MGS4 360 or Not - Keep ALL Discussion Here

I hope this happens.

It'll make my 360/PS3 decision a LOT easier.

Actually, it won't even be a decision. It'll be an immediate response, executed by my checking account.

[QUOTE="Broman6015"][QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="Broman6015"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]thats a change from his prior position.lawlessx

Change? did you read the link? Kojima was not quoted in that article. He has said nothing about it infact.

let me rephrase that for you: thats a change from his publishers prior position. was it really so hard to understand what i meant? konami said downright no before and now their pr rep is saying they're looking into it.

You specifically said "HIS prior position" I had no idea Konami, the company, was a he.

he's talking about the PR from konami.

why was is that so hard to understand?

Link to this PR guys prior position?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

lantus

Serious Dreams is Serious. There hasn't been much fun to discuss 'round here. and many of the fun posters have gone. All I have is you now. :( lol. :)

on a sidenote, it really wasn't a serious reply. just pokin fun at cows.

if it does i will be very disapointed in konami if it happensblazinpuertoroc

why so? what exactly are you losing to be dissapointed?

MGS4 drops in 2009 for the 360.

MGS4 SUBSTANCE drops in 2009.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]if it does i will be very disapointed in konami if it happensDonPerian

why so? what exactly are you losing to be dissapointed?

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 SUBSTANCE drops in 2009.

Dreams-Visions

Thanks, I was gonna put MGS4:Recon drops in but that wouldn't make sense, then again Kojima sometimes doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]if it does i will be very disapointed in konami if it happensDonPerian

why so? what exactly are you losing to be dissapointed?

to be fair.

MGS4 was probably a key figure in a lot of peoples decisions... if they were torn between say, gears or MGGS and MGS goes to xbox, its pretty obvious they'll be annoyed because they could have got a 360, played gears and got mgs4 later

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 SUBSTANCE drops in 2009.

Dreams-Visions

Bear with me, but are the Substance versions simply improved and expanded ones of the originals? If so, that would really piss the cows off...

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"][QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="DireOwl"]Until Kojima or Konami officially say something along the lines of "We are currently working to port MGS4 to the Xbox 360." I see nothing to get to excited about.Xbox360_4_Me

what does it matter?

WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT

is pretty concrete, no?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

lantus

I've been reading this guy's posts lately and he's acting like a 'friendly' ReverseCyco hyping LBP to AAAA or a Bioshockowns who puts cardboard PS3 boxes over his head just to hide their Lemming innocense...

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 SUBSTANCE drops in 2009.

Dreams-Visions

oh god if it released in 2009 it would make them look huge backstabbers.

[QUOTE="Xbox360_4_Me"]

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"][QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="DireOwl"]Until Kojima or Konami officially say something along the lines of "We are currently working to port MGS4 to the Xbox 360." I see nothing to get to excited about.no_handlebars

what does it matter?

WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT

is pretty concrete, no?

who said anything about starting it?? nobody....

the thread is about THEM LOOKING INTO IT, can you not understand that?

[QUOTE="Xbox360_4_Me"]

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"][QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="DireOwl"]Until Kojima or Konami officially say something along the lines of "We are currently working to port MGS4 to the Xbox 360." I see nothing to get to excited about.no_handlebars

what does it matter?

WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT

is pretty concrete, no?

i dont think anyone has said it was in development...

It is still a rumor but having a Konami official saying they are looking into a 360 version of MGS 4 kinda gives it some credit.

What is the next big event? Maybe MS will have a 'surprise' for that (or maybe make their own)

[QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

Bazooka_4ME

I've been reading this guy's posts lately and he's acting like a 'friendly' ReverseCyco hyping LBP to AAAA or a Bioshockowns who puts cardboard PS3 boxes over his head just to hide their Lemming innocense...

[QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

Bazooka_4ME

I've been reading this guy's posts lately and he's acting like a 'friendly' ReverseCyco hyping LBP to AAAA or a Bioshockowns who puts cardboard PS3 boxes over his head just to hide their Lemming innocense...

who? lantus or DV?

[QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

Bazooka_4ME

I've been reading this guy's posts lately and he's acting like a 'friendly' ReverseCyco hyping LBP to AAAA or a Bioshockowns who puts cardboard PS3 boxes over his head just to hide their Lemming innocense...

ouch...

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"][QUOTE="Xbox360_4_Me"]

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"]That's the thing, Kojima didn't speak on the rumor. It was a Konami PR mouthpiece. Did people even click on the link?lawlessx

what does it matter?

WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT

is pretty concrete, no?

i dont think anyone has said it was in development...

My gut tells me that it's just a matter of time before a 360 version is announced. The XBox 360 install base must be tough for Konami to ignore - especially now that the 360 will most likely sell like hotcakes this holiday season due to the price drop.

Personally I won't be buying this game even if it is released on the 360 - to me FFXIII was a much better pickup. I've already tried MGS4 a few times and it doesn't interest me. I guess I'm just not a MGS fan.

IDK, sounds confirmed to me..even if they say "We are looking into it" they wouldent say that for no reason, if it was false, they probably would have just said no, or "We have no plans to make MGS4 on XX platform", this leads me to believe that this game will, sooner or later, be ported to the 360, hopefully they do a PC version and Release it on steam, That would be pure bliss.

But face it cows..its just a matter of time.

If it happens I might have to bump some of my old topics :D ownage :PSAGE_OF_FIRE

Lol same.

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"][QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

Link

Doesn't deny it, but rather says they are looking into making it.

lawlessx

I've been reading this guy's posts lately and he's acting like a 'friendly' ReverseCyco hyping LBP to AAAA or a Bioshockowns who puts cardboard PS3 boxes over his head just to hide their Lemming innocense...

ouch...

Awesome news for one of my friends. I bought him that Essentials Collection for PS2 and he ate it up and wants to play MGS4 but only has a 360. Very good news for him. :D

I could honestly care less.

If this happens, it would just prove what I've been saying all along.

The Third-Party Exclusive is DEAD.

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

That, and the game had a MANDATORY hard disc installation on PS3, spat out 7.1 surround sound audio, and ran on a proprietary online service that would obviously conflict with Xbox Live both in terms of digital distribution of content and the actual network distribution.

Let me put it this way....Konami, considering this or not (one PR rep said this, according to the quoted article in the OP, not Hideo Kojima, who has only reiterated that it was a PS3 exclusive, period), is going to immediately turn it down when they realize how cost-prohibitive putting this on....well, let's calculate how many DVDs.

Assuming it filled up a 25 gigabyte single-layered Blu Ray, which it has,

25/7= approx 3.6 DVDs or 4 DVDs

Now, assuming it's roughly 35 GB:

35/7= exactly 5 DVDs

Assuming it is anywhere near the 50 gigabyte maximum (which Ryan Payton, before release, said it JUST ABOUT was):

50/7= 7.14 or 8 DVDs....although, let's be kind and say roughly 7 DVDs

Oh, and let's not forget the repetition of crucial assets, including sound files, character models, weapon models, and other environmental details that would be filling up DVDs, causing it to probably far surpass the numbers I've given in reality.

This would be unimportant if it were up to the end user to simply switch out DVDs at their leisure, especially considering the obvious compression that would immediately take place for all the game's audio (especially considering 360's maximum output of 5.1 surround sound), but even so, considering that Carmack found 3 DVDs to be cost-prohibitive (even against a visual downgrade, a console fan's nightmare!), it is hugely unlikely they'd ship the game on anything greater than 3 DVDs. And that's being pretty generous

Asking Microsoft to not only bribe Konami (come on, you know they do it) and THEN waive their costly DVD-9 licensing fees? Now we're dreaming.

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

*snip*BobHipJames

MGS4 would come to the 360 on no more than 4 discs. If that.

they'd simply compress the sound, which accounts for much of the size of the game on blu-ray.

The most despicable thing about this possible port is that most 360 owners don't even care to play it. They just want to come to forums like these and be total jerks.nervmeister

wait are people unaware about the bunch of sony advertising in the game?? It has tons of it sony products in the game proof that sony helped konami making this game. Now that im thinking about it, i highly doubt it.blazinpuertoroc

if that were the case the PR wouldn't have said it was being considered.

and how is a ps3 controller in the game proof sony had a part in the game's developement?

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

*snip*Dreams-Visions

MGS4 would come to the 360 on no more than 4 discs. If that.

they'd simply compress the sound, which accounts for much of the size of the game on blu-ray.

Read it again. I've made an amendment. And it's this:

my simple division didn't take into account the fact that they'd have to repeat crucial assets on each DVD so that it could be accessed, unless it were stored on RAM or the hard disc. Guess which one the 360 doesn't have as a standard?

No more than 4 discs? How many discs did Carmack say was cost-prohibitive? That's right, more than 2. You fail. It's not shipping on four because my case is airtight. It's not shipping period. Get over it.

Now all MS has to do is pick a gaming convention show to announce it.

Konami to cows -

Who cares if we port it? Despite the fact that we hyped it to high heaven as THE major reason to own a PS3? WE ALREADY GOT YOUR MONEY. LOLZ. 360, CHA-CHING!

Seriously though. still not confirmed yet.

The most despicable thing about this possible port is that most 360 owners don't even care to play it. They just want to come to forums like these and be total jerks.nervmeister

:)

If I was going to buy a ps3 I'd buy it for MGS4, i think its the only seris in which I've actually completed every single game in it

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

That, and the game had a MANDATORY hard disc installation on PS3, spat out 7.1 surround sound audio, and ran on a proprietary online service that would obviously conflict with Xbox Live both in terms of digital distribution of content and the actual network distribution.

Let me put it this way....Konami, considering this or not (one PR rep said this, according to the quoted article in the OP, not Hideo Kojima, who has only reiterated that it was a PS3 exclusive, period), is going to immediately turn it down when they realize how cost-prohibitive putting this on....well, let's calculate how many DVDs.

Assuming it filled up a 25 gigabyte single-layered Blu Ray, which it has,

25/7= approx 3.6 DVDs or 4 DVDs

Now, assuming it's roughly 35 GB:

35/7= exactly 5 DVDs

Assuming it is anywhere near the 50 gigabyte maximum (which Ryan Payton, before release, said it JUST ABOUT was):

50/7= 7.14 or 8 DVDs....although, let's be kind and say roughly 7 DVDs

Oh, and let's not forget the repetition of crucial assets, including sound files, character models, weapon models, and other environmental details that would be filling up DVDs, causing it to probably far surpass the numbers I've given in reality.

This would be unimportant if it were up to the end user to simply switch out DVDs at their leisure, especially considering the obvious compression that would immediately take place for all the game's audio (especially considering 360's maximum output of 5.1 surround sound), but even so, considering that Carmack found 3 DVDs to be cost-prohibitive (even against a visual downgrade, a console fan's nightmare!), it is hugely unlikely they'd ship the game on anything greater than 3 DVDs. And that's being pretty generous

Asking Microsoft to not only bribe Konami (come on, you know they do it) and THEN waive their costly DVD-9 licensing fees? Now we're dreaming.

BobHipJames

And considering MGS4 probably cost more money to make than RAGEwill, it would be really cost-prohibitive.

And another Konami-Microsoft battle that could happen is would M$ allow Konami to run its own online system or would M$ force them to use live?

The most despicable thing about this possible port is that most 360 owners don't even care to play it. They just want to come to forums like these and be total jerks.nervmeister

360 owners or 360 fanboys?

there's a mightly big difference here

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

*snip*BobHipJames

MGS4 would come to the 360 on no more than 4 discs. If that.

they'd simply compress the sound, which accounts for much of the size of the game on blu-ray.

Read it again. I've made an amendment. And it's this:

my simple division didn't take into account the fact that they'd have to repeat crucial assets on each DVD so that it could be accessed, unless it were stored on RAM or the hard disc. Guess which one the 360 doesn't have as a standard?

No more than 4 discs? How many discs did Carmack say was cost-prohibitive? That's right, more than 2. You fail. It's not shipping on four because my case is airtight. It's not shipping period. Get over it.

bottom line: if MGS4 is coming, it'll be on 2-4 discs. max. and it won't be much of a hassle for them.

[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"]wait are people unaware about the bunch of sony advertising in the game?? It has tons of it sony products in the game proof that sony helped konami making this game. Now that im thinking about it, i highly doubt it.lawlessx

if that were the case the PR wouldn't have said it was being considered.

and how is a ps3 controller in the game proof sony had a part in the game's developement?

Also how is snake not using the dualshock, sunny using the psp and ps3, characters in the game using sony ericson phones not in game advertisining for sony products??

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

*snip*BobHipJames

MGS4 would come to the 360 on no more than 4 discs. If that.

they'd simply compress the sound, which accounts for much of the size of the game on blu-ray.

Read it again. I've made an amendment. And it's this:

my simple division didn't take into account the fact that they'd have to repeat crucial assets on each DVD so that it could be accessed, unless it were stored on RAM or the hard disc. Guess which one the 360 doesn't have as a standard?

No more than 4 discs? How many discs did Carmack say was cost-prohibitive? That's right, more than 2. You fail. It's not shipping on four because my case is airtight. It's not shipping period. Get over it.

Have you ever wondered why exactly the game "needs" Blu-Ray?

If its sound files, those can easily be down-sampled.

If its textures, those can be compressed.

It's definitely nothing else, because in terms of content, many 360/PS3 multiplats have had longer and more varied experiences than MGS4's campaign.

I just busted your case wide open... :)

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Quickly:

MGS4 on PS3 is on a dual-layer Blu Ray disc. Packed to the brim.

The Xbox 360's DVD-9, according to John Carmack, has less than 7 gigabytes of storage available to the developers to place data on. John Carmack ALSO said that shipping Rage on 3 DVDs would be cost-prohibitive...that they instead chose to ship it on 2 DVDs while sacrificing the visual fidelity of the game ONLY on the Xbox 360. Why was it so cost-prohibitive? What he said were ridiculous licensing fees that Microsoft refused to waive.

*snip*dgsag

MGS4 would come to the 360 on no more than 4 discs. If that.

they'd simply compress the sound, which accounts for much of the size of the game on blu-ray.

Read it again. I've made an amendment. And it's this:

my simple division didn't take into account the fact that they'd have to repeat crucial assets on each DVD so that it could be accessed, unless it were stored on RAM or the hard disc. Guess which one the 360 doesn't have as a standard?

No more than 4 discs? How many discs did Carmack say was cost-prohibitive? That's right, more than 2. You fail. It's not shipping on four because my case is airtight. It's not shipping period. Get over it.

Have you ever wondered why exactly the game "needs" Blu-Ray?

If its sound files, those can easily be down-sampled.

If its textures, those can be compressed.

It's definitely nothing else, because in terms of content, many 360/PS3 multiplats have had longer and more varied experiences than MGS4's campaign.

I just busted your case wide open... :)