Bros is third party. Which, now that I think, you probavly do.

It's not weird to dislike shitty games. Especially when it's a great franchise being polluted with garbage.

@locopatho: They are third party though, Sora is one of my favorite studios. But it is weird to play so many shatty games dont you think? Especially when you dislike Nintendo so much and dislike motion controls. But then buy games that are reviewed poorly and have motion controls. Your a weird individual.

Its like the haters we have here that complain about how shatty Wii U games are and continue to buy and play said games. They spend months shatting on the game, then shat on it when it releases, then shat on it every times its discussed. Its a weird fettish if you ask me.

Id never spend so much time invested on stuff i hated. Look at this thread, its still going and hardly any ones even played the game. How does such a niche game and other niche Nintendo games get so much attention when games that sell 10x better get no mentions, hate, or anything else for that matter.

Youd think Metroid Prime Federation Force was the most hyped game behind No Mans Sky this year by the clicks it gets. When we all know no one hyped the game.

@iandizion713:

"They are third party though" - I don't care what studio actually got contracted to make them. Nintendo franchise, Nintendo funded, Nintendo game. F Zero GX (Sega) is a Nintendo game to me.

"But then buy games" - You invented the idea that I buy these games. I don't. Which, let me guess, "proves I can't say they're shitty since I haven't played them". Lol.

"Look at this thread" - What about it? I believe this is the 2nd time I've posted in it.

"How does such a niche game and other niche Nintendo games get so much attention" - Metroid isn't niche, not amongst core gamers posting on System Wars. It is a massive franchise, one of Nintendo's founding BIG THREE since the NES days, and has produced more than one god tier game. You can dismiss it with a "whatever", Nintendo fans from back in the day won't.

"When we all know no one hyped the game." - Which is the entire point. A new Metroid should be a mindblowing experience, not elicit a "meh, it'll be crap." reaction!

that was the most fanboy thing ive ever read on this stupid site. were using retail stores to take shots at video game companies now?

Lol. You so funny.

So the games suck, but you havnt played them, you just come to blindly hate on the game you think sucks. I said look at this thread, do you see any hyping it? Its majority people who have not played it and come to shat on it just like your doing. I wasnt saying Metroid was niche, im sayng spin-offs are niche. Especially Metroid spin-offs.

A mainline Metroid yes, but a spin-off should never be held to such high standards. Never in the history of gaming have i seen a spin-off hated on this much, its embarrassing for gamers. It adds to the gamers are shat crowd thats so annoying.

@jcrame10: Dont hate cause Vita got kicked out from Target and cant hang with the big boys. And how am i taking a shot when im on the defense? You fanboys make no sense.

@iandizion713: i've played it and can confirm it is bad...

@iandizion713: Lol as I expected. If I bash games I've played, you say I'm "weird with a fetish". If I bash (obviously shit) games I haven't played, that's "not allowed". What a happy little fanboy maze you have created for me! Not.

Bottom line: Nintendo are destroying their major, previously god-tier franchises with horrible shit like this. That matters, and gamers are obviously going to talk about it.

If Sony releases The Last Of Us 2 as a crappy pachinko game, you think gamers are going to ignore that? Of course not, and "it's a spinoff!" won't be an excuse either.

Whinge harder.

@aigis: Yes we know, along with your Splatoon is a 4, Captain Toad is a 4, Star Fox Zero is a 6, and Xenoblade Chronicles X is a 6, we know, your Federation Force is a 4.

Cant wait for your next review on Paper Mario: Color Splash.

Yes, it was a trap. I was hoping youd fall for it. Brooo, Sony released Uncharted as a mobile game and fans said nothing. Nintendo releases Pokemon as a mobile game (which they had a few before it on mobile), the end is nigh!

I gave star fox a 5 and federation force a 3

can we talk about how bad Captain Toad is too

@aigis: lol, nice fix mate. I havnt played Captain Toad, so i cant speak on its greatness. But yes, i do have the game.

@iandizion713: Its not so much that its mechanically bad. Its just super easy and super short. never got stumped once and for a puzzle game to have no challenge is pretty bad imo. If you have it already it only took me about 3 hours to beat

also I just gave pokemon go a 3 if you care

@aigis: I do care for your ratings, i like using them in my defense. Ill be rating Captain Toad after im finished with Style Saavy, Dragon Quest IX, Fire Emblem Fates, and Paper Mario: Color Splash. But before Pokemon Sun/Moon i hope.

Got a lot to play before NX, im trying to finish as much of my library as i can so i can early adopt NX. Ive never really early adopted a console before.

@iandizion713: you havent played fates yet?

@aigis: Nope, and i got the rare one too.

If the software selection at a particular store is as bad (or similar) as other B&M stores, who is to blame? Lets not subscribe to any coincidence here as it falls squarely on the shoulders of Nintendo since that company is failing to meet the needs of consumers and desperate measures are instituted. Resorting to filling space with old, clearance Wii games is desperation. Nintendo would get a pass if this were a discussion on a past generational console but we are talking about the console of the here and now and how a convoluted sense of reality is being presented. Are you aware the big three have reps going to these B&M stores to deal with the display(s)?

Mesume said those games would sell with holiday sales but they have been lingering for months and in some cases, close to years on the shelves. Eventually a company decides to cut its loses. The holiday season is still months away.

@Solaryellow: Target controls what games get discounted, not Nintendo. Nintendo can only sell them discounted games, they cant force them to drop the price on stuff.

Yes, i said they will sell with holiday sales, how does them lingering have anything to do with holiday sales, the most profitable time for games? Did you know Hyrule Warriors was 68 dollars last year at Target during the holidays, Xenoblade was $59.99, Yoshi Woolly World sold very good during holidays at $59.99, and Bayonetta was $59.99 too.

But guess what we got now, they arent on the Nintendo shelf no more, they are on the clearance isle with the rest of clearance games no one buys.

But guess who does buy those clearance games when they put clearance on additional percent off? Scalpers will clean them out and sell the games on ebay.

The games will sell, but Target wont make as much money now if any at all, its stupid of them to do. Target says, well we will replace them with games that do sell. So my question is, what games are Target going to replace them with? What game on Wii U will sale better during the holidays?

Nintendo controls what is available to sell to the consumer(s).

A dead console about to be replaced with a new console and you wonder why the store is dropping prices in order to reduce dead weight? What would incentivize people to run out and buy a console and software when it is not being supported very well, hasn't been supported very well and is sure to be terminated when its predecessor is released? Nothing is the correct word to use. Look around you pal. Stores (online and B&M) are dropping the prices and for good reason. A few weeks ago Best Buy was practically giving away some of the bigger first party games from the past year like Mario Maker, Woolly World, Star Fox, etc.., Hell, Star Fox won't be opened and will sit on my shelf until the day comes when it is commanding decent money.

Woolly World sold well last year? The numbers are nothing to write home about for a well known mascot. How well do you think it sold? Could the numbers have anything to do with it being released last October? This Christmas will have it available over a year and besides this holiday season, it has been sale priced quite a few times in the past year. Hyrule Warrriors has sold poorly (a mil and a qtr) for a Zelda game. That could be why it is gathering dust if you can even find it in a physical copy. The stores that have offered these games at steep discounts do not seem eager to replenish the stock.

Edit: if your position is sound, why would any game go on sale during the year rather than waiting for Xmas?

Been playing Metroid Prime 1 this weekend. You know back when Metroid was pristine.

Actually to my knowledge most publishers/distributors control prices of games, when the publisher issues an MSRP price adjustment any store can get a partial refund on what they paid to acquire their stock depending on how much of it they have left, what the new MSRP is, and usually major stores that have discounts on prices actual get pre-approval to do the sales off of incentives or additional compensation from distributor/publisher, hence when one store has a sale the other retailers can usually price match and they get the difference directly from the distributor/publisher since they sponsored the original sale.

Nintendo might not work the same as everybody else in the industry (and pretty much the retail world in general) that does this, I know it was a big issue between Nintendo and Amazon a while back because Walmart or someone got a special deal on 3DSs from Nintendo and could sell them cheaper but Amazon wasn't allowed to reduce the price of the 3DS on their website (not sure if really just couldn't because Nintendo said so or couldn't because Nintendo wasn't offering partial refunds to retailers to drive down prices).

This probably also explains why most the prices on their games almost never drop. Though, I also think in part that's by design. I've often called Nintendo the Disney of video games not because they make kiddy, family friendly stuff, but because of their distribution strategy. They never oversaturate their own market with so much discounted stuff to keep it selling, their stuff almost always sells at an inflated price. They're also big on limited printing and telling customers "hey, you better buy it now while it lasts because it could be a while until we decide to release it again"... or they use to. Nintendo is the same way.

Well its about time journalists admit Prime games are shit.

@lamprey263: Its complicated, but no, Nintendo doesnt adjust prices for stores. Once stores buy the games, the deal is done. Its up to stores to put stuff on sale, clearance, etc. Only time is when new deals are made. For example, Nintendo Selects. Nintendo Selects are how Nintendo gets stores to drop prices. They work a deal to sell them the Selects for cheap.

Nintendo would love to drop the price on lets say, Xenoblade Chronicles X, but it dont sell good. So even if Nintendo wanted to put that game on selects, stores wouldnt care for the deal cause they would lose money on the price drop and on the new ones not selling.

Its a tricky game. Its same reason Nintendo dont drop prices on digital or do many sales too much cause it would hurt retail stores. Nintendo releases cheap games all the time, but its only on stuff that sales good in retail stores. Everything else that dont sell good, stores clearance and replace with something that does.

@Solaryellow: You didnt answer the questions mate. Also to answer yours, to make space for stuff that does sale in the Holidays. You know, what weve been debating??? Have you not been paying attention to what weve actually been debating this whole time? Your just rambling now, so i guess not.

@iandizion713: wooly world launched at 50 bucks there's no way it was 60 during holiday season

@jcrame10: I was talking about the Amiibo Bundle for $59.99. This will be Yoshi's first Christmas at the $29.99 price. Yoshi Woolly World sold really good Holiday season in America and Europe, but not so good in Japan.

Ten months out of the year is void of the major holiday season. Companies are not fond of a product languishing, basically in limbo, for such a period of time because even with Xmas those games are not guaranteed to be purchased. It costs them money to hold onto a product which doesn't sell. As I said above, a lot of those games didn't sell well or as well as Nintendo would have liked no matter what you think. There are some games (1st party Nintendo) that seem to never drop because there is a good chance they will sell. Yoshi, Hyrule Warriors, XCX, etc.., are not such games. Major price drops (both permanent and temporary) happen all the time when games have run their course, can not sell, etc.., If I had to wager, I'd say Target is also doing this because the stock is low. What better way to clear it out fast.

@Solaryellow: Yes, we know this, we have already been though this, i told you this in like the first comment, my question is, whats gonna take their place. What is gonna sell better come holiday season then Yoshi Woolly World, Hyrule Warriors, and Xenoblade Chronicles X?

@iandizion713: The defense is to point out just how little Nintendo has this holiday season?

@aigis: For Wii U yes. I want to know why Target would make such a poor decision. But i understand its not all Targets, its just my one store. I have this Target store i go to to get these crazy deals.

@iandizion713: go team

@aigis: Its a Target at the beaches in a very wealthy neighborhood. Its my secret spot. I guess thats why too, cause i have 3 other Targets and they dont do the same.

I'm pretty sure those people like pretty much anything though.

Seriously, it's jarring to see anything get below 3.5 stars on the eShop.

@DJ-Lafleur: Whats cool is it still works. My favorite games are rated higher usually on eShop then other games i liked. I find it to be pretty accurate and haters and people who havnt played it, cant vote cause the system wont allow them. Its genius.

Also the recommendations work amazingly, its easy to find games that cater to me on it because of how awesomely Nintendo has designed it. Its the best content store i have ever seen in my life.

so only fanboys can vote? What could go wrong

The staples of Nintendo is what will be pushed rather than niche titles that are not a concern. Besides those, the selects line might still be in supply. All sorts of stores are unloading their stock and not really replenishing what has been sold. From now until Christmas the competition is getting a decent amount of good games. Those will sell rather than a dead console and businesses are acutely aware of the situation. You are bitching at Target for unloading dust collectors yet don't feel the same way about Nintendo dropping prices to $19.99 on certain games or other stores offering other Nintendo games at fire sale prices?

@aigis: Thats what i mean. Only people who have played the game can vote, its genius. I rather deal with fanboy 10s, then haters dropping 1s. At least the fan paid the price. He deserves it.

Mate i have no clue what your rambling about.

Thats just as bad though, really the eshop is only fanboys. You might as well have asked Nintendo if you should buy their game or not